What about Gibraltar?

[Jet Cash]

Once again the Irish border is back in the limelight, and it seems to be a major topic that the treasonous remoaners are using to try to force the UK to stay in the imploding EU. They keep saying that the Irish border is the only land border between the UK and the EU, but once again they are ignoring Gibraltar.  One wonders if there is a secret plan to give Gibraltar to Spain.

[Jet Cash]

Gibraltar is part of the UK, and it has a land border with Spain, which is part of the EU. It will obviously need a customs agreement with the EU once we are free of their shackles.

[mpufatzis]

UK has borders with Cyprus as well. Akrotiri and Dhekelia is a British Overseas Territory.
According Wikipedia, there live about 15700 people.
Cyprus is a EU country.

Gibraltar is part of the UK, and it has a land border with Spain, which is part of the EU. It will obviously need a customs agreement with the EU once we are free of their shackles.

[Naida_BR]

Gibraltar is part of the UK, and it has a land border with Spain, which is part of the EU. It will obviously need a customs agreement with the EU once we are free of their shackles.

I didn't know that it is a UK territory. I am sorry.
I don't think that there will be any special agreement for Gibraltar. Every rule which be settled for UK will be effective for Gibraltar as well.

[squatz1]

UK has borders with Cyprus as well. Akrotiri and Dhekelia is a British Overseas Territory.
According Wikipedia, there live about 15700 people.
Cyprus is a EU country.

Gibraltar is part of the UK, and it has a land border with Spain, which is part of the EU. It will obviously need a customs agreement with the EU once we are free of their shackles.

Interesting to see. Though I doubt there's going to be a HARD (or whatever term they're using now) border between the two nations. There's going to most likely be some sort of agreement made for areas that truly do need it, arrangements made to make it easier for people who do business in the overlapping areas to not have too large of issues.

Though then again all of this WILL ONLY HAPPEN if the Eu and the UK can't come to a deal in terms of all of this. At the moment we're just speculating.

[Jet Cash]

I don't believe there will be a deal. Deals include a whole load of political stuff, and we voted to get rid of that. I think there will be a number of trade agrements, and if the EU doesn't change its attitude, then most of them will go elsewhere. The UK dropped its food standards when it entered the EU, and hopefully we will be able to regain those. Much of the quality food at the moment is still produced to the old standards, and if this continues, then the EU farmers and producers will be the losers.

With regards to Southern Ireland, there is an enormous trade with the UK, and they will have a severe economic downturn when we leave the EU if they are not allowed to continue to trade with us. The EU hasn't done them any favours, and in my opinion, their best option would be to leave the EU, and to become a self-governing country again. There is a wealth of talent and resources on the island, and they are quite capable of earning their keep in a competitive world.

[mpufatzis]

Why can't Ireland trade with you, when UK leaves the European Union?
There is no obstacle to doing so, but the two countries (Ireland & UK) have to pay higher customs duties.
The Irish adopted the Euro as a medium of exchange and I believe it is almost impossible to leave the EU and return to their old currency.
You still have the British Pound, it is a lot easier.
However, it is strange, that 3+ years after the referendum, you still have no exit plan.
I have the feeling, your government doesn't want to leave, you are trapped in EU and you just delay it.

I don't believe there will be a deal. Deals include a whole load of political stuff, and we voted to get rid of that. I think there will be a number of trade agrements, and if the EU doesn't change its attitude, then most of them will go elsewhere. The UK dropped its food standards when it entered the EU, and hopefully we will be able to regain those. Much of the quality food at the moment is still produced to the old standards, and if this continues, then the EU farmers and producers will be the losers.

With regards to Southern Ireland, there is an enormous trade with the UK, and they will have a severe economic downturn when we leave the EU if they are not allowed to continue to trade with us. The EU hasn't done them any favours, and in my opinion, their best option would be to leave the EU, and to become a self-governing country again. There is a wealth of talent and resources on the island, and they are quite capable of earning their keep in a competitive world.

