Electrum to Electrum - transaction lost!

[bitmover]

He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!

He is sure that the Seed is correct.
He is sure that it is not bip 39.
He is sure that he transferred to the right address.
He is sure that the coins are not there.

However, I cannot be 100% sure of any of this, because if all that information was correct, the coins would be there.

So I think it is a plausible strategy to consider that one (or more) of those affirmatives is not valid. Such as:

1- the seed may be incorrect.
2 -Or it may be bip39.
3- he may have transferred to another address due to malware or misclick.

As 1 and 3 we can't help him, I think that working in 2 may be effective.

I can provide all the needed details!

Do not respond any PM. Have all discussions here, in this public topic.
Scammers will be asking for your Seed in private, or asking you to click on some phising link.
Be careful.

nc50lc; bob123,

you guys asked for the address. I posted earlier - BTC address; transaction ID; public key.

Can you start something with it?

The only thing they can do with it is to check it in a block explorer.

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/tx/3eddcdcf82569329f2a110bda01e8dd889afd6df2501638f79fb92a5631e5c6a

[bob123]

When originally creating the wallet did you extend the seed with custom words?

Has already been asked:

Or did you use an additional "25th word" a.k.a. a passphrase ?

and answered:

I didn't use any additional phrases!

you guys asked for the address. I posted earlier - BTC address; transaction ID; public key.

Unfortunately i couldn't find out anything related.
The address is completely unused except for this one transaction, which makes it quite unlikely that you were infected by some clipping board malware (still possible tho).
But as far as i know, the creator of such a malware are some retarded script kiddies who can't even iterate through a list properly. Therefore i tend to say this was not the case.

If I'm not mistaking, I recovered with the same seed that ''lost'' address once.

If this really is the case, then you still should be able to somehow access your coins.

But as bitmover pointed out, some (at least 1) of your statements must be wrong.

Could you please answer the following questions (again, just to be sure):

• Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)
• Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?
• Do your current wallets addresses (on tails) indeed start with 1.. ?
• Did you check whether you can copy a random BTC address (preferably starting with 1..) and paste it anywhere without it being tampered with (on your online machine) ?
• Your first (small) transaction is also not visible in your tails wallet, correct ?
• Did you change any options in electrum? Did you generate a multisig or 2FA wallet ?

I know that these questions are redundant, but something isn't right and we have to figure out what.

[igor72]

Have you used that wallet before?

If yes then try open the electrum console and enter:

Code:

wallet.change_gap_limit(100)

[bob123]

Have you used that wallet before?

If yes then try open the electrum console and enter:

Code:

wallet.change_gap_limit(100)

Not necessary, because he already entered:

Code:

ismine("Address)"

which returned false.


Please read the thread before making suggestions which just clutter up this thread without being useful at all.

[AndrRoos]

He says he has an electrum seed so why are you all telling him to restore as bip39? It's not a bip39 seed!

He is sure that the Seed is correct.
He is sure that it is not bip 39.
He is sure that he transferred to the right address.
He is sure that the coins are not there.

However, I cannot be 100% sure of any of this, because if all that information was correct, the coins would be there.

So I think it is a plausible strategy to consider that one (or more) of those affirmatives is not valid. Such as:

1- the seed may be incorrect.
2 -Or it may be bip39.
3- he may have transferred to another address due to malware or misclick.

As 1 and 3 we can't help him, I think that working in 2 may be effective.

I can provide all the needed details!

Do not respond any PM. Have all discussions here, in this public topic.
Scammers will be asking for your Seed in private, or asking you to click on some phising link.
Be careful.

bitmover,

thank you for the tip!


About the points:

1- the seed may be incorrect   -    I made a picture of the seed and I always wrote the same words! If I'm not wrong, wallet with the address was recovered but only once, in the beginning, when it was deleted the first time.

2 -Or it may be bip39    -    As mentioned before, I made the picture from exactly that wallet with that address!

