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October 25, 2019, 02:09:52 AM
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Crypto Capital President Ivan Manuel Molina Lee was arrested by Polish authorities, accused of being part of an international drug cartel and involved in its money-laundering operations using Bitfinex.

Crypto Capital was a company with which Bitfinex allegedly entrusted $850 million, money the exchange said it was unable to access later. To cover the loss, the exchange conducted a $1 billion token sale in May.

...the Polish Ministry of Justice had seized bank accounts in name of Crypto SP. Z O.O. The seized funds, which amount to $350 million, reportedly belonged to Crypto SP. Z O.O. and NESP SP. Z O.O., two companies likely affiliated with Crypto Capital and Molina Lee, according to several financial documents. The seizure was a part of an anti-money laundering operation conducted by the Polish authority.



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The time has come to weed out the illegal operations conducted by this organization as this is a disgrace to the whole cryptocurrency industry. The message here is so clear: There is no place for a business like Crypto Capital in this industry and this should be serving a big warning to anyone doing the same thing or planning to do the same maneuvering.  Let's hope that Bitfinex and pother similar victims can be able to recover some funds they lost to this scumbag Crypto Capital.

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October 25, 2019, 02:16:01 AM
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Or at least bitfinex can learn from its mistakes and not entrust funds to any one entity... Why wouldn't they multisig those funds with a few other parties.

It'll be interesting to see if they get that 350 million credited back to them though.
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October 25, 2019, 05:33:25 AM
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Or at least bitfinex can learn from its mistakes and not entrust funds to any one entity... Why wouldn't they multisig those funds with a few other parties. It'll be interesting to see if they get that 350 million credited back to them though.

I can easily shrug off those newbies who are victims of hacking and scams online because they must really be innocent and ignorant of the industry they are threading into but when we talk about a big business like Bitfinex it is really a big WHY on my part how come they allowed themselves to be misled and fooled by the people of Crypto Capital. I guess stupidity and lack of common sense is really affecting us all, whether an individual or an organization which we assumed must have been exposed already to many possible risks and wide experience here in the world of cryptocurrency. Let's hope that Bitfinex can recover something from the amount of assets they lost to Crypto Capital and that there will no legal complications ahead.
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October 25, 2019, 03:08:02 PM
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Makes you wonder why they chose Poland. It's well known as one of the countries where crypto companies are not welcome. I remember reading about their biggest exchange Bitbay moving to Malta because it was being harassed by the authorities. I'd expect a large crypto operation to be in a more friendly country like Estonia, Malta, Germany, even Belarus.

This serves as a message that you are only anonymous as long as you don't exchange to fiat. Cryptocurrencies aren't a good for laundering.

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October 25, 2019, 04:32:17 PM
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Makes you wonder why they chose Poland. It's well known as one of the countries where crypto companies are not welcome. I remember reading about their biggest exchange Bitbay moving to Malta because it was being harassed by the authorities. I'd expect a large crypto operation to be in a more friendly country like Estonia, Malta, Germany, even Belarus.

This serves as a message that you are only anonymous as long as you don't exchange to fiat. Cryptocurrencies aren't a good for laundering.
This could be another message for people who were keep accusing crypto currencies mainly used for money laundering purpose,even if the do then sooner or later they will get caught like what happened in OP.









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October 25, 2019, 04:35:41 PM
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Or at least bitfinex can learn from its mistakes and not entrust funds to any one entity... Why wouldn't they multisig those funds with a few other parties.

It'll be interesting to see if they get that 350 million credited back to them though.
For sure they are already aware on what to do next.It was a mistake though for sure in next time it wont happen.Talking about that $350 Million
i doubt those amounts wont be credited.

This would be an another bad publicity for crypto and to those people who do have zero knowledge would simply believe out that crypto isnt a good thing to involve on.

Lastly, people who do commit these crimes are just right to face up consequences.This would be an eye opener and a warning to others would do the same thing.

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This could be another message for people who were keep accusing crypto currencies mainly used for money laundering purpose,even if the do then sooner or later they will get caught like what happened in OP.

I have to disagree there, most people don't know what they're talking about on this front. I've had people say "bitcoin is good for money laundering because of that guy from silk road that got arrested" which clearly it isn't good for laundering if you get caught...

For sure they are already aware on what to do next.It was a mistake though for sure in next time it wont happen.Talking about that $350 Million
Yeah hopefully, but it's not the first time bitfinex have lost crypto due to poor dilligence. First one I know of was this one. This was when I stopped using them...

i doubt those amounts wont be credited.

