marlboroza : trust abuser

[marcotheminer]

Who copies and pastes someone else's negative feedback after they change it to a neutral. A bit odd to say the least and a bit abusive in reality.

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[marlboroza]

Who copies and pastes someone else's negative feedback after they change it to a neutral.

Someone who was dropped as a child.

[DireWolfM14]

Who copies and pastes someone else's negative feedback after they change it to a neutral.

Someone who was dropped as a child.

At least he got your name right.

[marcotheminer]

Who copies and pastes someone else's negative feedback after they change it to a neutral.

Someone who was dropped as a child.

Let it go mate haha, I redacted that for a reason because it wasn't necessary.. Sorry

[bill gator]

marco, is it possible that two people have a similar take on a single event?

I read through the thread referenced in your negative trust, and it does sound exactly like what they're claiming.

The newbie said they were asking for a loan to increase their trust value, after being questioned why they're using BTC as collateral to borrow less BTC. Then you suggested they purchase alt-coins to use as collateral so that it won't be questioned in the future. Let me know if I'm missing anything, because that's what quick research has lead me to believe.

Couldn't it be that marlboroza believes you deserve negative trust for this, and once it disappeared they felt obligated to add it? I fail to see how this is trust-abuse on any level; I'm still receiving new negative feedback for purchasing my account. Multiple people can rate you for the same thing. Now, I might think that it's excessive, late, redundant, bandwagon, but it's certainly not abuse and not something worth throwing a tantrum over.

[marcotheminer]

Bill will reply to you asap.

@marlboroza can't PM you: I understood that you were saying DadyD was my alt, if I misunderstood sorry about that.

[marlboroza]

@marlboroza can't PM you

I know, I am little paranoid, head trauma from childhood...

Can you PM me a place we can chat like telegram or irc?

I am not privately discussing trust things.

So, what I wanted to say is...well, it is my opinion, you can agree or not - don't care. No one should trust you with money -  I am not saying you are not repaying your debts , but your repayments are out of due, I don't trust such people, call it "many real life experiences". Then this shit with trust farming - I don't think I have to say a single word about it. Than that ponzi shit. Then this ranting around. Then this escrow things with newbie accounts and 40% loans to newbie accounts - you are fooling yourself if you think anyone is buying this story, trust me on this one. Try to change yourself dude, people will maybe remove negative eventually and change it to neutral - but not with attitude you have at the moment. I have changed many negatives to neutral (and removed some), but you don't see that because they won't say a word while people with negative will always make drama. Even cryptohunter never mentioned that I removed negative from her account(even thought many people after that placed -ve on her account(s)) but she will always find a way to shit on me.

Better ask yourself, if you lend me 500$ and and I say I will return it to you at February, and I don't return it, you chase me around and then I return you money on June, would you trust me next time? Lets be real here, you extremely likely wont. What kind of message have you sent with this:



...and you sent them positive trust a day after they confessed they are farming trust. What kind of message you have sent with this:


I gave you my reasoning:

I wouldn't have placed anything if that feedback has been left as it was because it perfectly suits your profile - "helping "newbie" " to farm trust.

I don't think I am no able to think for myself, read my words again. Get real and read my post.

[marcotheminer]

@marlboroza can't PM you

I know, I am little paranoid, head trauma from childhood...

(will update post...)

Can you PM me a place we can chat like telegram or irc?

[suchmoon]

Can you PM me a place we can chat like telegram or irc?

This should be good.

In the mean time you might want to spend a few minutes on trying to spell usernames correctly in your signature instead of this rapid-fire binge-posting you got going on. Kinda defeats the whole idea of asking for reconsideration if you're asking the wrong person.

[marcotheminer]

Who copies and pastes someone else's negative feedback after they change it to a neutral.

Someone who was dropped as a child.

At least he got your name right.

My mistake.

Can you PM me a place we can chat like telegram or irc?

This should be good.

In the mean time you might want to spend a few minutes on trying to spell usernames correctly in your signature instead of this rapid-fire binge-posting you got going on. Kinda defeats the whole idea of asking for reconsideration if you're asking the wrong person.

Ah that's where I misspelt it.. Rapid fire because a lot to reply to, and off soon without much access until a few more hours.. DireWolfM14 my bad.

"This should be good" .. Pm's still blocked I think though. Anyway..

[DireWolfM14]

You seem to have taken a keen interest in DadyD's loans and his ability to get one, to the point where you are willing to take risks despite many red flags.  It really is quite odd, so I'm going to post all of the events that strike me as odd right here in this one post.

In this topic the newbie makes an unconventional loan request, claiming a trusted member (alexrossi) is guaranteeing the loan will be repaid, or is providing escrow.  It's worth noting that alexrossi never publicly confirmed this assertion.

None the less you posted this:

I will quote for reference (as your post stands now).

If all you need is 0.0015BTC I can loan you today, as soon as @alexrossi confirms. No need for collateral for $12.

