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October 13, 2019, 12:56:46 PM
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There are a lot of reasons to believe that the value of our fiat money is losing its real value. We have inflation eating into the worth of goods and services that our money can buy and although this can be controlled to a certain degree this can never be stopped nor eliminated from any economic system. Another major problem is the tendency of many central banks to just print more paper money (termed as quantitative easing which is nice to ears) and circulate them to the economy. Coupled with a high degree of economic and political uncertainties as well as lack of trust for the government, we can in an era uncharted and which repercussions can be felt in the coming years. 

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In a recent interview with the Swiss newspaper NZZ a, Sonntag, Mr. Gruebel explained that negative interest rates are having an adverse effect on fiat currencies. “Negative interest rates are crazy,” he said, adding “That means money is not worth anything anymore.”

Gruebel stated that as long as interest rates remain in place, the financial industry as a whole will continue to shrink. Last month, the European Central Bank (ECB) decided to cut interest rates to -0.5% and Marilyn Watson, global fundamental bond product strategy team head at Black Rock, explained that there is potential for interest rates to go more negative, especially in Europe and in Japan.

Countries such as Venezuela or Argentina are registering very high inflation rates. While Venezuela is currently in a hyperinflationary spiral, Argentina could shortly follow Venezuela’s steps. Populist governments are printing money trying to convince their populations that owning more coloured papers would make them wealthier.

This is where gold and Bitcoin (BTC) could eventually become important for society.

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As the fiat money is losing its value, more and more people will realize that it is time to get into the Bitcoin bandwagon as a way to partially protect their wealth and investments. That time is coming soon. We who are the pioneers in cryptocurrency have many things to thank for that we are involved at the right time. 

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October 13, 2019, 01:32:47 PM
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If you see, we might be heading towards a global recession. Trade war has lead to economic slow down in many countries. If that's the case people are likely to shift towards a safe investment asset which won't be much affected by the slowdown in economy. Gold has always been a safest option in such situations. But now since cryptocurrencies have gained enough marketcap and are popular enough, they can provide a better alternative investment as you must have seen that it isn't much affected by price movement of other financial assets.
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October 13, 2019, 01:42:19 PM
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If you see, we might be heading towards a global recession.
That's what people keep saying around here, and it's probably because its been a while since we've had one.  That doesn't mean one is coming.

Inflation in my country isn't too high and I don't believe the US dollar is losing its purchasing power very fast.  Inflation in the 1970s was so much worse than it is now.  The gold thing does have me a little concerned, tho.  When precious metals start moving upward, that could mean that something bad is on the horizon.  OTOH, it isn't as if gold or silver have exploded.  They seem to be inching upward, and neither one is anywhere near its all time high from 2011. 

That year (2011) was a bad year for the world economy, since the recovery from the 2008 crisis was slow and unemployment was soaring then.  I would expect if we were to see times as bad as that again, metals might start gaining in value much more than they have been.
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October 13, 2019, 01:47:30 PM
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If you see, we might be heading towards a global recession.
That's what people keep saying around here, and it's probably because its been a while since we've had one.  That doesn't mean one is coming.

You're right, just because we haven't had one in a long time, that doesn't mean we will have one coming soon. However, the recent trade wars between US and China along with other negative global economic news seem like big indicators that allude to it.

I do seriously hope that a recession doesn't occur again because many people will suffer and i look forward to cryptocurrencies becoming the light and solution against such economic crises.

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October 13, 2019, 02:09:19 PM
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There are a lot of reasons to believe that the value of our fiat money is losing its real value. We have inflation eating into the worth of goods and services that our money can buy and although this can be controlled to a certain degree this can never be stopped nor eliminated from any economic system. Another major problem is the tendency of many central banks to just print more paper money (termed as quantitative easing which is nice to ears) and circulate them to the economy. Coupled with a high degree of economic and political uncertainties as well as lack of trust for the government, we can in an era uncharted and which repercussions can be felt in the coming years. 

Most people from any countries don't understand what is really the inflation leads us even if they are highly educated which shows that all the governments wants to hide this thing from people.This is the reason why gold called as the storage of value since it never lose its value but the inflation causes the fiat to lose its value but for the normal human mind it will looks like gold price keeps increasing every year.

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October 13, 2019, 02:35:34 PM
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Still to early to speak about FIAT vs CRYPTOCURRENCIES but one thing is for sure,  cryptos are getting more and more attention and fiat is not necessary loosing value and most likely the inflation is too big and it started to feel in every domain. Gold is fine, it will always be fine so I wouldn't worry a bit about gold as its place in economy cannot be damaged no matter what.

