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October 10, 2019, 01:49:23 PM
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Nowadays the world’s economy seems to be stable in a majority of the developed nations. However, for some of the less developed nations their economies are not doing so well compared to the more developed nations. In these countries, their economies might not be going so well due to conflicts in the regions, mismanagement by their governments and sometimes in the worst-case scenarios corruption by their respective governments.

In such cases, the value of their currencies is not very high in the global economy or in some cases such as Zimbabwe, are worthless to use for transactions. While some people in those countries just use trusted currencies such as the US Dollar as it is trusted by people worldwide, there is another alternative: cryptocurrency.

Considering that their currency is basically unusable, Zimbabwe has adopted cryptocurrencies as a means of trade especially after their banks wouldn’t allow them to make transactions using foreign currency. So far the use of cryptocurrencies there is rising and it probably won’t stop until they fix their economy. This shows that cryptocurrencies can help countries that have problems with their currency.

Another example would be Venezuela. As we know now, the region is rather unstable with their economy not doing so well, however, some of the people there are able to get by using cryptocurrencies which further proves that cryptocurrencies can greatly benefit places with economic difficulties.
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October 10, 2019, 02:34:10 PM
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In countries that you mentioned Zimbabwe and Valenzuela are countries wherein monetary inflation is a trend. They overproduced and overprint money but still their money has no or less value. There maybe other countries like them but I am in line with your concept that cryptocurrency will be the solution to their monetary and economic problems. If people in valenzuela have placed their money on bitcoins then when their country is in economic crisis and food shortage they can just go to other countries and live there using your saved bitcoins.

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October 10, 2019, 02:51:31 PM
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Considering that their currency is basically unusable,

a currency is only unusable if they went to grocery store and couldn't pay for groceries with their fiat. are you trying to say that there is a country (Zimbabwe?) that people can't do what i just said?

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So far the use of cryptocurrencies there is rising and it probably won’t stop until they fix their economy. This shows that cryptocurrencies can help countries that have problems with their currency.
do you have any actual proof for this? specially since you are using the term "cryptocurrency" not bitcoin!

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Nowadays the world’s economy seems to be stable in a majority of the developed nations. However, for some of the less developed nations their economies are not doing so well compared to the more developed nations. In these countries, their economies might not be going so well due to conflicts in the regions, mismanagement by their governments and sometimes in the worst-case scenarios corruption by their respective governments.

In such cases, the value of their currencies is not very high in the global economy or in some cases such as Zimbabwe, are worthless to use for transactions. While some people in those countries just use trusted currencies such as the US Dollar as it is trusted by people worldwide, there is another alternative: cryptocurrency.

Considering that their currency is basically unusable, Zimbabwe has adopted cryptocurrencies as a means of trade especially after their banks wouldn’t allow them to make transactions using foreign currency. So far the use of cryptocurrencies there is rising and it probably won’t stop until they fix their economy. This shows that cryptocurrencies can help countries that have problems with their currency.

Another example would be Venezuela. As we know now, the region is rather unstable with their economy not doing so well, however, some of the people there are able to get by using cryptocurrencies which further proves that cryptocurrencies can greatly benefit places with economic difficulties.

I dont think theres anything a cryptocurrency can do that fiat cant do. Of course, removing the decentralized system of transaction of crypto, anything it can do is basically what fiat could also do. And besides, due to the limited adoption of crypto around the globe, crypto itself is limited and could not perform as well as fiat as a type of currency used. All because of the lack of adoption of it.

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October 10, 2019, 03:34:58 PM
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I dont think theres anything a cryptocurrency can do that fiat cant do. Of course, removing the decentralized system of transaction of crypto, anything it can do is basically what fiat could also do. And besides, due to the limited adoption of crypto around the globe, crypto itself is limited and could not perform as well as fiat as a type of currency used. All because of the lack of adoption of it.

There is actually one thing I can think of that cryptocurrencies does perfectly well (at times) that fiat can't in its 50 years of existence: hold actual value. Sure, crypto can be one hell of a roller coaster ride, but despite all the crashes and burns it takes, it still is a good store of value over time, just look at bitcoin for example. Side by side with gold and fiat, only bitcoin and gold managed to get a hold of value for the past 10 years, meanwhile fiat continues on a downhill slope no matter how good the global economy performs.




Considering that their currency is basically unusable, Zimbabwe has adopted cryptocurrencies as a means of trade especially after their banks wouldn’t allow them to make transactions using foreign currency. So far the use of cryptocurrencies there is rising and it probably won’t stop until they fix their economy. This shows that cryptocurrencies can help countries that have problems with their currency.

