The crypto hell: the exchangers manipulation.

[alberdina]

Market manipulation may occur in all exchanges. What they do will definitely make us lose money and can also generate profits. Maybe that's what happened in Bitcoin in a few months ago, Bitcoin price rose very high, then suddenly dropped very far.

We can not do anything to avoid market manipulation. But I was lucky if I could follow the movement and quickly make a decision. I think it would make a good profit.

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[FaucetKING]

If you are for decentralization, you should be happy if these centralized exchanges destroy their own reputation by manipulating volume. Users will lose trust on them and there's a high chance that they will prefer decentralized exchanges.


It's ironic that you are bothered by manipulation by centralized exchanges but don't bother promoting a forum paid by one of the exchanges that's been accused multiple times doing such activities.

Yes, surely i'm a fan of privacy and decentralization. You're mentioning Yobit right there ? I'm not promoting yobit yet and i am just promoting a forum controled by them. Yobit does ICOs which are a legitmate investment because the investors are getting their selves in the risk and keeps investing. I don't know if yobit does manipulate but i never had any issue with my trades there. I am not defending anybody.. I am defending the usual risk. Think again about what i'm writing..it is a serious risk and issue. Any other solutions ?

[Eugenar]

Hello there fellas,
I'm going to discuss something that keeps making me nervous. I'm that kind of a person who likes the decentralization, the privacy, the freedom and the equality in the financial world. It comes to my mind that these exchangers might someday be selfish, crypto is getting worthy and it will bring the eyes of the greedy peoples. Imagine that these exchangers grabs the trust of the peoples and then they start manipulating the market. The total volume in the exchangers is not stabe and peoples will never withdraw all their funds. Let's say that the amount of the holdings that an exchange have is 1000 btc, they could easily create sell walls of 1500 btc and peoples will buy because they trust these exchangers. What will happen then? Imagine that all the exchangers do this, what's your thoughts on this fact?.

Few exchanges are very true with their volume, not all exchanges manipulates the market moreover news about this is already spreading and very soon actions will be taken on exchanges with fake volumes, exchanges like huobi or binance stands out among the rest,they always prefer to stay clean

Basically, one of the tactics that a newly launched exchange is to generate support and traders through changing their volume to look as pleasant as a successful exchange platform has. In myself, I can accept if and only if, they provide huge benefits to traders, there's no need to change the volume, they can actually attract traders with their own exchange token, just like what binance is doing.

[r_delossa]

I am almost sure that exchanges are manipulating every single data. They are manipulating orders, trading volumes, asset amounts and much more, who knows if biggest exchanges are doing so like Binance or Huobi. Thats why I prefer to trade only on such exchanges.

[Emperor of Man]

Unfortunately this is one of the many problems that crypto (and many other markets today) suffer from. Exchanges have power, and power ruins people.

I wish for a day that people learn to use decentralized exchanges (Dex') and they gain enough volume, but until then, this problem would exist.

[bellicose]

Some trading platforms really abuse trading volume. This is mainly done by young exchanges that want to achieve an influx of users due to the high volume of trading. Maybe large and well-known sites, also engaged in similar earlier.

[dearbesz1219]

I am so happy that we have atleast Binance and Coinbase. These exchanges are last exchanges that are honest, provide true information about tradings and try to improve the experience from trading. Not to mention that they are helping the whole crypto world by creating various of useful products.

[Herressy]

Some trading platforms really abuse trading volume. This is mainly done by young exchanges that want to achieve an influx of users due to the high volume of trading. Maybe large and well-known sites, also engaged in similar earlier.

that was rigth they just want to be one of top exchange by using volume tactics which is actually fake . when you visit that exchange you will see that they just using bot for volume and the buy order for that  token is very low .

[DU18]

I am almost sure that exchanges are manipulating every single data. They are manipulating orders, trading volumes, asset amounts and much more, who knows if biggest exchanges are doing so like Binance or Huobi. Thats why I prefer to trade only on such exchanges.

There is no exchanger that is safe in my opinion Because, regarding business of course the exchanger developer is only concerned with the benefits that must be obtained by their exchanger no matter what. New and old exchangers will definitely be straightforward to cheat the exchanger users if the transaction volume that occurs in their exchanger is quiet, so, they will enter the system, and then monitor the entire database of stop limit positions, buy orders, sell orders, etc. So with that data, they can create panic because their wallets have a lot of cryptocurrency quantities. Their goal is to create panic to trigger the buying and selling activities of traders, and they (exchangers) will benefit from our transaction fees.

[lionheart78]

Hello there fellas,
I'm going to discuss something that keeps making me nervous. I'm that kind of a person who likes the decentralization, the privacy, the freedom and the equality in the financial world. It comes to my mind that these exchangers might someday be selfish, crypto is getting worthy and it will bring the eyes of the greedy peoples.

Greedy people are already in the cryptocurrency industry.  You can see them manipulating trades, pumping and dumping in order to get profit from this scheme.  Several exchanges are also being accused by doing this, even Binance have an accusation of coordinated pump and dump of the IEO token that took place in their platform.  

