Satoshi wasn’t created by blockchain

[crossabdd]

satoshi didn't creat blockchain, because blockchain was created 17 years before Bitcoin was born. and with name Time-stamp. time-stamp was created in 1991 by Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta. but not adopted en masse. because it has a common problem of byzantium. and in 2008 satoshi solved this problem with alternative solutions. namely through proof-of-work created by Satoshi, then Bitcoin was born as a verification tool on the blockchain. so make no mistake. satoshi is not creator of the blockchain. but only perfecting time-stamps (now blockchain) that have common problems and solve them with bitcoin.

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[peter0425]

satoshi didn't creat blockchain, because blockchain was created 17 years before Bitcoin was born. and with name Time-stamp. time-stamp was created in 1991 by Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta. but not adopted en masse. because it has a common problem of byzantium. and in 2008 satoshi solved this problem with alternative solutions. namely through proof-of-work created by Satoshi, then Bitcoin was born as a verification tool on the blockchain. so make no mistake. satoshi is not creator of the blockchain. but only perfecting time-stamps (now blockchain) that have common problems and solve them with bitcoin.

Mind if you edit the title?because surely Satoshi wasn’t created by blockchain lol 🤪


Well your claim is interesting to read but you should give us those proof and links about the names mentioned above.

But in any way either Satoshi created blockchain or not then what must be a problem?blockchain is in the market now and the person you are referring dos have no claims at all,after more than 10 years you will open this topic,for what?any reason behind this mate?

[Mandoy]

I was confused with your title. It says blockchain did not create Satoshi. Well how can a technology create a human person. That was funny I guess just like the previous comments you need to change the title to avoid confusion.
Well it is clear that satoshi did not create blockchain technology since it was not attributed to him. What satoshi created was a by product of that technology and that is bitcoin. Even though he is not the inventor of blockchain but he is the one who popularized this technology through bitcoin and thus the technology became known in the world.

[Argoo]

satoshi didn't creat blockchain, because blockchain was created 17 years before Bitcoin was born. and with name Time-stamp. time-stamp was created in 1991 by Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta. but not adopted en masse. because it has a common problem of byzantium. and in 2008 satoshi solved this problem with alternative solutions. namely through proof-of-work created by Satoshi, then Bitcoin was born as a verification tool on the blockchain. so make no mistake. satoshi is not creator of the blockchain. but only perfecting time-stamps (now blockchain) that have common problems and solve them with bitcoin.

That makes little difference. If Satoshi Nakamoto upgraded the blockchain to its current form and created Bitcoin, it will nevertheless be considered the creator of both Bitcoin and blockchain technology. In our world, almost all ingenious ideas are not born from scratch, certain developments must exist before this and be preceded by the appearance of such an idea. Even now we know the general achievements of inventions that will be applied in the future. For example, it is predicted that humanity will soon launch in the near-earth orbit daa artificial suns that will constantly illuminate our planet. It will be a ball, approximately six meters in diameter, in which approximately the same nuclear reaction will take place, which is now taking place in the sun. However, only he will be considered its inventor who implements this in practice.

[seoincorporation]

satoshi didn't creat blockchain, because blockchain was created 17 years before Bitcoin was born. and with name Time-stamp. time-stamp was created in 1991 by Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta. but not adopted en masse. because it has a common problem of byzantium. and in 2008 satoshi solved this problem with alternative solutions. namely through proof-of-work created by Satoshi, then Bitcoin was born as a verification tool on the blockchain. so make no mistake. satoshi is not creator of the blockchain. but only perfecting time-stamps (now blockchain) that have common problems and solve them with bitcoin.

Satoshi doesn't create blockchain he created bitcoin. If you take a look at the whitepaper it talks about a cryptocurrency. Satoshi never says blockchain was his own creation but he explains how he uses it to make transactions and verify by confirming the transactions with block.