About recession , the global charts indicate we are at the start on a new one ...so we'll have to wait and see what will happen...




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October 13, 2019, 02:43:36 PM
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The last global recession was in 2009, that's coincided with the rise of bitcoin, so I'm waiting for the next "global recession" to see the implicate towards bitcoin, whether it will pump bitcoin, dump bitcoin, or just like any other day in the market.
If fiat currency losing its value, gold should gain more value obviously, last year's gold price was $1223/ounce and today is $1488/ounce, it tends to increase even during trade-war. Considering bitcoin as digital-gold with its advantages and disadvantages, it should thrive as well following gold steps.
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October 13, 2019, 02:44:23 PM
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If you see, we might be heading towards a global recession.
That's what people keep saying around here, and it's probably because its been a while since we've had one.  That doesn't mean one is coming.
It may not come but huge changes would occur in the economical situation of every country once fiat money lost its worth. The issue of inflation is a huge topic and most people don't even know how inflation works which really makes the whole recession thing aj oke to the masses often. This lets the government do whatever they want however they want.

On a side note, if recession did occur, crypto could be a potential savior since it was said that crypto is not affected much by the changes in the financial market. With how fiat are losing its value, economic changes are happening, inflations in countries, could crypto potentially be our savior from a possible recession with how it works?

 
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October 13, 2019, 02:44:50 PM
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There are a lot of reasons to believe that the value of our fiat money is losing its real value. We have inflation eating into the worth of goods and services that our money can buy and although this can be controlled to a certain degree this can never be stopped nor eliminated from any economic system. Another major problem is the tendency of many central banks to just print more paper money (termed as quantitative easing which is nice to ears) and circulate them to the economy. Coupled with a high degree of economic and political uncertainties as well as lack of trust for the government, we can in an era uncharted and which repercussions can be felt in the coming years. 

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In a recent interview with the Swiss newspaper NZZ a, Sonntag, Mr. Gruebel explained that negative interest rates are having an adverse effect on fiat currencies. “Negative interest rates are crazy,” he said, adding “That means money is not worth anything anymore.”

Gruebel stated that as long as interest rates remain in place, the financial industry as a whole will continue to shrink. Last month, the European Central Bank (ECB) decided to cut interest rates to -0.5% and Marilyn Watson, global fundamental bond product strategy team head at Black Rock, explained that there is potential for interest rates to go more negative, especially in Europe and in Japan.

Countries such as Venezuela or Argentina are registering very high inflation rates. While Venezuela is currently in a hyperinflationary spiral, Argentina could shortly follow Venezuela’s steps. Populist governments are printing money trying to convince their populations that owning more coloured papers would make them wealthier.

This is where gold and Bitcoin (BTC) could eventually become important for society.

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As the fiat money is losing its value, more and more people will realize that it is time to get into the Bitcoin bandwagon as a way to partially protect their wealth and investments. That time is coming soon. We who are the pioneers in cryptocurrency have many things to thank for that we are involved at the right time. 



Bitcoin and Gold has a lot of advantages that we need to know. Although they varies in time, they don't vary in any bad circumstances or situation. Problem like inflation, fiat money decreases its value because of inflation.

Cryptocurrency has a lot of program on how you can store your money in a good hand. The same as gold, it never change its value from time to time. You better invest in something thay you're certain sure.

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October 13, 2019, 02:52:26 PM
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The thing here is that you are contradicting your own points by keeping two opposing points. First you talk about how inflation is harmful and then you say negative interest rates are joke too. But the thing is that inflation is the main reason why we have inflation in the very first place. interest is basically an incentive which the banks give you to fight with inflation. Now similarly they price their loans higher and therefore fight inflation in that case too but if we adopt a deflationary currency like btc even then the interest rates would go negative only. So either you can stop negative interest rates or stop inflation. By the way this instance of negative interest rate is temporary and will auto correct itself.
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October 13, 2019, 03:21:39 PM
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The cause of inflation in a country depends on how the government handles it's nation and how the economy is doing. But with some developed countries, inflation there are not that high compare to other countries. The worth of fiat money depends on what country. If we're talking about Venezuela and Zimbabwe, we can say that their money are losing (or already lost) its value while other countries with less inflation, their money still has value. As for bitcoin and gold getting important, gold was already important even before. It never loses its value until now. Bitcoin is the newest and is still gaining recognition which I can say that is important as it has value. I cannot say who's more important among the three as all of them have value. Anything that has value and valuable are important.