Still nothing from alexrossi, and no mention if alexrossi has confirmed his guarantee, yet three hours later you post this:  

Confirming that I have sent the amount just now, pleasure to help out. Let's use my staked address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg11077414#msg11077414) as repayment address: 12hYBWiPqfwdveGzpbRdGxeqnoMcNvGNSq

Also, it's worth noting that the address to which you requested repayment hasn't seen any activity since September 23rd.  I know, I know; Yolodice...  But no public mention of any other arrangements being made.  Odd.

12hYBWiPqfwdveGzpbRdGxeqnoMcNvGNSq

Archive of the topic referenced above: https://archive.fo/Yg0l8

19 hours after paying you back the newbie asks Shasan for loan, which he rejects.  You seem to be quite concerned that Shasan has rejected the loan, and proceed to protest on the newbie's behalf.  Odd.

Loan Amount: 0.0015BTC
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.0018BTC
Loan Repay Date: 48h max
Type of Collateral: None
Escrow profile Link: Can found.
Bitcoin Address: 3GmZmYbZKLJ8TyR5mvFEUXwxvbffb1BEpD

Rejected.

Why would you reject - it is with escrow. @DadyD I think you weren't clear enough: would you give 0.0018 BTC into escrow?

When I asked why so much concern, you seem to get defensive.  Odd.

Why would you reject - it is with escrow. @DadyD I think you weren't clear enough: would you give 0.0018 BTC into escrow?

Why is it any of your concern?

Why is it any of your concern why it is any of my concern huh? /s

He had me hold his 0.0018 for the first loan, I tipped it back - I saw here he says no collateral but yes escrow - so shasan should know it's probably what I did. If he knows that and rejected anyway, OK.

Shasan mentioned his suspicion, and you got more defensive and offered to guarantee the loan for this random newbie.  Odd.

I give 0.0018 into escrow so he can pay you if i dont. If you think its a scam you have your motivation. Thanks for your time. And none is using bots...

I don't know either it is scam or not. But I don't think you are doing fair. I think you alter of Marco--. It is just my thinking, I don't know the truth and also I do not want to investigate as I am passing busy time.

Lol I do not know who is controlling DadyD, I just have funds from him to cover 0.0015+10% at least to the lender. microP2Ploans.. $12 is low enough for me to be comfortable involving myself in this deal right now and assuring it..

Archive of the posts in Shasan's lending thread: https://archive.fo/5gUmD

Your continuing to divert attention, and pretend that none of this happened, and deny you were coaching the newbie on how to get a loan without bringing attention to the fact he was just trying to farm trust is typical or everything I've come to expect from you: lies and deceit.

I'm telling you this once and only once:  If I remove my neutral rating it will be to add another negative.  

You just got your answer, so feel free to remove my misspelled name from your signature at your convenience.

[suchmoon]

Was marco angling for shasan to use him (marco) as the escrow in that deal? Obviously marco will claim he was not LOL.

Come to think of it, this whole escrow thing is extremely shady. A deep-neg-trusted user should not be offering escrow services, even assuming the newbie is not his alt.

[marlboroza]

Pm's still blocked I think though. Anyway..

Didn't I say I will update post, didn't I, didn't I?

People here have real life you know. Anyway, if you find something confusing (grammar, structure) we shall go trough it step by step, sorry for bad English.

Was marco angling for shasan to use him (marco) as the escrow in that deal? Obviously marco will claim he was not LOL.

Neither am I helping them get a loan

That is not true either, with all things said in this thread, you indeed tried to help "them" to get loan https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030169.msg52659481#msg52659481

Assure defintion: tell someone something positively to dispel any doubts.

I had enough to cover a 0.0015BTC loan..This is why I wrote what I wrote.

Read my post, read my post, READ MY POST!

[marcotheminer]

I'll address that, he's from country I just moved from so I guess there was a rapport made quicker than usual.

First loan: I just felt OK with risking $12ish for $2.5ish in 48 hours, worth it to me. (Remember I used to loan back in the pre-big-bubble-post-other-bubbles period 2014-2016, so it was just a sense of worthwhile RR ratio). Alexrossi confirmation or not I was willing to send. We spoke in private about the loan.

I was visiting Shasan's thread, I saw he posted there is all and was surprised that Shasan would reject (he's been known to reject easy interest pay days so I chimed in.. it would've been to his own benefit I wasn't poaching).

Defensiveness: sarcasm.. == "/s", it was just as odd you reply to my post than it was for me to reply in Shasan's thread tbh. I gave you my answer underneath. Assuring it means funds being held by me, not me "backing it with my name and own capital", I wasn't insuring it.

I was showing DadyD how to get his loan yes, with collateral. I didn't do so to allow him to gain trusts (that's what all this is about - my negative+neutral + all this typing needed to explain myself lol...). If that's a debate then it's just non-belief in what I say, simple as that.

