While people stare at Trumps Ukraine comments, Biden is let off the hook.

[TECSHARE]

Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

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[TwitchySeal]

Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

I mean, the blog you posted claims that the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016.  Would that qualify the author as a retard in your book?

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

[TECSHARE]

Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

I mean, the blog you posted claims that the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016.  Would that qualify the author as a retard in your book?

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

Try picking your nose. It would be a good break from all the cherry picking you do. Also, no it doesn't. More expansive and selective interpretation to fit the confirmation bias of TwitchySeal.

[TwitchySeal]

Obviously I don't know what actually happened.  All we can do is speculate based on what we know.

You could absolutely be correct about Russia not being involved, although I think it's more likely that you're wrong - especially after seeing that blog you posted.  Geez.

 Well geewillikers TwitchySeal, if you can't argue any of the information presented, simply attack the source. I know what I know from observing this unfold as it happened for decades, not just from some blog post. I am sorry your tourist pass leaves you personally unsure, but that sounds like a you problem.

I mean, the blog you posted claims that the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016.  Would that qualify the author as a retard in your book?

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

Try picking your nose. It would be a good break from all the cherry picking you do.

That's literally the premise of the entire blog.  Did you even read it? 

The Kremlin considered the nonexistent Steele-Miller-Skripal link as a convenient and timely combination of circumstances, an opportunity that it could not pass up.  Putin's regime had to prove that it was not Russian intelligence services who composed the "Russian dossier."  The Kremlin needed to send the investigation on the wrong track — ostensibly, this Skripal was the very "source close to the Kremlin" of Christopher Steele.  Moreover, supposedly, this is precisely why the buyers of the "Russian dossier" decided to eliminate Skripal.

In other words, the Skripal poisoning was a cover-up operation of the Kremlin, the purpose of which was to send the "ObamaGate" investigation in a false direction.

For the Kremlin, killing Skripal looked like a pretty attractive move that would explain much, if not all, to the court of public opinion.  It would explain the fact that the "author of the dossier" sufficiently "knew Russian material" and the fact that the linguistic analysis of the "dossier" showed that the text was written grammatically correctly and formatted according to MI6 reporting standards but that the author is not a native English speaker.

The fate of Skripal was decided — the agent "Forthwith" had to be terminated immediately.

[TECSHARE]

That's literally the premise of the entire blog.  Did you even read it? 

The Kremlin considered the nonexistent Steele-Miller-Skripal link as a convenient and timely combination of circumstances, an opportunity that it could not pass up.  Putin's regime had to prove that it was not Russian intelligence services who composed the "Russian dossier."  The Kremlin needed to send the investigation on the wrong track — ostensibly, this Skripal was the very "source close to the Kremlin" of Christopher Steele.  Moreover, supposedly, this is precisely why the buyers of the "Russian dossier" decided to eliminate Skripal.

In other words, the Skripal poisoning was a cover-up operation of the Kremlin, the purpose of which was to send the "ObamaGate" investigation in a false direction.

For the Kremlin, killing Skripal looked like a pretty attractive move that would explain much, if not all, to the court of public opinion.  It would explain the fact that the "author of the dossier" sufficiently "knew Russian material" and the fact that the linguistic analysis of the "dossier" showed that the text was written grammatically correctly and formatted according to MI6 reporting standards but that the author is not a native English speaker.

The fate of Skripal was decided — the agent "Forthwith" had to be terminated immediately.

That was a slick little juxtaposition you did there. I don't see the statement "the poisoning was done by Russia to cover up the fact that Russia wanted Hillary to win in 2016." anywhere in that quote, or the article in general. I do however see that it says "Christopher Steele is known to be an extremely left-wing mind, and he quite aggressively tried to help his transatlantic ideological soulmate, Hillary Clinton, to win the presidential election. "

No, not the premise of the entire blog, just the parts you want to cherry pick and distort to fit your bias. The fact is, even if true, the UK had just as much if not more incentive to attack Skripal. None of this explains why it was done in such a blatantly obvious and visibly "Russian" way. There are plenty of ways to kill people that attract much less attention if your goal is to cover up their connection.

