[POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It?

[TECSHARE]

BUT IS NOT OBLIGATED TO!

This is very debatable.  

It's obvious the guys that wrote the constitution were very concerned about future presidents having too much power, abusing that power, being above the law,  and also other countries interfering in our election.

Anyone that's able to look at this situation without considering Trumps policies or his political opponents' policies surely sees that Trump is absolutely, without a doubt, checking all of these boxes.

But, the founders didn't say explicitly that the senate must have a trial.

Mitch has come out and said if the House impeaches, he would have no choice but to try Trump.  Who knows what he'll actually do though.  Maybe he'll hold the trial and then just immediately call a vote to end it.  Seems like the best move would be to have the trial as long as he's sure there won't be a conviction.

I just wish you guys that are Trump fans and fighting tooth and nail to defend everything he does (tecshare) would take a step back and realize you're arguing to give future presidents who have control of either the Speaker of the House or Senate majority leader to be a King.  That's all it takes.  The president and the leader of the House or Senate.  The President can't be indicted or impeached.  Can ask foreign countries for help and  do whatever the fuck they want.

When it comes to the impeachment and ethics stuff, your stance should not be swayed based on which party is in power.

More fucking "NO U!!!1" arguments...

How does insisting due process, historical precedence, and checks and balances be observed allow the President to "be a king"? All Pelosi has to do is call a vote. No one is stopping her, but she knows it will expose far more about them than it does Trump, because just like the Russia collusion delusion, it is all BASED ON NOTHING.

You are literally arguing for the dems not having to follow due process out of one side of your mouth while condemning me for having blind allegiance out of the other. So are you going to admit those "subpoenas" have no force of law or just more of the usual...

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[nutildah]

Have you noticed your buddies Nutilduhhh, TwitchySeal, and SuchGoon have gotten really quiet all of a sudden? Do you wonder why that is? I will tell you why. They are doing one of two things. They are either desperately searching for an ACTUAL subpoena that never existed, or they have realized they were wrong and wisely decided to shut the fuck up rather than embarrass themselves arguing what they know to be false, much like you should.

Option #3: we have a life outside this forum. I know you didn't consider that one, but its the correct answer.

Don't worry techole I'll get back to you. I don't care about the subpoena aspect BTW. And I don't have the time or desire to read your 1000 word replies when I know they are mostly snarling, emotionally-laden attacks on your critics.

I think this is more interesting:

“As vocal as the Europeans are about supporting Ukraine, they are really really stingy when it comes to lethal aid. And they weren’t helping Ukraine and that’s still to this day are not. And the president did not like that … So those are the driving factors,” Mulvaney said. “Did he also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. But that’s it, and that’s why we held up the money.”

[TwitchySeal]

I've answered your assertions, no need to discuss further.

And there you have it. A bunch of hypocritical stern moralizing about how the House can break their traditional rules, but the Senate cannot.

Wrong on that, buddy.

I didn't mean to make assertions or moralize anything.  Just trying to have a discussion and figure out what the most pragmatic path to whatever is best for America would look like.

[TECSHARE]

Option #3: we have a life outside this forum. I know you didn't consider that one, but its the correct answer.

Don't worry techole I'll get back to you. I don't care about the subpoena aspect BTW. And I don't have the time or desire to read your 1000 word replies when I know they are mostly snarling, emotionally-laden attacks on your critics.

I think this is more interesting:

“As vocal as the Europeans are about supporting Ukraine, they are really really stingy when it comes to lethal aid. And they weren’t helping Ukraine and that’s still to this day are not. And the president did not like that … So those are the driving factors,” Mulvaney said. “Did he also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. But that’s it, and that’s why we held up the money.”

Yes yes, of course. That is why you all went from 60 to zero with constant tit for tat replies within minutes to nothing, because you are much too busy, not because you don't have a leg to stand on. Of course you suddenly don't care about the issue when you are wrong! Lets look at something else now! All you have to read are 2 short documents.

