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People forget in this entire Trump-Ukraine scandal that there is a person that is being left out of all investigations relating the topic. JOE BIDEN

Joe Biden is the point man for the Obama administration on all things Ukraine. He deals with everything going in and out of the WH regarding Ukraine.

Well at the same time as this, Joe Biden son, Hunter Biden, has received a job from a Ukrainian oil company who is under the scrutiny of Ukrainian prosecutors. Hunter Biden has no history in the oil industry, though I don't think this is something to be looked at weirdly -- as picking people to be apart of your corporate board simply based on their name is something that is pretty common in corporate America. Though that's where the issue lies, picking Hunter Biden is picking someone simply because of the fact that he's a Biden and you're trying to ride off the coattails of the Biden name.

But that's exactly what happens -- a prosecutor is fired under the direct order of Joe Biden (who had also threatened to withhold foreign aid from Ukraine) that had been investigating the company that Biden had been working for.

So yeah -- the real story in my head here is the fact that at worst Biden had abused his position as the point man for foreign relations in Ukraine to directly benefit his family. And at worst, Biden had a clear conflict of interest that he failed to bring to the attention of the WH and the American people. Biden without a doubt shouldn't have been involved in these negotiations with Ukraine if he has this clear conflict of interest involving his SON.




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Don't worry, hes not off the hook yet regardless of how hard the media is trying to deflect. As far as your "at worst" scenario, I assure you it gets much MUCH worse for Biden regarding what he is responsible for. This goes way deeper than the majority of people realize.


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September 30, 2019, 12:45:16 AM
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Don't worry, hes not off the hook yet regardless of how hard the media is trying to deflect. As far as your "at worst" scenario, I assure you it gets much MUCH worse for Biden regarding what he is responsible for. This goes way deeper than the majority of people realize.

I mean this is more of what I'm pointing to.

As the media continues to talk Trump Trump Trump, they forget that the start of this whole story is Biden. Though you can see that Trump and the rest of the GOP is attempting to point him out -- and to make people look at him.

How much deeper do ya think this goes?




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Don't worry, hes not off the hook yet regardless of how hard the media is trying to deflect. As far as your "at worst" scenario, I assure you it gets much MUCH worse for Biden regarding what he is responsible for. This goes way deeper than the majority of people realize.

I mean this is more of what I'm pointing to.

As the media continues to talk Trump Trump Trump, they forget that the start of this whole story is Biden. Though you can see that Trump and the rest of the GOP is attempting to point him out -- and to make people look at him.

How much deeper do ya think this goes?

Potentially multiple former high level officials with names we all know executed for treason deep. The potentially part has more to do with being unsure of the penalty that will be imposed rather than the guilt of the involved parties, that part is well documented. As I explained before, this is going to be the greatest political scandal in US history. Because those busting up this cartel only have one shot, this information is being rolled out slowly and deliberately.

All of this info has been available to average folks for some time if they bothered to monitor the right channels. Unfortunately most people have been conditioned to ignore these resources in favor of corporate overlord regurgitated content. Too bad for them they are going to have to start reporting the truth soon or they will be joining the line to the gallows for their knowing complicity in these crimes.


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Joe and Hunter Biden's Ukraine dealings didn't warrant investigation, ex-law enforcement official says

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Ukraine’s former top law enforcement official told the Los Angeles Times he saw no reason to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden or his son Hunter, in a story published Sunday.

Yuri Lutsenko, the Ukraine ex-prosecutor general, said he told President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani they had not broken any Ukrainian laws to his knowledge. He said he would start a probe only after U.S. officials launched an investigation.

“I said, ‘Let’s put this through prosecutors, not through presidents,’” Lutsenko told The Times. “I told him I could not start an investigation just for the interests of an American official.”

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Don't worry, hes not off the hook yet regardless of how hard the media is trying to deflect. As far as your "at worst" scenario, I assure you it gets much MUCH worse for Biden regarding what he is responsible for. This goes way deeper than the majority of people realize.
What i seem to hear all the time is Trump asking the Ukranian President to investigate Biden's son company and it shows how mightily biased the media is and am not talking only about the US Media, Al Jazeera are talking non stop on this matter and it doesn't seem to abate.I know for a certain that this impeachment thing isn't going to work but i say that the Media is full of lies and half truths.

