Religion and Morality.

[BADecker]

First of all, many philosophers and atheists do not understand that God is the source of all creation, life and love.
God is behind all natural laws, he is the creator of mathematics, physics, science etc.
In the end, God is also the source of ethics and morality, which are unchanging and absolute.
People can create only temporary moral which cannot stand the test of time.
Religion is merely an intermediary between God and men.
And as someone has well noted, what is most fundamental is that God is love and our Heavenly Parent.
God's love was his motivation for creation and the absolute morality he gave us as a guide to life.

Unchanging?

When was the last time you stoned to death a waitress who served you coffee after your Sunday mass?  

Or killed gays when you saw them in the street?

You have been doing that^^^ stuff? Shame on you.

If we only knew what that unchanging morality is.  LOL.

3000+ examples and counting.

Morality is created by culture and is temporal.  What is moral in one culture is obscene in another and vice versa.
What was once considered moral in Christianity/Judaism/Islam is no longer moral today. Slavery, stoning people to death, etc.

All we do is stick them in prison, often for not hurting anybody, and often for life on top of it.

Morality is built into the human mind and brain by God. Sin has corrupted it somewhat, but morality is similar wherever there are people. What is different is the ways mankind carries out morality in the various societies.

God is a man-made construct to help you cope with the challenges in life.  

A self-deluding psychological trick to help you survive in the complex world.

Your idea that God is a man-made construct is simply you making yourself into a god... a man-made construct.

[af_newbie]

First of all, many philosophers and atheists do not understand that God is the source of all creation, life and love.
God is behind all natural laws, he is the creator of mathematics, physics, science etc.
In the end, God is also the source of ethics and morality, which are unchanging and absolute.
People can create only temporary moral which cannot stand the test of time.
Religion is merely an intermediary between God and men.
And as someone has well noted, what is most fundamental is that God is love and our Heavenly Parent.
God's love was his motivation for creation and the absolute morality he gave us as a guide to life.

Unchanging?

When was the last time you stoned to death a waitress who served you coffee after your Sunday mass?  

Or killed gays when you saw them in the street?

You have been doing that^^^ stuff? Shame on you.

If we only knew what that unchanging morality is.  LOL.

3000+ examples and counting.

Morality is created by culture and is temporal.  What is moral in one culture is obscene in another and vice versa.
What was once considered moral in Christianity/Judaism/Islam is no longer moral today. Slavery, stoning people to death, etc.

All we do is stick them in prison, often for not hurting anybody, and often for life on top of it.

Morality is built into the human mind and brain by God. Sin has corrupted it somewhat, but morality is similar wherever there are people. What is different is the ways mankind carries out morality in the various societies.

God is a man-made construct to help you cope with the challenges in life.  

A self-deluding psychological trick to help you survive in the complex world.

Your idea that God is a man-made construct is simply you making yourself into a god... a man-made construct.

Read the Bible, before you open your ignorant mouth.  

Bible endorses slavery, killing gays, stoning people who work on the Sabbath to death.  

This book was written by ancient people, for ancient people.

Nobody obeys the moral rules in this book, except for the ISIS fighters.

Mic drop.

[BADecker]

First of all, many philosophers and atheists do not understand that God is the source of all creation, life and love.
God is behind all natural laws, he is the creator of mathematics, physics, science etc.
In the end, God is also the source of ethics and morality, which are unchanging and absolute.
People can create only temporary moral which cannot stand the test of time.
Religion is merely an intermediary between God and men.
And as someone has well noted, what is most fundamental is that God is love and our Heavenly Parent.
God's love was his motivation for creation and the absolute morality he gave us as a guide to life.

Unchanging?

When was the last time you stoned to death a waitress who served you coffee after your Sunday mass?  

Or killed gays when you saw them in the street?

You have been doing that^^^ stuff? Shame on you.

If we only knew what that unchanging morality is.  LOL.

3000+ examples and counting.

Morality is created by culture and is temporal.  What is moral in one culture is obscene in another and vice versa.
What was once considered moral in Christianity/Judaism/Islam is no longer moral today. Slavery, stoning people to death, etc.

