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October 13, 2019, 04:51:09 AM
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They use multiple adress because they believe if they put them all in one adress, people will know they are big holder in Bicoin. Maybe they are the real whales who try control price. So if we see now the price Bitcoin is still cheap than last year, they will try buy as much as possible.
I think they try make Bitcoin to dip.
That is maybe not only Bitcoin, they also hold some altcoin.
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October 13, 2019, 05:03:23 AM
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I think it's being split between 3 parties. Rich companies that want to get into crypto-currencies, trust fund operators that are starting to see that cryptocurrencies are a viable investment option, and other rich crypto traders that want to take advantage of the low price.

They use multiple adress because they believe if they put them all in one adress, people will know they are big holder in Bicoin. Maybe they are the real whales who try control price. So if we see now the price Bitcoin is still cheap than last year, they will try buy as much as possible.
I think they try make Bitcoin to dip.
That is maybe not only Bitcoin, they also hold some altcoin.
There's the ego factor, a lot of whales like to keep their currencies in a single wallet to show-off they have that much money, understandable.

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October 13, 2019, 05:31:10 AM
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They use multiple adress because they believe if they put them all in one adress, people will know they are big holder in Bicoin. Maybe they are the real whales who try control price. So if we see now the price Bitcoin is still cheap than last year, they will try buy as much as possible.
I think they try make Bitcoin to dip.
That is maybe not only Bitcoin, they also hold some altcoin.

The rationale for splitting in different wallet I.e if this is own by a single institution/entity would be for security reasons, the fear of getting hacked and having all the coins in one wallet, it will  be better to split them in different wallet, that seems to be a more logical reason,  

but idea of not wanting people to know they are whales is more of a joke,  I mean for any one to hodl 1000 btc in a wallet already has the mark of a whale, people already know they are in control of the market, there is no need to hide.

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October 14, 2019, 05:58:33 AM
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maybe bitcoin investors don't send bitcoin to one bitcoin wallet maybe because they doubt the security of their bitcoin wallet so they send bitcoin to several bitcoin wallets because bitcoin wallets don't promise very safe security for users, imagine how sad they would be if they lost a bit of their bitcoin.

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October 18, 2019, 02:08:22 PM
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I have just seen this tweet from glassnode on Twitter which shows that the number of addresses that hold over 1000 BTC has dramatically increased in the last year and a half. Pretty much since we have dropped from the $6000 level the BTC has started to be accumulated. Are they institutions? What's your take on that? Also why wouldn't they split their holdings in multiple addresses instead of keeping them all in one?

Looking at the graph we are approaching 2100 addresses with > 1000 BTC, that translates to at least 2,100,000 BTC.



There are two possibilities its either it is a big financial institution who have a huge capital that takes interest on bitcoin and started hoarding. The second is possibly it is the exchange itself that is just transferring their bitcoin holdings to certain addresses to make it more secure or for whatever reason why they did it. But I am hoping that it is the first thing I mentioned since when big companies and institutions entered cryptocurrency and bough a huge amount of bitcoins the amount of bitcoins in the exchanges becomes lesser and that would mean a high chance of the value climbing up.

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October 18, 2019, 02:50:57 PM
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I think this is a way of concealing wealth, It is very possible that there is only one owner or if it is owned by a group of hackers or scamers,
There are many reasons but I can only say that it is closer to the answer or the truth is that it is a way of hiding so that no one knows how rich its owners are. Or it is a security that the Bitcoin held by owner does not steal everything immediately.
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October 18, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
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I agree with o_e_l_e_o about the chart. It does look more like diversification than accumulation. In the case of accumulation we'd probably see the decrease in the number of less wealthy addresses and a small increase in the number of rich addresses. Adding quite a lot of rich addresses so fast indeed suggests that it's an operation of diversification performed by one or perhaps up to 3 companies (or 3 structural components on the company) methodically at specific dates. This should be indicated by a tiny decrease in the number of super-rich addresses during those days, but I don't know how to check such a thing.

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October 18, 2019, 04:54:47 PM
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I have just seen this tweet from glassnode on Twitter which shows that the number of addresses that hold over 1000 BTC has dramatically increased in the last year and a half. Pretty much since we have dropped from the $6000 level the BTC has started to be accumulated. Are they institutions? What's your take on that? Also why wouldn't they split their holdings in multiple addresses instead of keeping them all in one?

Looking at the graph we are approaching 2100 addresses with > 1000 BTC, that translates to at least 2,100,000 BTC.


Probably yes probably not, there is no data or news that can tell us that those coins really owned by  institutional investors may be some whales decided to create additional wallets and distribute to these additional wallets unless we can trace on who owns the majority of these wallets that now holds over 1000 Bitcoin, and I don't see any bad reason why people will split their shares so many people are already doing this, and it's like not putting all your eggs in one basket.  