I'm trying to get a few minds to comprehend I had no malicious intent (this is why I got the negative n'est ce pas?). Thanks for the attitude DireWolfM14 you just confirmed this is much more about emotional games than it is about actually maintaining a proper working forum, hope you get nice highs from these situations or it satisfies your daily desires idk. And it's a forum name, typo nothing more nothing less lol..

You seem to have taken a keen interest in DadyD's loans and his ability to get one, to the point where you are willing to take risks despite many red flags.  It really is quite odd, so I'm going to post all of the events that strike me as odd right here in this one post.

In this topic the newbie makes an unconventional loan request, claiming a trusted member (alexrossi) is guaranteeing the loan will be repaid, or is providing escrow.  It's worth noting that alexrossi never publicly confirmed this assertion.

None the less you posted this:

I will quote for reference (as your post stands now).

If all you need is 0.0015BTC I can loan you today, as soon as @alexrossi confirms. No need for collateral for $12.

Still nothing from alexrossi, and no mention if alexrossi has confirmed his guarantee, yet three hours later you post this:  

Confirming that I have sent the amount just now, pleasure to help out. Let's use my staked address (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.msg11077414#msg11077414) as repayment address: 12hYBWiPqfwdveGzpbRdGxeqnoMcNvGNSq

Also, it's worth noting that the address to which you requested repayment hasn't seen any activity since September 23rd.  I know, I know; Yolodice...  But no public mention of any other arrangements being made.  Odd.

12hYBWiPqfwdveGzpbRdGxeqnoMcNvGNSq

Archive of the topic referenced above: https://archive.fo/Yg0l8

19 hours after paying you back the newbie asks Shasan for loan, which he rejects.  You seem to be quite concerned that Shasan has rejected the loan, and proceed to protest on the newbie's behalf.  Odd.

Loan Amount: 0.0015BTC
Loan Purpose: Personal
Loan Repay Amount: 0.0018BTC
Loan Repay Date: 48h max
Type of Collateral: None
Escrow profile Link: Can found.
Bitcoin Address: 3GmZmYbZKLJ8TyR5mvFEUXwxvbffb1BEpD

Rejected.

Why would you reject - it is with escrow. @DadyD I think you weren't clear enough: would you give 0.0018 BTC into escrow?

When I asked why so much concern, you seem to get defensive.  Odd.

Why would you reject - it is with escrow. @DadyD I think you weren't clear enough: would you give 0.0018 BTC into escrow?

Why is it any of your concern?

Why is it any of your concern why it is any of my concern huh? /s

He had me hold his 0.0018 for the first loan, I tipped it back - I saw here he says no collateral but yes escrow - so shasan should know it's probably what I did. If he knows that and rejected anyway, OK.

Shasan mentioned his suspicion, and you got more defensive and offered to guarantee the loan for this random newbie.  Odd.

I give 0.0018 into escrow so he can pay you if i dont. If you think its a scam you have your motivation. Thanks for your time. And none is using bots...

I don't know either it is scam or not. But I don't think you are doing fair. I think you alter of Marco--. It is just my thinking, I don't know the truth and also I do not want to investigate as I am passing busy time.

Lol I do not know who is controlling DadyD, I just have funds from him to cover 0.0015+10% at least to the lender. microP2Ploans.. $12 is low enough for me to be comfortable involving myself in this deal right now and assuring it..

Archive of the posts in Shasan's lending thread: https://archive.fo/5gUmD

Your continuing to divert attention, and pretend that none of this happened, and deny you were coaching the newbie on how to get a loan without bringing attention to the fact he was just trying to farm trust is typical or everything I've come to expect from you: lies and deceit.

I'm telling you this once and only once:  If I remove my neutral rating it will be to add another negative.  

You just got your answer, so feel free to remove my misspelled name from your signature at your convenience.

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Was marco angling for shasan to use him (marco) as the escrow in that deal? Obviously marco will claim he was not LOL.

Come to think of it, this whole escrow thing is extremely shady. A deep-neg-trusted user should not be offering escrow services, even assuming the newbie is not his alt.

I don't think I was - he would never have gone for it, but pretty sure I already had the funds on me so it could've been an option now that you mention it.

Ah again .. misunderstanding after misunderstanding I did not offer escrow, I had DadyD's tip in YoloDice which he had sent to me - he asked me to keep it "as his escrow" and I agreed to that not knowing what I was in for. It tugged a few strings though that's for sure, I was just helping someone out who needed the 0.002 or wtvr tip on YoloDice to remain there.

Deep neg? I'm halfhalf I'd say. Trusted by some, disliked by others.

Pm's still blocked I think though. Anyway..

Didn't I say I will update post, didn't I, didn't I?

People here have real life you know. Anyway, if you find something confusing (grammar, structure) we shall go trough it step by step, sorry for bad English.

