[POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It?

[suchmoon]

I am not back pedaling anything, and you are just repeating yourself. It isn't over yet, but you keep repeating yourself if it reassures you. Just be here when it comes out.

"Trump accuses Obama of treason for ‘spying’ on his 2016 campaign"

Going from "indictments", "prosecutions", and "military tribunals" to "things Trump said" is quite serious backpedaling. Trump has accused a lot of people of treason (e.g. recently Pelosi and Schiff for starting the impeachment proceedings - behold my masterful swing back on topic) but none of them have been prosecuted for the grave crime of defying Trump, which he seems to equate to treason, let alone prosecuting for actual treason.

[nutildah]

"Trump accuses Obama of treason for ‘spying’ on his 2016 campaign"

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-accuses-obama-of-treason-for-spying-on-his-2016-campaign

Hmm that is a pretty serious charge. I wonder what information that has yet to come to light that backs this claim up...

Well, if its as solid as any other Trump claim, I would say absolutely nothing backs it up. Its not even a news item. What you posted was a book advertisement on a right-tilted website. The book is to be sold to people like you.

[TECSHARE]

I am not back pedaling anything, and you are just repeating yourself. It isn't over yet, but you keep repeating yourself if it reassures you. Just be here when it comes out.

"Trump accuses Obama of treason for ‘spying’ on his 2016 campaign"

Going from "indictments", "prosecutions", and "military tribunals" to "things Trump said" is quite serious backpedaling. Trump has accused a lot of people of treason (e.g. recently Pelosi and Schiff for starting the impeachment proceedings - behold my masterful swing back on topic) but none of them have been prosecuted for the grave crime of defying Trump, which he seems to equate to treason, let alone prosecuting for actual treason.

No, it is forward pedaling regardless of how you wish to imagine it. This is just the first signs, and more is to come. This isn't done yet regardless of you insisting to call the match before the game is over and your team just lost the lead. I don't know what you would call illegally using your oversight authority to remove a duly elected sitting president, but I would say treason is a fair description of those activities. This has been nonstop since before he was even inaugurated. The Democrat party refuses to accept the results of the 2016 election results and have been seeking to undo its results from day one at all costs, even if it severely damages the nation in the process. Accusing a former president of treason is no small matter, and you are going to have an exceptional amount of crow on your plate once you find out how much information actually backs that claim. Until then you keep imagineering your preferred interpretations and try to call the game before it is finished in a last second act of desperation hoping it won't be true. It is true, and you better start coming to terms with it, because it is going to hurt a lot more if you are forced to accept it all at once. Of course you won't because you haven't even come to terms with the results of the 2016 election.

[suchmoon]

No, it is forward pedaling regardless of how you wish to imagine it. This is just the first signs, and more is to come. This isn't done yet regardless of you insisting to call the match before the game is over and your team just lost the lead. I don't know what you would call illegally using your oversight authority to remove a duly elected sitting president, but I would say treason is a fair description of those activities. This has been nonstop since before he was even inaugurated. The Democrat party refuses to accept the results of the 2016 election results and have been seeking to undo its results from day one at all costs, even if it severely damages the nation in the process. Accusing a former president of treason is no small matter, and you are going to have an exceptional amount of crow on your plate once you find out how much information actually backs that claim. Until then you keep imagineering your preferred interpretations and try to call the game before it is finished in a last second act of desperation hoping it won't be true. It is true, and you better start coming to terms with it, because it is going to hurt a lot more if you are forced to accept it all at once. Of course you won't because you haven't even come to terms with the results of the 2016 election.

Those were your own words that we were going to see those things that you mentioned and we haven't seen them. No matter how many coats of your 2016 projection bullshit you put on it. Do you wanna give us a revised timeline of when those things are gonna happen?

[TECSHARE]

Those were your own words that we were going to see those things that you mentioned and we haven't seen them. No matter how many coats of your 2016 projection bullshit you put on it. Do you wanna give us a revised timeline of when those things are gonna happen?

I don't need to revise anything to meet your interpretations. I said what I said, not what you wish I said. Projection... that would be funny if it weren't totally insane. I am looking forward to the puff of dust you leave behind when this all comes to light just like your pal Flying Hellfish when the Russian collusion story turned out to be the conspiracy theory.

Hey Nutilduhh... that poll didn't turn out like you thought it would did it? If only everyone belonged to the hive mind like you, things would be so much easier right?


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[TECSHARE]

Hey Nutilduhh... that poll didn't turn out like you thought it would did it? If only everyone belonged to the hive mind like you, things would be so much easier right?

The hive mind is alive and well and they all voted for the first option. That's what constitutes a "hive" - the overwhelming majority of a population. I just didn't want the P&S conservatard/conspiratard majority to feel left out, so I gave them an option.

Before you post your go-to meme, I'm countering it with my No U To Infinity card.

https://i.imgur.com/XjhV1hW.jpg

Amazing... the consensus is correct, until they disagree with you, then it is the hive mind. Brilliant. Such a counterculture victim you are with all of the media parroting your beliefs 24/7 365. The "NO U" while projecting my own words back at me is also a nice touch. Not delusional at all.