 
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Joe and Hunter Biden's Ukraine dealings didn't warrant investigation, ex-law enforcement official says

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Ukraine’s former top law enforcement official told the Los Angeles Times he saw no reason to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden or his son Hunter, in a story published Sunday.

Yuri Lutsenko, the Ukraine ex-prosecutor general, said he told President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani they had not broken any Ukrainian laws to his knowledge. He said he would start a probe only after U.S. officials launched an investigation.

“I said, ‘Let’s put this through prosecutors, not through presidents,’” Lutsenko told The Times. “I told him I could not start an investigation just for the interests of an American official.”

More info here:

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-29/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-no-wrongdoing-biden


I am just going to leave these right here...

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/yuri-lutsenko-views-from-prison-cell/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12085959
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/434875-top-ukrainian-justice-official-says-us-ambassador-gave-him-a-do-not-prosecute
https://antac.org.ua/en/publications/hero-lutsenko-and-soros-group-antac-rebuts-new-article-of-the-hill-journalist/
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/lutsenkos-luxury-vacation-seychelles-draws-criticism.html

That said, Yuri Lutsenko is clearly neck deep in this corruption at best, and a CIA cutout at worst. His word is about as good as Biden's own denials. You are a tourist Nutilduhhh. This mindless regurgitation of the first headline you see that agrees with you with zero examination clearly demonstrates not only your own need for confirmation bias, but your pathetic levels of incompetence doing your own independent research and critical thought. I am confident you didn't even bother reading the article.


Don't worry, hes not off the hook yet regardless of how hard the media is trying to deflect. As far as your "at worst" scenario, I assure you it gets much MUCH worse for Biden regarding what he is responsible for. This goes way deeper than the majority of people realize.
What i seem to hear all the time is Trump asking the Ukranian President to investigate Biden's son company and it shows how mightily biased the media is and am not talking only about the US Media, Al Jazeera are talking non stop on this matter and it doesn't seem to abate.I know for a certain that this impeachment thing isn't going to work but i say that the Media is full of lies and half truths.

It is way beyond just American media. It is about corporate establishment media. They are looking to preserve their own position of authority, and the position of power of their paymasters. Now when you are talking about paymasters who often find their opponents "committing suicide" with two bullets to the head, or "stabbing themselves" in the chest 47 times, you can see quickly how these organizations can be brought strictly into line with the international mafia's preferred narratives. Now that resistance to these criminal cartels is rising, they are now increasingly finding themselves in being in a position of being caught being knowingly complicit in these crimes and being prosecuted, and drowning "accidentally" in 3 inches of water in their own bathtubs, or other less terminal forms of having ones life destroyed.


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The point is that you can have all the information that exists, but it doesn't do any good if people won't look at it or acknowledge it.


Hundreds of Documents Conflict with Joe Biden's Account of Why Ukrainian Prosecutor Was Fired



The Hill's John Solomon is reporting that the documents — many from the American legal team that helped the company, Burisma Holdings, try to stave off its legal troubles — raise the "troubling prospect" that U.S. officials  may have "painted a false picture in Ukraine that helped "ease Burisma's legal troubles and stop prosecutors' plans to interview" Biden's son Hunter during the 2016 presidential elections.

Solomon reported that, for instance, an official Ukrainian government memo shows that Burisma's American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Biden forced the firing of the chief prosecutor and offered "an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures" about Ukrainian prosecutors.

In other words — the company that employed Biden's son apologized to the Ukrainian government after the firing of the chief prosecutor for the "U.S. representatives and public figures" actions or remarks.


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The point is that you can have all the information that exists, but it doesn't do any good if people won't look at it or acknowledge it.


