Religion and Morality.

[styca]

Totally true about bible then and now. Anything in the bible that is disproven by science, or offensive to modern morality, the stock response is oh yeah that bit is a metaphor.

[CryptocurencyKing]

You know, I believe that conscience is the best religion ever.
If you don't have it, you have no god inside you. Simple 

For me,  the idea of religion is very much based on your conscience. Your perception of right and wrong. Religion though is said to be based on faith does very much relies on a persons conscience. This is what determines for good morals which is adviced and thought in every religion.

[BADecker]

You know, I believe that conscience is the best religion ever.
If you don't have it, you have no god inside you. Simple 

For me,  the idea of religion is very much based on your conscience. Your perception of right and wrong. Religion though is said to be based on faith does very much relies on a persons conscience. This is what determines for good morals which is adviced and thought in every religion.

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

[BADecker]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3g6mXLEKk

No contradictions. Simply lack of context.     

[Naida_BR]

You know, I believe that conscience is the best religion ever.
If you don't have it, you have no god inside you. Simple 

For me,  the idea of religion is very much based on your conscience. Your perception of right and wrong. Religion though is said to be based on faith does very much relies on a persons conscience. This is what determines for good morals which is adviced and thought in every religion.

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

[BADecker]

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

There isn't any proof, scientific or otherwise, that science will always be able to even touch everything... to say nothing about proving it.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't been able to readily find or conduct experiments on the soul. But we are getting closer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo.

[BADecker]

People are religious beings. Our religion is our attempt to work with the future, a thing that we know imperfectly, and that we really don't know anything about.

If we didn't have the idea religion built right into us, we would operate our lives in fear of the unknown. The orderliness of aspects of the universe gives us hope that things will work out well for us. If we have no other religion, then this is our religion. Often we want more than something as simple as orderliness.

I think that all religions have been created due to the fact that people are afraid of dead.
Believing in something makes us think that there is another world on the "other side" and our relatives are waiting with our God.
There is not any scientific proof what happens after death.

There isn't any proof, scientific or otherwise, that science will always be able to even touch everything... to say nothing about proving it.

The evidence for this is that science hasn't been able to readily find or conduct experiments on the soul. But we are getting closer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo.

When was last time religion found any evidence of anything?  
At least with science, you can see its usefulness.  Progress is made, the quality of our lives is improved.

Why do we even have religions?  What are they good for?

PS. Harry Potter books are not evidence of Harry Potter's existence.

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

[BADecker]

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.

So said^^ by the science-religion guy who doesn't even realize that atheism is only his religion.

    

[BADecker]

You talk so silly. The science religion you adore is finding new stuff all the time. Most of the formal religions have found some of the basics already. Science often tries to ignore the basics because it isn't smart enough to see that religion has it right.

All your nonsensical posts stem from the fact that you don't know what science is.

So said^^ by the science-religion guy who doesn't even realize that atheism is only his religion.

    

The scientific method will always be better than faith in discovering the truth.  You would not know it because you do not understand what science is and how science operates.

It is not the label that matters, what epistemic tools it provides is far more important.

My point exactly! You have faith in scientists and the media, that what they tell you is the truth, and that they discovered the truth by scientific methods. Do you have proof that they are telling you the truth? Did you watch them do their scientific methods. If you only read about it in their white papers, did you really understand what you were reading? If you understood it, did you do the tests to make sure that they were right? Or did you just believe it out of faith?

The Bible has all kinds of morality written into it. And it has punishment written in, for those who don't keep the morality. And it is the record of what happened to those who didn't keep the morality and what happened to those who did. And it shows how God both punishes those who disobey, and rewards those who obey, and how those who are repentant find Jesus-salvation.

The point is, people have faith all over the place in this life. Nothing that anyone does is ever done without at least a little bit of faith.

God is shown to exist in the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. The highest and best morality is to honor and respect God since we have been made by Him. Since we live by faith, we have religion. The religion of honoring God is the best morality that we can have.

So, have you done all the experiments that you believe in? Or are you only trusting that others aren't lying to you? Be moral and tell us the truth, now.

[BADecker]

My point exactly! You have faith in scientists and the media, that what they tell you is the truth, and that they discovered the truth by scientific methods. Do you have proof that they are telling you the truth? Did you watch them do their scientific methods. If you only read about it in their white papers, did you really understand what you were reading? If you understood it, did you do the tests to make sure that they were right? Or did you just believe it out of faith?

The Bible has all kinds of morality written into it. And it has punishment written in, for those who don't keep the morality. And it is the record of what happened to those who didn't keep the morality and what happened to those who did. And it shows how God both punishes those who disobey, and rewards those who obey, and how those who are repentant find Jesus-salvation.

The point is, people have faith all over the place in this life. Nothing that anyone does is ever done without at least a little bit of faith.

God is shown to exist in the machinery of the universe. Machines have makers. The highest and best morality is to honor and respect God since we have been made by Him. Since we live by faith, we have religion. The religion of honoring God is the best morality that we can have.