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October 18, 2019, 05:05:33 PM
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I think this is a way of concealing wealth, It is very possible that there is only one owner or if it is owned by a group of hackers or scamers,
There are many reasons but I can only say that it is closer to the answer or the truth is that it is a way of hiding so that no one knows how rich its owners are. Or it is a security that the Bitcoin held by owner does not steal everything immediately.
One of the feature of bitcoin is being anonymous so as long as your wallet is not associated with any business who deals with KYC procedure, your wallet is safe to be known in public., It seems that there's a chance of institutional investors who learned crypto as a good store assets to invest for longer term of holdings. Or possible that bag holders who splitting his assets to multiple wallets. Whatever it is, we don't have any chance to know since anonymity is there to prevent us knowing the real owners of those wallets

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October 18, 2019, 05:22:27 PM
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In my opinion this is because more entrepreneurs and investors are protecting their money in Bitcoin and they have purchasing power, somehow they have taken advantage of low prices and the accumulation has been great, the most important thing is that the benefits of technology Blockchain and cryptocurrencies achieve a practical and massive use.
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It's very easy to comprehend, so simple the price of bitcoin reduced and this made is easier for investors to getore and more, the bear market was not all that completely a disaster it just a time to get extra bitcoin
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October 18, 2019, 10:05:30 PM
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Probably an instition and maybe some of them are also businesses that are using Bitcoins. As time goes by, it is really expected that we can see an enourmous increase on different Bitcoin addresses that has Bitcoin balance, especially what the OP said ,the more than 1,000 BTC balance on different wallet addreses. Price + adoption, is the formula for that, that's why.

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I have just seen this tweet from glassnode on Twitter which shows that the number of addresses that hold over 1000 BTC has dramatically increased in the last year and a half. Pretty much since we have dropped from the $6000 level the BTC has started to be accumulated. Are they institutions? What's your take on that? Also why wouldn't they split their holdings in multiple addresses instead of keeping them all in one?

Looking at the graph we are approaching 2100 addresses with > 1000 BTC, that translates to at least 2,100,000 BTC.



I think that it is indeed being accumulated by institutionalized investors like businesses that involves bitcoin. Actually this isn't sound good for it does't shows adoption for these btcs only belongs to few individuals and not distributed to different addresses. Likewise, we don't have enough power to control those whales in the market who are indeed manipulating it. Maybe they are the ones who was there from the beggining of cryptos.



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October 19, 2019, 12:49:46 AM
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As time goes by, it is really expected that we can see an enourmous increase on different Bitcoin addresses that has Bitcoin balance, especially what the OP said ,the more than 1,000 BTC balance on different wallet addreses. Price + adoption, is the formula for that, that's why.
I don't really add too much value to wallet balances because whales more than ever tend to reduce the risk of holding a lot of coins in one address by distributing their coins amongst a multitude of wallets.

I'm a small fish but I have distributed my coins amongst multiple wallets too, and with me there are a lot of other people who did so. This mass movement of coins to the clueless people might appear to be mass adoption.

No doubt there are new investors entering the space, but news outlets always like to exaggerate every metric to make it appear that there is a lot going on in crypto land, while the reality isn't all that exciting at all.

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October 19, 2019, 12:53:44 AM
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I think there's a possibility here where it's not actually 2000 or so different entities/whales, but some of the addresses could just be owned by one really rich person who spreads out his funds... Just a theory though.

No doubt there been more institutional investments in the market in recent years, a lot of trust funds and venture capital funds have started looking at this market and there was a study that showcased that more traditional investors where starting to flow into our markets.

The more companies and influential people hold and showcase their support for crypto, the better.

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October 19, 2019, 01:26:28 AM
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Long back itself this is being practiced by the centralized Institutional investors who are against cryptocurrency. They give an outlook of opposing the cryptocurrencies and hold it indirectly. This means they're in need of bitcoin, because no asset is volatile to this extent.

When large volume fund gets accumulated in the form of bitcoin, the change in price will get a big return. This will help them overcome losses in a much easier way if something worse has taken place in their business. Particularly insurance firms are much into accumulation of bitcoin.

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October 19, 2019, 06:00:18 AM
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It's possible that some institutions already hold bitcoin in them, maybe they're just hiding it and not broadcasting it to the public. I don't think these institutions would just let bitcoin exist and does not care to hold at least some. This also signifies that bitcoin is still early and that there is demand that would keep bitcoin alive in the next years or more. It's not just another get-rich-quick scheme, I believe that it would become mainstream soon, the blockchain and cryptocurrencies have promising advantages and characteristics that'll attract more investors.
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October 19, 2019, 06:43:25 AM
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I think this is more of a thing Where it depends who do you call an institution ..
It may just be a person with a lot of money considering how many billionaires are there.. we cannot just say that it's an institution also at the same time when we think the black market have a lot of people with unlimited cash they would also be here so I think it more of a  sum , not just institutions , because they fear the government ... They are tied by it .. they will try and stay away from things that would be troublesome for them .

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October 19, 2019, 07:08:16 AM
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at this time I am sure investors who still keep a lot of bitcoin even more than 1000 Bitcoin are still very much and this also does not know whether the owner is still alive or not because usually investors who have that much bitcoin can no longer access their wallet, if can still access his wallet so he can definitely get a lot of benefits.

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October 19, 2019, 07:21:53 AM
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I have just seen this tweet from glassnode on Twitter which shows that the number of addresses that hold over 1000 BTC has dramatically increased in the last year and a half. Pretty much since we have dropped from the $6000 level the BTC has started to be accumulated. Are they institutions? What's your take on that? 
It is not surprising that people are accumulating bitcoin because we have another halving next year and everyone knows the history of bitcoin as it is really short and when ever there is a halving we tend to see a rally and everyone is expecting that this time too, there might be institutional investors and there may be millionaires or billionaires taking a risk to make profit.

why wouldn't they split their holdings in multiple addresses instead of keeping them all in one?
Splitting the coins in different wallets will be a wise idea to avoid any risk but the fact remains that if your system is compromised then you are doomed and if you know what you are doing then it does not matter.
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