Imagine that these exchangers grabs the trust of the peoples and then they start manipulating the market. The total volume in the exchangers is not stabe and peoples will never withdraw all their funds. Let's say that the amount of the holdings that an exchange have is 1000 btc, they could easily create sell walls of 1500 btc and peoples will buy because they trust these exchangers. What will happen then? Imagine that all the exchangers do this, what's your thoughts on this fact?.

This is possible but risky on the part of the exchange. Since a scenario where they sold out a BTC and all of a sudden, an influx of withdrawal comes in, they will surely on the deficit and will be unable to process the withdrawal creating doubt in their client.  Exchange will suffer more than gain a profit so I guess this won't happen.

[rdewilde]

Hello there fellas,
I'm going to discuss something that keeps making me nervous. I'm that kind of a person who likes the decentralization, the privacy, the freedom and the equality in the financial world. It comes to my mind that these exchangers might someday be selfish, crypto is getting worthy and it will bring the eyes of the greedy peoples. Imagine that these exchangers grabs the trust of the peoples and then they start manipulating the market. The total volume in the exchangers is not stabe and peoples will never withdraw all their funds. Let's say that the amount of the holdings that an exchange have is 1000 btc, they could easily create sell walls of 1500 btc and peoples will buy because they trust these exchangers. What will happen then? Imagine that all the exchangers do this, what's your thoughts on this fact?.

There is no doubt the crypto space has made many things possible but on a reality point of view, it is the participants that are causing issues here and there; developers will create scam projects and so on. From the look of things, I don't think there is any exchange which is safe or genuine when it comes to volume; exchanges manipulates their volume so as to gain more users which in turn damages the trust people have on them. My simple advice is, trade with only your trading funds, any profit made should be sent to an external wallet no matter how small.

[Thefrolly]

Many exchangers manipulate the market when they dump and sell their coins. Exchangers who involve in Pump and dump help in promoting a stock they hold and selling once the stock price has risen following the surge in interest as a result of the endorsement. This in turn causes a misleading appearance and could affect the prices

[ice098]

Many exchangers manipulate the market when they dump and sell their coins. Exchangers who involve in Pump and dump help in promoting a stock they hold and selling once the stock price has risen following the surge in interest as a result of the endorsement. This in turn causes a misleading appearance and could affect the prices

They can manipulate it anytime they want. It is somehow their power to create a strong and enough volume to their exchanges. I have know some exchanges that indicates that the coin that I am trading with has a volume but when I put my order something weird always happen, you may observe it in the trading history. There are many fake volume i  many exchanges now. There are few that it is real now.

[torpedo]

These are the right questions. Don't make this idea over-important, that can cause depression. Think of other ways to withdraw the funds.

[gaston castano]

I think it's just a hoax, I'm sure that popular exchanges don't need to use such methods, because from trading fees alone they can get profits every day, so it won't be done with large exchanges such as binance, bitmex, and others.
I don't know about new / unpopular exchanges whether the reason they get hacked is because of manipulation?,or there are other reasons.

[tk808]

still relevant

[FaucetKING]

still relevant

Thanks for the sweety merits. Well, the issue is bigger than it looks like. The issue here is that the exchangers are having a lot of investors who trust them as a looking-like stock exchange market. These exchangers could easily create Bitcoins and sell them through their platform, these are inexistent Bitcoins but as you know, investors will buy because they are following the BTC price and it won't be an issue even if these exchangers sell 10000 non-existent btc, there will be peoples buying again and again. Just imagine the catastrophic damage on the market and the big profits they could make selling nothing in exchange of cash!
Peoples! , you shall rethink about the trust you're giving to these centralized exchangers, we're on RISK.

[bigcash2011]

I think for all these issues crypto exchange regulations is a must just like forex exchanges or brokers are regulated to safegaurd investors and traders from scam or fraud. We know that most of crypto exchanges are already involved in manipulation either the way you have posted or by using bits that result in showing fake trades and volumes i do think that we need honest, serious and regulated exchanges for this market to grow nicely and mass adoption of this new market.

[don.key]

I think for all these issues crypto exchange regulations is a must just like forex exchanges or brokers are regulated to safegaurd investors and traders from scam or fraud. We know that most of crypto exchanges are already involved in manipulation either the way you have posted or by using bits that result in showing fake trades and volumes i do think that we need honest, serious and regulated exchanges for this market to grow nicely and mass adoption of this new market.

Even with Forex regulations most Market Makers will screw you because you play against the house. List of possible manipulations is endless.
The only safe choice in Forex was and is direct ECN trading but that always required large account (30k+).

In Crypto world decentralised exchanges sound like the best way to deal with the problem indeed.

[Pearls Before Swine]

Exchanges certainly could do everything Op described, which is why one has to pick his exchange of choice carefully.

What I would say, tho, is that as long as a trader can get the price he wants (and is a fair one across all the exchanges) it doesn't matter much if the exchange is playing around with the volume.  If they were to start fiddling with the bid-ask orders, that's another story. 

Regulated exchanges like coinbase, kraken, poloniex and the rest shouldn't have problems with manipulation, as that would mean the end of their businesses if they got caught.  That is not to say that they couldn't do it, just that they'd be stupid to even try.  Op, there is a place for paranoia when it comes to dealing with crypto, but if I were in your shoes I wouldn't let this concern keep you up at nights.  The bottom line is: if you're using an exchange and its working for you, and you don't think they're cheating you on order execution, don't fret it.