I thought you meant the one in meta? I locked it, so you can repost here or edit the one above if that works or was the plan.

[DireWolfM14]

Was marco angling for shasan to use him (marco) as the escrow in that deal? Obviously marco will claim he was not LOL.

Even more odd; I think he was "assuring" that the newbie would pay back.

I'll address that, he's from country I just moved from so I guess there was a rapport made quicker than usual.

I think mdayonliner exhausted that excuse.

[marcotheminer]

Assure defintion: tell someone something positively to dispel any doubts.

I had enough to cover a 0.0015BTC loan..This is why I wrote what I wrote.

[marlboroza]

I'll address that, he's from country I just moved from so I guess there was a rapport made quicker than usual.

I think mdayonliner exhausted that excuse.

I thought of him several times today. Hmm...I wonder why.
@marcothesschmuck read my post. You are making fool of yourself at the moment. Sometimes is better to be honest   

[suchmoon]

Was marco angling for shasan to use him (marco) as the escrow in that deal? Obviously marco will claim he was not LOL.

Even more odd; I think he was "assuring" that the newbie would pay back.

That's why I'm asking. This "assurance" sounded to me like marco was telling shasan "I'm the escrow, y u no lend?".

I thought you meant the one in meta? I locked it, so you can repost here or edit the one above if that works or was the plan.

Just scroll up and read marlboroza's edited post, how hard can it be to slow down for a few seconds?

Assure defintion: tell someone something positively to dispel any doubts.

I had enough to cover a 0.0015BTC loan..This is why I wrote what I wrote.

Which makes zero difference to anyone unless you're trying to imply that you're some sort of independent trusted third party, the word for which escapes me right now... wait, let's ask someone really smart that you absolutely trust, what was it that you were trying to do?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190854.msg52685004#msg52685004

As for backing out before his 2nd loan demand - I gave the 1st loan because I saw it as a fair risk/reward. That's how you loan at the end of the day, what he does with funds is none of my business. Then the 2nd one came around with me as escrow, I didn't think anything bad of it until he posted what he did.

[yahoo62278]

@marcotheminer you can keep or remove my name from your sig space, doesn't matter to me either way. As for why you were removed, I told you I was giving you a chance as long as no other bs popped up. Well this trust bs popped up. I'm not gonna have you in a campaign getting paid to defend your reputation. Would have been better just to not be involved don't ya think?


As far as marlboroza being a trust abuser, trust is not moderated so who cares? You already had 8 DT members hitting you with neg rep, what's 1 more at this point? He will have his opinion, you have your rebuttal. Move on. He either accepts your reply and removes the mark or does not and the mark stays. Seems like the more you reply, the more he wants to keep his feedback there.

[marlboroza]

As far as marlboroza being a trust abuser, trust is not moderated so who cares? You already had 8 DT members hitting you with neg rep, what's 1 more at this point?

Actually, he had 3 -ve before my so we could talk about "5 abusers" "after me"....

[DadyD]

As far as marlboroza being a trust abuser, trust is not moderated so who cares? You already had 8 DT members hitting you with neg rep, what's 1 more at this point?

Actually...He received 5 negative feedbacks in the same post, not to mention that some of the users who left feedback did not even respond to the thread. Not even the lender left the negative feedback, only the others. If those 5 negative feedbacks are to be considered as 5 negative actions, then we might as well spam the forum of new users and send negative feedback to everyone, who cares so much just the numbers count, right?

and just to be fair in this situation...@marco Stop saying contradictory things ... I know you're panicked and you're trying to get out of it but believe me, I'm taking you in, I see you're digging your own pit ...Sorry for seing that but its the truth...your changing your version of facts..I hope everything goes well...

[yahoo62278]

As far as marlboroza being a trust abuser, trust is not moderated so who cares? You already had 8 DT members hitting you with neg rep, what's 1 more at this point?

Actually...He received 5 negative feedbacks in the same post, not to mention that some of the users who left feedback did not even respond to the thread. Not even the lender left the negative feedback, only the others. If those 5 negative feedbacks are to be considered as 5 negative actions, then we might as well spam the forum of new users and send negative feedback to everyone, who cares so much just the numbers count, right?

When I say 8 I was just going by what I see looking at his score.



Either way it's still not a big deal that needs to be addressed publicly. Personal messages are there for a reason, unless they have 1 another blocked. If that's the case then likely it wouldn't get the result he wanted anyways.

You spin it however you want to spin it man. I could care less.

[marlboroza]

Actually...He received 5 negative feedbacks in the same post, not to mention that some of the users who left feedback did not even respond to the thread. Not even the lender left the negative feedback, only the others. If those 5 negative feedbacks are to be considered as 5 negative actions, then we might as well spam the forum of new users and send negative feedback to everyone, who cares so much just the numbers count, right?

How newbie trust farmer knows so much about forum's trust system? Unless they are not newbie...

