Journalists PANICKING After CA Law Effectively ENDING Freelance Journalism

[TECSHARE]

"Journalists Are PANICKING After Democrats Pass Law Effectively ENDING Freelance Journalism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXOSSI8ijns

[TheCoinGrabber]

LOL "journalists". 35 articles a year, yeah, I don't think that would be enough to support anyone. On one hand, this is a disturbing development and might be implemented more harshly on people with "wrongthink" and could be used to hide what's really happening in CA. On the other hand, people are going to stay away from CA writers because of the limitations and just commission the articles from elsewhere.

[BigBoy89]

Pathetic.

Two of the freelancers I'm working with are producing ~20 articles/week for me along. One is the US, the other is the UK. Ok, there are not CA based, but what if those idiots make it national-wide legislation in a year or two...
... Democrats are kicking their own chair it most-Democratic supportive state!

[TheCoinGrabber]

Pathetic.

Two of the freelancers I'm working with are producing ~20 articles/week for me along. One is the US, the other is the UK. Ok, there are not CA based, but what if those idiots make it national-wide legislation in a year or two...
... Democrats are kicking their own chair it most-Democratic supportive state!

More people on welfare, more power for the state I guess. Or maybe they really want to drive these people out of California to spread the cancer across the whole of America.

[Mometaskers]

Watched it and afterwards still confused about what they are trying to achieve. It's baffling. Maybe this is a pilot test on something that they intend to apply to the rest of the country? Maybe something that's going to be used to selectively target journalists writing right-oriented pieces? With these people, it's hard to tell what they're thinking or if they are even...

[TECSHARE]

Lots of character attacks and drooling.

I know you have a rock hard tiny boner for me Nutilduhh, never missing an opportunity to fling turds like a chimp contributing nothing to the actual discussion, but this really is sad. Speaking of things you don't understand, Tim Pool is a well known liberal, not that attacking his lean is an argument, but don't let that get in the way of your frothing bias. Also, people who throw the term "incel" around frivolously as an insult are extremely pathetic. If you were around in the 1920s US you would be the type of guy screaming about how "marijuana makes negros go crazy and rape white women."

[tvbcof]

More people on welfare, more power for the state I guess. Or maybe they really want to drive these people out of California to spread the cancer across the whole of America.

That's a hypothesis worth exploring.  Really!  Pattern match if other 'thought leaders' or entrenched and influncial people from the state find it necessary to re-locate because of policy directives.

[TheCoinGrabber]

More people on welfare, more power for the state I guess. Or maybe they really want to drive these people out of California to spread the cancer across the whole of America.

That's a hypothesis worth exploring.  Really!  Pattern match if other 'thought leaders' or entrenched and influncial people from the state find it necessary to re-locate because of policy directives.

Haha! I know it's pretty much tinfoil but the greatest changes are those that is barely noticeable. I already see a lot of people online saying that Texas has pretty much become blue from all the people moving from California.

Another equally tinfoil I've heard was that they are pushing people out of the state (and turning certain areas into shithole using hobos) is so the land can be bought up cheaply (the market value goes down if the street is covered in shit and used syringes) and resold later.

[tvbcof]

More people on welfare, more power for the state I guess. Or maybe they really want to drive these people out of California to spread the cancer across the whole of America.

That's a hypothesis worth exploring.  Really!  Pattern match if other 'thought leaders' or entrenched and influncial people from the state find it necessary to re-locate because of policy directives.

Haha! I know it's pretty much tinfoil but the greatest changes are those that is barely noticeable. I already see a lot of people online saying that Texas has pretty much become blue from all the people moving from California.

Another equally tinfoil I've heard was that they are pushing people out of the state (and turning certain areas into shithole using hobos) is so the land can be bought up cheaply (the market value goes down if the street is covered in shit and used syringes) and resold later.

I don't do 'tinfoil hat', and I absolutely don't reject an idea because it is labeled by someone as such.  Indeed, just the opposite because the term is cultivated for use in rejecting ideas which need extra kick of illogical rejection because they actually are valid.