You should read the full document to understand what really create satoshi https://www.bitcoin.com/get-started/bitcoin-white-paper-beginner-guide

[crossabdd]

satoshi didn't creat blockchain, because blockchain was created 17 years before Bitcoin was born. and with name Time-stamp. time-stamp was created in 1991 by Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta. but not adopted en masse. because it has a common problem of byzantium. and in 2008 satoshi solved this problem with alternative solutions. namely through proof-of-work created by Satoshi, then Bitcoin was born as a verification tool on the blockchain. so make no mistake. satoshi is not creator of the blockchain. but only perfecting time-stamps (now blockchain) that have common problems and solve them with bitcoin.

Mind if you edit the title?because surely Satoshi wasn’t created by blockchain lol 🤪


Well your claim is interesting to read but you should give us those proof and links about the names mentioned above.

But in any way either Satoshi created blockchain or not then what must be a problem?blockchain is in the market now and the person you are referring dos have no claims at all,after more than 10 years you will open this topic,for what?any reason behind this mate?

this is just for knowledge guys. that actually Satoshi just continued. I hope with this simple understanding, when other people ask about who is behind the blockchain and bitcoin. then this can be answered simply.
and this is the link that I referred to https://www.publish0x.com/everything-cryptocurrency2/satoshi-did-not-invent-blockchain-xlqndn

[blckhawk]

I appreciate your willingness to bring kmowledge regarding the matter. Blockchain is indeed not an original idea of Satoshi. However, I think you should revise the title of the thread. It's like you are telling the people that Blockchain did not create Satoshi, which is in many ways wrong since Satoshi is human and technology cannot create a human. Kidding aside, I hope this would clarify beliefs of newcomers here that Blockchain and bitcoin are the same, and that they had the same creator, which is false.

[crossabdd]

Please take your time to read all this thread, it will lighten you up about your doubt. this thread called the complete satoshi.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5138181.msg50852252#msg50852252

and after that tell us your experience after reading it.

thank you for the reference friend. here I just convey simply about a little bit of the history of bitcoin and blockchain. yeah maybe my title is wrong. but my intention is to bring the reader to the part where the background of bitcoin hasn't been created and until the advent of bitcoin. so they are interested in learning a little bit of bitcoin history.

[crossabdd]

I appreciate your willingness to bring kmowledge regarding the matter. Blockchain is indeed not an original idea of Satoshi. However, I think you should revise the title of the thread. It's like you are telling the people that Blockchain did not create Satoshi, which is in many ways wrong since Satoshi is human and technology cannot create a human. Kidding aside, I hope this would clarify beliefs of newcomers here that Blockchain and bitcoin are the same, and that they had the same creator, which is false.

thanks friend, I have changed the title. that was my mistake in writing the title. I just want to bring others to learn a little about the history of blockchain and bitcoin. because I believe. with this little summary those who read can be more understand. and if I write in length. it will not attract their attention.

[Viper1]

satoshi didn't creat blockchain, because blockchain was created 17 years before Bitcoin was born. and with name Time-stamp. time-stamp was created in 1991 by Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta. but not adopted en masse. because it has a common problem of byzantium. and in 2008 satoshi solved this problem with alternative solutions. namely through proof-of-work created by Satoshi, then Bitcoin was born as a verification tool on the blockchain. so make no mistake. satoshi is not creator of the blockchain. but only perfecting time-stamps (now blockchain) that have common problems and solve them with bitcoin.

Neither did the ones you refer to in terms of time stamping. The Block Chain is nothing more than a linked list which developed way back in the mid 50s. Programmers use linked lists of things like structures, classes etc all the time and that's all the block chain is. The reason it's a "chain" though is because you can't remove items from the list without breaking it basically. Nor can you overwrite/change the items in the list and you can also validate each item to ensure it's supposed to be a link in the chain.