[DadyD]

Actually...He received 5 negative feedbacks in the same post, not to mention that some of the users who left feedback did not even respond to the thread. Not even the lender left the negative feedback, only the others. If those 5 negative feedbacks are to be considered as 5 negative actions, then we might as well spam the forum of new users and send negative feedback to everyone, who cares so much just the numbers count, right?

How newbie trust farmer knows so much about forum's trust system? Unless they are not newbie...

I'm using my brain...and before to accuse other to be alt, bring proof. Bring constructive messagges and constructive opinions otherwhise your just growing up your post count.

As far as marlboroza being a trust abuser, trust is not moderated so who cares? You already had 8 DT members hitting you with neg rep, what's 1 more at this point?

Actually...He received 5 negative feedbacks in the same post, not to mention that some of the users who left feedback did not even respond to the thread. Not even the lender left the negative feedback, only the others. If those 5 negative feedbacks are to be considered as 5 negative actions, then we might as well spam the forum of new users and send negative feedback to everyone, who cares so much just the numbers count, right?

When I say 8 I was just going by what I see looking at his score.

https://i.imgur.com/e2TKdOj.png

Either way it's still not a big deal that needs to be addressed publicly. Personal messages are there for a reason, unless they have 1 another blocked. If that's the case then likely it wouldn't get the result he wanted anyways.

You spin it however you want to spin it man. I could care less.

In spin in the "right" way....your counting numbers, i count constructive and truhtly feedback..Keep your work up, have a good one.

[suchmoon]

Am I the only one cringing at this newbie defending marco, even regarding marco's past transgressions?

How newbie trust farmer knows so much about forum's trust system? Unless they are not newbie...

Ok, I'm not the only one

[marlboroza]

I'm using my brain...and before to accuse other to be alt, bring proof.

No, you don't and no, I don't have to. You are certainly someone's alt.

Bring constructive messagges and constructive opinions otherwhise your just growing up your post count.

2. Posts [...] or under 100 characters will not be paid.

Oh fuck, I missed 5 characters. Quoted for record, brand new newbie account trust farmer knows something about signature post count. So, Mr Trust Farm where is abuse?

[DadyD]

Am I the only one cringing at this newbie defending marco, even regarding marco's past transgressions?

How newbie trust farmer knows so much about forum's trust system? Unless they are not newbie...

Ok, I'm not the only one

I'm defending him becouse its my fault (almost) if hes in this situation and i try to def him in hope that he will get a less punishment...And about hes past, i dont judge him, he was a nice person to me and i do same..Hard to understand that?
Guys, tell to some moderator to track my ip or do it by youraelf if your able and you'll see this is my only accounnt here.

I'm using my brain...and before to accuse other to be alt, bring proof.

No, you don't and no, I don't have to. You are certainly someone's alt.

Bring constructive messagges and constructive opinions otherwhise your just growing up your post count.

2. Posts [...] or under 100 characters will not be paid.

https://i.imgur.com/zoze89b.png

Oh fuck, I missed 5 characters. Quoted for record, brand new newbie account trust farmer knows something about signature post count. So, Mr Trust Farm where is abuse?

Keep you idea up ma friend...one day you'll accept that fact And just to be fair, i even mentioned the word "abuse" Have a good day, i'm going to work.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Who copies and pastes someone else's negative feedback after they change it to a neutral.

That isn't trust abuse by itself.  It could well be that marlboroza thought the neutral feedback should have remained a negative.  And as far as copying someone's feedback, I've seen that happen many times.  For instance, Lauda and I often have left the same feedback "Account sellers are not to be trusted".  Other members have left the same feedback as well--and as long as the sentiment is genuine, I don't have a problem with that. 

Lots of idiots around here have abused the trust system and continue to do so.  Marlboroza isn't one of them, though.

You are certainly someone's alt.

Of course he is.  I'd be willing to bet whose alt it is, too.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Guys, tell to some moderator to track my ip or do it by youraelf if your able and you'll see this is my only accounnt here.

You are sounding more and more like mdayonliner with each post.

[marcotheminer]

Ok we've veered off course .. I'll have to catch up.

Let's try not to fall into the whose-who alt game. Fact is we can never know for sure - all I can say is I have no idea who is behind DadyD..

[marlboroza]

Ok we've veered off course .. I'll have to catch up.

Let's try not to fall into the whose-who alt game. Fact is we can never know for sure - all I can say is I have no idea who is behind DadyD..

Good for you. What this has to do with this thread?

Now go and tell your buddy who btw logged in somewhere at the same time as you to answer me in lending thread, I have to go to bed.

[morvillz7z]

I don't know if it was discussed before (if so, apologies...i went through those few threads quickly) but i'd like to make a very small point about alexrossi and his involvement in all this.

DadyD's original loan request topic was posted a day earlier in the Italian local board, where alexrossi confirms that he will serve as an escrow/guarantee or whatever his position might be.

