Redistribution to the "right hands"

[BelleFra]

Dear All!
How long do you think there will be volatility fluctuation in the market? Do you agree that this is done intentionally and these swings  up and down are arranged by those who do it deliberately and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?
With Best Regards

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[ashmodeus]

Dear All!
How long do you think there will be volatility fluctuation in the market?

well , forever , even if regulations comes, fluctuation still be like that.

Do you agree that this is done intentionally and these swings  up and down are arranged by those who do it deliberately and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?
With Best Regards

however, we are in the "free" market.
people panic, and well, they sell it.
people calm, and well, they hodl it.
basicaly,there is no compulsion at all about that.
so the point, although ur speculation its true, its doesn't matter if u believe about what the stupid old man mcafee says.

[kryptqnick]

Hi. No, I definitely don't agree with that. Fluctuations are natural, this is how Bitcoin is different from regulated currencies. They can be triggered by some events and then enhanced by panic selling (in case the price is going down) or FOMO (in the opposite case). Moreover, when the price is going down sometimes it's about quite the opposite of what you are talking about. Namely, people are dropping Bitcoin to buy it even cheaper and make the system even more decentralized, allowing small players to join the game. At least, such talks were fairly common back in 2018 when the price was going down. I am not a conspiracies' person, I don't see any good reason to believe in them.

[ChrisPop]

Dear All!
How long do you think there will be volatility fluctuation in the market? Do you agree that this is done intentionally and these swings  up and down are arranged by those who do it deliberately and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?
With Best Regards

The volatility fluctuations are simply because of the forever changing balance of buyers and sellers in the market. When prices goes up then there are more buyers then sellers in the market and when price goes down vice-versa. When we are in a consolidation period it means that the balance is somehow at an equilibrium.

Of course that as the market matures and more institutional money flows into the market the price movements will become more compact and you won't see this kind of brutal swings. That's simply because there will be much more liqudity in the order books and it will be much harder to move the price.

[teosanru]

Dear All!
How long do you think there will be volatility fluctuation in the market? Do you agree that this is done intentionally and these swings  up and down are arranged by those who do it deliberately and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?
With Best Regards

Oh yes! It's no secret most of the whales try to manipulate the market to fill their pockets otherwise you could never see such high pumps and dumps. Moreover the sad part is that even our exchanges are pretty much involved in all this as they themselves are paid pretty nicely in all this. This is easier in a deregulated market such as cryptocurrencies. Earlier people used to get caught doing such things in Stocks but cryptocurrencies provide the right amount of volume which one whale can easily manipulate and also provide a nice deregulated platform. I think what everyone is saying about even distribution is true. Bitcoin does becomes evenly distributed for a few days and then a whale makes a pump & Dump to fetch that whole distributed capital back. LOL!

Hi. No, I definitely don't agree with that. Fluctuations are natural, this is how Bitcoin is different from regulated currencies. They can be triggered by some events and then enhanced by panic selling (in case the price is going down) or FOMO (in the opposite case). Moreover, when the price is going down sometimes it's about quite the opposite of what you are talking about. Namely, people are dropping Bitcoin to buy it even cheaper and make the system even more decentralized, allowing small players to join the game. At least, such talks were fairly common back in 2018 when the price was going down. I am not a conspiracies' person, I don't see any good reason to believe in them.

Have a look at orderbook for sometime. You would see a big chunk of order just moving up and down and never being executed until it has snatched the price a lot on either side up or down. I am not saying every exchange is colluded but manipulation is definitely done by people.

[hatshepsut93]

Do you agree that this is done intentionally and these swings  up and down are arranged by those who do it deliberately and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?
With Best Regards

I don't believe in that, because it sounds like yet another conspiracy theory - people talk about it, without showing any evidence - no leaked texts, no names of the suspects, no investigations, just some mysterious whales and manipulators. You can apply Occam's Razor here and make a much simple explanation for volatility - it's simply here, because Bitcoin is still new, still wasn't massively adopted, still has uncertain legal status. I don't see anything anomalous in Bitcoin's market, there's plenty of non-crypto markets that are just as volatile.

[Leonardo7]

We can't say for sure when the market will be stable, it's more like a cycle thing.  As for your allegation of deliberately manipulating the market, there are many sides to this thought, anything is possible, the fundamental analysis does play a major role in the pricing of bitcoin.  

[avikz]

Dear All!
How long do you think there will be volatility fluctuation in the market? Do you agree that this is done intentionally and these swings  up and down are arranged by those who do it deliberately and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?
With Best Regards

You need to understand the concept of a border-less and regulation free market first before discussing about volatility. Crypto market has always been volatile since its inception and this theory of whales manipulating the market was born since then! I wouldn't deny that whales don't manipulate the market for their own benefit, but the impact of such manipulation is not so severe that you portray! Since the whales play in huge volume, a small change in asset price fetch them high value of profit.

The volatility will remain same even after many years because crypto market is truly a border-less market. With no intervention from regulatory and enforcement authorities, no one is going to be penalized for manipulating the market. The decentralized exchanges have made their job even easier because the whales don't have to identify themselves anymore! But here it is, life can't be fair for everyone, right?

[ILuckyGuyI]

There will always be fluctuations in this market. This is the nature of cryptocurrencies. Because there are always people who are panic sellers and they affect the crypto prices with their actions.

