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October 13, 2019, 12:27:32 PM
Last edit: October 21, 2019, 12:58:38 PM by ScamViruS
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When I saw the ann thread of lohncontrol.com, one of my words was OMG! Hundreds of newbie accounts are bumping their ann thread everyday.
It is like one liner post's flood! Looks like ann bumpers paradise in this place. Good project, don't do this kind of thing. All newbie account with which bumps lohncontrol's ann thread, usually all these accounts are involved with ann bumping service. Ann bumping is their main work imo. It is understandable if you check their post history.When you check their post history you will see all their posts are ann bumping. I think all these account should be banned from bitcointalk. And this project should be flag/tag for doing illegal work on bitcointalk.

Ann Thread:- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5146615.0

Ann Thread creator:- lohncontrol

Thread archive:- http://archive.is/IZjQj

For Example some members post history:-
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=929867;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1189555;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1798732;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=665718;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1798732;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=489628;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1049944;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=838898;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1005343;sa=showPosts
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=729778;sa=showPosts

There are about 500-600 accounts involved in this bumping flood.It is not an easy task to give post history of all accounts.




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October 13, 2019, 12:49:08 PM
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Any user spam the forum should be reported. But they are beating a dead horse. Newbies are no longer able to bump the threads with making those useless posts. The new bumping system has made such efforts ineffective.

The topic you mentioned is now on third page of "Announcements (Altcoins)" board.

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October 13, 2019, 01:09:23 PM
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They are still at it  Grin

Many of these new start ups are still unaware of the new system. They are only wasting money hiring some "bitcointalk growth hackers".
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October 13, 2019, 01:51:34 PM
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They are still at it  Grin

Many of these new start ups are still unaware of the new system. They are only wasting money hiring some "bitcointalk growth hackers".

Yes. Almost all projects want to make their project popular with everyone as soon as possible. So they use different techniques. Some greedy people offer this kind of bumping service by misleading them.

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October 13, 2019, 02:19:19 PM
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They are still at it  Grin

Many of these new start ups are still unaware of the new system. They are only wasting money hiring some "bitcointalk growth hackers".
Exactly, their bumping powers are not that much and even if they posted and posted as they are newbies that won't do much to make their thread be at the first page or make it at top of it unless there are some fraudster who'll sell their bump score to this greedy projects just to make them atop.

Still, those are annoying to see maybe you can report it in this thread: [CLUB] The SpamBusters! Busting rule-breakers for more than a year. and I guess mods will take care of that thread.

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October 13, 2019, 03:07:45 PM
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It is highly possible that they were hired by lohncontrol. I visited several pages of the end of that lohncontrol's Ann thread and found the most surprising thing is that most of Newbie's account was open long ago. And I saw some of them 2018 some 2017 some 2015, even some are 2013. So it is very doubtful that the accounts are more likely to be accounts of a few high ranked members of this forum.

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October 13, 2019, 06:37:18 PM
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The same thing is happening in Credits ANN topic.
It's actually a self-moderated topic but, I don't think the OP doesn't view it as a spam.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3375263.2340
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3375263.2360
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3375263.2380
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3375263.2400
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3375263.2420
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3375263.2440
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October 13, 2019, 06:44:50 PM
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The project devs are either not updated with the new bumping system in the forum or are being fooled by bumping services by convincing them that newbies posting in their thread are bumping their ANN threads on top of the list. Either way I don't think there is a quick solution for this and the only solution I see is them figuring it out on their own that their threads are not going on in the ANN section and the bump service they paid are basically worthless. They would eventually die down and we would see less and less of this newbie accounts creating fake conversations as a racket to earn money in BCT.
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October 13, 2019, 06:58:23 PM
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Most of the users that have posted there have already been banned, but the posts remain.

It is highly possible that they were hired by lohncontrol. I visited several pages of the end of that lohncontrol's Ann thread and found the most surprising thing is that most of Newbie's account was open long ago. And I saw some of them 2018 some 2017 some 2015, even some are 2013. So it is very doubtful that the accounts are more likely to be accounts of a few high ranked members of this forum.
A lot of the users post in the same threads in the same order. Seems like this bumping service is being used by multiple projects. Some of the posts have been pretty much copied, and pasted with slight variations making me further believe that they are all connected.

The project devs are either not updated with the new bumping system in the forum or are being fooled by bumping services by convincing them that newbies posting in their thread are bumping their ANN threads on top of the list. Either way I don't think there is a quick solution for this and the only solution I see is them figuring it out on their own that their threads are not going on in the ANN section and the bump service they paid are basically worthless. They would eventually die down and we would see less and less of this newbie accounts creating fake conversations as a racket to earn money in BCT.
Its bad from a spam point of view from the forum, but also a good way for outing scam projects. I'd like to think that any legitimate service would avoid doing this themselves or hiring someone to do it for them.
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October 13, 2019, 07:21:52 PM
Last edit: October 13, 2019, 07:36:44 PM by DaveF
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Most of the users that have posted there have already been banned, but the posts remain.

Why? I would think it would be better to trash their posts too. Just my view, but it would make the thread more empty which is kind of the point in preventing spam.
At least in my opinion.

I'd like to think that any legitimate service would avoid doing this themselves or hiring someone to do it for them.

Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy?
Seriously, people are going to try every trick in the book to get their thread bumped and due to the amount of crap in those boards they try everything they can think of to move their posts up. Otherwise even the best project is going to get buried.