So, have you done all the experiments that you believe in? Or are you only trusting that others aren't lying to you? Be moral and tell us the truth, now.

If you use the same measuring tape (scientific method) it does not matter where in the world you measure a 3' stick, it will still be 3' in length, regardless of where the measurement was taken.

I have conducted many Physics, Biology and Chemistry experiments by myself in my schooling.  Did I verify experimentally every single scientific theory or law?  Of course not, I do not need to.  I can look at the results the scientists produced and I rely on the verification by other scientists.  At no point, I have faith in any scientific results.  That is the point of science, you don't need faith when you have facts.

But you would know this because you were inoculated to science early on in your homeschooling if you have any schooling at all.

Your faith is in the other scientists. However, if you have faith that a 3' stick will remain 3' wherever in the world you measure it, you are having faith in God that He is holding physics in place. So, your faith isn't in the facts. It is in God that He will maintain the facts as facts.

We are finding that standard vaccines are producing more of the disease that they are supposed to be inoculating against. Check all the posts in the vaccine threads to find the links to the evidence and proof. So, I guess being inoculated to science means that I have more of it.

[BADecker]

Your faith is in the other scientists. However, if you have faith that a 3' stick will remain 3' wherever in the world you measure it, you are having faith in God that He is holding physics in place. So, your faith isn't in the facts. It is in God that He will maintain the facts as facts.

We are finding that standard vaccines are producing more of the disease that they are supposed to be inoculating against. check all the posts in the vaccine threads to find the links to the evidence and proof. So, I guess being inoculated to science means that I have more of it.

You cannot have faith in facts.  You have faith when you don't have facts.

I trust scientists to produce objective results.  Why? Because their results can be verified.  No scientist can put out bullshit and not be challenged.

I don't get it that this simple concept is so hard for you to understand.

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

[BADecker]

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

You have said a lot of nonsense on this forum.  Keep them coming.

If all religious blokes are like you, religions will disappear in 2-3 generations.

LOL!

The Bible is the most despised, derided, denied, disputed, dissected, and debated book in all of history. This Bible has been under attack for centuries, for everything you can imagine.

Yet the Bible is still the most read, most published, and most translated book in the world. And, most importantly, it’s still changing the lives of those who apply what it teaches.

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Voltaire, the famous French philosopher, was a brilliant atheist. He wrote a number of tracts deriding the Bible. He once made a very bold statement: “One hundred years from today the Bible will be a forgotten book.”

Today, everyone has forgotten that quote — not the Bible! After Voltaire died, for nearly 100 years, his homestead was used as the book depository for the French Bible Society. They sold Bibles out of his house! It’s now a museum. People have forgotten Voltaire. Nobody forgets the Bible.

[BADecker]

Scientists are challenged all the time. What do you think a change in their scientific theory is? Have you forgotten that the only fact in a science theory is that it is a theory? The object of the theory isn't a fact. If it were, the theory wouldn't be a theory.

The only reason you understand that you know facts rather than having faith in them, is because I have mentioned it over and over in this forum.

You have said a lot of nonsense on this forum.  Keep them coming.

If all religious blokes are like you, religions will disappear in 2-3 generations.

LOL!

The Bible is the most despised, derided, denied, disputed, dissected, and debated book in all of history. This Bible has been under attack for centuries, for everything you can imagine.

Yet the Bible is still the most read, most published, and most translated book in the world. And, most importantly, it’s still changing the lives of those who apply what it teaches.

...

Voltaire, the famous French philosopher, was a brilliant atheist. He wrote a number of tracts deriding the Bible. He once made a very bold statement: “One hundred years from today the Bible will be a forgotten book.”

Today, everyone has forgotten that quote — not the Bible! After Voltaire died, for nearly 100 years, his homestead was used as the book depository for the French Bible Society. They sold Bibles out of his house! It’s now a museum. People have forgotten Voltaire. Nobody forgets the Bible.

Illiad and Odyssey are still around.  Your point is?

I KNEW you would come around to acknowledging religion sooner or later.

[styca]

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

Yes. The diminishment of religion over the generations is in large part because science advances continually. Religious 'truth' is just a catch-all term for the stuff that science hasn't uncovered yet. As science advances, the unknown gaps (a.k.a. religion) get smaller.

[BADecker]

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

Yes. The diminishment of religion over the generations is in large part because science advances continually. Religious 'truth' is just a catch-all term for the stuff that science hasn't uncovered yet. As science advances, the unknown gaps (a.k.a. religion) get smaller.

Religion is built into the makeup and the mindset of all people. Even if science was smart enough to understand this today, scientists might not admit it, because they often have a personal religion that wants to know the answer the way they want to know it... rather than what the truth is.

[BADecker]

I really don't know what your point is.  The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

https://barna.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/z-01.jpg

The statistics of how many Bibles there are worldwide, way beyond any works of science, is quite impressive.

The more we delve into the nature of science, the more we praise God that He did it this way.

There have always been people who didn't want to acknowledge God. God will give them what they asked for in the Judgement... no God = Destruction, but...