As i said, just a small detail, nothing more.

[marcotheminer]

Ok we've veered off course .. I'll have to catch up.

Let's try not to fall into the whose-who alt game. Fact is we can never know for sure - all I can say is I have no idea who is behind DadyD..

Good for you. What this has to do with this thread?

Now go and tell your buddy who btw logged in somewhere at the same time as you to answer me in lending thread, I have to go to bed.

> On this one page of this thread

How newbie trust farmer knows so much about forum's trust system? Unless they are not newbie...

How [...seeabove...] not newbie...

Ok, I'm not the only one
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No, you don't and no, I don't have to. You are certainly someone's alt.

You are certainly someone's alt.

Of course he is.  I'd be willing to bet whose alt it is, too.

Guys, tell to some moderator to track my ip or do it by youraelf if your able and you'll see this is my only accounnt here.

You are sounding more and more like mdayonliner with each post.

All wasted characters, including your snide remarks/"funny" jokes. Not much point in being condescending that way Marlboroza.

Let's discuss what I created the thread for: you copied a trust feedback for the sake of maintaining the worst sentiment on my profile (The Pharmacist had a good point up there about that - regardless if it was "in my favor" or not). Sentiment is never clear headed, in many cases we see it coming from tainted/skewed outlooks/mindsets.

[marlboroza]

Let's discuss what I created the thread for: you copied a trust feedback for the sake of maintaining the worst sentiment on my profile (The Pharmacist had a good point up there about that - regardless if it was "in my favor" or not). Sentiment is never clear headed, in many cases we see it coming from tainted/skewed outlooks/mindsets.

Give me a second, I will change it.

[marcotheminer]

Hey, thanks for removing it.

[marlboroza]

Hey, thanks for removing it.

No problem.

May I kindly ask you to lock thread now, because feedback is no longer copied and pasted? (It seems this c/p was the only problem you had here, at least I am under that impression after reading topic)

Thanks.

[marcotheminer]

Hey, thanks for removing it.

No problem.

May I kindly ask you to lock thread now, because feedback is no longer copied and pasted? (It seems this c/p was the only problem you had here, at least I am under that impression after reading topic)

Thanks.

Now it's just invalid.. "Trust for dust business" well that's a new one at least I'll give you that. Anyway, a bit paranoid in the choice of words to describe this.

[bill gator]

Originally, your concern towards marlboroza was as follows :

copies and pastes someone else's negative feedback

Now you're disagreeing with the wording in other ways. You consistently move the goal-post, avoid actual concerns and try to play semantic games like a bad-linguist. "Trust for Dust" is in reference to the minuscule amount of BTC you were in-line to receive for helping a newbie farm trust illegitimately. There's nothing paranoid about that. As I said earlier, you may disagree, think it's exaggerated or uncalled for, but it is not abuse and they have every right to leave you whatever feedback they see appropriate. The reason we have our trust system is that people can either support a DT user's thought-process, exclude them or have no weight in that decision if they choose. You screeching that everyone rate, think and perceive things the way you'd like them to is only digging yourself further down this rabbit-hole.

We already have a few members around here that rant and rave about how everyone and their mother is against them. You're not going to talk your way out of this, they see you and this situation a certain way and it's unlikely that kicking and screaming will change that.

Additionally, you said you would respond to my other comments earlier in the thread and never did.

[marcotheminer]

Been busy - replying is in order, but anyway dead end here. One "side" sees things one way and the other sees things differently - neither will compromise (well actually DireWolf did somewhat understand my point of view). @Marlboroza will probably remain firm (stubborn?).

[marlboroza]

@Marlboroza will probably remain firm (stubborn?).

I am not sure, I am "unable to think for myself".

[marcotheminer]

Originally, your concern towards marlboroza was as follows :

copies and pastes someone else's negative feedback

Now you're disagreeing with the wording in other ways. You consistently move the goal-post, avoid actual concerns and try to play semantic games like a bad-linguist. "Trust for Dust" is in reference to the minuscule amount of BTC you were in-line to receive for helping a newbie farm trust illegitimately. There's nothing paranoid about that. As I said earlier, you may disagree, think it's exaggerated or uncalled for, but it is not abuse and they have every right to leave you whatever feedback they see appropriate. The reason we have our trust system is that people can either support a DT user's thought-process, exclude them or have no weight in that decision if they choose. You screeching that everyone rate, think and perceive things the way you'd like them to is only digging yourself further down this rabbit-hole.

We already have a few members around here that rant and rave about how everyone and their mother is against them. You're not going to talk your way out of this, they see you and this situation a certain way and it's unlikely that kicking and screaming will change that.

Additionally, you said you would respond to my other comments earlier in the thread and never did.

My aim is to have these 2 recent trusts removed, since they are not necessary..

Helping "newbie account" to farm trust and knowingly acts as an escrow in "trust for dust" farming business.

