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October 15, 2019, 06:40:36 PM
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The problem isn't the noise. The problem is how much current the one power cable and its connections can handle safely. Not just that but how much they can handle indefinitely, since the machines rolling out now will need upwards of two years service life just to break even.

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October 15, 2019, 06:59:41 PM
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To clarify sidehack

The issue is c19/c20 cable and socket rates 16amp 24/7/365

So:

16 amp x 208 = 3328 watts
16 amp x 220 = 3520 watts
16 amp x 230 = 3680 watts
16 amp x 240 = 3840 watts

this cable is well made and is one of your better choices to run the gear.

https://www.amazon.com/NEMA-L6-30P-C19-Power-Cord/dp/B004WOE85S

I have 3 units pulling 3300 to 3500 watts using those cables they are whatsminer and they  downclock when my volts drop too low.  my guess is this will be an issue sooner or later.

It simply would have been a lot easier to have these units use 2800 watts or even 2600 watts.

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October 15, 2019, 07:06:34 PM
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And safer. I've replaced 15A outlets in hosting that were drawing maybe 8A continuous and started to melt. Asking a cable and socket to run near 100% all day for multiple years isn't very smart. A mechanically solid connection like screw terminals is one thing but a friction fit like a blade/socket is different.

Actually, my opinion, the whole extreme density concept miners are built with now is stupid. I get that it allows them to shave off some overhead percentage by increasing the total cost of the miner that is chips, but the customer is demonstrably seeing none of that savings right now. Floorspace and shelfspace cost is almost nothing compared to operating cost, specifically power and maintenance and exhaust. With extreme density comes greater need for maintenance (and greater chance of fatigue and failure and fire) and tighter ventilation (and intake filtering) requirements for the meager savings of a half square foot per machine.

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October 18, 2019, 09:18:08 AM
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Just got this by email:

Quote from: Steven Mosher
Avalon Partners,
We appreciate your long term commitment and loyalty through the peaks and valleys of bitcoin working together with us to decentralize mining. It’s time to arm your farm for the next bitcoin bull run.

We want to share some exciting news with you. Our Avalon11 series will open for sale and we have a reward for our partners. Please read to the end to understand the October Offer and then email sales@canaan.io or you can try my personal mail; steve@canaan.io

AVALON 1166 -68T
First the Avalon 11 -68T series. The flagship version will ship at 68TH and 47 J/TH. Testing now shows performance above 71TH, and we may push it higher, but for now we are being conservative with the spec. There will also be a A11-56T at 56J/TH

Pricing and availability (and additional info)

  A11-68T   Qty  1-99  Price including PSU  $2055. ($/TH = $30.22 ; @47 J/TH => 3196W/h)

  A11-56T   Qty  1-99  Price including PSU  $1265. ($/TH = $22.58 ; @56 J/TH => 3136W/h)


Availability:  First customer ship is estimated to be The week of Feb 21,2020.

Avalon Partners Reward Offer
Offer Period closes on Oct 31,2019

Choose your coupon: $212 on A11 Purchase, $142 on A10 purchases

Eligibility:
1.     Partners who pay outstanding balances earn one coupon per machine

2.     Partners making new A10 Series\ A11 Series purchases paid in full by Oct 31 earn one coupon per machine

Coupon validity:
1. The coupon is valid until November 30, 2019, and the unused coupon expires.
2. From the coupon issue date to November 30, 2019, if the bitcoin price exceeds USD 10,000, the unused coupons will be cancelled

Edit: no mentions on the company website yet, https://canaan.io

A small comparison with Bitmain gear (only the one available to place an order now):

S17 PRO - 50th/s - $2503 (shipping 7 days after full pay) 50$/TH; 39.5J/TH, 1975 W/h