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October 13, 2019, 03:23:36 PM
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It is obvious that more people around the world are turning into saving cryptocurrencies instead of fiat and local currencies. Gold is a traditional asset and it is trusted by many people, but nowadays the financial revolution is represented in blockchain technology and cryptocurrency, and people are building trust with time on these assets too.
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October 13, 2019, 04:13:03 PM
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The world currency phase will change from fiat money to digital money, so we will wait for that moment where at that time fiat money has no value anymore, But the digital money phase will also not last long because the real currency will arrive namely gold, Yeah gold will become the world's currency again.
But for now, this is just all a speculative information that is lack of support. Maybe you were right of the fiat to digital money thing but I still doubt on that part since cryptocurrency doesn't work without fiat. And I don't think the government would allow the digital money to reign in power over fiat. Gold is exceptional since it has been here for over a century.

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October 13, 2019, 04:50:34 PM
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It is obvious that more people around the world are turning into saving cryptocurrencies instead of fiat and local currencies. Gold is a traditional asset and it is trusted by many people, but nowadays the financial revolution is represented in blockchain technology and cryptocurrency, and people are building trust with time on these assets too.
With the reports and speculations of a possible recession probably looming it's not surprising that fiat may lose their value but that will depend on the strength of each individual economy. Bitcoin wasn't widely used during the last recession and we are not going to know if and whether it is going to be affected or not but I am very certain that Gold will be able to survive and maybe generate profits for those that end up investing into it.
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October 13, 2019, 04:58:46 PM
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Yes, that right , everything you quote it's totally right.
since money can be printed , its just no more than paper with bright color,
but well, how the schme works is as the population continues to grow, the money printed will increase as well.
i am not saying money is a bad thing, because how we can live without it.
the point is , just buy something fcking rare like btc/gold or even lambo limited edition.

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October 13, 2019, 06:38:43 PM
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If you see, we might be heading towards a global recession. Trade war has lead to economic slow down in many countries. If that's the case people are likely to shift towards a safe investment asset which won't be much affected by the slowdown in economy. Gold has always been a safest option in such situations. But now since cryptocurrencies have gained enough marketcap and are popular enough, they can provide a better alternative investment as you must have seen that it isn't much affected by price movement of other financial assets.

I am worried if people suddenly flocks in to Bitcoin to escape the incoming economic crises.  It maybe good for us pioneers but I guess it will be devastating to those who rushed to take refuge since by that incident, Bitcoin might skyrocket in value, increasing multiple time than its actual value, that may cause lots of people losing their investment value once everything settles down.  See the buy -rush of 2017, lots of people were left with negative portfolio once the price correction occur.  But I think it is natural since same thing will happen to gold market if the same scenario happen.
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There are a lot of reasons to believe that the value of our fiat money is losing its real value. We have inflation eating into the worth of goods and services that our money can buy and although this can be controlled to a certain degree this can never be stopped nor eliminated from any economic system. Another major problem is the tendency of many central banks to just print more paper money (termed as quantitative easing which is nice to ears) and circulate them to the economy. Coupled with a high degree of economic and political uncertainties as well as lack of trust for the government, we can in an era uncharted and which repercussions can be felt in the coming years.

Actually in recent months, inflation has been fairly low which is why the Fed is contemplating further rate cuts on top of what is already 2 rate cuts. Other world central banks are also pursuing easings of their monetary policy.

So it would be unfair to say that fiat is losing purchasing power right now, in the short term.

But in the long run, fiat doesn't have what BTC or gold has, which is a natural hard cap on the circulating supply, which is what should be concerning to asset holders. Not necessarily the short term depreciation, which doesn't always exist unless the currency is grossly mismanaged like in Venezuela or Zimbabwe, earlier on.
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October 14, 2019, 12:54:02 AM
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Fiat hasn't really been losing value per say, it's just our regular inflation rates that are affected, but they've actually gone done in the past couple of years.

Inflation is impossible to stop, it's just a crucial aspect of our society, and it's commonplace for that to occur.

BTC has been getting more and more important in recent years, and the limited supply really does help out inflation and basically stops it, it's pretty futureproof.

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October 14, 2019, 04:16:42 AM
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Inflation is increasing but not necessarily means that fiat is losing worth. Bitcoin is slowly achieving main stream which is good. People are recognizing its worth and becoming more valuable to a lot of people. But we still end up converting our bitcoin and other crypto into cash for everyday use so it's still valuable
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I think because at this time in the future there have been signs of using digital currencies so that bitcoin and other cryptocurrency are increasing because there will be many requests that will use digital currencies that will make transactions that prove to be more efficient and easier when you want to use them.

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