[Closed] US Impeachment Hearings

[bluefirecorp_]

My thread here was removed before. Weird that this forum censors certain specific topics.

No shitposting allowed.  

Anyway, in July they had an impeachment vote. A lot of Democrats voted against it. All the Republicans voted against it. So, lots of Kurdish blood on these representative hands.

[bluefirecorp_]

Impeachment hearings are ongoing. 

I think we'll see results before the weekend.

[btcltcdigger]

Some people don't know, but if Trump is impeached, his term is invalidated... meaning he can theoretically be voted for 2 more terms as the 1st term is void.

Just food for thought

[friends1980]

My thread here was removed before. Weird that this forum censors certain specific topics.

No shitposting allowed.  

Anyway, in July they had an impeachment vote. A lot of Democrats voted against it. All the Republicans voted against it. So, lots of Kurdish blood on these representative hands.

Your thread isn't exactly a textbook example of consistency. I'm wondering, what is it about? Democrats vs. Republicans? The civil war in Syria? Turkey's attacks on Kurds in Syria? Or the current impeachment procedure - which is the actual title of your thread?

I'm not sure if you're sure yourself.

I do know that Biden has become quite silent since the beginning of this thing.

[bitmover]

Some people don't know, but if Trump is impeached, his term is invalidated... meaning he can theoretically be voted for 2 more terms as the 1st term is void.

Just food for thought

Are you sure about this? Can you link some legislation to support this affirmative?

In Brazil it is the exactly opposite: After impeachment the former president loses all his political rights, not being able even to vote for some years. This makes much more sense than what you are suggesting.

And US is a much more serious country than brazil.

[Jet Cash]

And US is a much more serious country than brazil.

Are you sure about that?

[friends1980]

Some people don't know, but if Trump is impeached, his term is invalidated... meaning he can theoretically be voted for 2 more terms as the 1st term is void.

Just food for thought

Are you sure about this? Can you link some legislation to support this affirmative?

In Brazil it is the exactly opposite: After impeachment the former president loses all his political rights, not being able even to vote for some years. This makes much more sense than what you are suggesting.

And US is a much more serious country than brazil.

Looks like it's true, I've found a quite interesting article on the subject right here: https://qz.com/1720279/could-trump-be-impeached-convicted-and-then-re-elected/

[Raja_MBZ]

Some people don't know, but if Trump is impeached, his term is invalidated... meaning he can theoretically be voted for 2 more terms as the 1st term is void.

Just food for thought

Are you sure about this? Can you link some legislation to support this affirmative?

In Brazil it is the exactly opposite: After impeachment the former president loses all his political rights, not being able even to vote for some years. This makes much more sense than what you are suggesting.

Not just Brazil, that rule exists pretty much in every country. I've read a little bit about laws around the globe and can tell you that even some of the African countries do not allow the president/prime-ministers to contest again if they are disqualified from the current term. TBH, some of the laws of US are very weird.

And US is a much more serious country than brazil.

Are you sure about that?

Politically, the US should be a much more serious country than Brazil, but in reality, as of today, it's a much more hilarious country than most.

[xtraelv]

Some people don't know, but if Trump is impeached, his term is invalidated... meaning he can theoretically be voted for 2 more terms as the 1st term is void.

Just food for thought

Are you sure about this? Can you link some legislation to support this affirmative?

In Brazil it is the exactly opposite: After impeachment the former president loses all his political rights, not being able even to vote for some years. This makes much more sense than what you are suggesting.

Not just Brazil, that rule exists pretty much in every country. I've read a little bit about laws around the globe and can tell you that even some of the African countries do not allow the president/prime-ministers to contest again if they are disqualified from the current term. TBH, some of the laws of US are very weird.

And US is a much more serious country than brazil.

Are you sure about that?

