Finansing NASA with military budget

[Lapatai]

Just imagine what we could discover if the financing between space exploration and military switched. 
What are your thoughts about what we could achieve? 
By the way, is the military spending really necessary?

[Rikafip]

Just imagine what we could discover if the financing between space exploration and military switched.  
What are your thoughts about what we could achieve?  
By the way, is the military spending really necessary?

Well, we all know what United States achieved when they funneled massive amount of money into NASA- they sent man to the Moon. At the peak, NASA budget was more than 4% of the federal budget, and currently its 0.48%.





While i agree that more money should be given to NASA, switching military and NASA budget is not good idea.Current NASA budget is 22 billion USD. With that money, United States wouldn't even be among top 10 countries by military budget, and that would have serious repercussions, so no, that wouldn't be smart move at all.





With that being said, certain percentage of military budget could be funneled to NASA, without compromising economy and safety, as it is a known fact that there are economic benefits from NASA funding..

[squatz1]

Lets be real for a second. When the US was spending large amounts of money on the space race, it was a highly popular thing to do. We were in a 'war' against the soviets and this was a RACE to who could win first.

You had public support, congressional support, military support, and so on and so forth.

People love space and all, but it's just not as popular as it used to be. And to waste 4 percent of the budget on it again at a time where no one sees the reason for that, is wasteful and unnecessary.

[Spendulus]

Lets be real for a second. When the US was spending large amounts of money on the space race, it was a highly popular thing to do. We were in a 'war' against the soviets and this was a RACE to who could win first.

You had public support, congressional support, military support, and so on and so forth.

People love space and all, but it's just not as popular as it used to be. And to waste 4 percent of the budget on it again at a time where no one sees the reason for that, is wasteful and unnecessary.

IIRC the current request is to expand the NASA budget to 0.87% to fund the return to the moon.

[squatz1]

Lets be real for a second. When the US was spending large amounts of money on the space race, it was a highly popular thing to do. We were in a 'war' against the soviets and this was a RACE to who could win first.

You had public support, congressional support, military support, and so on and so forth.

People love space and all, but it's just not as popular as it used to be. And to waste 4 percent of the budget on it again at a time where no one sees the reason for that, is wasteful and unnecessary.

IIRC the current request is to expand the NASA budget to 0.87% to fund the return to the moon.

So is that something like a double of NASA current budget to put it around 44b?

I don't really see this sort of need, but then again -- I'm not a science buff in the least, so this sort of thing doesn't truly concern me. Nor do I think it concerns many Americans.

[Spendulus]

Lets be real for a second. When the US was spending large amounts of money on the space race, it was a highly popular thing to do. We were in a 'war' against the soviets and this was a RACE to who could win first.

You had public support, congressional support, military support, and so on and so forth.

People love space and all, but it's just not as popular as it used to be. And to waste 4 percent of the budget on it again at a time where no one sees the reason for that, is wasteful and unnecessary.

IIRC the current request is to expand the NASA budget to 0.87% to fund the return to the moon.

So is that something like a double of NASA current budget to put it around 44b?

I don't really see this sort of need, but then again -- I'm not a science buff in the least, so this sort of thing doesn't truly concern me. Nor do I think it concerns many Americans.

The planned missions are the Lunar Gateway, a series of robotic lunar missions, including to the suspected ice deposits at the South Pole, the new deep space manned capsule, the manned space launch system to replace the Shuttle, and a manned mission to the Moon.

Lots of stuff there. Basically the idea is to mine oxygen and hydrogen on the lunar surface, take it to the orbiting Gateway, there it can be bought by other craft,  manned or robotic headed outwards. That would scale down the weight of launch from Earth and make it cheaper.

First step toward using materials mined on the moon instead of bringing everything up from Earth.

[vladimirhf]

Just imagine what we could discover if the financing between space exploration and military switched.  
What are your thoughts about what we could achieve?  
By the way, is the military spending really necessary?

The technology developed by NASA is also useful for the air force and some are for the civilian consumer market. Now look at that chart and imagine what US could achieve switching from weapons to health care. But unfortunately the priorities are different, and many "pro-life" dudes would kill you to keep these things as they are.

[Lapatai]

Just imagine what we could discover if the financing between space exploration and military switched.  
What are your thoughts about what we could achieve?  
By the way, is the military spending really necessary?

The technology developed by NASA is also useful to the air force and some are for the civil consumer market. Now look at that chart and imagine what US could achieve switching from weapons to health care. But unfortunately the priorities are different, and many "pro-life" dudes would kill you to keep these things as they are.

Yes, you are right, I would be killed in a day or two and it pains my heart.
War and warfare shouldn't even exist anymore, we, as humans, should set our goals not to profit or rule, but to evolve and discover area (space) around us.