Hundreds of Documents Conflict with Joe Biden's Account of Why Ukrainian Prosecutor Was Fired



The Hill's John Solomon is reporting that the documents — many from the American legal team that helped the company, Burisma Holdings, try to stave off its legal troubles — raise the "troubling prospect" that U.S. officials  may have "painted a false picture in Ukraine that helped "ease Burisma's legal troubles and stop prosecutors' plans to interview" Biden's son Hunter during the 2016 presidential elections.

Solomon reported that, for instance, an official Ukrainian government memo shows that Burisma's American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Biden forced the firing of the chief prosecutor and offered "an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures" about Ukrainian prosecutors.

In other words — the company that employed Biden's son apologized to the Ukrainian government after the firing of the chief prosecutor for the "U.S. representatives and public figures" actions or remarks.


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TL;DR from Burisma Holdings. "We are so very sorry we made you look bad, now put this leash on and get on your knees bitch." This kind of hubris is often the downfall of such corrupt arrogant psychopaths. They can't resist professing their crimes to the world in order to wallow in their self satisfaction and further send a message to the world that they think they can't be touched.


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Based on what? Do you even understand why he was arrested? The first two articles you linked posit him as the victim of a politically-motivated imprisonment. The third article paints Lutsenko as being independent-minded and no fan of Ambassador Yovanovitch (the one Trump said was "bad news"). The fourth article isn't even about Lutsenko - it serves to counter a story published by The Hill which they claim got a lot of facts wrong. Again, it says nothing bad about Lutsenko. The fifth article you posted details how he took an expensive vacation one time. Big-fucking-whoop.

By all accounts Lutsenko should be your kind of guy: anti-corruption, willing to stand up for what is right for his country -- but since he said something that counters your desperate narrative, he must be "neck deep in corruption." But I'm sure you know more about the inner-workings of Ukrainian politics than the politicians themselves... Roll Eyes

You are a tourist Nutilduhhh. This mindless regurgitation of the first headline you see that agrees with you with zero examination clearly demonstrates not only your own need for confirmation bias, but your pathetic levels of incompetence doing your own independent research and critical thought.

It would appear that you just grabbed a random selection of articles from a Google News search that had the word "Lutsenko" and something potentially unfavorable in them. My article on the other hand directly addresses OP's concerns. I thought it would be of interest to him, but of course knew for you it would only be fodder to attack my character. I posted it anyway because I don't give 2 shits about what you think of my character. An impartial observer can separate the message from the messenger.

I am confident you didn't even bother reading the article.

No I didn't I just blindly copy pasted an excerpt from it with my eyes closed. What an utterly stupid thing to say. Of course I read the article you homunculus.

What it comes down to is this: Trump is about to get impeached and you are steaming mad. You've basically become unhinged in your efforts to deflect the whole situation back on Biden. This will have the exact opposite effect you are intending: democrats will rally around him more than ever now that he is in the firing line of rightwing conspiratards.

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Based on what? Do you even understand why he was arrested? The first two articles you linked posit him as the victim of a politically-motivated imprisonment. The third article paints Lutsenko as being independent-minded and no fan of Ambassador Yovanovitch (the one Trump said was "bad news"). The fourth article isn't even about Lutsenko - it serves to counter a story published by The Hill which they claim got a lot of facts wrong. Again, it says nothing bad about Lutsenko. The fifth article you posted details how he took an expensive vacation one time. Big-fucking-whoop.

By all accounts Lutsenko should be your kind of guy: anti-corruption, willing to stand up for what is right for his country -- but since he said something that counters your desperate narrative, he must be "neck deep in corruption." But I'm sure you know more about the inner-workings of Ukrainian politics than the politicians themselves... Roll Eyes

You are a tourist Nutilduhhh. This mindless regurgitation of the first headline you see that agrees with you with zero examination clearly demonstrates not only your own need for confirmation bias, but your pathetic levels of incompetence doing your own independent research and critical thought.

It would appear that you just grabbed a random selection of articles from a Google News search that had the word "Lutsenko" and something potentially unfavorable in them. My article on the other hand directly addresses OP's concerns. I thought it would be of interest to him, but of course knew for you it would only be fodder to attack my character. I posted it anyway because I don't give 2 shits about what you think of my character. An impartial observer can separate the message from the messenger.