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For now, I am intentionally not making it public who bumped each topic, since that way you can't prove that you bumped anything, and this may prevent people from selling their bumps as easily. I don't particularly object to making the approximate bump scores or bump powers public, but I didn't do this yet.

I would like to say I am very surprised that nobody of the higher posts / ranks has gotten PMs about I'll give you "X" BTC to post in / bump my thread.
That or if they did nobody has discussed it in the open.
[Note for people who need a bumping I can be bought...2BTC and I'll hit bump for you....just kidding....or am I?]

I know theymos has and I assume other mods have the data as to who hit bump, would be interesting to see. I know I did on one altcoin project that I like.

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October 13, 2019, 08:48:05 PM
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When I saw the ann thread of lohncontrol.com, one of my words was OMG! Hundreds of newbie accounts are bumping their ann thread everyday.
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October 15, 2019, 05:45:38 AM
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Why? I would think it would be better to trash their posts too. Just my view, but it would make the thread more empty which is kind of the point in preventing spam.
At least in my opinion.
There's various different reasons, but one of the reasons could be compromised accounts which requires admin intervention. From a reporting point of view you wouldn't know this, though.


Do you also believe in the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and the tooth fairy?
Seriously, people are going to try every trick in the book to get their thread bumped and due to the amount of crap in those boards they try everything they can think of to move their posts up. Otherwise even the best project is going to get buried.
I know for a fact that the tooth fairy doesn't exist. I mean it depends if the user has any morals or not. From my stand point of view if someone is going to be causing spam on a forum that they're advertising on then that's a red flag. I don't see the best projects doing it that's the point. Litecoin, Grin, and etheruem never had to resort to these bumping services.
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October 16, 2019, 04:18:18 PM
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The same thing is happening in Credits ANN topic.
It's actually a self-moderated topic but, I don't think the OP doesn't view it as a spam.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3375263.2340

Its scammers scamming scammers. This particular bumping service has been around for over a year. They have over a hundred accounts. I've (along with JollyGood and MaoChao) tagged about 40 of them for promoting scams. They have failed to inform their clientele that their threads are no longer being bumped to the top of the Alt ANN section as they used to.

I've linked them to a merit salesman and am in the middle of an extensive investigation of them... Funny how they can continue to find clients that aren't deterred by the (now orange  Roll Eyes ) negative trust mark, and who don't think to check if their thread is actually being bumped. The projects that hire them are basically getting ripped off, but they themselves are also likely also scammers, so I don't feel bad for them.

When I saw the ann thread of lohncontrol.com, one of my words was OMG! Hundreds of newbie accounts are bumping their ann thread everyday.
It is like one liner post's flood! Looks like ann bumpers paradise in this place.
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There are about 500-600 accounts involved in this bumping flood.It is not an easy task to give post history of all accounts.

This looks like the work of Vitor Services as they write in the exact same style, but I haven't looked into it to confirm yet. Same deal: scammers scamming scammers.

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Its scammers scamming scammers. This particular bumping service has been around for over a year. They have over a hundred accounts. I've (along with JollyGood and MaoChao) tagged about 40 of them for promoting scams. They have failed to inform their clientele that their threads are no longer being bumped to the top of the Alt ANN section as they used to.
The projects that use the bumping service. I think they should give the tag. Because they violate the rules of the forum.They bumping their Ann for showing fake community, to investors. Which is like a scam.

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October 16, 2019, 07:28:08 PM
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I think they should give the tag. Because they violate the rules of the forum.
Anything that's covered by forum rules, should be handled by Mods.

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October 16, 2019, 08:01:05 PM
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The projects that use the bumping service. I think they should give the tag. Because they violate the rules of the forum.They bumping their Ann for showing fake community, to investors. Which is like a scam.
To get faster actions on this kinda situation you should use the button of "Report to moderator" and forum mods will take immediate actions against them. Specially on this kinda spamming where hunderds of accounts are connected red tag isn't going to bring best results and its time consuming too. This spammers don't care about red tag and most of them even don't know yet why his profile trust area painted with red colours.


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I think they should give the tag. Because they violate the rules of the forum.
Anything that's covered by forum rules, should be handled by Mods.

I think. If someone tries to continue fake conversation with hundreds of newbie accounts on an Ann thread. Then the moderator should lock the thread.

This is just my opinion.

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October 17, 2019, 06:17:59 PM
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I think they should give the tag. Because they violate the rules of the forum.
Anything that's covered by forum rules, should be handled by Mods.

I think. If someone tries to continue fake conversation with hundreds of newbie accounts on an Ann thread. Then the moderator should lock the thread.

This is just my opinion.

A few days ago a same thing was happening to another ANN thread. Iasenko asked the moderators to lock the topic. Moderators were more strict than expected. They deleted that ANN thread.
Here is the topic made by iasenko.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5189961.0

As there are still many newbies making useless posts on the ANN thread you mentioned, might be a good idea to delete that or at least lock that.

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October 21, 2019, 09:17:50 AM
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Even after I opened this thread, surprisingly they continue to fake the conversation with their newbies account, just like before. I think this action will not stop until the right action is taken against them. Unless the thread lock, thread delete, action is taken,they will do the same things.

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October 21, 2019, 09:26:23 AM
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Even after I opened this thread, surprisingly they continue to fake the conversation with their newbies account, just like before. I think this action will not stop until the right action is taken against them. Unless the thread lock, thread delete, action is taken,they will do the same things.

Well, time to get those mods busy Cool

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