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Author Topic: .p2p TLD (bitshares DNS): Profitable (?!). Disinsentives squatting. DPOS.  (Read 7244 times)
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March 26, 2014, 04:38:05 AM
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March 26, 2014, 02:56:27 PM
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How does your proposal deal with the scenario of a company, lets call companyA, who is a very large, rich, hostile company and we also have companyB, a small company who is a new competitor to comapanyA?  Wouldnt companyA just constantly disrupt companyB's DNS operations by buying companyB's DNS out on auctiont?  CompanyA would have a very large incentive to do so, and companyB may not be able to afford to fight it.
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March 27, 2014, 07:30:06 AM
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Interesting. Let's see where this goes.
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March 27, 2014, 12:41:41 PM
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It looks very interesting. What are the advantages to Namecoin?
Not sure I understand how Bitshare the DNS to resolve the problem of cybersquatting?

Because its an aucion and subjected to being auctioned off at anytime to someone willing to pay more than you did.  Though when this happens you do get wht you paid for it plus a tiny bit more returned to you.
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March 27, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
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How does your proposal deal with the scenario of a company, lets call companyA, who is a very large, rich, hostile company and we also have companyB, a small company who is a new competitor to comapanyA?  Wouldnt companyA just constantly disrupt companyB's DNS operations by buying companyB's DNS out on auctiont?  CompanyA would have a very large incentive to do so, and companyB may not be able to afford to fight it.

From watching the video, companyB would have to create an auction for their domain in order for others to bid on it. If they wanted to keep their domain they would simply not auction it and have it indefinitely. My question is how do you claim your domain name to begin with? Does every new domain get auctioned to the highest bidder? If that is the case then the scenario above is a very real threat.



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March 27, 2014, 02:25:26 PM
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From watching the video, companyB would have to create an auction for their domain in order for others to bid on it. If they wanted to keep their domain they would simply not auction it and have it indefinitely...

if companyB is the owner, but the system relies on companyB to put the domain up for auction, then people can squat just like in namecoin.
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March 28, 2014, 02:10:23 PM
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From watching the video, companyB would have to create an auction for their domain in order for others to bid on it. If they wanted to keep their domain they would simply not auction it and have it indefinitely...

if companyB is the owner, but the system relies on companyB to put the domain up for auction, then people can squat just like in namecoin.


What?
Initially nobody owns it. An auction starts. Suppose company B wins. Now the don't have to sell it to company A no matter what. They don't have to start an auction.
Now suppose instead company A wins the initial auction. Too bad, company A owns it.

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March 28, 2014, 02:45:12 PM
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From watching the video, companyB would have to create an auction for their domain in order for others to bid on it. If they wanted to keep their domain they would simply not auction it and have it indefinitely...

if companyB is the owner, but the system relies on companyB to put the domain up for auction, then people can squat just like in namecoin.


What?
Initially nobody owns it. An auction starts. Suppose company B wins. Now the don't have to sell it to company A no matter what. They don't have to start an auction.
Now suppose instead company A wins the initial auction. Too bad, company A owns it.

ok i misunderstood the video then.  Since the video mentioned that the mechanism forced the network to determine the true market value of a name, then I thought that your mechaism to prevent squatting was that anyone could start an auction for it at any time, and the network would then be able to determine the market value that way, with some proceeds being returned to the previous owner to reimburse for their previous purchase.

That was why I thought a hostile company with loads of money would just grab a competitors name.  But if the reality that if you win the initial auction then the name is yours perm, then whats to keep everyone from immediately jumping in as soon as this feature is released and just grabbing tons of names for purposes of squatting?  Sure, its an auction then, but what about future companies that want the name?  Wouldnt this still be squatting?
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March 28, 2014, 02:58:39 PM
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March 28, 2014, 06:27:21 PM
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That was why I thought a hostile company with loads of money would just grab a competitors name.  But if the reality that if you win the initial auction then the name is yours perm, then whats to keep everyone from immediately jumping in as soon as this feature is released and just grabbing tons of names for purposes of squatting?  Sure, its an auction then, but what about future companies that want the name?  Wouldnt this still be squatting?

This is squatting at a *much larger opportunity cost* because you are not earning dividends on the DNS you trade away in exchange for those names or speculating on other names (which is a lot of DNS, you buy them at full price).