[TwitchySeal]

These are the main points I disputed to begin with.  I'm not trying to do anything slick.  You're the one posting stuff that contradicts what you said at first so I'm not even sure what your point is now, other than Hillary is Bad - Trump is good.  (You haven't contradicted the last one, but I found a report of a scientist that came in contact with Novichok and survived).

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

If he had information dangerous enough worth killing him over, they would have done it before he left Russia.

Furthermore he had a trip planned to visit Russia shortly before the incident. Why the fuck would they attack him on UK soil and create a very public international incident when they could have just waited a week and quietly do it on their own turf?

Finally, if you know anything about Novichok, you would know if it was that, he would be dead 100%, along with first responders and bystanders.

[TECSHARE]

These are the main points I disputed to begin with.  I'm not trying to do anything slick.  You're the one posting stuff that contradicts what you said at first so I'm not even sure what your point is now, other than Hillary is Bad - Trump is good.  (You haven't contradicted the last one, but I found a report of a scientist that came in contact with Novichok and survived).

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded

If he had information dangerous enough worth killing him over, they would have done it before he left Russia.

Furthermore he had a trip planned to visit Russia shortly before the incident. Why the fuck would they attack him on UK soil and create a very public international incident when they could have just waited a week and quietly do it on their own turf?

Finally, if you know anything about Novichok, you would know if it was that, he would be dead 100%, along with first responders and bystanders.

Well you dispute them, I am very proud of you. And?

My point is that these current events relating to Ukraine and the never ending attempt to reverse the results of the 2016 election tie all the way back to these attempts to cover up the illicit source of the Steel dossier, as well as the illegal FISA warrant that was based on it. This demonstrates a pattern of attempts to cover up this coup attempt by all involved parties including the UK, Russia, as well as elements within the US government itself. I am sure Russia attempted to manipulate the election process as well, the problem is more that there are factions within our government also doing so, and they have far more motive and ability to coverall of this up with endless frivolous investigation, media hype, and attempts at impeachment. This has all been crafted to cover their own asses.

[TwitchySeal]

So is "Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded" or not?

Remember, if you still think so that would mean the guy with the "Russia killed Skripal bc of the phony dossier" theory is a retard.

[TECSHARE]

So is "Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded" or not?

Remember, if you still think so that would mean the guy with the "Russia killed Skripal bc of the phony dossier" theory is a retard.

"Ukraine 'Anti-Corruption' Director Bragged About Helping Hillary Clinton In 2016: Leaked Audio"

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

[TwitchySeal]

So is "Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded" or not?

Remember, if you still think so that would mean the guy with the "Russia killed Skripal bc of the phony dossier" theory is a retard.

Trump: I don't think Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack.
TECSHARE: Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded!

Conspiracy Blog: Russia killed Skripal to cover up the truth behind the Steele dossier
TECSHARE: More proof! Libtards!, Witch Hunt!, Lock her up!

Twitchyseal: Both those things can't be true.
TECSHARE: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



You should try to be more objective.  Treating politics the way die hard fans treat their favorite football team just makes all your arguments in bad faith.

[TECSHARE]

Trump: I don't think Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack.
TECSHARE: Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded!

Conspiracy Blog: Russia killed Skripal to cover up the truth behind the Steele dossier
TECSHARE: More proof! Libtards!, Witch Hunt!, Lock her up!

Twitchyseal: Both those things can't be true.
TECSHARE: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



You should try to be more objective.  Treating politics the way die hard fans treat their favorite football team just makes all your arguments in bad faith.

Did Trump even say he doesn't think Russia attacked Skripal? That's news to me.

I don't have a favorite team. Politics is a game of shit hustlers all around. I started as a hard left dem and as they transformed realized I could no longer in good conscious support them as I learned what games they play. I  have voted from everyone from John Kerry, to Ron Paul, to Trump. At least conservatives put their flaws on the table so you can account for them. The left just happen to be the most insane, dangerous, and establishment at the moment and need to be resisted.