A subpoena: https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/(70)%20Chaffetz%20Subpoena%20to%20Pagliano%2009-16-2016.pdf

Not a subpoena: https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/2019-09-27.EEC%20Engel%20Schiff%20%20to%20Pompeo-%20State%20re%20Document%20Subpoena.pdf

Are you going to admit you were wrong Nutilduhhhhhh?

[nutildah]

Option #3: we have a life outside this forum. I know you didn't consider that one, but its the correct answer.

Don't worry techole I'll get back to you. I don't care about the subpoena aspect BTW. And I don't have the time or desire to read your 1000 word replies when I know they are mostly snarling, emotionally-laden attacks on your critics.

I think this is more interesting:

“As vocal as the Europeans are about supporting Ukraine, they are really really stingy when it comes to lethal aid. And they weren’t helping Ukraine and that’s still to this day are not. And the president did not like that … So those are the driving factors,” Mulvaney said. “Did he also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. But that’s it, and that’s why we held up the money.”

Yes yes, of course. That is why you all went from 60 to zero with constant tit for tat replies within minutes to nothing, because you are much too busy, not because you don't have a leg to stand on. Of course you suddenly don't care about the issue when you are wrong! Lets look at something else now! All you have to read are 2 short documents.

A subpoena: https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/(70)%20Chaffetz%20Subpoena%20to%20Pagliano%2009-16-2016.pdf

Not a subpoena: https://oversight.house.gov/sites/democrats.oversight.house.gov/files/documents/2019-09-27.EEC%20Engel%20Schiff%20%20to%20Pompeo-%20State%20re%20Document%20Subpoena.pdf

Are you going to admit you were wrong Nutilduhhhhhh?

Hello Techole,

I travel a lot. Sorry I can't dedicate the entirety of my online existence to pointing out the ways in which you are wrong. But I can address this one: I never said shit about the subpoena (non) issue, so how can I be wrong about it?

I can also tell you this: sitting around playing constitutional lawyer has zero effect on the outcome of the impeachment inquiry.

[Viper1]

This is what he said a couple days ago.

“I would have no choice but to take it up,” McConnell said in a CNBC interview. “How long you are on it is a different matter, but I would have no choice but to take it up based on a Senate rule on impeachment.”

Senate rules say they have to "take it up". However, it's very vague as to what happens to initiate a trial. There is this one short part in there that says they discuss it. It's possible I suppose they could dismiss it outright and not take it to trial. But they have to accept the articles of impeachment from the congress.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/SMAN-113/pdf/SMAN-113-pg223.pdf

Side note. The rules also show an impeachment subpoena. In the form of a letter. Go figure.

[tvbcof]

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I travel a lot. Sorry I can't dedicate the entirety of my online existence to pointing out the ways in which you are wrong. But I can address this one: I never said shit about the subpoena (non) issue, so how can I be wrong about it?
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I didn't follow you're guys tiff much, but all I hear Tech[hole] say is that if there is a danger that subpoenea could be launched by Trump as a function of his defense, a trial would be unlikely.  I'd bet money that he's right on that because every one of his attackers have skeletons buried and Trump probably knows where to start digging.

Since I 'sensed' that Trump would not be interested in a 2nd term from even before he started his first, I've been expecting an 'out' of some sort for 3 years now.  'Impeachment' would be just the ticket.  He currently could claim victory (in running the country) and most of the people who are still his supporters would eat it right up.

I'll look for yet more stagecraft where Trump slides back out of government and his mock-enemies don't have to worry about a backlash in the form of (real) subpoenas (filed in anger.)  I expect that one of the Kushners will end up at the helm.  Probably by way of Mike Pence and/or civil war.

[tvbcof]

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I'll look for yet more stagecraft where Trump slides back out of government and his mock-enemies don't have to worry about a backlash in the form of (real) subpoenas (filed in anger.)  I expect that one of the Kushners will end up at the helm.  Probably by way of Mike Pence and/or civil war.

Thanks for the summary. I'm currently moving from Cebu to Bohol so I have a lot of other things on my mind on the moment. You could be right about Trump orchestrating a plan to exit from the government while still delivering a "V" to his supporters/fundraisers, but one thing I'm certain won't happen is a civil war. Most Americans are just too docile and placated to risk upsetting their internet and satellite cable infrastructure. Now that you can have Arby's delivered through your cell phone, I doubt most people even go outside anymore.