Worst case company B who is "unworthy" of owning company.p2p (why are we questioning their ownership anyway? there is no way to avoid SOME kind of land rush...) bought it first but then don't do anything with it and won't sell it at a reasonable price then company A just buys something else. It's like those little old ladies who won't sell their houses in Manhattan. They won't make more off of it than the $75,000,000 they'd get for their lot, we can't really stop that.

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March 28, 2014, 07:17:15 PM
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right, I did see that as the case.  I guess that is about as good as a situation that is possible.  cool stuff, good luck
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Just launched an info site: http://nmushegian.github.io/dns/

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April 04, 2014, 06:00:12 AM
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Just launched an info site: http://nmushegian.github.io/dns/

Great Ill check it out
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Another iteration on the website, this time with much more information. Update OP as well.

http://dotp2p.io

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April 21, 2014, 03:50:05 AM
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So basically this will be a Name Squatting Battlefield Paradise (NSBP).

Because either you get outbid by someone else and thus win some small profit, or you win the bid and plan to make a even greater profit by reselling it.

Your only hope as a developer is that the squatters will fight each other so much that it won't be profitable for the last one, or that it will be expansive to squat a lot of domain names.

My prediction is that it will be a big bubble rush and then people will end up with names that they don't even use.

Question 1 : How will you redistribute the paid money to the network, is it by destroying the coins ?
Question 2 : Will you register a TLD (Top level domain) so that people just have to type the address in their browser ? Because otherwise it's prone to failure ! Unfortunately a TLD is quite expansive and is regulated.
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So basically this will be a Name Squatting Battlefield Paradise (NSBP).

Because either you get outbid by someone else and thus win some small profit, or you win the bid and plan to make a even greater profit by reselling it.

Your only hope as a developer is that the squatters will fight each other so much that it won't be profitable for the last one, or that it will be expansive to squat a lot of domain names.

My prediction is that it will be a big bubble rush and then people will end up with names that they don't even use.

I agree with you about the rush at the start. I think you will see names "bubble up" and then bounce around their perceived market price until someone who can actually make use of that name at that price comes along and snatch it up. The hope is that squatters and ninjas (grabbing expired domains) are faced with a high, concrete opportunity cost.

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Correct. The DAC's unit of account is one BIP, or one billionth of the total share supply. So the share supply would be constantly decreasing while your functional balance would be constantly increasing.
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Question 2 : Will you register a TLD (Top level domain) so that people just have to type the address in their browser ? Because otherwise it's prone to failure ! Unfortunately a TLD is quite expansive and is regulated.
No, we will bypass the existing system entirely. Adoption phases are roughly: manual configuration, friendly browser extension (some 3rd party "killer app"), native browser support.


Great questions, thanks for your post.

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May 06, 2014, 03:43:51 PM
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In recent times I've been very interested in this area (distributed naming systems) and several days ago I collected all my ideas into an article. I think you might be interested. Here is the link to the bitcointalk discussion.
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August 10, 2014, 11:45:41 AM
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If you hold BitShares PTS (formerly known as Protoshares) in your wallet 21th August

you will be given a stake in both BitShares Vote and BitShares DNS.

When BitShares Vote and BitShares DNS launch, you import your BitShares PTS wallet's private key to receive your stake in each (instructions will be given).

This means that you should retain control of the BitShares PTS wallet until Vote and DNS launches.
This means that only the amount of BitShares PTS you held in your wallet at 21th of August will matter to how much stake you get in Vote and DNS.

Also note that this means that BitShares PTS price will fall immediately after August 21th,
as everyone who bought BitShares PTS just to get a stake in Vote and DNS will be free to sell their PTS.

Also note that BTER and BTC38 will take snapshot of your PTS for you, to make it easier for users,
https://bter.com/article/2278
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6705.0

More info on BitShares DNS here,

Video (Draft): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeweF05tT50
Webpage: http://dotp2p.io/ (new webpage will be launched soon)
Final Allocation, https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=6753.0
More info here, http://wiki.bitshares.org/index.php/.p2p_(BitShares_DNS)

More info on BitShares VOTE here,

Developed by FollowMyVote, visit their webpage here, http://followmyvote.com/
BitShares VOTE whitepaper, http://followmyvote.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/The-Key-To-Unlocking-The-Black-Box-Follow-My-Vote.pdf

General info about BitShares here,

http://wiki.bitshares.org/
http://bitshares.org/
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August 13, 2014, 01:45:17 AM
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good

bitshares DNS to the moon

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August 13, 2014, 04:55:39 AM
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BitShares DNS will create competition for domain registrars. The .p2p extensions will scream decentralization.
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