3- he may have transferred to another address due to malware or misclick  -   I'm sending now the BTC without any problems and they getting through. So I think this one is out of question!


The issue is that the seed generated different addresses and ''the one'' is not included.

Now I have to find that particular wallet I guess! HOW?    


Guys, it has to be some solution for that!

[bitmover]

2 -Or it may be bip39    -    As mentioned before, I made the picture from exactly that wallet with that address!

-snip-

The issue is that the seed generated different addresses and ''the one'' is not included.

Now I have to find that particular wallet I guess! HOW?   


Guys, it has to be some solution for that!

AFAIK, the only possibility  here is that you somehow created a BIP39 seed with a different derivation path than the one you are using now.

So, back to derivation paths.
I would try everything if they were my coins.
 Personally, I prefer to use iancoleman BIP39 than electrum...

First of all, remove all  funds that you can from that wallet. Consider that seed exposed and do not use it ever again.


Go to https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ in your tails ultra secure computer in offline mode, insert your seed there. See how it works.
 It will generate all possible addresses on the bottom of the page. If you find your address there, just copy paste its private key to electrum and you are done.

However, do not search for your address there only using the default derivation path, as you know it won't work. You need to try different derivation paths.

Go to derivation path.
You can try the change addresses. Your transaction generated some Change of a few cents....  your coins may be in a change address. 
Set "Internal/External" to 1, so you can see the change addresses. Your address may be there.


Edit:
This 1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c was supposed to be the change address of your first transaction.
Can you find it in tails or in your windows electrum wallet using ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c )? you didn't use that address again.
This may be important. If you sent a small value of 0.00004438 to the tails wallet, and the big value as a change may have came back to your windows wallet.
Maybe your address 1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL is a change address of your original windows wallet, which sent the btc.

There may be a chance that your 2k USD never left your first wallet, in windows.
use ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c ) and ismine(1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL) in windows.

[igor72]

Have you used that wallet before?

If yes then try open the electrum console and enter:

Code:

wallet.change_gap_limit(100)

Not necessary, because he already entered:

Code:

ismine("Address)"

which returned false.


Please read the thread before making suggestions which just clutter up this thread without being useful at all.

"ismine" doesn't see any addresses out of gap limit except for the ones in the address tab.

[bob123]

There may be a chance that your 2k USD never left your first wallet, in windows.

According to OP, there were a total of 2 transactions. One small "test" transaction and the larger one to the address mentioned above.
I doubt that the funds are still in his windows wallet, especially since the wallet is connected to the network.


@OP:
Can you please check whether address 16g5D1NDe7UDpfx3gwZpV7tvwbcfTeW4Ck belongs to any of your wallets (windows, and i am especially interested in whether it belongs to your tails wallet).

[bitmover]

Code:

wallet.change_gap_limit(100)
ismine("Address)"

which returned false.
"ismine" doesn't see any addresses out of gap limit except for the ones in the address tab.

As I said, I would try everything. Try that as well in both your wallets, but with 250 gap limit and then insert ismine.
And try with all addresses suggests here

[AndrRoos]

If this really is the case, then you still should be able to somehow access your coins.

But as bitmover pointed out, some (at least 1) of your statements must be wrong.

Could you please answer the following questions (again, just to be sure):

• Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)
• Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?
• Do your current wallets addresses (on tails) indeed start with 1.. ?
• Did you check whether you can copy a random BTC address (preferably starting with 1..) and paste it anywhere without it being tampered with (on your online machine) ?
• Your first (small) transaction is also not visible in your tails wallet, correct ?
• Did you change any options in electrum? Did you generate a multisig or 2FA wallet ?

I know that these questions are redundant, but something isn't right and we have to figure out what.
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bob123,

thank you very much for such substantial explanation! The questions are not redundant and I'm glad to answer them!