The death and resurrection of Jesus was the thing that took all the sins of all people for all time. No more sin to punished for. Only gifts according to the faith of the people.

In the Resurrection, everybody will be given a glorified body similar to the Body Jesus received after He arose from the dead. Even the unbelievers will get a glorified body that cannot die.

The believers will get life-with-God that they were asking for - Heaven. The unbelievers will get life-away-from-God that they were asking for - Hell. The everlasting bodies of all of them will keep them alive forever. Even Hell's worst destructive forces will not be able to destroy the life of the unbelievers. But it will be exactly the opposite of fun... staying alive without God.

[BADecker]

I really don't know what your point is.  The Bible will always be the ancient work of literature that it is.

There will always be book fan clubs reading it and salivating at some of the gruesome parts.

What I am saying is that in 2-3 generations more people will recognize it to be weird, ancient mythology, not much else.

If you read books from Voltaire's time, you will realize how much weight the Bible had in his time vs today.

The impact the Bible once had on society has been diminished as it continues to become irrelevant.

https://barna.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/z-01.jpg

The statistics of how many Bibles there are worldwide, way beyond any works of science, is quite impressive.

The more we delve into the nature of science, the more we praise God that He did it this way.

There have always been people who didn't want to acknowledge God. God will give them what they asked for in the Judgement... no God = Destruction, but...

The death and resurrection of Jesus was the thing that took all the sins of all people for all time. No more sin to punished for. Only gifts according to the faith of the people.

In the Resurrection, everybody will be given a glorified body similar to the Body Jesus received after He arose from the dead. Even the unbelievers will get a glorified body that cannot die.

The believers will get life-with-God that they were asking for - Heaven. The unbelievers will get life-away-from-God that they were asking for - Hell. The everlasting bodies of all of them will keep them alive forever. Even Hell's worst destructive forces will not be able to destroy the life of the unbelievers. But it will be exactly the opposite of fun... staying alive without God.

The number of printed copies does not signify much.  The impact the Bible once had on the societies around the world is waning.

That is an observable fact.  As progressive thought takes over, the biblical wisdom is vehemently rejected.

But progressive thinking without God and the Bible fails. But progressive thinking is better if it has God and the Bible. The Voltaire example shows it. History of nations shows it.

As the numbers of copies of the Bible increase, when are you going to realize that there is God-strength in the Bible? If the Bible didn't have strength, it would be done with.

Consider the holy books of religions other than Judaism and Christianity. They are few in number. Why? Because they don't have the strength of God in them. Even the science-religion books don't come near to the strength of the Bible.

Really, the only reason why solid science is as solid as it is, is because God is making it solid. The reason science theories that are against what God says wind up being foolishness, is because they are against what God says.

There have always been people who have rejected God and the Bible. Most of these are dead. But the Bible and God and the people of God live forever.

[BADecker]

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

https://i.imgur.com/SwkNgeB.jpg

But your forgot to read the rest of the way, or to get an understanding of circumcision.

Abraham was stopped by God from killing his son. But because Abraham trusted God enough to do it, he was venerated by God, and became the father of many nations and peoples... people too numerous to count.

Actually, circumcision on the eighth day is beneficial for causing the immune system of a male child to become wildly active... far stronger than any of the claims made for vaccination by any of the medical. And there is more wonderful benefit to circumcision that I won't go into here.

So you see, as usual you speak out of ignorance, and show that your ignorance is deluding you into stupidity.

[BADecker]

This ridiculous cult is force-fed to all uneducated people who do not know which primate family they belong to.

https://i.imgur.com/SwkNgeB.jpg

But your forgot to read the rest of the way, or to get an understanding of circumcision.

Abraham was stopped by God from killing his son. But because Abraham trusted God enough to do it, he was venerated by God, and became the father of many nations and peoples... people too numerous to count.

Actually, circumcision on the eighth day is beneficial for causing the immune system of a male child to become wildly active... far stronger than any of the claims made for vaccination by any of the medical. And there is more wonderful benefit to circumcision that I won't go into here.

So you see, as usual you speak out of ignorance, and show that your ignorance is deluding you into stupidity.

That is simply another of your wild claims.

BTW, circumcision was not started by Jews.  There is physical evidence that Egyptians were practicing it well before written history.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/circumcision

What is next, bloodletting when you get sick to drain the demons out of you?

And we still can't duplicate many of the feats of the ancient Egyptians... at least not with the same kind of primitive methods that they seemed to be using.

Study eighth-day circumcision, and you will find many benefits of it. You speak out of ignorance.

[BADecker]

And we still can't duplicate many of the feats of the ancient Egyptians... at least not with the same kind of primitive methods that they seemed to be using.

Study eighth-day circumcision, and you will find many benefits of it. You speak out of ignorance.

Still, it does not change the fact that Abraham was a schizophrenic who almost killed his son, as the story goes.

There is nothing to study.  Circumcision is bodily mutilation. Perpetuated by primitive people.

I should be thanking you for proving how dumb you are. But I won't, because you are so pitiable.

But, I suppose I should be glad that you at least have religion and morality... well, the religion part, anyway.