S17e - 64th/s - $2323 (shipping in January 2020) $36.29/TH; 45J/TH, 2880 W/h

S9 SE - 16th/s, shipping in 7 days after full pay - $26.87/TH; 80J/TH, 1280 W/h

S9K - 14th/h, shipping 7 days after pay - $18.78/TH; 85J/TH; 1190W/h

What are your thoughts? Will it drive Bitmain's price a bit lower?
I believe yes and no; the Halving is coming and February delivery is so so; but I have to admit the prices are better for the Avalon gear.
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October 18, 2019, 01:28:45 PM
Last edit: October 19, 2019, 03:17:17 AM by frodocooper
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So order one for a1156 for 1265 get 56 th and a coupon
Buy an a1166 for 2055-212 = 1843 get 68 th

Cost of 3168 plus shipping 124th  and you have a 212 left over coupon maybe see it for 68
Cost of 3100.  This is pretty cheap. But February is a long ways off.

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I got the same email
I have gear due
Oct
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I would not mind scheduling some of these for Feb and Jan

I wonder if they would allow PayPal as bitmain allowed PayPal for this last batch they put out.

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October 18, 2019, 01:54:50 PM
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Pricing looks good now compared to all other options, but nearly 4 months until delivery?!

It's interesting that they list Qty 1-99, previously they did not take direct orders for small quantities so you'd have to go to one of the distributors. I wonder if that is going to change for these batches.

The email suggests that the coupons are only for "partners", so guessing they won't be given to everyone.
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October 18, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
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Pricing looks good now compared to all other options, but nearly 4 months until delivery?!

It's interesting that they list Qty 1-99, previously they did not take direct orders for small quantities so you'd have to go to one of the distributors. I wonder if that is going to change for these batches.

The email suggests that the coupons are only for "partners", so guessing they won't be given to everyone.

The prices and efficiency are on point though.

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October 18, 2019, 05:16:35 PM
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They tweeted this our this morning as well. Still isn't clear what "partners" means, but they tweeted it out for everyone to see so maybe it is a public offer.

https://twitter.com/canaanio/status/1185183766223839232

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October 19, 2019, 04:13:09 AM
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It appears that Canaan has stopped publishing their source code in their GitHub repositories since the release of the A10 series. Given that the A10 (and presumably the A11) use cgminer — at least according to the only available documentation for the A10 — Canaan appears to have followed in the footsteps of the other manufacturers in violating cgminer's license.

If the A10 and A11 are using OpenWrt as the base OS, then Canaan is also violating OpenWrt's license by not publishing the source code for their fork of OpenWrt.

This is a regrettable development.
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October 19, 2019, 04:34:21 AM
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They tweeted this our this morning as well. Still isn't clear what "partners" means, but they tweeted it out for everyone to see so maybe it is a public offer.

https://twitter.com/canaanio/status/1185183766223839232

https://i.imgur.com/JJEwJYJ.png

I think it means customers or previous assumed buyers.  I got the email as well saying the exact thing.
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October 19, 2019, 04:35:13 AM
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It appears that Canaan has stopped publishing their source code in their GitHub repositories since the release of the A10 series. Given that the A10 (and presumably the A11) use cgminer — at least according to the only available documentation for the A10 — Canaan appears to have followed in the footsteps of the other manufacturers in violating cgminer's license.

If the A10 and A11 are using OpenWrt as the base OS, then Canaan is also violating OpenWrt's license by not publishing the source code for their fork of OpenWrt.

This is a regrettable development.
I doubt it.

Since if you check history, rather than guessing, they've usually released it later than the miner.

However, -ck also effectively shut down the cgminer git so go complain to him.

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October 19, 2019, 11:51:15 AM
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I beg to differ.

Canaan announced the A721 on 2016-11-07. Commit 04e6a4b, titled Add Avalon7 support, was committed by qinfengling on 2016-07-29 and published by Canaan in the avalon7-dev branch of their cgminer repository on 2016-11-05. In other words, Canaan published the source code for the A721's version of cgminer two days before they officially announced the miner.

Canaan announced the A821 on 2017-12-20 at the latest. Commit 6786bbd, titled Add Avalon8 support, was committed by qinfengling on 2017-09-11 and published by Canaan in the avalon8 branch of their cgminer repository on 2017-09-27. In other words, Canaan published the source code for the A821's version of cgminer roughly three months before they officially announced the miner.