[YuginKadoya]

Volatileness is very normal for Bitcoin and there is no such thing as Distribution, but even though there is manipulation with a sudden movement up and down this is not frequent and sometimes even though they want to manipulate the market it sometimes doesn't come accordingly to their plan, but the market isn't just moving because of manipulation panic selling and panic buying can surely affect the market and price of bitcoin you just need to learn how to read the points on where you can see it by looking on previous movements or news article on what possible movement it can take.

[ralle14]

How long do you think there will be volatility fluctuation in the market? Do you agree that this is done intentionally

Fluctuations can't be stopped it can only be reduced once Bitcoin price becomes very high. Sometimes people speculate these movements are done intentionally but even if it was done intentionally they couldn't do it again in the future because Bitcoin's price is expected to increase.

and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?

Not really, even if the whales bought most of the Bitcoins there's still a lot of it to go around and they have to sell it at some point so it'll always be redistributed.

[Kyraishi]

Dear All!
How long do you think there will be volatility fluctuation in the market? Do you agree that this is done intentionally and these swings  up and down are arranged by those who do it deliberately and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?
With Best Regards

I don't think a lot of things that are related to BTC's price are able to be predicted, or done on purpose. It seems like everything that's been happening is all due to random factors, and there hasn't really been any market manipulation in an industry like this.

No one can really foresee or predict fluctuations like these ones - it's just really random and it's the nature of crypto.

It's no Robin Hood story, there's a lot of rich people that have gotten richer, and a lot of poor people that have gotten poorer, due to BTC, BTC doesn't take sides.

[darkangel11]

Yes and no.

Yes, some of it is done deliberately by people with a lot of money. If you had 100 million dollars to play with and could cause a panic or a rally wouldn't you do it? Wouldn't you put 10 million on Binance or Coinbase and the rest in CME futures, wait for the obvious signs of buyer or seller exhaustion and then pump or dump accordingly? I sure would.

No because most of it plays along the same line. You can see a long term uptrend that we are still following on the charts and even if we were to fall to 6k that line would not be broken. We are touching it from time to time and always going up. Is it going to happen again soon? If we get close to 6 get ready because it could be the last time we go there.

[mr3dds]

May be.
It's a big problem facing cryptos. coins are susceptible to manipulation in many ways. This keep happening in all assets and will occur to BTC too.

I actually fell a victim for some of these manipulations before -on a small scale of course

[Kyraishi]

Yes and no.

Yes, some of it is done deliberately by people with a lot of money. If you had 100 million dollars to play with and could cause a panic or a rally wouldn't you do it? Wouldn't you put 10 million on Binance or Coinbase and the rest in CME futures, wait for the obvious signs of buyer or seller exhaustion and then pump or dump accordingly? I sure would.

No because most of it plays along the same line. You can see a long term uptrend that we are still following on the charts and even if we were to fall to 6k that line would not be broken. We are touching it from time to time and always going up. Is it going to happen again soon? If we get close to 6 get ready because it could be the last time we go there.

Didn't actually think of that aspect with whales, so I guess there is a bit of market manipulation that is done by the big players in the market.

I think a lot of small falls or rises may have been started by a whale either dumping or buying a lot of BTC and then causing a snowball effect in the market, with other smaller players following the bandwagon.

Although it's hard to find examples where the prices are heavily manipulated, there are definitely some examples of that happening.

Great post mate.

[Astvile]

Volatility will stick to bitcoin no matter what or how long it will live.
There's a possibility that your assumption can be real that only the whales are making the swings but there's also a big possibility that isn't. Since we are in a market where demand and supply dictate the price of bitcoin.

[dothebeats]

I don't think a lot of things that are related to BTC's price are able to be predicted, or done on purpose.

You can say that in today's times, no such thing as market manipulation exists purposely because no one can really tell if a movement is done manipulatively or not. Note that there are now governing bodies regulating the scene against such actions that traders who were doing just this are now extra careful in their actions, but that doesn't mean they halted with their activities whatsoever.

No one can really foresee or predict fluctuations like these ones - it's just really random and it's the nature of crypto.

I beg to differ. There are some rare occasions when a prediction comes correct especially on situations where there is an expected event happening. Though I agree that volatility and price fluctuation is a common occurrence, one can still be able to guess what's going to happen with the right mix of information and a good eye for details.

[Ailmand]

Btcoin price is driven by the demand and crypto  is actually in the free market. The whales, or those who are rich has even more capability of gathering more crypto and even has the ability to manipulate the market and giving those who has limited amount of money fear by manipulating the price. So, I guess what you mean by redistribution is not happening and crypto will remain volatile.

[pooya87]

How long do you think there will be volatility fluctuation in the market?

until the market grows more and exchanges become safer so that people could feel safe using them and leaving orders open so that the order books could become more packed with orders effectively shrinking volatility.

Do you agree that this is done intentionally and these swings  up and down are arranged by those who do it deliberately and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?

well there is nothing forcing the "weak hands" to sell their coins. it is their own choice. if i tell you to shoot yourself in the foot, it is still your decision whether or not to listen to me

[Wind_FURY]

Dear All!
How long do you think there will be volatility fluctuation in the market?

Until Bitcoin is a market with an average daily volume of trillions?

Do you agree that this is done intentionally and these swings  up and down are arranged by those who do it deliberately and trying to redistribute Bitcoins from millions of small holders in the hands of the richest people of the planet?
With Best Regards

Yes, it's a game of the whale-cumulators, and the plebs. Plebs always lose because most of us don't "buy the dip, and HODL".