All we do is stick them in prison, often for not hurting anybody, and often for life on top of it.

Morality is built into the human mind and brain by God. Sin has corrupted it somewhat, but morality is similar wherever there are people. What is different is the ways mankind carries out morality in the various societies.

God is a man-made construct to help you cope with the challenges in life.  

A self-deluding psychological trick to help you survive in the complex world.

Your idea that God is a man-made construct is simply you making yourself into a god... a man-made construct.

Read the Bible, before you open your ignorant mouth.  

Bible endorses slavery, killing gays, stoning people who work on the Sabbath to death.  

This book was written by ancient people, for ancient people.

Nobody obeys the moral rules in this book, except for the ISIS fighters.

Mic drop.

Read the Bible, before you open your ignorant mouth.

The New Testament, which is for all people today, endorses none of the things you say, above.

But you know this already. The only reason why you fight saying the truth, is because you are generally rebellious against God, your maker.

[af_newbie]

First of all, many philosophers and atheists do not understand that God is the source of all creation, life and love.
God is behind all natural laws, he is the creator of mathematics, physics, science etc.
In the end, God is also the source of ethics and morality, which are unchanging and absolute.
People can create only temporary moral which cannot stand the test of time.
Religion is merely an intermediary between God and men.
And as someone has well noted, what is most fundamental is that God is love and our Heavenly Parent.
God's love was his motivation for creation and the absolute morality he gave us as a guide to life.

Unchanging?

When was the last time you stoned to death a waitress who served you coffee after your Sunday mass?  

Or killed gays when you saw them in the street?

You have been doing that^^^ stuff? Shame on you.

If we only knew what that unchanging morality is.  LOL.

3000+ examples and counting.

Morality is created by culture and is temporal.  What is moral in one culture is obscene in another and vice versa.
What was once considered moral in Christianity/Judaism/Islam is no longer moral today. Slavery, stoning people to death, etc.

All we do is stick them in prison, often for not hurting anybody, and often for life on top of it.

Morality is built into the human mind and brain by God. Sin has corrupted it somewhat, but morality is similar wherever there are people. What is different is the ways mankind carries out morality in the various societies.

God is a man-made construct to help you cope with the challenges in life.  

A self-deluding psychological trick to help you survive in the complex world.

Your idea that God is a man-made construct is simply you making yourself into a god... a man-made construct.

Read the Bible, before you open your ignorant mouth.  

Bible endorses slavery, killing gays, stoning people who work on the Sabbath to death.  

This book was written by ancient people, for ancient people.

Nobody obeys the moral rules in this book, except for the ISIS fighters.

Mic drop.

Read the Bible, before you open your ignorant mouth.

The New Testament, which is for all people today, endorses none of the things you say, above.

But you know this already. The only reason why you fight saying the truth, is because you are generally rebellious against God, your maker.

Are the 10 commandments given by God to all people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXZ8KuvY7E

[styca]

Some of those names sound familiar. Haven't following them but yes, those people you mentioned tend to be outspoken secularists. I believe most of them are atheists, Dawkins definitely, not sure about Peterson.

We need to understand that since they don't believe in any deity, it's going to affect their views of the source of morality, which is why most of them point to an innate biological origin. I don't think debates between them and religious folks are going to end well, completely different worldviews.

Indeed, they are never going to agree. I don't really understand why science vs religion is even a thing. They are completely different, you can't reconcile the two.
Science means theories backed up by hard evidence. It's another word for truth, really, or the best human approximation we have to truth.
Faith is just a belief that isn't backed up by evidence.

This is why science is developing and expanding, and religion is shrinking. It used to be that religion explained everything. But over the centuries sciene has provided better and better explanations for more and more things. Religion shrinks, it is simply a name for the science that hasn't yet been discovered.

[BADecker]

Are the 10 commandments given by God to all people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXZ8KuvY7E

The essence of the Ten Commandments as they are written in the hearts of all people are given to all people.

The official Ten Commandments as they are given in the Bible, were given only to the Ancient Israel people. However, anyone can commit to obeying them.