1.  Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)    -    Yes, it was generated on Electrum on Tails! (I only have problem with wallet on Tail. On Windows works everything properly)

2.  Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?    -  
     1) On Tails it's already preinstalled, but old version, so you have to update manually. To do that - I downloaded the ''Appimage" for Linux on electrum.org. Where as well I found the explanation why my wallet didn't work - it was old!  
     And that's where it started instead of just updating it, the guide lines on Tails website say - to delete the wallet; to delete the wallet folder in the wallet; to do this, to do that.... All bullsh!t. In realty just to update the f*cking wallet!
     2) On Windows I downloaded the wallet as well from the website.  I didn't verify PGP signature - but I did a transfer from a BTC.com wallet to that one and I transferred it back - worked perfectly! I as well did some transactions now from Electrum (Windows) to Electrum(Tails) - works perfectly too! _____So I think fishing is out of question!_____

3.  Do your current wallets addresses (on tails) indeed start with 1.. ?    -    Yes, all of them, always, even when the wallet was recovered.

4.  Did you check whether you can copy a random BTC address (preferably starting with 1..) and paste it anywhere without it being tampered with (on your online machine) ?    -    Yes, as mentioned before I'm doing transactions without any issues!

5.  Your first (small) transaction is also not visible in your tails wallet, correct ?    -    Correct. In first place I saw it in the wallet on Tails as "pending" but then it changed to "not verified". It was the same wallet as the big transaction (if I'm not wrong), just different address. I just realized it has only 1 output address and it should be the one from my wallet which I copied and pasted! Here it is transaction ID: 888f769c2d2585d1d6f0070f11d5820c249aa895fab983ce3eda7e1a667e7308

6.  Did you change any options in electrum? Did you generate a multisig or 2FA wallet ?    -  
    1)All I changed is: Tools > Preferences  > Transactions > checked the box with ''use multiple change address" on both wallets.  On Tails as well Block explorer to .onion one.  
    2) No multisig or 2FA wallet!


So my opinion is:   there is no phishing or clipboard malware or any type of fraud! Since there was an issue with corruption - at least that's what the guide lines on Tails said, I could open the wallet at all, you know etc. - it was recommended to delete the files, reinstall and so on.  So now that missing address is in a wallet somewhere.     The question is how to get that particular wallet!    


Any suggestions?

[AndrRoos]

2 -Or it may be bip39    -    As mentioned before, I made the picture from exactly that wallet with that address!

-snip-

The issue is that the seed generated different addresses and ''the one'' is not included.

Now I have to find that particular wallet I guess! HOW?   


Guys, it has to be some solution for that!

AFAIK, the only possibility  here is that you somehow created a BIP39 seed with a different derivation path than the one you are using now.

So, back to derivation paths.
I would try everything if they were my coins.
 Personally, I prefer to use iancoleman BIP39 than electrum...

First of all, remove all  funds that you can from that wallet. Consider that seed exposed and do not use it ever again.


Go to https://iancoleman.io/bip39/ in your tails ultra secure computer in offline mode, insert your seed there. See how it works.
 It will generate all possible addresses on the bottom of the page. If you find your address there, just copy paste its private key to electrum and you are done.

However, do not search for your address there only using the default derivation path, as you know it won't work. You need to try different derivation paths.

Go to derivation path.
You can try the change addresses. Your transaction generated some Change of a few cents....  your coins may be in a change address. 
Set "Internal/External" to 1, so you can see the change addresses. Your address may be there.


Edit:
This 1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c was supposed to be the change address of your first transaction.
Can you find it in tails or in your windows electrum wallet using ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c )? you didn't use that address again.
This may be important. If you sent a small value of 0.00004438 to the tails wallet, and the big value as a change may have came back to your windows wallet.
Maybe your address 1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL is a change address of your original windows wallet, which sent the btc.

There may be a chance that your 2k USD never left your first wallet, in windows.
use ismine(1AoG3kEHzXNfZft5xCmaH1T2UtWjsVvj5c ) and ismine(1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL) in windows.

Maaaaaan,
 

that's a very useful Information!!!!


