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October 02, 2019, 04:11:28 PM
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Didn't hear anything about this until it happened, so I'm not fully sure if this is NEWSWORTHY. But it is something to take note of.

Sanders was already having a hard time keeping up with Warren and Biden in the polls, and I think (depending on how many events hes going to miss) this could be the end of his campaign.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/sanders-cancels-events-until-further-notice-due-to-health-issues-11570027592?mod=hp_lead_pos3

Would be nice if they gave some sort of ETA, because if the entire campaign goes dark for a month or so that would end this. A week is different.




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October 02, 2019, 05:47:38 PM
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This is without doubt going to be the end for Bernie Sanders campaign,  if he goes away for even two weeks without any events, it's going to affect his position on the opinion polls and am sure Joe Biden and Warren are going to capitalize on it and appeal to some of his supporters.

 
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October 02, 2019, 06:03:35 PM
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This is without doubt going to be the end for Bernie Sanders campaign,  if he goes away for even two weeks without any events, it's going to affect his position on the opinion polls and am sure Joe Biden and Warren are going to capitalize on it and appeal to some of his supporters.

This is kinda the way I'm going with my line of thinking.

I think that there's no way that anyone is going to be able to survive without being involved for two weeks. Even Bernie Sanders, who really does have a cult following. Even with that, you HAVE TO be involved in this day and age.

Bernie does have a chance to stay involved for a little bit -- not himself, but sending out emails and virtual stuff.

I really want to hear what some others think about this.




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Some other candidates would be able to continue after this, but since the media hates Sanders, they'll constantly portray him as near death. Probably it will hurt his support enough to kill his inertia and force him to drop out after he performs poorly in the first few states.

According to the latest Morning Consult polling, Sanders supporters say that their second choice is:
 - 30% Biden
 - 28% Warren
 - 6% Harris

If you assume that Sanders drops out now, go based on the above numbers along with the current RCP average, and give one-tenth of Sanders' remaining support to candidates not listed in the Morning Consult poll, you get adjusted numbers of:
 - Biden 26.1 -> 31.1
 - Warren 24.4 -> 29.1
 - Buttigieg 5.6 -> 6.2
 - Harris 4.7 -> 5.7
 - Yang 3.3 -> 3.9

This (incredibly rough/unscientific analysis) makes it look good for Biden and to a slightly lesser extent Warren, but it really solidifies it into a 2-person race.

I would've really liked Sanders vs Trump because it's win-win in some ways: compared to previous presidents Trump is above average in most areas, while Sanders is excellent on foreign policy and civil liberties and terrible on policies that a president is more limited in affecting. Now I probably have to hope for Trump beating Biden or Warren.

In Trump vs Biden, I think Trump would probably win, but it wouldn't be a sure thing. President Biden would be like a mix between Obama and Bush. Biden himself is very authoritarian and pro-intervention, but he would probably appoint some Obama people to his administration, which might improve things somewhat on average. On the plus side, he is definitely not anti-capitalist.

In Trump vs Warren, Warren would have a very low chance of winning, but it'd be high stakes because Warren is really terrible. Warren is a horrible fusion of authoritarianism, interventionism, anti-capitalism, and corporatism, and her victory would embolden progressives while also giving them an opportunity to say, "Warren is destroying the country only because she's not progressive enough: she's no Bernie!". On the plus side, if she loses (which is the most likely outcome), it might diminish AOC-type progressivism in the Democratic party for a while.

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October 03, 2019, 12:00:46 AM
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Some other candidates would be able to continue after this, but since the media hates Sanders, they'll constantly portray him as near death. Probably it will hurt his support enough to kill his inertia and force him to drop out after he performs poorly in the first few states.

According to the latest Morning Consult polling, Sanders supporters say that their second choice is:
 - 30% Biden
 - 28% Warren
 - 6% Harris

If you assume that Sanders drops out now, go based on the above numbers along with the current RCP average, and give one-tenth of Sanders' remaining support to candidates not listed in the Morning Consult poll, you get adjusted numbers of:
 - Biden 26.1 -> 31.1
 - Warren 24.4 -> 29.1
 - Buttigieg 5.6 -> 6.2
 - Harris 4.7 -> 5.7
 - Yang 3.3 -> 3.9

This (incredibly rough/unscientific analysis) makes it look good for Biden and to a slightly lesser extent Warren, but it really solidifies it into a 2-person race.

I would've really liked Sanders vs Trump because it's win-win in some ways: compared to previous presidents Trump is above average in most areas, while Sanders is excellent on foreign policy and civil liberties and terrible on policies that a president is more limited in affecting. Now I probably have to hope for Trump beating Biden or Warren.

In Trump vs Biden, I think Trump would probably win, but it wouldn't be a sure thing. President Biden would be like a mix between Obama and Bush. Biden himself is very authoritarian and pro-intervention, but he would probably appoint some Obama people to his administration, which might improve things somewhat on average. On the plus side, he is definitely not anti-capitalist.

In Trump vs Warren, Warren would have a very low chance of winning, but it'd be high stakes because Warren is really terrible. Warren is a horrible fusion of authoritarianism, interventionism, anti-capitalism, and corporatism, and her victory would embolden progressives while also giving them an opportunity to say, "Warren is destroying the country only because she's not progressive enough: she's no Bernie!". On the plus side, if she loses (which is the most likely outcome), it might diminish AOC-type progressivism in the Democratic party for a while.

I guess Bernie is most likely spewing the same stuff that Trump said about foreign policy - which was the idea that the US was in too many foreign ways and the troops should come home.