Don't trust any feedback sent by this account, trust scores are very likely farmed and fake (http://archive.is/xR5uD#selection-2887.3-2887.86).

First, I wasn't helping a newbie farm trust - I suggested how they could obtain a loan (this was their intentions - up until they spoke of gaining trust by completing deals). "Knowingly acts as escrow" > I didn't, when it came to light the trust for deals thing, I pretty soon pulled out - offering to send the BTC to malboroza.

@Malboroza is placing such trust knowing full well the impact it has on my reputation (present and when future members see my profile) and at the time signature campaign payouts (CryptoTalk - removed because of this..).

A neutral feedback outlining how I was caught up in an escrow deal for a newbie looking to gain trust by completing deals can be said, sure. But "helping [...] farm trust", speaking of fake trusts and farming business, is much more than needed.. A genuine slip up brings out the brigade, I get that - but at the same time we notice the 'attack' side of placing these trusts. I'm asking for a neutral standpoint when judging this - malboroza has not done that..

@Bill can you please PM/post your original post I said I'd reply to - I cannot find it.

I know that arguing back and forth is a waste of time. I've explained what's happened and I don't see the need for negative trust at best.

[suchmoon]

I know that arguing back and forth is a waste of time. I've explained what's happened and I don't see the need for negative trust at best.

It is a waste of time indeed. Mostly because you're always right and everyone else is wrong. If you learn to step back and evaluate your actions as seen by other users you might have a better chance to figure out why so many users think you're dishonest and "high risk" to deal with.

[marcotheminer]

I know that arguing back and forth is a waste of time. I've explained what's happened and I don't see the need for negative trust at best.

It is a waste of time indeed. Mostly because you're always right and everyone else is wrong. If you learn to step back and evaluate your actions as seen by other users you might have a better chance to figure out why so many users think you're dishonest and "high risk" to deal with.

Yes, I evaluated my actions. I realise my wrongs, not asking enough questions to the member, and not being clear enough for the whole forum-watchers situation to know my intentions. End of the day, I got caught up in a silly transaction and this was the consequence; so be it. Oh and if by "so many" you mean the DT members on my trust page then sure..

[bill gator]

My aim is to have these 2 recent trusts removed, since they are not necessary..

That is not your call to make.

First, I wasn't helping a newbie farm trust - I suggested how they could obtain a loan ...

You suggested ways for them to obtain the loan, after they explained their intentions of farming trust through unnecessary loans.

@Bill can you please PM/post your original post I said I'd reply to - I cannot find it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190851.msg52685338#msg52685338

My original post is the 4th reply to this thread, post #5. Above is a link to it, but this is why you should do your best to respond to posts when they are in front of you rather than promising to circle back and never doing so.

[suchmoon]

Yes, I evaluated my actions. I realise my wrongs, not asking enough questions to the member, and not being clear enough for the whole forum-watchers situation to know my intentions. End of the day, I got caught up in a silly transaction and this was the consequence; so be it. Oh and if by "so many" you mean the DT members on my trust page then sure..

Yeah... no, that's not it. Again, you're just trying to save your hide without allowing the possibility that other people repeatedly advising you to not get into shady shit might be right.

[marlboroza]

So you quoted bill's post but you didn't actually read it?

@Malboroza is placing such trust knowing full well the impact it has on my reputation (present and when future members see my profile) and at the time signature campaign payouts (CryptoTalk - removed because of this..).

It didn't change your trust score, you had -9 and now you have -9. What exactly has changed, except that you are not able to read yahoo's post.

Actually, it is funny to see DadyD discussed with yahoo about your reputation while you jumped in thread later and acted like yahoo didn't say anything. Actually, you still act like yahoo never posted anything here.

@Malboroza is placing such trust knowing full well the impact it has on my reputation

May I remind you that you are the one who started thread in reputation and pointed to everyone that you tried to (and) help(ed) "newbie" to get trust loan?

[xolxol]

Hes an idiot,this pussy once tried to fool us by making a drama leaving the DT circle but look at him now,he has no balls to do what he’s been planning to do (leaving his DT role) abusive like what other cult members,you are wrong TS hes an abuser & a liar

[marcotheminer]

My aim is to have these 2 recent trusts removed, since they are not necessary..

That is not your call to make.

First, I wasn't helping a newbie farm trust - I suggested how they could obtain a loan ...

You suggested ways for them to obtain the loan, after they explained their intentions of farming trust through unnecessary loans.

@Bill can you please PM/post your original post I said I'd reply to - I cannot find it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190851.msg52685338#msg52685338

My original post is the 4th reply to this thread, post #5. Above is a link to it, but this is why you should do your best to respond to posts when they are in front of you rather than promising to circle back and never doing so.

I can reply in a week, that's still keeping my 'promise'.

If a newbie says he's farming trust but wants a loan with collateral - just don't leave him trust. Or better yet make a mark with neutral saying the loan happened and there was 0 risk involved - so "do not take this transaction as evidence of honesty".