[Mometaskers]

One wonders if there is a secret plan to give Gibraltar to Spain.

Gibraltar is too important for the UK to just give back to Spain like it did with Hong Kong.

Why can't Ireland trade with you, when UK leaves the European Union?
There is no obstacle to doing so, but the two countries (Ireland & UK) have to pay higher customs duties.

Isn't this one of the things they are scaring the people with, that goods coming into the UK would become more expensive? That businesses would leave? How free are EU countries to make bilateral agreements with countries outside the bloc or have they lost that power to?

[DaveWave]

One wonders if there is a secret plan to give Gibraltar to Spain.

Gibraltar is too important for the UK to just give back to Spain like it did with Hong Kong.

Spain is not as powerful and influential as China so Gibraltar stays with the UK. I don't think EU will do something different.

However, it is strange, that 3+ years after the referendum, you still have no exit plan.
I have the feeling, your government doesn't want to leave, you are trapped in EU and you just delay it.

There are still many influential leaders and politicians in the UK that wanted to stay with the EU. Before there were even plans of a re-vote and that the second one won't be including the whole populace.   

[RealSoldier]

Once again the Irish border is back in the limelight, and it seems to be a major topic that the treasonous remoaners are using to try to force the UK to stay in the imploding EU. They keep saying that the Irish border is the only land border between the UK and the EU, but once again they are ignoring Gibraltar.  One wonders if there is a secret plan to give Gibraltar to Spain.

I think that Britain made the right decision to leave the European Union. Since the policy of migrants is now quite dangerous for the locals.

[styca]

Once again the Irish border is back in the limelight, and it seems to be a major topic that the treasonous remoaners are using to try to force the UK to stay in the imploding EU. They keep saying that the Irish border is the only land border between the UK and the EU, but once again they are ignoring Gibraltar.  One wonders if there is a secret plan to give Gibraltar to Spain.

The Irish border issue can't be solved. I think that's the fundamental problem.

1) The Republic of Ireland is in the EU.
2) The UK must leave the EU.
3) There must be no hard border between the Republic and Northern Ireland.
4) There must be no border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.

Where do you put the border, then? One of these points has to give. At the moment, the "plan" is to ditch point 4, set fire to the Good Friday Agreement, reignite the Troubles, bring the IRA out of retirement, and press on towards the reunification of Ireland. It's a good job the people in charge know what they're doing... It's not just that incompetent arrogant fool Johnson, he's also backed by people like Dominic Raab who doesn't understand how sea works (to paraphrase Stewart Lee).

[styca]

I've been waiting for over 24 hours now for Jet Cash to shoot me down. No response yet. This is a bit of a concern. I have no choice really but to assume complete agreement with my last post

[KingScorpio]

Once again the Irish border is back in the limelight, and it seems to be a major topic that the treasonous remoaners are using to try to force the UK to stay in the imploding EU. They keep saying that the Irish border is the only land border between the UK and the EU, but once again they are ignoring Gibraltar.  One wonders if there is a secret plan to give Gibraltar to Spain.

you are a nazi

[franky1]

the solution for north/south ireland is simple

no customs inland. but as soon as goods reach the water ports to go to either mainland britain or mainland europe then customs apply

this whole thing is silly.
its like imagining a prison and an ex-con getting released but then the prison phones him and says
'to stop you getting back in we want you to pay for a wall'
excon has all their rights to laugh and say
'sorry the wall is to keep prisoners in and not let them out, if you want a wall, you build it'

imagine it like owning farmland. if you dont want your farm animals escaping and you dont want people tresspassing on your land unless they pay a visitor fee.. its the farmer who has to build the fensing.. not the neighbours

britain has no obligation to build a 'hard border'.. its up to europe to foot that cost should they wish too.