Another similar tool is to promote a hoax like 'flat earth', then conflate perfectly valid concerns (vaccine concern, climate change skepticism, etc) with the fabricated hoax.

These kinds of gimmicks work well on weak minded people who are terrified to be separated from their 'herd'.  Unfortunately that is a strong majority of the peeps.  It's just how 'normies' are wired.  Oh well.

What I do are hypothesese.  If a hypothesis is nullified and/or does not work, they are valueless and forgotten.  If they continue to work (provide explanations for statistical anomalies, are useful for making accurate predictions, etc) they usually remain hypothesese but gain strength.

[Mandoy]

"Journalists Are PANICKING After Democrats Pass Law Effectively ENDING Freelance Journalism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXOSSI8ijns

If freelance Journalism will be removed then the remaining media left will be those who are being controlled by the government. If that is the case all news will be filtered leaving the democrats to have control over the news. Their bad reputation will be replaced by positive publicity, corruption and other illegal activities done by the government will no longer be shown on mass media. Aside from that they can just make their enemies to have bad reputation by streaming negative issues on their political opponent. This move is to protect their greed that is financial authority as well as political monopoly.

[DaveF]

It's kind of funny as I know exactly *3* people who are freelance and they all on the total opposite side of this from what the article says.

Now, it's not a real scientific study and for 2 of them it's not their "real job" more of a profitable side gig but they both think it's great.
The one that does it full time thinks it's better then great.

Mostly they feel it puts the smaller writers doing side jobs on one side and the ones that do this for a living on the other. Or as the full timer put it (more or less)

"If you do handyman work on the side people don't expect you to have the best tools, an amazing work van, and possibly you might look the other way about a permit or 2, and that's fine. You are fixing a porch or hanging a cabinet or replacing a vanity in the bathroom. You are probably not ripping out someones kitchen and redoing everything as a side job after your real job." He then went on to say that as a full time freelancer he was frequently loosing jobs to people who would undercut him on similar spec articles because as he put it, they were not paying their own insurance, didn't have a real home office, etc. So now, if the publications want to really keep doing this then they are going to have to make a decision as to (once again his words) "use the day laborers standing in front of Home Depot to do your remodel or hire a real contractor"

The part timers think it's good because they feel that if they do cross the threshold it's a badge of honor type thing and can demand more $ from the publishers since they are obviously used a lot.

Now, I don't have a real view on this, I just got sucked into the conversations with all them at different times over the last week about this and then saw this post today.
I figured I would wind up playing some sort of referee but they all more or less had the same view.

Could be for many different reasons, don't know or for the most part care. Just figured I would share. Feel free to ignore....

-Dave

[KingScorpio]

"Journalists Are PANICKING After Democrats Pass Law Effectively ENDING Freelance Journalism"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXOSSI8ijns

well its still no big change, is just shifts from a financially defined media system towards a state oligarchial one, people will still behave illegally even more, as it would restrict their freedom.

[squatz1]

"THIS IS AN APOCALYPTIC SCENARIO!!

I'm not exaggerating!"

 

What a tard.

Watched it and afterwards still confused about what they are trying to achieve. It's baffling. Maybe this is a pilot test on something that they intend to apply to the rest of the country? Maybe something that's going to be used to selectively target journalists writing right-oriented pieces? With these people, it's hard to tell what they're thinking or if they are even...

See, that's the problem. You are considering a heavily biased YouTube video to be "news" instead of trying to understand what the bill was actually about. It was written mainly to help increase rights for Uber and Lyft drivers, but a particular sentence written rather ambiguously about freelance writers is being construed as THE END OF FREELANCE JOURNALISM!!!!!