I think that for 98% of people anywhere civil war comes to them rather than the other way around.  I think it possible, if not likely, that the 2% could and would hit the go button, and it could happen at any time.

How Americans will react (to civil war) is pretty hard for me to judge.  The extreme interest in gun control indicates to me that some people anticipate an 'event'.  It's really the only reasonable explanation for the intense focus on what is basically a non-issue.  5G is another wildcard in 'reaction profiles' as I see it.  It is another program that has been rolled out with a very suspicious degree of frenzy...the wonderful ability to download a DVD in 4 seconds isn't really explaining things to my satisfaction.

Anyway, it's better to watch what happens in/to the U.S. from afar.  Seems to me that Malaysia is well out in front of The Philippines insofar as understanding the root cause of the evils vexing the modern planet.  I'm afraid that The Philippines would fall into the trap without ever seeing it coming.

[nutildah]

Put one more vote down for SOROSSSSSS!

[TECSHARE]

"Watch GOP Lawmakers Storm Secretive Impeachment Hearing In Capitol Basement"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gop-lawmakers-storm-secretive-impeachment-hearing-capitol-basement-demand-transparency

[Spendulus]

Put one more vote down for SOROSSSSSS!

Do you believe this, or are you just joking or what?

I've wondered about Soros possible involvement in the current debacle, but didn't think it was possible that his group would act in so stupid a way as to create the current divisive and destructive movements as displayed currently by the Democrats.

[BADecker]

Looks like Trump is right on it and knows what to do.


Watch GOP Lawmakers Storm Secretive Impeachment Hearing In Capitol Basement

On Tuesday, Trump met with approximately 30 House Republicans at the White House for two hours to discuss the situation in Syria as well as the impeachment inquiry. During the meeting, the lawmakers shared their plans to storm the basement testimony - an action which Trump supported, adding that he wants the transcripts released because they will exonerate him.



Scott Thuman
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@ScottThuman

WATCH: here's the video of when 2 dozen GOP members, led by @mattgaetz  entered the secure hearing room (SCIF) to interrupt witness testimony in the #ImpeachmentInquiry as they demand access, despite not being committee members. They're complaining it's a "Soviet-style process".

https://twitter.com/ScottThuman/status/1187023336255250433

8:09 AM - Oct 23, 2019

[TECSHARE]

"Watch GOP Lawmakers Storm Secretive Impeachment Hearing In Capitol Basement"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gop-lawmakers-storm-secretive-impeachment-hearing-capitol-basement-demand-transparency

They're not entitled to transparency. Fuck 'em.

No, fuck you. This is America, not the Philippines. You keep your death squads, we will keep our due process. Speaking of death squads, your president recently just threatened the life of George Soros if he sets foot in the Philippines. I wonder why.

[Spendulus]

"Watch GOP Lawmakers Storm Secretive Impeachment Hearing In Capitol Basement"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gop-lawmakers-storm-secretive-impeachment-hearing-capitol-basement-demand-transparency

They're not entitled to transparency. Fuck 'em.....

Why not?

[Spendulus]

No, fuck you. This is America

This is what you sound like:

They're not entitled to transparency. Fuck 'em.....

Why not?

I just posted why. You cut out the part that explains it. You don't suddenly get to change the rules just because you are upset about something.

Republicans knew they would be turned away from the closed-door deposition; only members who sit on the authorized committees are permitted to sit in on the sessions...

In reality, more than 45 House Republicans — nearly a quarter of the House GOP conference — already have full access to the depositions through their membership on one of the three panels leading the impeachment inquiry. During the depositions, Republican lawyers are given the same amount of time to question witnesses as Democratic counsels.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/23/impeachment-republicans-trump-055688

So the idea that Republicans are being cut out of the process entirely is simply absurd.