I am confident you didn't even bother reading the article.

No I didn't I just blindly copy pasted an excerpt from it with my eyes closed. What an utterly stupid thing to say. Of course I read the article you homunculus.

What it comes down to is this: Trump is about to get impeached and you are steaming mad. You've basically become unhinged in your efforts to deflect the whole situation back on Biden. This will have the exact opposite effect you are intending: democrats will rally around him more than ever now that he is in the firing line of rightwing conspiratards.

Oh the projection from you is so tremendously sweet nutillduhhhhh. You really are clueless and just believe anything the media tells you with zero critical thought, and worse yet, even when they are objective, you selectively interpret and cherry pick only the parts you prefer to see like the intellectually lazy fat tub of lard you are scarfing up whatever carefully filtered shit biscuits the corporate media throws at you.

Let me spell it out for you low and slow so you can take it all in cupcake. Factions of the US intelligence networks organized a regime change in Ukraine in order to put pressure on Russia. This man was part of the spearhead to overthrow their own leader to make way for a puppet of their own choosing. This doesn't necessarily make Viktor Yanukovych honest or exclude the possibility of his own corruption, but the point is the so called revolution was actually an organized coup perpetrated by factions within the US. One man's treason is another man's political prisoner depending on what narrative you are looking to sell, and the corporate establishment media is certainly trying to sell whatever the US intelligence networks tell them to.

Now that the administration responsible for organizing this coup are out of power, and the Ukrainian people have had a chance to put in some one based on their own determinations after a short puppet show along with a lot of conflict and violence, the people responsible for perpetrating this crime are looking to cover their asses at all costs. Of course he would downplay Biden's role, because he was directly involved in this coup. Now that Trump is starting to expose these crimes, everyone including Biden are running around with their asses on fire looking to run damage control and deflect attention away from the real story. Interestingly enough, the coup in Ukraine has a lot of direct connections with the coup that took place here in the USA. As a result anyone being held responsible in either country will expose the other party's involvement. Remember Crowdstrike? Of course you don't, Rachel Maddow and Stephen Colbert didn't instruct you to think about it. Well get back to that later. Did you ever wonder why Trump brought up that name in his call with the Ukrainian president? Because this was a deliberate trap set for the heads of this criminal organization that currently maintain control of the democrat party and to a significant but notably lesser extent the GOP.

Remember how the whole Russia collusion narrative started and got kicked into high gear? It was with the murder of Seth Rich. In order for the parties responsible for murdering him to deflect attention away from him and the evidence he presented and towards Trump, they claimed the files that were actually leaked by Seth Rich were hacked by the Russians. Strangely enough the FBI was never actually given access to the DNC servers, instead they were examined by a 3rd party private cybersecurity firm who claimed it was the Russians. Do you know who that company was? That's right, CrowdStrike.

So as you can see Donny, you're out of your element. You weren't even paying attention to dude's story. You just strolled in at the last second and think you know everything. You don't know shit. Regarding Trumps supposed impeachment, it is the greatest gift the Democrat party could have given to Trump virtually assuring his reelection for four more years. I am not mad at all, I am ecstatic that they made that critical tactical error and furthermore this corruption is finally coming to light among the general population. No one is rallying around Biden, Biden is radioactive and his career is over. He will be lucky to spend the rest of his life in Guantanamo bay when this is all over. You know who everyone is rallying around? Trump, and we have people like you mindlessly vomiting up these half backed Saul Alinsky style projections to thank for it.

So thank you Nutilduhh. Thank you for doing your part to help America as well as Ukraine wrestle back control of their governments from these brutal international cartels.





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Joe and Hunter Biden's Ukraine dealings didn't warrant investigation, ex-law enforcement official says

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Ukraine’s former top law enforcement official told the Los Angeles Times he saw no reason to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden or his son Hunter, in a story published Sunday.

Yuri Lutsenko, the Ukraine ex-prosecutor general, said he told President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani they had not broken any Ukrainian laws to his knowledge. He said he would start a probe only after U.S. officials launched an investigation.