I linked the blog because it covered the facts about the Skripal-Steele connection. I don't have to endorse every word, especially the part you are cherry picking where he speculates over factual information that the Russia collusion delusion illegal FISA warrant is directly linked to this assassination attempt. Also they played this exact same game with Alexander Litvinenko, poisoning him with an element that pretty much exclusively comes out of Russia. If you are trying to kill people to cover things up you don't leave your calling card before you leave. All you have are superficial criticisms and character attacks, which is... pathetic.

[TwitchySeal]

Did Trump even say he doesn't think Russia attacked Skripal? That's news to me.

That's literally what started our discussion of Skripal for the past 2 pages.  

Trump told Theresa May he doubted Russia was behind Skripal poisoning

Guys we need a doctor here. I mean srsly an old man gone wild.

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded, for several reasons.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/05/trump-told-theresa-may-he-doubted-russia-was-behind-skripal-poisoning

[TECSHARE]

Did Trump even say he doesn't think Russia attacked Skripal? That's news to me.

That's literally what started our discussion of Skripal for the past 2 pages.  

Trump told Theresa May he doubted Russia was behind Skripal poisoning

Guys we need a doctor here. I mean srsly an old man gone wild.

Anyone who believes that Russia was responsible for the Skripal attack is retarded, for several reasons.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/05/trump-told-theresa-may-he-doubted-russia-was-behind-skripal-poisoning

Right, I forgot I am supposed to take unsourced interpretative comments from randoms on the internet at face value. Silly me for questioning it.

[PrimeNumber7]

I have my doubts as to if Trump will get impeached, but if he does get impeached, I would predict that both Joe and Hunter Biden will be asked to testify and their corruption will be highlighted. Both will be under political pressure to not plead the fifth and a trump impeachment could ironically lead to criminal charges against some closely associated with the Obama administration.

[TECSHARE]

I have my doubts as to if Trump will get impeached, but if he does get impeached, I would predict that both Joe and Hunter Biden will be asked to testify and their corruption will be highlighted. Both will be under political pressure to not plead the fifth and a trump impeachment could ironically lead to criminal charges against some closely associated with the Obama administration.

This was the plan from the start. There is a reason Trump mentioned Crowdstrike in that call, it was a trap for thirsty dems looking for anything to latch on to, baiting them into exposing Biden.

[BADecker]

Joe is trying to keep his son, Hunter, from having to protect Trump, by being forced to be a Trump witness at the impeachment.


EXCLUSIVE: HERE'S Hunter! Biden's son is FOUND in Los Angeles as Donald Trump demands he is a witness at impeachment trial and Joe lashes out at Republicans who have 'attacked my family'

Hunter Biden has been found hiding out in Los Angeles, exclusive DailyMail.com photos show, amid his new wife's pregnancy, fighting his Arkansas baby mama's paternity case and facing calls from President Donald Trump to testify in his impeachment trial.

The scandal-ridden 49-year-old was alone as he ducked out of his home on Friday afternoon, wearing a hip blue suede jacket, skinny jeans and boots, along with his wedding ring.

The sighting comes a week after DailyMail.com revealed that his new South African wife Melissa Cohen, 32, is pregnant and in her second trimester.

As Hunter lays low on the West Coast, Trump demanded that he be called as a witness in his impeachment trial as Hunter is at the center of the trial based on his role with Ukrainian oil company Burisma.

And apparently, his father Joe Biden has had enough of the focus on his son, lashing out during Thursday's presidential candidate debate, claiming Republicans were 'attacking' Hunter.

[Spendulus]

Joe is trying to keep his son, Hunter, from having to protect Trump, by being forced to be a Trump witness at the impeachment.