Any right wing incel can start a YouTube channel and get other right-winged incels fired up about issues they don't understand, so long as they blame Democrats for all of their problems. From the Hollywood Reporter article referenced by the YouTuber:

AB 5's vague language prevents even the closest observers from understanding the full effects the law will have come Jan. 1. Aaron Colby, a labor lawyer and partner at Davis Wright in Los Angeles, notes that the law does not specify what a "putative employer" is — is it a particular publication, such as Rolling Stone or The San Diego Union-Tribune, or an umbrella organization, like Gannett or Tribune media, that may own it and other publications? In addition, the law does not state whether, if a freelance writer submits more than 35 published submissions, the 36th will fall under AB 5 or all 36 submissions will (35 of them retroactively). "The courts are going to have to figure that out," Colby says.

In short, its likely the bill won't affect anybody's ability to make money as a freelance journalist.

Isn't that how most of the online BS news works anyway? Though people will always remember that you get more clicks if you write things like "THE END OF FREELANCE JOUNRALISM" or something crazy along those lines.

God damn. This isn't going to effect anyone.

[TECSHARE]

Isn't that how most of the online BS news works anyway? Though people will always remember that you get more clicks if you write things like "THE END OF FREELANCE JOUNRALISM" or something crazy along those lines.

God damn. This isn't going to effect anyone.

As usual you miss the forest for the trees. Instead of taking clickbait titles into account and integrating that information, you just dump the whole of it  (as if the mainstream media you worship at the feet of don't do exactly the same thing). This is a category error. There is no such thing as bad information, only useless interpretations of it.

[squatz1]

Isn't that how most of the online BS news works anyway? Though people will always remember that you get more clicks if you write things like "THE END OF FREELANCE JOUNRALISM" or something crazy along those lines.

God damn. This isn't going to effect anyone.

As usual you miss the forest for the trees. Instead of taking clickbait titles into account and integrating that information, you just dump the whole of it  (as if the mainstream media you worship at the feet of don't do exactly the same thing). This is a category error. There is no such thing as bad information, only useless interpretations of it.

This is clearly misinformation:

"Journalists PANICKING After CA Law Effectively ENDING Freelance Journalism"

Freelance journalism isn't being "ended" in any sense of the word.

And you felt the need to perpetuate it as if it were legitimate. Why?

Because that's what he does, that's his only role on here. He just  spreads misinformation on here, probably on twitter, instagram, facebook etc as well (and if he doesn't use those, maybe his own blog, steemit, etc)

So yeah. Unsure of why someone like this is going to continue to spread misinformation, but they have their fun doing it.

[TECSHARE]

Because that's what he does, that's his only role on here. He just  spreads misinformation on here, probably on twitter, instagram, facebook etc as well (and if he doesn't use those, maybe his own blog, steemit, etc)

So yeah. Unsure of why someone like this is going to continue to spread misinformation, but they have their fun doing it.

Excuse me little boy? You have a lot to learn about the world, but I am sure you have it all figured out before you have reached drinking age. Just because I discuss issues that your favorite pasteurized and regurgitated corporate approved mainstream media platforms doesn't, doesn't mean I spread disinformation, that is just a sign of your own cognitive dissonance being unable to discuss concepts you don't agree with and instead making character attacks. That's fine, though, ultimately it is you who will pay the price of your blind allegiance to your corporate overlords. Just don't forget people like me who's faces you spit in for simply trying to introduce you to new ideas when you do finally put on your big boy pants and realize how much you don't know.

[squatz1]

Because that's what he does, that's his only role on here. He just  spreads misinformation on here, probably on twitter, instagram, facebook etc as well (and if he doesn't use those, maybe his own blog, steemit, etc)

So yeah. Unsure of why someone like this is going to continue to spread misinformation, but they have their fun doing it.

Excuse me little boy? You have a lot to learn about the world, but I am sure you have it all figured out before you have reached drinking age. Just because I discuss issues that your favorite pasteurized and regurgitated corporate approved mainstream media platforms doesn't mean I spread disinformation, that is just a sign of your own cognitive dissonance being unable to discuss concepts you don't agree with and instead making character attacks. That's fine, though, ultimately it is you who will pay the price of your blind allegiance to your corporate overlords. Just don't forget people like me who's faces you spit in for simply trying to introduce you to new ideas when you do finally put on your big boy pants and realize how much you don't know.