[BADecker]

Some of those names sound familiar. Haven't following them but yes, those people you mentioned tend to be outspoken secularists. I believe most of them are atheists, Dawkins definitely, not sure about Peterson.

We need to understand that since they don't believe in any deity, it's going to affect their views of the source of morality, which is why most of them point to an innate biological origin. I don't think debates between them and religious folks are going to end well, completely different worldviews.

Indeed, they are never going to agree. I don't really understand why science vs religion is even a thing. They are completely different, you can't reconcile the two.
Science means theories backed up by hard evidence. It's another word for truth, really, or the best human approximation we have to truth.
Faith is just a belief that isn't backed up by evidence.

This is why science is developing and expanding, and religion is shrinking. It used to be that religion explained everything. But over the centuries sciene has provided better and better explanations for more and more things. Religion shrinks, it is simply a name for the science that hasn't yet been discovered.

Formal science is a limited view of the science that God made. In some cases it might be a detailed view of certain tiny aspects of the science God made. In many theoretical cases, it is a wrong view, because other attached parts of God-science are not considered.

[af_newbie]

Are the 10 commandments given by God to all people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXZ8KuvY7E

The essence of the Ten Commandments as they are written in the hearts of all people are given to all people.

The official Ten Commandments as they are given in the Bible, were given only to the Ancient Israel people. However, anyone can commit to obeying them.

So the Bible was not written for you or any other American Christian lunatic.

[BADecker]

Are the 10 commandments given by God to all people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXZ8KuvY7E

The essence of the Ten Commandments as they are written in the hearts of all people are given to all people.

The official Ten Commandments as they are given in the Bible, were given only to the Ancient Israel people. However, anyone can commit to obeying them.

So the Bible was not written for you or any other American Christian lunatic.

No, the whole Bible was written for everybody. The way it was given to whom it was given shows what parts of it are a law for which people, and which peoples parts of it are not a law for.

The New Testament is law for everybody. But it is a law of love and salvation faith for everybody. In it is found freedom. But such freedom only remains if there is faith and love.

[styca]

Some of those names sound familiar. Haven't following them but yes, those people you mentioned tend to be outspoken secularists. I believe most of them are atheists, Dawkins definitely, not sure about Peterson.

We need to understand that since they don't believe in any deity, it's going to affect their views of the source of morality, which is why most of them point to an innate biological origin. I don't think debates between them and religious folks are going to end well, completely different worldviews.

Indeed, they are never going to agree. I don't really understand why science vs religion is even a thing. They are completely different, you can't reconcile the two.
Science means theories backed up by hard evidence. It's another word for truth, really, or the best human approximation we have to truth.
Faith is just a belief that isn't backed up by evidence.

This is why science is developing and expanding, and religion is shrinking. It used to be that religion explained everything. But over the centuries sciene has provided better and better explanations for more and more things. Religion shrinks, it is simply a name for the science that hasn't yet been discovered.

Formal science is a limited view of the science that God made. In some cases it might be a detailed view of certain tiny aspects of the science God made. In many theoretical cases, it is a wrong view, because other attached parts of God-science are not considered.

Science is truth determined through reason and acquisition of evidence. God is the collective term for the science we haven't discovered yet. Maybe there are some things that are forever beyond human understanding, maybe we'll never understand exactly how our universe came into being - but that's a limitation of human understanding, it doesn't imply the existence of God.

[BADecker]

Some of those names sound familiar. Haven't following them but yes, those people you mentioned tend to be outspoken secularists. I believe most of them are atheists, Dawkins definitely, not sure about Peterson.

We need to understand that since they don't believe in any deity, it's going to affect their views of the source of morality, which is why most of them point to an innate biological origin. I don't think debates between them and religious folks are going to end well, completely different worldviews.

Indeed, they are never going to agree. I don't really understand why science vs religion is even a thing. They are completely different, you can't reconcile the two.
Science means theories backed up by hard evidence. It's another word for truth, really, or the best human approximation we have to truth.
Faith is just a belief that isn't backed up by evidence.