@marl I read yahoo's post I'm pretty sure.

Yes, I evaluated my actions. I realise my wrongs, not asking enough questions to the member, and not being clear enough for the whole forum-watchers situation to know my intentions. End of the day, I got caught up in a silly transaction and this was the consequence; so be it. Oh and if by "so many" you mean the DT members on my trust page then sure..

Yeah... no, that's not it. Again, you're just trying to save your hide without allowing the possibility that other people repeatedly advising you to not get into shady shit might be right.

How do you not see that I agree with you there? It wasn't a shady request imo (loan with collateral - yes BTC for BTC made people shocked - but have you heard of MakerDAO? Same principle.. You can collateralise ETH to buy more ETH) until DadyD wrote of trust gaining.

[bill gator]

I can reply in a week, that's still keeping my 'promise'.

I suppose so, but this discussion shouldn't take a week. You disagree with the feedback somebody left, but you have no say over their feedback; end of discussion.

If a newbie says he's farming trust but wants a loan with collateral - just don't leave him trust. Or better yet make a mark with neutral saying the loan happened and there was 0 risk involved

If somebody admits to farming-trust you want no feedback left, or a neutral feedback - you're free to think this way, but almost nobody agrees with you. The risk you are avoiding is being pushed onto the next person that thinks "eh, this legendary helped him out, so why can't I?"

[marcotheminer]

I can reply in a week, that's still keeping my 'promise'.

I suppose so, but this discussion shouldn't take a week. You disagree with the feedback somebody left, but you have no say over their feedback; end of discussion.

If a newbie says he's farming trust but wants a loan with collateral - just don't leave him trust. Or better yet make a mark with neutral saying the loan happened and there was 0 risk involved

If somebody admits to farming-trust you want no feedback left, or a neutral feedback - you're free to think this way, but almost nobody agrees with you. The risk you are avoiding is being pushed onto the next person that thinks "eh, this legendary helped him out, so why can't I?"

DadyD admitted to trust farming yes. Risk is mitigate .. trusts will still remain. It is the listing of both accounts as such that I don't feel right. But yeah discussion will keep going on forever, the forum's become a game/life to some people it's a shame. 

[lesor]

I know that arguing back and forth is a waste of time. I've explained what's happened and I don't see the need for negative trust at best.

It is a waste of time indeed. Mostly because you're always right and everyone else is wrong. If you learn to step back and evaluate your actions as seen by other users you might have a better chance to figure out why so many users think you're dishonest and "high risk" to deal with.

What offend could someone commit to have such negative trust, I'm scared

[suchmoon]

How do you not see that I agree with you there? It wasn't a shady request imo (loan with collateral - yes BTC for BTC made people shocked - but have you heard of MakerDAO? Same principle.. You can collateralise ETH to buy more ETH) until DadyD wrote of trust gaining.

MakerDAO might make sense for someone who wants a (very expensive and risky) leveraged long on ETH. DadyD didn't gain any leverage with the BTC-to-BTC loan and the fact that you're still coming up with cockamamie excuses for this is just baffling.

[marcotheminer]

How do you not see that I agree with you there? It wasn't a shady request imo (loan with collateral - yes BTC for BTC made people shocked - but have you heard of MakerDAO? Same principle.. You can collateralise ETH to buy more ETH) until DadyD wrote of trust gaining.

MakerDAO might make sense for someone who wants a (very expensive and risky) leveraged long on ETH. DadyD didn't gain any leverage with the BTC-to-BTC loan and the fact that you're still coming up with cockamamie excuses for this is just baffling.

Not an excuse lol, just showing out different scenarios. MakerDAO is well worth it - 12% a year I think?

[JollyGood]

Who copies and pastes someone else's negative feedback after they change it to a neutral. A bit odd to say the least and a bit abusive in reality.

There is absolutely no way marlboroza is a trust abuser.

Which part of his feedback exactly do you disagree with? His feedback for you reads:

2019-03-15
Not repaying loan on time. Don't give this user no collateral loan
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5120044.0)

2019-10-08
Helping "newbie account" to farm trust and knowingly acts as an escrow in "trust for dust" farming business. Don't trust any feedback sent by this account, trust scores are very likely farmed and fake (http://archive.is/xR5uD#selection-2887.3-2887.86)
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190446.0)

[jpcfan]

i think marlboroza and a few others ruined the trust system as theymos had to change it.

before theymos changed it it looked like so bad so many with red text neg trust in most avatars.

i agree most of the time the feedbacks were fair and people deserve them.




just a question. why did theymos change how the trust system looked?


i wouldn't call it trust abuse. but was funny marlboroza giving all the neg. trust back in the day while wearing a fortunejack sig.

i wonder if you ever gave fortunejack any neg. feedback?

as we all know fortune jack isn't on the up n up some of the time.

thanks