Alright. Blocked.

[TECSHARE]

Because that's what he does, that's his only role on here. He just  spreads misinformation on here, probably on twitter, instagram, facebook etc as well (and if he doesn't use those, maybe his own blog, steemit, etc)

So yeah. Unsure of why someone like this is going to continue to spread misinformation, but they have their fun doing it.

Excuse me little boy? You have a lot to learn about the world, but I am sure you have it all figured out before you have reached drinking age. Just because I discuss issues that your favorite pasteurized and regurgitated corporate approved mainstream media platforms doesn't mean I spread disinformation, that is just a sign of your own cognitive dissonance being unable to discuss concepts you don't agree with and instead making character attacks. That's fine, though, ultimately it is you who will pay the price of your blind allegiance to your corporate overlords. Just don't forget people like me who's faces you spit in for simply trying to introduce you to new ideas when you do finally put on your big boy pants and realize how much you don't know.

Alright. Blocked.

Ooooh noooo! Don't ignore me! Way to prove you are able to tolerate ideas that challenge your currently held beliefs. You sure showed me!

For everyone else:

https://asja.org/California_Freelance_Restrictions

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-10-25/hiltzik-freelance-writers-gig-worker-law

[TECSHARE]

He blocked you because you're an asshole, not because he can't tolerate your ideas. If you could perhaps try to make your point without being such a flaming nugget of condescension and assholery, perhaps your ideas would be better entertained by others. Has that ever once occurred to you since you've been a member of this forum? I'm willing to tolerate alternate viewpoints just fine, so long as they aren't being given by someone who can't help but work personal insults into every response.

Worst case scenario: California freelancers are limited to 35 submissions per employer per year. That is hardly "the end of freelance journalism" or an "apocalyptic event."

Best case scenario (and most probable): lawmakers work with lobbyists/concerned citizens to make sure the bill has absolutely no negative impact on freelance journalists.

[criticizes me for making personal attacks, works personal attacks into every reply you make to me]

If he doesn't like it maybe he should have left the personal attacks out of his own comments, either way I don't buy it. People love to shift the anger and fear generated from cognitive dissonance into any excuse they can manage. Any time I question his own knowledge of a situation its always the same pissy type reply even without personal attacks from my end. Anyways I really don't give a fuck if he or anyone else likes me. Being liked is overrated. People who measure their self worth on the approval of others are fucking losers.

Limiting a freelance journalist to 35 submissions a year IS effectively the end of freelance journalism in California because that is a weeks workload for some people. Of course you know better than The American Society of Journalists and Authors, because what would they know about their own field of focus? You are Nutillduuuhhhh after all, and you know more about their jobs than they do. Your assumptions that it will all be worked out are meaningless. This is a backdoor restriction on free speech with all the worst elements of a minimum wage and excessive government regulation.

[squatz1]

He blocked you because you're an asshole, not because he can't tolerate your ideas. If you could perhaps try to make your point without being such a flaming nugget of condescension and assholery, perhaps your ideas would be better entertained by others. Has that ever once occurred to you since you've been a member of this forum? I'm willing to tolerate alternate viewpoints just fine, so long as they aren't being given by someone who can't help but work personal insults into every response.

Worst case scenario: California freelancers are limited to 35 submissions per employer per year. That is hardly "the end of freelance journalism" or an "apocalyptic event."

Best case scenario (and most probable): lawmakers work with lobbyists/concerned citizens to make sure the bill has absolutely no negative impact on freelance journalists.

Ah look at that. Someone who understands what exactly is going on here.

The intention of the bill wasn't to end freelance journalism, and I highly doubt that is going to be what comes out of it. This is a bill that was forcing companies such as Uber, Lyft, Doordash, etc to pay their 'INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS' as EMPLOYEES. As the employees in their company were getting screwed and making nothing.

If this did present a real issue, it would be fixed. But until it is an issue, I highly doubt anything is done -- because no negative action will be taken against journalists.