Almost all House and Senate committee meetings are open to anyone, period. That means you and me, not just other Congressmen. Some are closed for obvious reasons, like secrecy matters. So this is really following the protocol for classified meetings, but without any national security issues.

That's pretty weird. I grant you that the Republicans on the committees have the typical privileges of the minority party in committee operations.

[TECSHARE]

No, fuck you. This is America

This is what you sound like:

They're not entitled to transparency. Fuck 'em.....

Why not?

I just posted why. You cut out the part that explains it. You don't suddenly get to change the rules just because you are upset about something.

Republicans knew they would be turned away from the closed-door deposition; only members who sit on the authorized committees are permitted to sit in on the sessions...

In reality, more than 45 House Republicans — nearly a quarter of the House GOP conference — already have full access to the depositions through their membership on one of the three panels leading the impeachment inquiry. During the depositions, Republican lawyers are given the same amount of time to question witnesses as Democratic counsels.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/23/impeachment-republicans-trump-055688

So the idea that Republicans are being cut out of the process entirely is simply absurd.

Since you are only capable of communicating in the form of cartoons, this is what you sound like...




Funny you talk about changing the rules when you don't like them when that is all the Democrat party has been doing since 2016, including this sham impeachment. As usual, more of this...





"“This morning, I was denied access to any and all classified documents related to impeachment. In my nearly 17 years in Congress, this is the first time that I’ve been unable to review documentation being held at the House Intel Committee. This is completely unacceptable,” Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.) said in a statement.

Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.) said he tried to join the impeachment inquiry closed-door session being held on Oct. 16 but was denied access.

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) gained access to an impeachment inquiry hearing on Monday but was thrown out."

https://www.theepochtimes.com/house-republicans-say-theyre-being-blocked-from-impeachment-inquiry_3118345.html


“House regulations clearly permit all House members to attend depositions,” the letter states. “You have also consistently denied the right of non-committee members to view the transcripts of depositions and interviews without specifying any authority to do so. These transcripts are committee records. Committee records are the property of the whole House and under House rules, no Member can be denied access to committee records.”

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/10/18/house-republicans-demand-democrats-release-rules-on-impeachment-inquiry-n2555022


"Rep. Gaetz, Freedom Caucus hold a 'transparency' press conference"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd8Uq-OEg1g


Don't pretend you care about rules. In your book rules are only for thee and not for me and are only to be used as a cudgel to attack your opponents, not as a means to protect the overall system which they are intended to maintain.

[TECSHARE]

Since you are only capable of communicating in the form of cartoons, this is what you sound like...

https://i.imgur.com/bm7BQYy.png


Funny you talk about changing the rules when you don't like them when that is all the Democrat party has been doing since 2016, including this sham impeachment. As usual, more of this...


https://i.imgur.com/6g39sr3.jpg

Thats... that's not a counterargument. That is saying "no u" while posting a meme that says "no u." You've clearly lost it by this point. Its ridiculous to think you deserve a better response than a meme.

https://i.imgur.com/dhDgSu2.png




That meme is free for anybody to use in the future. I'm sure it will come in handy time and again.

Edit: TS is probably furiously creating his own supermeme right now that will not only destroy me but all libs as well.

No, my counter argument with sources was my counter argument. I went to bed, that's how concerned I am with your verbal fecal/vomit combo.

[suchmoon]

No, my counter argument with sources was my counter argument. I went to bed, that's how concerned I am with your verbal fecal/vomit combo.

I have to say - you do look a bit concerned in that photo.

[TECSHARE]

Very impressive. You can jerk each other off, make character attacks, and force memes. Quite convincing debate tactics. That might have worked in grade school but everyone wears big boy pants now, time to put away the pullups and learn to stop shitting in your pants.

You live under a dictator who runs death squads, I am not sure you really should be pointing fingers at the USA or have any right whatsoever to tell us here what we should be doing with our nation when you ran away like a puss and wag your finger from afar. This impeachment is a complete farce, and the only argument you have is forced memes and cartoons. Just be sure you have your mommy change your nappies before you get a rash.

[TECSHARE]

I made poopie in my diapey.

Pretend time is fun.