I'd also recommend you look over here as the Time Stamp is listed in the literature section associated with Satoshi as a reference etc.
https://nakamotoinstitute.org/literature/

[CryptoBry]

Blockchain technology is usually ascribed to Satoshi Nakamoto because he was the one who started to make it popular around 10 years ago. Yes, there is a possibility that he is not actually the one who created its basic structure but there is no question that Satoshi perfected it, hence we are giving him all the honor and glory for this achievement. Of course, there is nothing wrong if we are going deeper and really trace the full story and origin of the blockchain because that can also be adding to our arsenal of knowledge...

Who knows in a year or two there will be a Global Blockchain/Bitcoin Quiz Show and one of us here can be a participant...we can then be able to answer this question successfully and then expound some more for the sake of the audience watching anywhere in the globe. And the pot prize: 100 Bitcoin for sure.

Anyway, I agree with another post in this thread, if you look at the way things are, it does not matter much who actually created the blockchain as Satoshi Nakamoto himself resigned from this whole thing and I guess has no intention to get a Plaque of Appreciation from us for his huge contribution to this technology we are enjoying.

[slaman29]

Don't know what your beef is OP but satoshi never claimed to create blockchain, and all the information you already shared is known by all. As you say, and as is pointed out in the first page of the bitcoin whitepaper, he solves the double-spend problem with a trustless mechanism (as you say, the byzantium general problem).

So what else is new?

[Herbert2020]

Don't know what your beef is OP but satoshi never claimed to create blockchain, and all the information you already shared is known by all.

i wouldn't be so sure about that!
every now and then someone starts a new topic calling bitcoin the "first" and then clamming it is only successful only because it i was first. that proves people have no idea about the bitcoin's pre-history and the other attempts at creating similar things at a much smaller scale.

[franky1]

satoshi didn't creat blockchain, because blockchain was created 17 years before Bitcoin was born. and with name Time-stamp. time-stamp was created in 1991 by Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta. but not adopted en masse. because it has a common problem of byzantium. and in 2008 satoshi solved this problem with alternative solutions. namely through proof-of-work created by Satoshi, then Bitcoin was born as a verification tool on the blockchain. so make no mistake. satoshi is not creator of the blockchain. but only perfecting time-stamps (now blockchain) that have common problems and solve them with bitcoin.

blockchain is NOT timstamp
timestamp is just one subfeature of blockchain. as you very well point out. the main top feature of blockchain is the solution to the byzantine generals problem
satoshi even referenced that time stamp was PART of blockchain... but that does not mean timestamp was fully solely a blockchain, it wasnt

whats next say that google invented bitcoin because bitcoin used googles datastorage structure.

what the best description would be is that many different features which alone failed th security model that blockchains have, were patchworked together elegantly by satoshi seeing the big picture and it was the combined culmination of it all that made blockchain a masterpiece.

EG a car was not invented 1000 years ago because some cave dweller made a wheel. instead some genius put a wheel, an engine and some seats together in such a unique way that it changed the whole concept of transportation.

[crossabdd]

Don't know what your beef is OP but satoshi never claimed to create blockchain, and all the information you already shared is known by all. As you say, and as is pointed out in the first page of the bitcoin whitepaper, he solves the double-spend problem with a trustless mechanism (as you say, the byzantium general problem).

So what else is new?

nothing new guys .. this is just a simple explanation for someone who is looking for who is the creator of the blockchain and bitcoin, maybe my post is not detailed so it's hard to understand. but in essence is satoshi continuing the delayed blockchain and giving birth to bitcoin as a solution to the problem.