I'd love to read some article stating this honestly. Zimbabwe may have been in a rather unstable state due to the massive devaluation of their currency, but there's little to almost no usage of cryptocurrencies in the country considering how poor the people in there are, plus the fact that most services and stores are still alienated by the concept of cryptocurrencies.
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October 10, 2019, 03:39:55 PM
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Considering that their currency is basically unusable,

a currency is only unusable if they went to grocery store and couldn't pay for groceries with their fiat. are you trying to say that there is a country (Zimbabwe?) that people can't do what i just said?


not sure about that because the crisis in Zimbabwe was a longtime ago. they must have resolved those problems already.

cryptocurrency are just an option to them but basically the fiat works for all. i doubt there will be more merchants accepting crypto than fiat even if the government encourages to accept crypto. the value of cryptocurrencies aren't as stable as the fiat, those grocery owners will most likely pick fiat over btc.









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October 10, 2019, 03:54:01 PM
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Nowadays the world’s economy seems to be stable in a majority of the developed nations. However, for some of the less developed nations their economies are not doing so well compared to the more developed nations. In these countries, their economies might not be going so well due to conflicts in the regions, mismanagement by their governments and sometimes in the worst-case scenarios corruption by their respective governments.

In such cases, the value of their currencies is not very high in the global economy or in some cases such as Zimbabwe, are worthless to use for transactions. While some people in those countries just use trusted currencies such as the US Dollar as it is trusted by people worldwide, there is another alternative: cryptocurrency.

Considering that their currency is basically unusable, Zimbabwe has adopted cryptocurrencies as a means of trade especially after their banks wouldn’t allow them to make transactions using foreign currency. So far the use of cryptocurrencies there is rising and it probably won’t stop until they fix their economy. This shows that cryptocurrencies can help countries that have problems with their currency.

Another example would be Venezuela. As we know now, the region is rather unstable with their economy not doing so well, however, some of the people there are able to get by using cryptocurrencies which further proves that cryptocurrencies can greatly benefit places with economic difficulties.


I have low confidence about Zimbabwe has used cryptocurrency.
There is country where inflation is very high, so for using cryptocurrency like Bitcoin you need computer and internet. The price is expensive and also they are poor in education.
So if they use Bitcoin, how to transfer and exchange. I think that's hard.
But don't know if there is already adopt cryptocurrency, i'm late news about them.
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October 10, 2019, 04:04:13 PM
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All the problems with national money that you pointed out on the examples of Zimbabwe and Venezuela are connected with the growth of inflation of this money. This is mainly due to the inefficient management of the state economy by governments. However, this is not a common systemic problem of national money. Cryptocurrency can currently help people avoid the effects of rising inflation in the country, since the price in the cryptocurrency market does not depend on the price of the national currency of a particular state. However, until cryptocurrency has become a generally accepted means of payment, it will take some more time.
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Cryptos can very well be used in the countries with troubled economies. But those  cryptos have to be bught from the free market and not the one created by their government. That will lead to even bigger failure. Take example of Venezuela and petro currency. Both The petro and Venezuela's economy are big failures. It will only make sense if those cryptos are directly bought from the market using strong currencies like USD, EUR etc. This way we can seclude the crypto market from the risk of their weak economy and the influences of their corrupt governments!

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It think you might got your  tittle  wrong but in my there is no way national  currency  can not  be spend in that  national .  when a country is facing financial crisis not mean  their currency  useless , country  like Zimbabwe and Venezuela is using their national currency  but when  inflation happen, that  country always depends on foreign currencies.  and bitcoin is global  currency  which  makes it easy  to  transfer and secured. so it   good  for you to keep  bitcoin when u are living in such  country  just  to  make it  easy  for you do  international  transaction like buying product online  because Most  bank in this country dont have enough foreign currency  for such  transactions .. In country  Ghana most  people use to  investor their money  into  USD but our national currency  has  real value too.    

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What cryptocurrency do, I believe fiat currency can do except for being decentralized. Fiat currency is a government issued currency after all.  The country stated by OP may have a record of increasing cryptocurrency adoption but I believe only a few of them are into cryptocurrency.  We can check their demography and see if majority of the citizen have the capability to buy and transact in cryptocurrency.  Another thing is the availability of internet on that region.  I would be surprised if the stated country will have wifi everywhere beating those developed country in terms of internet coverage.  So using cryptocurrency in places like that would be much more expensive than just using fiat currency local currency or foreign currency.  In short, it is more economical to use fiat currency in state like Zimbabwe.    I wonder why OP thinks that this kind of thing can't be done in fiat currency (trading and inter person transactions).