I'm gonna do it and post the result!


Thank you!

[Abdussamad]

once again there is no point in using bip39 tools or alternative derivation paths if the seed was generated in electrum. he's said it now twice. i wish you guys would move on from that.

[Abdussamad]

1.  Where did you initially generate your seed (electrum on tails?)    -    Yes, it was generated on Electrum on Tails! (I only have problem with wallet on Tail. On Windows works everything properly)

Did you restore from seed on windows and is your wallet history and balance accurate on windows?

[BitMaxz]

It seems you can't find the address under your Electrum wallet tails.
Like the other said the seed phrase might be incorrect why not use tools like seedrecovery.py of BTCrecovery
and let it find your Bitcoin address under your incorrect seed phrase?

This tool I think will help you to find the incorrect phrase of your seed here's the guide below
 
- https://github.com/gurnec/btcrecover/blob/master/docs/Seedrecover_Quick_Start_Guide.md

If this can't find your incorrect phrase under your BTCaddress you provided the BTC address is not under your seed phrase. Like I mentioned yesterday the possible reason why you can't find the address it's because you don't own the BTC address that you are trying to find under your Electrum tails. The Electrum in your windows might be infected with clipboard malware.

Why not review all of your old transaction histories if the address you use before is the same as the address you are trying to look for.

[AndrRoos]

Guys,

I absolutely forgot to tell that:
on Electrum (Tails) > Addresses > "lost" address 1LP6LQ726YJR9wkPLnHWJEfH335DDuiNtL > label - I put:   "used <current data>"    once I transfered the money from Electrum (Windows) to that address. I always do that, so that I use the address only for one time transfer.


Maybes that's the reason why it doesn't show now in the recovered wallet?!




Before all that, when I created Electrum on Tails I made a shot of all my addresses, here it is:


https://anonfile.com/097eY563n6/20190923_183206_jpg


There you see that damn address as second from the top


All the other questions I will answer in short!

[bitmover]

Maybes that's the reason why it doesn't show now in the recovered wallet?!

No.
labels are not registered in the blockchain, it is an internal label that affects only your wallet software. Probably if you reinstall your electrum, or recover it in another computer, the label will be lost, but funds will not be affected.

[khaled0111]

labels are not registered in the blockchain, it is an internal label that affects only your wallet software. Probably if you reinstall your electrum, or recover it in another computer, the label will be lost, but funds will not be affected.

If you recover your wallet from seed, labels will be lost. As bitmover said, that doesn't affect your funds and you will be able to see all your transactions.

note: You can activate the Electrum label sync plugin to save your labels on Electrum servers and recover them later (make sure to read the part about privacy implications).
You can also export labels and save them in a JSON file that can be imported later.

[Abdussamad]

Be careful about opening the links the OP shares. For some reason he won't use imgur like everyone else.

[AndrRoos]

Be careful about opening the links the OP shares. For some reason he won't use imgur like everyone else.

Abdussamad,

I just didn't know how to share a picture here. I couldn't paste picture into the post. How can you do it?

Just uploaded the picture on IGUR here it is for those who are afraid to open anonfile.com:

https://imgur.com/P5DMMS4

[Saint-loup]

2.  Where did you download electrum from? And how did you do it? Did you verify the pgp signature ?    -  
     1) On Tails it's already preinstalled, but old version, so you have to update manually. To do that - I downloaded the ''Appimage" for Linux on electrum.org. Where as well I found the explanation why my wallet didn't work - it was old!  
     And that's where it started instead of just updating it, the guide lines on Tails website say - to delete the wallet; to delete the wallet folder in the wallet; to do this, to do that.... All bullsh!t. In realty just to update the f*cking wallet!

Old version ok, but which one? Do you know the number of this version? Is it a version below 2.0?
BTW do you have the master public key of your "former" tails wallet ?
Another thing, did you try to come back to the older version and to import your seed? (you don't need to access the network for that) You still don't find your address there?