EXCLUSIVE: HERE'S Hunter! Biden's son is FOUND in Los Angeles as Donald Trump demands he is a witness at impeachment trial and Joe lashes out at Republicans who have 'attacked my family'

Hunter Biden has been found hiding out in Los Angeles, exclusive DailyMail.com photos show, amid his new wife's pregnancy, fighting his Arkansas baby mama's paternity case and facing calls from President Donald Trump to testify in his impeachment trial.

The scandal-ridden 49-year-old was alone as he ducked out of his home on Friday afternoon, wearing a hip blue suede jacket, skinny jeans and boots, along with his wedding ring.

The sighting comes a week after DailyMail.com revealed that his new South African wife Melissa Cohen, 32, is pregnant and in her second trimester.

As Hunter lays low on the West Coast, Trump demanded that he be called as a witness in his impeachment trial as Hunter is at the center of the trial based on his role with Ukrainian oil company Burisma.

And apparently, his father Joe Biden has had enough of the focus on his son, lashing out during Thursday's presidential candidate debate, claiming Republicans were 'attacking' Hunter.

I don't buy this. His being in LA is not going to prevent or hinder his testifying. That can be done via a video link if all parties agree. And right now I don't see anything wrong for anybody if Hunter testified. It is what it is, right? There isn't much in dispute about what Hunter was doing over there.

Assuming the worst, that Hunter and his father were both engaged in illegal operations, this does not affect the two charges that the House has leveled against Trump.

[squatz1]

I have my doubts as to if Trump will get impeached, but if he does get impeached, I would predict that both Joe and Hunter Biden will be asked to testify and their corruption will be highlighted. Both will be under political pressure to not plead the fifth and a trump impeachment could ironically lead to criminal charges against some closely associated with the Obama administration.

This was the plan from the start. There is a reason Trump mentioned Crowdstrike in that call, it was a trap for thirsty dems looking for anything to latch on to, baiting them into exposing Biden.

The Senate isn't going to do this. McConell continues to signal that he wants a fast and quick acquittal. Trump and some Conservatives are saying that they want both Bidens to come in front of them and talk, but that truly could backfire and the Republicans don't want to risk it.

With public opinion in the 48-48 range. They know that they're going to be able to sweep this under the rug and move on. That's the best thing Trump can do for his reelection campaign. Better not to risk it.

[PrimeNumber7]

I have my doubts as to if Trump will get impeached, but if he does get impeached, I would predict that both Joe and Hunter Biden will be asked to testify and their corruption will be highlighted. Both will be under political pressure to not plead the fifth and a trump impeachment could ironically lead to criminal charges against some closely associated with the Obama administration.

This was the plan from the start. There is a reason Trump mentioned Crowdstrike in that call, it was a trap for thirsty dems looking for anything to latch on to, baiting them into exposing Biden.


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The Senate isn't going to do this. McConell continues to signal that he wants a fast and quick acquittal. Trump and some Conservatives are saying that they want both Bidens to come in front of them and talk, but that truly could backfire and the Republicans don't want to risk it.

With public opinion in the 48-48 range. They know that they're going to be able to sweep this under the rug and move on. That's the best thing Trump can do for his reelection campaign. Better not to risk it.

It currently looks unlikely there will be any witnesses at the Senate trial, if one happens. As a side note, Senate rules currently state something along the lines of they will promptly hold a trial upon receiving impeachment 'papers' from the House, however this requirement is not in the constitution. Some are calling for the Senate to amend their rules by a majority vote, and hold a trial with or without house managers being voted on and approved by Democrats.

It is possible that either Biden testifying at Trump's trial will be a moot point considering that Biden is allegedly under criminal investigation, and if the younger Biden is charged, Joe will probably need to exit the race due to the potential liability that Hunter will be willing to give politically damaging details of his various arrangements.

[KingScorpio]

the usa is supposed to fight corruption everywhere, thats part of its humanist ideology, now it has hit biden and the democratic party and they try to blame trump,

trump wouldnt have been a good president if an ukrainian or german would have been corrupt in ukraine