Politically, the US should be a much more serious country than Brazil, but in reality, as of today, it's a much more hilarious country than most.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/article/article-i

[Raja_MBZ]

...and:

Senate Acquits Trump, Ending Historic Trial

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/us/politics/impeachment-vote.html

[iluvbitcoins]

...and:

Senate Acquits Trump, Ending Historic Trial

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/05/us/politics/impeachment-vote.html

https://media.tenor.com/images/532c3f2c9e6f3d4ea7d1b0602f857c73/tenor.gif

[xtraelv]

He will probably be re-elected. Another four years of mayhem. At least he will still be in office when the economic consequences of his actions hit. 

[iluvbitcoins]

He will probably be re-elected. Another four years of mayhem. At least he will still be in office when the economic consequences of his actions hit. 

Which economic consequences are you talking about? The trade deal with China?

The pact is intended to open Chinese markets to more American companies, increase farm and energy exports and provide greater protection for American technology and trade secrets. China has committed to buying an additional $200 billion worth of American goods and services by 2021 and is expected to ease some of the tariffs it has placed on American products.

But the agreement preserves the bulk of the tariffs that Mr. Trump has placed on $360 billion worth of Chinese goods, and it maintains the threat of additional punishment if Beijing does not live up to the terms of the deal.

Trumps economy is the best its ever been. Lowest unemployment and highest GDP!

[xtraelv]

He will probably be re-elected. Another four years of mayhem. At least he will still be in office when the economic consequences of his actions hit.  

Which economic consequences are you talking about? The trade deal with China?

The pact is intended to open Chinese markets to more American companies, increase farm and energy exports and provide greater protection for American technology and trade secrets. China has committed to buying an additional $200 billion worth of American goods and services by 2021 and is expected to ease some of the tariffs it has placed on American products.

But the agreement preserves the bulk of the tariffs that Mr. Trump has placed on $360 billion worth of Chinese goods, and it maintains the threat of additional punishment if Beijing does not live up to the terms of the deal.

Trumps economy is the best its ever been. Lowest unemployment and highest GDP!

$5.088 trillion extra debt

Foreign trade balance that starts looking like a Bush presidency.

Just about every chart shows how Obama improved on the poor economy he inherited from Bush. Trump inherited an economy that was on the way up. But some of the decisions he has made will cause problems in the long term. I will archive this so I can say "I told you so" in five years time.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/9-charts-comparing-trump-economy-to-obama-bush-administrations-2019-9?r=US&IR=T














Xi and Putin are more trusted than Trump.  

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/477462-putin-xi-more-trusted-than-trump-worldwide-poll

China has a habit of stock piling. They will purchase materials just to meet the quota. It will cause raw materials to increase in price. That added value will mean they can charge more for the value added products that they sell later.

Tariffs are paid for by the consumer. Congratulations - your cost of living is going up while the extra debt makes up for the tax cuts given to the wealthy.  

[JollyGood]

Certainly seems to be heading that way now that the impeachment proceedings are over and he held up the "aquittal" headlines in the newspaper, he is enjoying the attention. It will take a charismatic Democrat who can articulate him/herself to the audiences around the country to make it a one term presidency for Trump.

Regarding the mayhem, it will probably be a crazy 4 years no matter who was elected but hopefully it will be mayhem on a lesser scale if Trump was not re-elected. Maybe the #metoo movement might get re-invigorated and the many women that made accusations of sexual misconduct might put Trump back in the limelight for the wrong reasons. Do you see a Democrat that stands head and shoulders above all other candidates? Right now I cannot.

He will probably be re-elected. Another four years of mayhem. At least he will still be in office when the economic consequences of his actions hit. 

[xtraelv]

Certainly seems to be heading that way now that the impeachment proceedings are over and he held up the "aquittal" headlines in the newspaper, he is enjoying the attention. It will take a charismatic Democrat who can articulate him/herself to the audiences around the country to make it a one term presidency for Trump.

Regarding the mayhem, it will probably be a crazy 4 years no matter who was elected but hopefully it will be mayhem on a lesser scale if Trump was not re-elected. Maybe the #metoo movement might get re-invigorated and the many women that made accusations of sexual misconduct might put Trump back in the limelight for the wrong reasons. Do you see a Democrat that stands head and shoulders above all other candidates? Right now I cannot.