I don't know much about his foreign policy, though I've heard its pretty much what Trump had spoken about during the campaign trail.

I guess we'll see.




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Some other candidates would be able to continue after this, but since the media hates Sanders, they'll constantly portray him as near death. Probably it will hurt his support enough to kill his inertia and force him to drop out after he performs poorly in the first few states.

According to the latest Morning Consult polling, Sanders supporters say that their second choice is:
 - 30% Biden
 - 28% Warren
 - 6% Harris

If you assume that Sanders drops out now, go based on the above numbers along with the current RCP average, and give one-tenth of Sanders' remaining support to candidates not listed in the Morning Consult poll, you get adjusted numbers of:
 - Biden 26.1 -> 31.1
 - Warren 24.4 -> 29.1
 - Buttigieg 5.6 -> 6.2
 - Harris 4.7 -> 5.7
 - Yang 3.3 -> 3.9

This (incredibly rough/unscientific analysis) makes it look good for Biden and to a slightly lesser extent Warren, but it really solidifies it into a 2-person race.

I would've really liked Sanders vs Trump because it's win-win in some ways: compared to previous presidents Trump is above average in most areas, while Sanders is excellent on foreign policy and civil liberties and terrible on policies that a president is more limited in affecting. Now I probably have to hope for Trump beating Biden or Warren.

In Trump vs Biden, I think Trump would probably win, but it wouldn't be a sure thing. President Biden would be like a mix between Obama and Bush. Biden himself is very authoritarian and pro-intervention, but he would probably appoint some Obama people to his administration, which might improve things somewhat on average. On the plus side, he is definitely not anti-capitalist.

In Trump vs Warren, Warren would have a very low chance of winning, but it'd be high stakes because Warren is really terrible. Warren is a horrible fusion of authoritarianism, interventionism, anti-capitalism, and corporatism, and her victory would embolden progressives while also giving them an opportunity to say, "Warren is destroying the country only because she's not progressive enough: she's no Bernie!". On the plus side, if she loses (which is the most likely outcome), it might diminish AOC-type progressivism in the Democratic party for a while.

I guess Bernie is most likely spewing the same stuff that Trump said about foreign policy - which was the idea that the US was in too many foreign ways and the troops should come home.

I don't know much about his foreign policy, though I've heard its pretty much what Trump had spoken about during the campaign trail.

I guess we'll see.
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He also has cancelled ("postponed") some major ad buys in Iowa. I think this is probably indicative of a campaign coming to an end. The Iowa primary is only 4 months away, so he will need to resume campaigning and advertising quickly, or else his supporters in Iowa will move to other candidates, making it likely for him to do poorly in the Iowa primary. A poor performance in the Iowa primary may mean he looses supporters, and donors elsewhere.

According to the latest Morning Consult polling, Sanders supporters say that their second choice is:
 - 30% Biden
 - 28% Warren
 - 6% Harris
There was a Monmouth (and a Economist/YouGov) poll out today that has Warren ahead of Biden. This is from Biden having double digit leads, and leads exceeding the total support of the next two highest candidates combined not long ago. I suspect that Biden may need to end his campaign because of the Ukraine 'scandal' and the purpose of the scandal may have actually been to harm Biden's campaign. 

I suspect that 'second choices' of voters are more malleable, and may change depending on who the candidate endorses after dropping out.

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October 03, 2019, 02:56:53 PM
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He also has cancelled ("postponed") some major ad buys in Iowa. I think this is probably indicative of a campaign coming to an end. The Iowa primary is only 4 months away, so he will need to resume campaigning and advertising quickly, or else his supporters in Iowa will move to other candidates, making it likely for him to do poorly in the Iowa primary. A poor performance in the Iowa primary may mean he looses supporters, and donors elsewhere.

According to the latest Morning Consult polling, Sanders supporters say that their second choice is:
 - 30% Biden
 - 28% Warren
 - 6% Harris
There was a Monmouth (and a Economist/YouGov) poll out today that has Warren ahead of Biden. This is from Biden having double digit leads, and leads exceeding the total support of the next two highest candidates combined not long ago. I suspect that Biden may need to end his campaign because of the Ukraine 'scandal' and the purpose of the scandal may have actually been to harm Biden's campaign. 

I suspect that 'second choices' of voters are more malleable, and may change depending on who the candidate endorses after dropping out.

Welp my brain was thinking that they were going to keep the ads going to continue getting his name and his ideas out there.

But once you start cancelling ads when primaries are 4 months away, you're kinda saying that you don't really know where this campaign is going to go and they're most likely just going to look things over now. Might be the end of the campaign. Might start thinking about who to endorse.

Because if we see Bernie endorse Warren, I think she might be able to pull through and beat Biden.




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October 05, 2019, 07:25:38 PM
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This is without doubt going to be the end for Bernie Sanders campaign,  if he goes away for even two weeks without any events, it's going to affect his position on the opinion polls and am sure Joe Biden and Warren are going to capitalize on it and appeal to some of his supporters.


I am considering Bernie Sanders as a spent force in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination which is fast approaching. There is a big possibility that soon he might choose to just endorse somebody among his peers to carry maybe his ideas and plans as well as grab an opportunity to be a political king-maker instead. Bernie's supporters should now start choosing which among the other candidates should they support all the way to the election next year. I am always excited when political circus is getting upon us as we can clearly see who among our self-professing leaders are really for the good of the country and who are here just for their own personal ambitions.

 
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