"'We Will Not Legitimize The Sham Impeachment': House Minority Leader Responds To Pelosi Announcement"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pelosi-hold-vote-impeachment-inquiry-week

[hatadiri]

He won't be impeached.

Now in the us there are no forces that will be able to deprive Trump of power.  This can only happen during the next presidential election and therefore I do not really understand the meaning of this question.

[Mandoy]

I do not know if Trump is the best president but at least he has respect for life when he placed his position against abortion. I believe the thing against Trump is the group of Hilary Clinton. They have lost the election and Trump got into power and thus they are using the media which they have big influence on to destroy Trumps reputation. They only want to throw Trump so they can regain power at their side. Its all politics and its a dangerous game. But I bet Trump has also a trump card against the opposition and he will never fall down easily without a fight.

[TECSHARE]

I feel dirty clicking on ZeroHedge links. You do realize there are other "news" sources out there, right? Its quite easy for me to find the Fox News version of a story and post it here just to make conservatives more open to reading it. Can't you find a "lefty" publication like CNN, CBS, NBC or MSM that makes your same point? Oh, you can't? Wonder why that is.

Your emotional instability is not my concern. I read news from all kinds of sources. Unfortunately any main stream sources are going to have a bend spinning it in the most anti-Trump way possible and people like you will cherry pick the most bullshit parts of it and go "SEE YOUR OWN SOURCE SAYS...". If I pick an independent source then you will attack the source without addressing the topic in any way every time, and unfortunately they are the only ones who will cover most of these issues at all. Trump could cure cancer tomorrow and CNN, CBS, NBC would never report it because they are not unbias in the slightest. If the partisanship of the media I link bothers you, maybe you should look at the purveyors of the vast majority of bullshit, the MSM. They have been abandoned by mass numbers of people for good reason. You wonder why that is? I don't, its because they are full of shit. I would trust a piss smelling hobo on the corner more than CNN, CBS, or NBC. Compared to them, independent blogs and aggregators deserve a Pulitzer Prize.

[Spendulus]

I feel dirty clicking on ZeroHedge links. You do realize there are other "news" sources out there, right? Its quite easy for me to find the Fox News version of a story and post it here just to make conservatives more open to reading it. Can't you find a "lefty" publication like CNN, CBS, NBC or MSM that makes your same point? Oh, you can't? Wonder why that is.

Zerohedge does now and then have an interesting scoop.

[tvbcof]

I feel dirty clicking on ZeroHedge links. ...

Zerohedge does now and then have an interesting scoop.

Zerohedge is not on my scheduled rounds, but I'm not remembering very many times when I've seen fabricated or 'fake news' on the site.  Most things I remember seeing have some basis in reality.  Most importantly to me, much of the stuff I've seen is perfectly valid and interesting information which no 'mainstream' outlet will touch with a 10 foot pole.  It's a good place to get leads of general interest to follow up on.

As for basic credibility, I would rate Zerohedge so far above CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc that the latter are not even in sight.  Also the comments are fun and interesting and seem to have a higher 'real-people/bot' percentage than the mainstream rags (which nowadays don't even allow user participation most of the time anyway.)

Some years ago I used to routinely skim stories then head directly for the comments where all the bullshit propaganda from the written piece was dissected.  Not long after than the owners of most of these platforms started highly editing and simply deprecating comments.

[styca]

I voted for the Lizard People. In the poll, I mean, not in real life. Although in real life, yes, in a straight choice between Trump and the Lizard People I would be campaigning hard for our reptilian friends.

Politics in the Western world is becoming increasingly absurd. It is far beyond parody now. In the UK, it's just as bad. We're governed by a man with the brain and appearance of a dishevelled sock-puppet.

[Spendulus]

I feel dirty clicking on ZeroHedge links. ...

Zerohedge does now and then have an interesting scoop.

Zerohedge is not on my scheduled rounds, but I'm not remembering very many times when I've seen fabricated or 'fake news' on the site.  ....
As for basic credibility, I would rate Zerohedge so far above CNN, Fox, MSNBC, etc that the latter are not even in sight.  Also the comments are fun and interesting ....

The comment streams are all that matter.

[TECSHARE]

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191028/BILLS-116-HRes660.pdf

[Spendulus]

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191028/BILLS-116-HRes660.pdf

Well now that's a crock of shit.

Your side can call witnesses in its defense, but they must be approved by your adversary.

Stalinist methods.

[TECSHARE]

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191028/BILLS-116-HRes660.pdf

Well now that's a crock of shit.

Your side can call witnesses in its defense, but they must be approved by your adversary.

Stalinist methods.

It matters not how much they undermine the rule of law and due process, control must be taken at all costs.

[TwitchySeal]

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191028/BILLS-116-HRes660.pdf

Well now that's a crock of shit.

Your side can call witnesses in its defense, but they must be approved by your adversary.

Stalinist methods.