“I said, ‘Let’s put this through prosecutors, not through presidents,’” Lutsenko told The Times. “I told him I could not start an investigation just for the interests of an American official.”

More info here:

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-29/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-no-wrongdoing-biden

As I said in the post, while this may not have been illegal nor a crime -- there was still a clear conflict of interest that Joe Biden ignored to mention to the American people while he had been negotiating there.

That's the part that I take offense with.




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Let the Dems rally around Biden, a third rate candidate for the POTUS.

That virtually assures Trump wins Four More.

I'm okay with that.

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Let the Dems rally around Biden, a third rate candidate for the POTUS.

That virtually assures Trump wins Four More.

I'm okay with that.



I think that if the Dems actually do pick Biden, they're going to be digging their own grave. Biden is a candidate which alienates a large part of the party, which is the new progressive side of the party. He's someone that's going to be a slap in the face to the Sanders/Warren portion of the party, who have seen themselves past over yet again for the establishment candidate.

We'll see, but I do truly think that picking Biden kills the progressives voter turnout. Which is great for the GOP, but not so much for the Dems.




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Joe and Hunter Biden's Ukraine dealings didn't warrant investigation, ex-law enforcement official says

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Ukraine’s former top law enforcement official told the Los Angeles Times he saw no reason to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden or his son Hunter, in a story published Sunday.

Yuri Lutsenko, the Ukraine ex-prosecutor general, said he told President Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani they had not broken any Ukrainian laws to his knowledge. He said he would start a probe only after U.S. officials launched an investigation.

“I said, ‘Let’s put this through prosecutors, not through presidents,’” Lutsenko told The Times. “I told him I could not start an investigation just for the interests of an American official.”

More info here:

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-29/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-no-wrongdoing-biden
Even if what Biden did was legal (I have serious doubts about this), it was horribly unethical and corrupt. His presidential campaign is going to end over it.

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(ridiculously verbose diarrhea)

That's a long way to go about admitting that I'm right. Nowhere in your long-winded spiel did you even counter the points that I made. You just proceeded to bark at me like a rabid chihuahua. Again, what it comes down to is you don't know more about the situation than Lutsenko. He is not a fan of foreign interference, but since he said something opposite of your narrative you decided to puke on him, and me for bringing it up.

As I said in the post, while this may not have been illegal nor a crime -- there was still a clear conflict of interest that Joe Biden ignored to mention to the American people while he had been negotiating there.

That's the part that I take offense with.

I don't think the "conflict of interest" is as clear as you think it is. We don't know the finer details. We just have words by Biden, and words by Trump, and a billion different opinions spanning the entirety of the political spectrum. Proving that Biden forced Ukraine to remove Shokin because his son was being investigated by him is going to be an impossible job. Impeaching Trump over his latest, particularly severe blunder is going to be easy by comparison.

Sorry to disappoint you all but I like Biden more now than I ever did before. I have a feeling that a lot of usually-dem voters paying attention to the news feel the same.

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(ridiculously verbose diarrhea)

That's a long way to go about admitting that I'm right. Nowhere in your long-winded spiel did you even counter the points that I made. You just proceeded to bark at me like a rabid chihuahua. Again, what it comes down to is you don't know more about the situation than Lutsenko. He is not a fan of foreign interference, but since he said something opposite of your narrative you decided to puke on him, and me for bringing it up.

As I said in the post, while this may not have been illegal nor a crime -- there was still a clear conflict of interest that Joe Biden ignored to mention to the American people while he had been negotiating there.

That's the part that I take offense with.

I don't think the "conflict of interest" is as clear as you think it is. We don't know the finer details. We just have words by Biden, and words by Trump, and a billion different opinions spanning the entirety of the political spectrum. Proving that Biden forced Ukraine to remove Shokin because his son was being investigated by him is going to be an impossible job. Impeaching Trump over his latest, particularly severe blunder is going to be easy by comparison.

Sorry to disappoint you all but I like Biden more now than I ever did before. I have a feeling that a lot of usually-dem voters paying attention to the news feel the same.