[iamsheikhadil]

It would be really a nice thing to do if the purpose is reasonable.

If NASA wants to go back to moon just to prove that indeed it is capable, or just send crafts to different planets of the solar system or build a gigantic telescope to look far beyond the observable universe, I would say, no, the budget shouldn't be increased.
Because even if all these stuffs are important for progress, they are not in the immediate need for humanity as much as it needs defense and stuffs.

But, if the purpose is greater good, like to try to search for a planet where future human beings can stay safe and live, or to find hidden elements in the universe for the use of them in curing incurable diseases, or to build a colony in space or Mars/moon to grow agriculture under an artificial atmosphere, then I would surely agree to switch the budgets.
Because the future of humanity is more important than shitty wars and "strongest country" ego

[Spendulus]

It would be really a nice thing to do if the purpose is reasonable.

If NASA wants to go back to moon just to prove that indeed it is capable, or just send crafts to different planets of the solar system or build a gigantic telescope to look far beyond the observable universe, I would say, no, the budget shouldn't be increased.
Because even if all these stuffs are important for progress, they are not in the immediate need for humanity as much as it needs defense and stuffs.

But, if the purpose is greater good, like to try to search for a planet where future human beings can stay safe and live, or to find hidden elements in the universe for the use of them in curing incurable diseases, or to build a colony in space or Mars/moon to grow agriculture under an artificial atmosphere, then I would surely agree to switch the budgets.
Because the future of humanity is more important than shitty wars and "strongest country" ego

There's virtually no part of the Moon and Mars exploration goals that is not consistent with furthering colonization of the near-habitable locations of the solar system. But that may not be obvious. For example it may do more good to send 100 robot explorers than one manned crew, because the robot explorers would get data to enable to manned crew to know where to go.

[beej]

Just imagine what we could discover if the financing between space exploration and military switched. 
What are your thoughts about what we could achieve? 
By the way, is the military spending really necessary?

Undeniable proof of aliens and other worlds. A speed up process of colonizing mars.
Aren't NASA and the Military working together at some projects? both are funded
by the government, for sure there has to be something both of this agencies are
working on today.

[darkangel11]

I think it's stupid that countries are so scared of invasion that they're trying to maintain the status quo by spending more and more on the military. It's like going to the gym every day because you're scared that somebody could try to bully you at school so it's better to looked beefy and try to discourage them.
It's hard to find a worse way to spend the budget than upgrading your tanks that you aren't using anyway. If the US is so afraid of being attacked why not make stationary coastal defenses and forget about the military. Get long range missiles, more patriots, some jets and some defense satellites and you're set.

[Jet Cash]

By the way, is the military spending really necessary?

Of course it is - how else will the deep state kill loads of the world population, screw up the environment, and keep their taxpayers in debt slavery?

[coolcoinz]

By the way, is the military spending really necessary?

Of course it is - how else will the deep state kill loads of the world population, screw up the environment, and keep their taxpayers in debt slavery?

And poor brainwashed soldiers get told that they go to Iraq to liberate people, spread democracy, remove a dictator who is building nukes and threatening the world...
And there comes the truth, there was no nukes, no threats, people were free, but now there's less of them, which means less potential terrorists, right? And there's some oil, and money, and gold, and life goes on.

[josephdd1]

I have always thought something similar. If countries like the US, China and UK just redirected part of their military budget to scientific research, we would be in a much better position in 10 or 20 years. However, countries do have to maintain military superiority, so countries with less scientific concerns could easily rise to prominence if we don't have at least a sizeable budget.

[Jet Cash]

However, countries do have to maintain military superiority, so countries with less scientific concerns could easily rise to prominence if we don't have at least a sizeable budget.

Such as Germany, who became the economic power house of Europe without any military spending.
A reduction in military spending helped Russia to build its economy, but the greatest help that Russia has had in this has been US sanctions.
China didn't have much military spending whilst it built its trading dominance.
Japan was banned from having a significant military force after the last war, and their economy strengthened as a result.
The Anglophone empire is probably the richest state in the world at the moment, and they have achieved this by using the Military forces of America, The UK, France and others.

Fighting and military extravagance weakens a country, unless it can combine it with occupation and exploitation.

[Wa Da Fak]

Just imagine what we could discover if the financing between space exploration and military switched. 
What are your thoughts about what we could achieve? 
By the way, is the military spending really necessary?

Let me quote a simple sentence or a paragraph lets face the truth and ask real time questions how about instead of investing to those military budget how about an idea protecting the mother nature the earth itself and the people around middle east?? I think it would really necessary, than building weapons and having space exploration.

[Spendulus]

Just imagine what we could discover if the financing between space exploration and military switched. 
What are your thoughts about what we could achieve? 
By the way, is the military spending really necessary?

One step at a time.

First, the US Space Force...