Considering that their currency is basically unusable, Zimbabwe has adopted cryptocurrencies as a means of trade especially after their banks wouldn’t allow them to make transactions using foreign currency. So far the use of cryptocurrencies there is rising and it probably won’t stop until they fix their economy. This shows that cryptocurrencies can help countries that have problems with their currency.

Did the government of Zimbabwe issued a decree to use Cryptocurrency because their own currency is unusable?  May I have  a link of this?
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It will be a very effective way of gaining adoption through the grassroots level, there are millions of unbanked people around the world who do not have access to any financial institution such people needs an alternative way to transact and crypto can solve that problem for them, only that most unbanked people might have a little issue understanding how to use it, but idea is great.
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Take example of Venezuela and petro currency. Both The petro and Venezuela's economy are big failures.

Petro currency is a joke, with whitepaper full of inconsistencies and turned out to be a clone of the Dash cryptocurrency.

The populist - socialist party with ties to Maduro tried to introduce a similar project in Ecuador. Thankfully, the masses said "no way". The problem here is not crypto, but the quality and honesty (or lack of) of the governments (whether they want to promote their own shady crypto-project, or ban/talk bad of crypto in general to protect their own interests)
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I dont think theres anything a cryptocurrency can do that fiat cant do. Of course, removing the decentralized system of transaction of crypto, anything it can do is basically what fiat could also do. And besides, due to the limited adoption of crypto around the globe, crypto itself is limited and could not perform as well as fiat as a type of currency used. All because of the lack of adoption of it.

There is actually one thing I can think of that cryptocurrencies does perfectly well (at times) that fiat can't in its 50 years of existence: hold actual value. Sure, crypto can be one hell of a roller coaster ride, but despite all the crashes and burns it takes, it still is a good store of value over time, just look at bitcoin for example. Side by side with gold and fiat, only bitcoin and gold managed to get a hold of value for the past 10 years, meanwhile fiat continues on a downhill slope no matter how good the global economy performs.
This is true. But it's not the only thing. Another thing that comes to my mind is that cryptocurrency can offer money that cannot be faked. Unfortunately, no matter how sophisticated the methods of verifying cash become, it can still be faked, and it will never reach such precision as cryptos already have thanks to blockchain.
As for the idea of the op, I am not sure about cryptos and countries with such serious economical troubles. Could cryptos help? In a way, but they are still really volatile. Moreover, it can become expensive to use cryptos as more people do it, and expensive transactions are not something a very poor person can afford. Not to mention that cryptos require electronic devices that might not be available for such people. Apart from that, cryptos can only help preserve some money these people still have, but not actually help to survive unless people can pay for food and utilities with their Bitcoin, so to speak.

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Nowadays the world’s economy seems to be stable in a majority of the developed nations. However, for some of the less developed nations their economies are not doing so well compared to the more developed nations. In these countries, their economies might not be going so well due to conflicts in the regions, mismanagement by their governments and sometimes in the worst-case scenarios corruption by their respective governments.
World economy is now facing the worst of all time. Here the grown nations as well as the developing nations were not an exception. There are countries that have gone economically down due to lack of management and corruption. For the same they haven't moved to cryptocurrencies.
In such cases, the value of their currencies is not very high in the global economy or in some cases such as Zimbabwe, are worthless to use for transactions. While some people in those countries just use trusted currencies such as the US Dollar as it is trusted by people worldwide, there is another alternative: cryptocurrency.

Considering that their currency is basically unusable, Zimbabwe has adopted cryptocurrencies as a means of trade especially after their banks wouldn’t allow them to make transactions using foreign currency. So far the use of cryptocurrencies there is rising and it probably won’t stop until they fix their economy. This shows that cryptocurrencies can help countries that have problems with their currency.

Another example would be Venezuela. As we know now, the region is rather unstable with their economy not doing so well, however, some of the people there are able to get by using cryptocurrencies which further proves that cryptocurrencies can greatly benefit places with economic difficulties.

Zimbabwe and Venezuela people have begun to use cryptocurrencies higher than the past, but there is nothing like the progress of cryptocurrency is growing much high eliminating the usage of fiat. Zimbabwe suffered economic collapse years back and experts gave suggestion for bitcoin adoption which might help in the recovery within certain number of years, and that hasn't encouraged much big level of usage, growth, acceptance as Op mentioned.

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October 10, 2019, 10:35:22 PM
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Nowadays the world’s economy seems to be stable in a majority of the developed nations. However, for some of the less developed nations their economies are not doing so well compared to the more developed nations. In these countries, their economies might not be going so well due to conflicts in the regions, mismanagement by their governments and sometimes in the worst-case scenarios corruption by their respective governments.