It matters not how much they undermine the rule of law and due process, control must be taken at all costs.

You know how the Democrats bitch and whine when the Rupublicans do something with a Majority without giving a shit about what the Democrats think?  (Merrick Garland for example.)

That's what you guys sound like right now.

Don't worry, you'll get to hear them bitching again as soon as the impeachment ball is in the Senates court.

[Spendulus]

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191028/BILLS-116-HRes660.pdf

Well now that's a crock of shit.

Your side can call witnesses in its defense, but they must be approved by your adversary.

Stalinist methods.

It matters not how much they undermine the rule of law and due process, control must be taken at all costs.

You know how the Democrats bitch and whine when the Rupublicans do something with a Majority without giving a shit about what the Democrats think?  (Merrick Garland for example.)

That's what you guys sound like right now.

Don't worry, you'll get to hear them bitching again as soon as the impeachment ball is in the Senates court.

On the contrary, after Scalia passed away and left a vacancy on the SC, the ever-diplomatic, gracious Republicans cited the "Biden Rule" in deferring the discussion about the SC vacancy:

The Senate's Republican leadership was quick to assert that the vacancy should not be filled until after the 2016 presidential election.[13] They cited a 1992 speech by then-senator Joe Biden, in which Biden argued that President Bush should wait until after the election to appoint a replacement if a Supreme Court seat became vacant during the summer or should appoint a moderate acceptable to the then-Democratic Senate, as a precedent. Republicans later began to refer to this originally little-noticed idea as the "Biden rule".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_nomination#Biden_rule_debate

[TECSHARE]

You know how the Democrats bitch and whine when the Rupublicans do something with a Majority without giving a shit about what the Democrats think?  (Merrick Garland for example.)

That's what you guys sound like right now.

Don't worry, you'll get to hear them bitching again as soon as the impeachment ball is in the Senates court.

This isn't just "something", this is an attempt to unseat a sitting duly elected president. I believe you understand the gravity of this and are simply being disingenuous at this point. Speaking of being disingenuous... you seem oddly silent on the issue of the non-subpoena subpoena issue you insisted was legitimate so vociferously earlier. Funny how quickly such things become a non-topic for people trying so hard to topic slide when they run out of arguments.

[TwitchySeal]

https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20191028/BILLS-116-HRes660.pdf

Well now that's a crock of shit.

Your side can call witnesses in its defense, but they must be approved by your adversary.

Stalinist methods.

It matters not how much they undermine the rule of law and due process, control must be taken at all costs.

You know how the Democrats bitch and whine when the Rupublicans do something with a Majority without giving a shit about what the Democrats think?  (Merrick Garland for example.)

That's what you guys sound like right now.

Don't worry, you'll get to hear them bitching again as soon as the impeachment ball is in the Senates court.

On the contrary, after Scalia passed away and left a vacancy on the SC, the ever-diplomatic, gracious Republicans cited the "Biden Rule" in deferring the discussion about the SC vacancy:

The Senate's Republican leadership was quick to assert that the vacancy should not be filled until after the 2016 presidential election.[13] They cited a 1992 speech by then-senator Joe Biden, in which Biden argued that President Bush should wait until after the election to appoint a replacement if a Supreme Court seat became vacant during the summer or should appoint a moderate acceptable to the then-Democratic Senate, as a precedent. Republicans later began to refer to this originally little-noticed idea as the "Biden rule".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_nomination#Biden_rule_debate

No need to play these games man.
He did it because he wanted a shot at filling the vacancy with a Conservative.  And it worked.  Which is fine.  It's politics.

You know how the Democrats bitch and whine when the Rupublicans do something with a Majority without giving a shit about what the Democrats think?  (Merrick Garland for example.)

That's what you guys sound like right now.

Don't worry, you'll get to hear them bitching again as soon as the impeachment ball is in the Senates court.

This isn't just "something", this is an attempt to unseat a sitting duly elected president. I believe you understand the gravity of this and are simply being disingenuous at this point. Speaking of being disingenuous... you seem oddly silent on the issue of the non-subpoena subpoena issue you insisted was legitimate so vociferously earlier. Funny how quickly such things become a non-topic for people trying so hard to topic slide when they run out of arguments.

I mean, refusing to even hold a hearing for the guy the president nominated for the Supreme Court isn't just "something" either.  Some would argue it would have a greater affect on the Country than any president.

One party does everything they can to make something happen, and the other does everything they can to stop them.  Both sides are going to do whatever they can to make the other side look as bad as possible.
If Clinton won and the GOP were trying to impeach her using the same plays that Pelosi is using, would you really be like "wait a minute, that's not fair!  The Dems should be able to subpoena whoever they want, even if they don't have control of the House!"  Of course not.

It would be foolish to allow the Republicans to subpoena whoever they want.  They'd use it to keep the Dems from controlling the pace of the hearings, which is a huge advantage for them.  

You aren't really surprised the Democrats are keeping them on such a short leash, are you?


Had a big project to finish past couple weeks, that's why I haven't been active.