This is why science is developing and expanding, and religion is shrinking. It used to be that religion explained everything. But over the centuries sciene has provided better and better explanations for more and more things. Religion shrinks, it is simply a name for the science that hasn't yet been discovered.

Formal science is a limited view of the science that God made. In some cases it might be a detailed view of certain tiny aspects of the science God made. In many theoretical cases, it is a wrong view, because other attached parts of God-science are not considered.

Science is truth determined through reason and acquisition of evidence. God is the collective term for the science we haven't discovered yet. Maybe there are some things that are forever beyond human understanding, maybe we'll never understand exactly how our universe came into being - but that's a limitation of human understanding, it doesn't imply the existence of God.

Science is extremely limited truth, plus the acknowledgement of not being sure of anything (science theory).

Let God show us the great truths that science will never be able to figure out on its own.

[af_newbie]

Are the 10 commandments given by God to all people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXZ8KuvY7E

The essence of the Ten Commandments as they are written in the hearts of all people are given to all people.

The official Ten Commandments as they are given in the Bible, were given only to the Ancient Israel people. However, anyone can commit to obeying them.

So the Bible was not written for you or any other American Christian lunatic.

No, the whole Bible was written for everybody. The way it was given to whom it was given shows what parts of it are a law for which people, and which peoples parts of it are not a law for.

The New Testament is law for everybody. But it is a law of love and salvation faith for everybody. In it is found freedom. But such freedom only remains if there is faith and love.

Hmm, so you decide which laws apply to you, and which do not?  What ingenious algorithm do you use, round-robin cherry-picking?
 
You are a joke.

Slavery is wrong, always was, and always will be.  

The morality in the Bible is abhorrent.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0

[BADecker]

Are the 10 commandments given by God to all people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXZ8KuvY7E

The essence of the Ten Commandments as they are written in the hearts of all people are given to all people.

The official Ten Commandments as they are given in the Bible, were given only to the Ancient Israel people. However, anyone can commit to obeying them.

So the Bible was not written for you or any other American Christian lunatic.

No, the whole Bible was written for everybody. The way it was given to whom it was given shows what parts of it are a law for which people, and which peoples parts of it are not a law for.

The New Testament is law for everybody. But it is a law of love and salvation faith for everybody. In it is found freedom. But such freedom only remains if there is faith and love.

Hmm, so you decide which laws apply to you, and which do not?  What ingenious algorithm do you use, round-robin cherry-picking?
 
You are a joke.

Slavery is wrong, always was, and always will be.  

The morality in the Bible is abhorrent.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0

No, slavery wasn't and isn't always wrong. Why do you want to take away the freedom of people so much? Do you think that they are making such a big mistake by using their freedom to voluntarily go into slavery, that you just have to save them from their wrong thinking, before they hurt themselves? So you want to bind people into your slavery by not allowing them to voluntarily go into slavery.

You slaver, you.

The Bible is about Jesus salvation. Nobody is forcing you into salvation. Everybody is allowing you to freely go into the slavery of eternal destruction. But you want to make everybody go into the slavery of destruction, by preaching that the Bible is bad.

You hypocritical slaver, you.

[af_newbie]

Are the 10 commandments given by God to all people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXZ8KuvY7E

The essence of the Ten Commandments as they are written in the hearts of all people are given to all people.

The official Ten Commandments as they are given in the Bible, were given only to the Ancient Israel people. However, anyone can commit to obeying them.

So the Bible was not written for you or any other American Christian lunatic.

No, the whole Bible was written for everybody. The way it was given to whom it was given shows what parts of it are a law for which people, and which peoples parts of it are not a law for.

The New Testament is law for everybody. But it is a law of love and salvation faith for everybody. In it is found freedom. But such freedom only remains if there is faith and love.

Hmm, so you decide which laws apply to you, and which do not?  What ingenious algorithm do you use, round-robin cherry-picking?
 
You are a joke.

Slavery is wrong, always was, and always will be.  