In such cases, the value of their currencies is not very high in the global economy or in some cases such as Zimbabwe, are worthless to use for transactions. While some people in those countries just use trusted currencies such as the US Dollar as it is trusted by people worldwide, there is another alternative: cryptocurrency.

Considering that their currency is basically unusable, Zimbabwe has adopted cryptocurrencies as a means of trade especially after their banks wouldn’t allow them to make transactions using foreign currency. So far the use of cryptocurrencies there is rising and it probably won’t stop until they fix their economy. This shows that cryptocurrencies can help countries that have problems with their currency.

Another example would be Venezuela. As we know now, the region is rather unstable with their economy not doing so well, however, some of the people there are able to get by using cryptocurrencies which further proves that cryptocurrencies can greatly benefit places with economic difficulties.


If Venezuela and Zimbabwe become successful in Cryptocurrency as an alternative way to transact other their own or local currency, many people with the same situation as these countries can adopt these measures, and it will greatly enhance the uses of Cryptocurrency where their currency fails to deliver, we something to watch on these two countries.
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October 10, 2019, 10:45:14 PM
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Nowadays the world’s economy seems to be stable in a majority of the developed nations. However, for some of the less developed nations their economies are not doing so well compared to the more developed nations. In these countries, their economies might not be going so well due to conflicts in the regions, mismanagement by their governments and sometimes in the worst-case scenarios corruption by their respective governments.

In such cases, the value of their currencies is not very high in the global economy or in some cases such as Zimbabwe, are worthless to use for transactions. While some people in those countries just use trusted currencies such as the US Dollar as it is trusted by people worldwide, there is another alternative: cryptocurrency.

Considering that their currency is basically unusable, Zimbabwe has adopted cryptocurrencies as a means of trade especially after their banks wouldn’t allow them to make transactions using foreign currency. So far the use of cryptocurrencies there is rising and it probably won’t stop until they fix their economy. This shows that cryptocurrencies can help countries that have problems with their currency.

Another example would be Venezuela. As we know now, the region is rather unstable with their economy not doing so well, however, some of the people there are able to get by using cryptocurrencies which further proves that cryptocurrencies can greatly benefit places with economic difficulties.


How sure are you on Zimbabwe adopting to the use of cryptocurrency?  please provide the link to the source of your information regarding this. It will be of much help to make majority of us understand...
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October 11, 2019, 12:35:48 AM
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I agree on the part that there are these struggling developing countries that cannot stay put to the developed countries, and the gap is veri big, but I don't ever heard some of them specially Zimbabwe adopting to bitcoin because their government can provide them what they need. Can you cite some sources on that claim? I mean, the fact that they are struggling countries made me question even more your claim.

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October 11, 2019, 12:49:05 AM
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Maybe in times like economic crash in Venezuela and Zimbabwe where using their fiat would not be convenient, crypto would be a good alternative. As another example, in our country using crypto as payment when buying digital goods like mobile loads, game credits, paying bills or shopping online would give you discount when we use our wallet application or use crypto as payment. As we advance and crypto becomes widely adopted we will see more instances where crypto can be used in case of absence of payment via fiat.

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October 11, 2019, 12:57:52 AM
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I agree on the part that there are these struggling developing countries that cannot stay put to the developed countries, and the gap is very big, but I don't ever heard some of them specially Zimbabwe adopting to bitcoin because their government can provide them what they need. Can you cite some sources on that claim? I mean, the fact that they are struggling countries made me question even more your claim.

Zimbabwe is actually one of the most popular countries in the African region that is doing well with Bitcoin and people here are using the cryptocurrency to protect the money they have as inflation is eating its value. Now, I am not saying that majority of the population in Zimbabwe is into Bitcoin that can be impossible and a country no matter how poor its economy will always have some percentage of the population who can afford things or have the resources that can tap into cryptocurrency. And I think this is the beauty and advantage of Bitcoin both as a currency and a store of value.

I am sharing with you here three of good articles/news that explained more on the situation in Zimbabwe and the use of Bitcoin in that country:

Zimbabwe banned the US dollar from being used so local bitcoin demand is soaring again

Bitcoin For Sale at $50,000 in Zimbabwe

Bitcoin Fills Liquidity Gaps as New Zimbabwe Currency Flounders

One thing is sure here, the government is finding it hard to stop Bitcoin even if it is not recognizing the cryptocurrency and without the presence of a centralized crypto exchange...people can be doing P2P trading instead. Zimbabwe to me then is an inspiration to all of us who can always be complaining of the lack of infrastructure available at our means.



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