You didn't make any points. You made claims. Claims that make no sense which I have already addressed by explaining what is actually going on by referencing the historical links to this current fiasco. Oh I am certain Lutsenko knows exactly what happened, because he was part of the coup and is desperate to cover his own ass.

You keep jerkin your cocktail girkin over dreams of ousting Trump over media hype while minimizing a well documented history of corruption, extortion, and treason. LOL, "finer details". Way to make extortion sound like a classy tuxedo gala while you treat the king's castle like a McDonald's bathroom. The only people that still believe your narrative are the desperate feckless ostriches like you who think one day they're going to click their heels together 3 times and the 2016 election results will magically be reversed.

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Sorry to disappoint you all but I like Biden more now than I ever did before. I have a feeling that a lot of usually-dem voters paying attention to the news feel the same.

This would appear to be a textbook example of cognitive dissonance at work.
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People forget in this entire Trump-Ukraine scandal that there is a person that is being left out of all investigations relating the topic. JOE BIDEN

Joe Biden is the point man for the Obama administration on all things Ukraine. He deals with everything going in and out of the WH regarding Ukraine.

Well at the same time as this, Joe Biden son, Hunter Biden, has received a job from a Ukrainian oil company who is under the scrutiny of Ukrainian prosecutors. Hunter Biden has no history in the oil industry, though I don't think this is something to be looked at weirdly -- as picking people to be apart of your corporate board simply based on their name is something that is pretty common in corporate America. Though that's where the issue lies, picking Hunter Biden is picking someone simply because of the fact that he's a Biden and you're trying to ride off the coattails of the Biden name.

But that's exactly what happens -- a prosecutor is fired under the direct order of Joe Biden (who had also threatened to withhold foreign aid from Ukraine) that had been investigating the company that Biden had been working for.

So yeah -- the real story in my head here is the fact that at worst Biden had abused his position as the point man for foreign relations in Ukraine to directly benefit his family. And at worst, Biden had a clear conflict of interest that he failed to bring to the attention of the WH and the American people. Biden without a doubt shouldn't have been involved in these negotiations with Ukraine if he has this clear conflict of interest involving his SON.

@squatz1 I’m positive that you did not expect that the fake media would demand for investigations into Biddens role during his dealings with Ukraine on behalf of his son?. This saga has once again proven that the media has a vendetta against Trump, but it won’t matter because he’s a warrior and he’ll come out as a winner in this situation too. It’s pertinent to note that the Ukrainian President has confirmed that no one asked him to probe Biden, but yet the media is not stopping it’s witch-hunt against Trump.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn48UP4hx3Q

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October 01, 2019, 03:30:38 PM
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(ridiculously verbose diarrhea)

That's a long way to go about admitting that I'm right. Nowhere in your long-winded spiel did you even counter the points that I made. You just proceeded to bark at me like a rabid chihuahua. Again, what it comes down to is you don't know more about the situation than Lutsenko. He is not a fan of foreign interference, but since he said something opposite of your narrative you decided to puke on him, and me for bringing it up.

As I said in the post, while this may not have been illegal nor a crime -- there was still a clear conflict of interest that Joe Biden ignored to mention to the American people while he had been negotiating there.

That's the part that I take offense with.

I don't think the "conflict of interest" is as clear as you think it is. We don't know the finer details. We just have words by Biden, and words by Trump, and a billion different opinions spanning the entirety of the political spectrum. Proving that Biden forced Ukraine to remove Shokin because his son was being investigated by him is going to be an impossible job. Impeaching Trump over his latest, particularly severe blunder is going to be easy by comparison.

Sorry to disappoint you all but I like Biden more now than I ever did before. I have a feeling that a lot of usually-dem voters paying attention to the news feel the same.

Eh I mean I think everything has been confirmed in the broad strokes of what is going on here.

Bidens son worked for a company that was under the scrutiny of the Ukranian government.
Biden had been involved in the pushing out of the prosecutor that was investigating his son.
That's it.

That's the conflict of interest.




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