funny part of all this is.. america has no issus with northern or souther ireland or europe and they aint even EU members.. so to even think we will actually have issues is just media and political mumbo jumbo

in my view its just preaching a fake problem, then when the problem doesn manifest, the preacher proclaims himself king of solving the problem. even when the problem was not a problem

[styca]

the solution for north/south ireland is simple

no customs inland. but as soon as goods reach the water ports to go to either mainland britain or mainland europe then customs apply

It's not that simple though. Northern Ireland, largely due to English inference over the centuries, is an absolute mess. Loyalists and Republicans are always at each others throats. An uneasy true was brokered with the Good Friday Agreement, which by some miracle has held firm these last couple of decades.

Johnson's fuckwit "plan" is not just stupid, it's profoundly irresponsible. He may as well just roll the tanks back out into Belfast.

A border between the Republic and N Ireland will not be accepted. Equally no border across Ireland, but a de facto border in the Irish Sea will not be accepted. There's no obvious solutions other than a) The UK remains in the EU, or b) the UK leaves the EU and the Republic leaves as well.

You can't have Republic in and UK out, whilst simultaneously not opening the gates of hell in N Ireland.

[Jet Cash]

I've been waiting for over 24 hours now for Jet Cash to shoot me down.

There is no problem with trade in Ireland. The only problem is that the puppet masters don't want to lose their UK cash cow, so thay have manufactured a non-existent problem to divert attention from the Main issues. In trade, this is the fact that the UK purchases twice as many goods from the EU in comparison to its sales, and the food is of lower quality and more expensive than would be available if we return to British standards. The real solution is for Southern Ireland to leave the EU with the UK, and become part of the new British Commonwealth.

My fears have been realised, as I knew that Johnson as an Eton/Oxford banker would  want to keep the UK shackled in the EU. You can't even call it treason, as the British Crown is one of the triumvirate that dominates the cabal that rules the EU.

@styca - you posted as I was making my post, so I have given you 5 English sMerits.

[styca]

the food is of lower quality and more expensive than would be available if we return to British standards.

We won't be returning to British standards under the Tories. They will remove standards in order to maximise profit for themselves. Expect all regulations to be thrown on the metaphorical bonfire. Totally agree with you about the Eton/Oxbridge thing. When we leave, and the chlorinated chicken and its friends arrive, food will be cheaper but lower quality than now.

@styca - you posted as I was making my post, so I have given you 5 English sMerits.

Thanks! I also tried to give you 5 English sMerits, but unfortunately our currency is going down the pan together with the economy as we get ready to leave the EU... so it got devalued to 3 :p

[Jet Cash]

I'm lucky enough to visit Somerset fairly often, and the last time I was there I was given some "Sops in Wine" cider apples. A lovely old English apple with pink flesh. The EU forced us to destroy a lot of our tradition apple trees, and it was sad to see large orchards full of traditional apples being burn in Kent. Now most of the supermarkets seem to sell varieties like the mis-named pappy French Golden Delicious. Obviously it will take many years to reverse the destruction wreaked on out agriculture, and it may net even be possible, as most of it seems to be owned by EU or Chinese farming/banking conglomerates.

[KingScorpio]

Thanks! I also tried to give you 5 English sMerits, but unfortunately our currency is going down the pan together with the economy as we get ready to leave the EU... so it got devalued to 3 :p

thats because no one in europe gives a damn about the islanders even if entire world speaks english that doesnt mean england is anyhow more respected financially

[styca]

no one in europe gives a damn about the islanders even if entire world speaks english that doesnt mean england is anyhow more respected financially

It's true that the UK has a tendency to over-estimate its importance in the world, and does often behave with a sort of arrogant entitlement, particularly towards the EU.
However - even if Europe is no doubt sick of all the UK whining and complaining, and sick of the fact this single country has taken over EU business for the last couple of years, and still hasn't left... the fact remains that the UK will be a very important trading partner for the EU. The UK does still matter, just less than a lot of people think.