The morality in the Bible is abhorrent.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1367154.0

No, slavery wasn't and isn't always wrong. Why do you want to take away the freedom of people so much? Do you think that they are making such a big mistake by using their freedom to voluntarily go into slavery, that you just have to save them from their wrong thinking, before they hurt themselves? So you want to bind people into your slavery by not allowing them to voluntarily go into slavery.

You slaver, you.

The Bible is about Jesus salvation. Nobody is forcing you into salvation. Everybody is allowing you to freely go into the slavery of eternal destruction. But you want to make everybody go into the slavery of destruction, by preaching that the Bible is bad.

You hypocritical slaver, you.

Slavery is and always was wrong.  Your moral compass is broken.

People who know that slavery is wrong are better than your Yahweh. 

You, however, are a sadistic piece of shit, just like your Yahweh.

[BADecker]

No, slavery wasn't and isn't always wrong. Why do you want to take away the freedom of people so much? Do you think that they are making such a big mistake by using their freedom to voluntarily go into slavery, that you just have to save them from their wrong thinking, before they hurt themselves? So you want to bind people into your slavery by not allowing them to voluntarily go into slavery.

You slaver, you.

The Bible is about Jesus salvation. Nobody is forcing you into salvation. Everybody is allowing you to freely go into the slavery of eternal destruction. But you want to make everybody go into the slavery of destruction, by preaching that the Bible is bad.

You hypocritical slaver, you.

Slavery is and always was wrong.  Your moral compass is broken.

People who know that slavery is wrong are better than your Yahweh.  

You, however, are a sadistic piece of shit, just like your Yahweh.

Well, thank you for admitting you are a wrongdoer. There are a lot of people who won't admit it, especially when they do the wrong they talk against... like you doing slavery, or at least attempted slavery.

[styca]

Science is extremely limited truth, plus the acknowledgement of not being sure of anything (science theory).

Let God show us the great truths that science will never be able to figure out on its own.

The greatest strength of science is the admission of when things are wrong. Science is the bedrock of proven facts that underpins the modern world. And science also contains theories and hypotheses that might be true and might not, but just need more evidence to determine either way. If it's wrong, it's wrong, and science will move in a new direction.

One thing I find really distasteful about religion is the absolute unquestioning moral certainty. It's like a kid saying something and then rather than hear a rebuttal just sticking their hands over their ears and singing 'la la la I can't hear you'.

We should question everything.

Religion questions nothing. It is certainty handed to you on a plate. You are explicitly told not to question it.

[BADecker]

Science is extremely limited truth, plus the acknowledgement of not being sure of anything (science theory).

Let God show us the great truths that science will never be able to figure out on its own.

The greatest strength of science is the admission of when things are wrong. Science is the bedrock of proven facts that underpins the modern world. And science also contains theories and hypotheses that might be true and might not, but just need more evidence to determine either way. If it's wrong, it's wrong, and science will move in a new direction.

One thing I find really distasteful about religion is the absolute unquestioning moral certainty. It's like a kid saying something and then rather than hear a rebuttal just sticking their hands over their ears and singing 'la la la I can't hear you'.

We should question everything.

Religion questions nothing. It is certainty handed to you on a plate. You are explicitly told not to question it.

You are mixing real science (reality) with the science that scientists express.

[inanilujimi]

Moral is a set of values that contain rules, ways of life, customs, and institutions that are influenced by socio-cultural values and of individuals or groups of society. These regulations contain good and bad standards of human behavior in the eyes of the surroundings. Meanwhile, religion is a system that regulates the order of faith (belief) and worship of Almighty God and the rules that relate to human relations and humans.
the two are connected to each other so they are inseparable.

[styca]

You are mixing real science (reality) with the science that scientists express.

There's a distinction? Science is specifically the results that scientists express. Sure there are unproven theories, that's how science progresses, by having ideas and then testing them. Established science means established facts. If the theory is disproven, then science heads off in a different direction, always on the search for more facts.

[af_newbie]

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True and pure religion goes above and beyond simple morality. It goes into extending one's self into loving and helping those in need.
...

It sure does. Religion is for bloodthirsty psychopaths.