Canaan announced the A921 on 2018-09-19 at the latest. Commit fbc869b, titled Add Avalon921 support, was committed by Johnson-Fan on 2018-09-10 and published by Canaan in the avalon9 branch of their cgminer repository on 2018-09-11. In other words, Canaan published the source code for the A921's version of cgminer roughly eight days before they officially announced the miner.

Canaan announced the A10 at 2019-03-28T15:21Z. It is now almost seven months since the official announcement and there is still no published source code for the A10 in any of their GitHub repositories at the time of writing. The only entry for the A10 to date is the avalon10-docs repository, which merely contains a manual for the A10's API.
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October 19, 2019, 02:34:21 PM
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I beg to differ.

Canaan announced the A721 on 2016-11-07. Commit 04e6a4b, titled Add Avalon7 support, was committed by qinfengling on 2016-07-29 and published by Canaan in the avalon7-dev branch of their cgminer repository on 2016-11-05. In other words, Canaan published the source code for the A721's version of cgminer two days before they officially announced the miner.

Canaan announced the A821 on 2017-12-20 at the latest. Commit 6786bbd, titled Add Avalon8 support, was committed by qinfengling on 2017-09-11 and published by Canaan in the avalon8 branch of their cgminer repository on 2017-09-27. In other words, Canaan published the source code for the A821's version of cgminer roughly three months before they officially announced the miner.

Canaan announced the A921 on 2018-09-19 at the latest. Commit fbc869b, titled Add Avalon921 support, was committed by Johnson-Fan on 2018-09-10 and published by Canaan in the avalon9 branch of their cgminer repository on 2018-09-11. In other words, Canaan published the source code for the A921's version of cgminer roughly eight days before they officially announced the miner.

Canaan announced the A10 at 2019-03-28T15:21Z. It is now almost seven months since the official announcement and there is still no published source code for the A10 in any of their GitHub repositories at the time of writing. The only entry for the A10 to date is the avalon10-docs repository, which merely contains a manual for the A10's API.

The a10 has a completely different GUI design. Maybe that change is in part why they did not publish the source code for it.

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October 19, 2019, 02:37:55 PM
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The a10 has a completely different GUI design. Maybe that change is in part why they did not publish the source code for it.

Yep, but if they still use the cgminer and openwrt, they should publish the source code.

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October 19, 2019, 02:54:02 PM
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Yea got the emails too, asking for clarity on MOQ and we'll have listings up as soon as possible. The dual psu input is a turn off to me even though convenient for most buildout. Still hesitant to run one on a single c19/20 cable though even with 30A 240V lines. After Innosilicon's continued delays, MicroBT as well and bitmain's low inventory on 17+ models and pricing roller coaster Canaan probably has the edge in market but only if you're patient enough. Feb is a long way out, the pricing is decent but I would expect it to get better unless market pumps.

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I emailed Canaan sales and asked for details. I just got a reply this morning. They say the MOQ is 60.



11 Series now on the website.

https://canaan.io/store/

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October 23, 2019, 12:18:14 PM
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Which just gives you a link to email them, where they tell you the MOQ is 60  Roll Eyes

Wait for them to go live on blokforge I guess if us peons what to buy one or two.

[edit] Which they are now: https://blokforge.com/product-category/new-miners/

First time in ages Canaan is power competitive with the competition. (S17, M20S)

Still not as good as the S17-Pro or S17+ but they are mucho dinero.

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October 23, 2019, 01:28:51 PM
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And right on cue BTC price tanks below $7500... lol. I'm sure that'll put a damper on the Blokforge orders.

4 Month delivery is just too long, I'll just wait and see what happens. I wish they would have just waited until at least mid-Dec. if not Jan. to offer these.
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Yea, saw the update and our canaan rep confirmed the moq the other day. Think our listings went up yesterday morning.

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October 27, 2019, 06:08:13 PM
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Looks like they've reduced prices. Response to Bitmain's price drops? $1978 for the 1166 and $1204 for the 1146.

Also added a new 10 series model, 1026.

https://canaan.io/store-2/

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