He will probably be re-elected. Another four years of mayhem. At least he will still be in office when the economic consequences of his actions hit.  

One good aspect of the "acquittal" is that if he was removed it would have probably descended into civil war.  US politics is so polarized that I doubt he would have gone quietly.

The other good aspect is that the Republicans that voted for acquittal now are tainted by every murky decision he makes and anything that gets exposed afterwards (they chose not to allow more testimony). I'm sure Trump will have done more dodgy stuff that we don't yet know about.

It is sad that someone so tainted has divided the country so much. I heard of family members that no longer talk to each other because of Trump.

I agree with your point that there is no charismatic Democrat that is likely to prevent a second term. The trail of destruction he will leave behind will last decades.

Fortunately I'm unlikely to be affected by it much.

[JollyGood]

I also think if he had been removed from office it really would have descended in to chao and in to bitter animosity which would have lasted many years in US politics, he would never have gone quietly. For that reason alone a strong third political party with a wide reach base is really needed to challenge the dominance of the Republicans and the Democrats so shake up the status quo.

If family members no longer talk to each other because Trump is such a divisive figure then imagine the animosity between Republic and Democrats in the Senate. Maybe in the coming weeks a democrat will emerge that just might have what it takes to stop Trump getting re-elected. Right now it is very difficult to pick a clear winner, they all seem unsuitable to a degree but that must change as the weeks go by and some start dropping out while others get their act together and start growing in confidence.

Certainly seems to be heading that way now that the impeachment proceedings are over and he held up the "aquittal" headlines in the newspaper, he is enjoying the attention. It will take a charismatic Democrat who can articulate him/herself to the audiences around the country to make it a one term presidency for Trump.

Regarding the mayhem, it will probably be a crazy 4 years no matter who was elected but hopefully it will be mayhem on a lesser scale if Trump was not re-elected. Maybe the #metoo movement might get re-invigorated and the many women that made accusations of sexual misconduct might put Trump back in the limelight for the wrong reasons. Do you see a Democrat that stands head and shoulders above all other candidates? Right now I cannot.

One good aspect of the "acquittal" is that if he was removed it would have probably descended into civil war.  US politics is so polarized that I doubt he would have gone quietly.

The other good aspect is that the Republicans that voted for acquittal now are tainted by every murky decision he makes and anything that gets exposed afterwards (they chose not to allow more testimony). I'm sure Trump will have done more dodgy stuff that we don't yet know about.

It is sad that someone so tainted has divided the country so much. I heard of family members that no longer talk to each other because of Trump.

I agree with your point that there is no charismatic Democrat that is likely to prevent a second term. The trail of destruction he will leave behind will last decades.

Fortunately I'm unlikely to be affected by it much.

[iluvbitcoins]

$5.088 trillion extra debt

That's really bad, but the US has a continual problem with that. Neither of the previous presidents did any better.


I don't know what this is supposed to show.


"Best labor market since 1969 with low unemployment, first president to have GDP consistently higher than 3%, President Barack Obama was only the president to fail to achieve one year of 3% GDP growth."

https://content.fortune.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/jvff9.png

[xtraelv]

$5.088 trillion extra debt

That's really bad, but the US has a continual problem with that. Neither of the previous presidents did any better.


I don't know what this is supposed to show.


"Best labor market since 1969 with low unemployment, first president to have GDP consistently higher than 3%, President Barack Obama was only the president to fail to achieve one year of 3% GDP growth."

https://content.fortune.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/jvff9.png

Notice the inverse correlation with wage increases and unemployment. (There are other factors involved as well)

Wage increase also are deceptive. Often it is the high earners that get the largest increases. So while the high wage earners may get big pay increases there may be no or little increase for the blue collar workers.

Tax reductions benefit corporations, their owners and the wealthy. Reductions in Government spending eventually leads to lower circulation velocity and slows down the economy.

[Jet Cash]

Washington seems to have become a circus with elephants, clowns, tigers and acrobats. I gather the Democrats are thinking of having another go at impeaching Trump. What a stupid waste of money and time.