[crossabdd]

satoshi didn't creat blockchain, because blockchain was created 17 years before Bitcoin was born. and with name Time-stamp. time-stamp was created in 1991 by Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta. but not adopted en masse. because it has a common problem of byzantium. and in 2008 satoshi solved this problem with alternative solutions. namely through proof-of-work created by Satoshi, then Bitcoin was born as a verification tool on the blockchain. so make no mistake. satoshi is not creator of the blockchain. but only perfecting time-stamps (now blockchain) that have common problems and solve them with bitcoin.

blockchain is NOT timstamp
timestamp is just one subfeature of blockchain. as you very well point out. the main top feature of blockchain is the solution to the byzantine generals problem
satoshi even referenced that time stamp was PART of blockchain... but that does not man timestamp was fully solely a blockchain

whats next say that google invented bitcoin because bitcoin used googles datastorage structure.

what the best description would be is that many different features which alone failed th security model that blockchains have, were patchworked together elegantly by satoshi seeing the big picture and it was the combined culmination of it all that made blockchain a masterpiece.

EG a car was not invented 1000 years ago because some cave dweller made a wheel. instead some genius put a wheel, an engine and some seats together in such a unique way that it changed the whole concept of transportation.

so I hope it's not wrong if I make a statement that "satoshi perfects the time-stamp" and becomes a blockchain. because in my opinion the time-stamp is a part of the blockchain that is delayed and then continued and perfected by satoshi. (refine if my explanation is wrong)

[goto22]

satoshi didn't creat blockchain, because blockchain was created 17 years before Bitcoin was born. and with name Time-stamp. time-stamp was created in 1991 by Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta. but not adopted en masse. because it has a common problem of byzantium. and in 2008 satoshi solved this problem with alternative solutions. namely through proof-of-work created by Satoshi, then Bitcoin was born as a verification tool on the blockchain. so make no mistake. satoshi is not creator of the blockchain. but only perfecting time-stamps (now blockchain) that have common problems and solve them with bitcoin.

True, he did not create it from scratch, but he figured out how to make it work, so I think that he still deserves some credit for that. He also didn't invent digital money, but he did create a way for it to work, and it still works almost 11 years after the fact.

[sayaya17]

Maybe if you didn't write this thread I think Satoshi Nakamoto was the inventor of the blockchain technology and it turned out that the inventor of the blockchain technology was Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta but satoshi continued the delayed blockchain by giving birth to bitcoin as a solution to the problem, but Satoshi Nakamoto was the one who popularized this blockchain technology by creating Bitcoin as a blockchain verification tool.

[hatshepsut93]

namely through proof-of-work created by Satosh

Wrong, proof of work was first described in 1993, and the algorithm used by Bitcoin was created in 1997 by Adam Back, who later became active in Bitcoin community and is the founder and CEO of Blockstream.

As for timestamping, the concept of it was known for centuries or even millennia. What you are referring to when you talk about Stuart Haber and W. Scott Stornetta is a data structure that utilizes timestamping and cryptography to achieve immutability. It's an important predecessor of Satoshi's blockchain, but it's not the same.

[franky1]

so I hope it's not wrong if I make a statement that "satoshi perfects the time-stamp" and becomes a blockchain. because in my opinion the time-stamp is a part of the blockchain that is delayed and then continued and perfected by satoshi. (refine if my explanation is wrong)

karl benz didnt perfect the wheelbarrow and called it a car.
a wheelbarrow is not a car
a car was not invented at the same time as a wheelbarrow

a wheelbarrow was the first wheeled vehicle that could transport people/goods (farmers put sick/disabled/young into wheelbarrows to save having to carry them over shoulder)
a horse drawn cart next evolved from a wheelbarrow, but a horse drawn cart is not a wheelbarrow
a wheelchair got inspiration from a wheelbarrow. but a wheelchair is not a wheelbarrow

the word blockchain was never used until satoshi named it so
a car came hundreds of years after a wheelbarrow
a car was never used until the first car was made

satoshi took idea's of timestamp, took ideas of hashcash, tool idea's of data distribution. welded them togethr and created a whole new product

you cant say a cake is a perfection of a x0,000 year old product called an egg
the first cake maker did not perfect an egg. he used egg,wheat,butter and water.
water is not a cake
wheat is not a cake
butter is not a cake
eggs are not a cake