Is the double negative intentional?
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October 25, 2019, 07:56:50 PM
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Or at least bitfinex can learn from its mistakes and not entrust funds to any one entity... Why wouldn't they multisig those funds with a few other parties.

can't use multisig for fiat money. Wink

It'll be interesting to see if they get that 350 million credited back to them though.

fat chance. that money is tainted, tied to money laundering for drug cartels. it's no doubt gone forever.

i'm pretty sure bitfinex is out the full $850 million. my reading is that crypto capital held $850 million on behalf of bitfinex, some of which was seized. but all of it became inaccessible when crypto capital got targeted by law enforcement and became insolvent. the DOJ froze reggie fowler's money 6 months ago so they are obviously going after the money. i just doubt bitfinex will get a penny back.

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fat chance. that money is tainted, tied to money laundering for drug cartels. it's no doubt gone forever.

i'm pretty sure bitfinex is out the full $850 million. my reading is that crypto capital held $850 million on behalf of bitfinex, some of which was seized. but all of it became inaccessible when crypto capital got targeted by law enforcement and became insolvent. the DOJ froze reggie fowler's money 6 months ago so they are obviously going after the money. i just doubt bitfinex will get a penny back.

Won't it be given back to them after trial?

If it won't be given back,  these huge amount of money is really going to motivate authorities into seizing all these exchanges involving in money laundering. A slight error can be a chance to investigate the most reliable exchange too. $850M is a lot of money, they'd hire a SWAT team to get into the offices.   Smiley  Too bad for Molina, caught too early before the adoption takes place.

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fat chance. that money is tainted, tied to money laundering for drug cartels. it's no doubt gone forever.

i'm pretty sure bitfinex is out the full $850 million. my reading is that crypto capital held $850 million on behalf of bitfinex, some of which was seized. but all of it became inaccessible when crypto capital got targeted by law enforcement and became insolvent. the DOJ froze reggie fowler's money 6 months ago so they are obviously going after the money. i just doubt bitfinex will get a penny back.

Won't it be given back to them after trial?

If it won't be given back,  these huge amount of money is really going to motivate authorities into seizing all these exchanges involving in money laundering.

that's why some exchanges are so obviously concerned about having all their ducks in a row: money transmitter licenses, FINCEN registration, wire act and UIGEA compliance, partnerships with chainalysis and ciphertrace at al.....

bitfinex handed all that money to a shady unlicensed money transmitter. losing it this way was always a possibility.

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Or at least bitfinex can learn from its mistakes and not entrust funds to any one entity... Why wouldn't they multisig those funds with a few other parties.

It'll be interesting to see if they get that 350 million credited back to them though.

Probably because they couldn't find anyone else. And in other countries more money has been seized IIRC.

Makes you wonder why they chose Poland. It's well known as one of the countries where crypto companies are not welcome. I remember reading about their biggest exchange Bitbay moving to Malta because it was being harassed by the authorities. I'd expect a large crypto operation to be in a more friendly country like Estonia, Malta, Germany, even Belarus.

This serves as a message that you are only anonymous as long as you don't exchange to fiat. Cryptocurrencies aren't a good for laundering.

Bitbay just moved from Malta to Estonia. I'm not sure if Germany is a cryptocurrency-friendly company, seeing how few Bitcoin ATMs they have compared to Austria: https://coinatmradar.com/countries/

fat chance. that money is tainted, tied to money laundering for drug cartels. it's no doubt gone forever.

Not necessarily, unless Bitfinex knowingly participated in drug money laundering or knew people behind Crypto Capital did, but it will probably take years to get the money back.

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fat chance. that money is tainted, tied to money laundering for drug cartels. it's no doubt gone forever.

Not necessarily, unless Bitfinex knowingly participated in drug money laundering or knew people behind Crypto Capital did, but it will probably take years to get the money back.

anything is possible but i wouldn't hold your breath. this is an unlicensed shadow bank commingling bitfinex funds with colombian drug money, and the USA government is involved. returning bitfinex's money is not a priority---and i even wonder if fines and disgorgement will take precedent over crypto capital's creditors.

i also wonder if bitfinex will be implicated in some way. i'm not sure what their due diligence obligations are when dealing with payment processors like crypto capital, but these optics are bad:

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Crypto Capital President Ivan Manuel Molina Lee was arrested by Polish authorities, accused of being part of an international drug cartel and involved in its money-laundering operations using Bitfinex, according to several Polish news sites.

Polish Media RMF 24 said Molina Lee was sought by Polish authorities in connection with the seized funds, which was “about laundering money from Colombian drug cartels through the cryptocurrency exchange,” the article said.

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More drama involving Bitfinex.

These individual rogue actors are what is painting the entire crypto business scene in a bad light. The media obviously plays a role in propagating this type of stereotypes into the mainstream reader base as well. Money laundering occurs everywhere and yet, when the means of transaction is crypto, people seem to make a big fuss about it even though it might not even be near the size of some operations done with fiat.

Either way, my biggest takeaway is to avoid Bitfinex for now. They seem to have a history of associating with questionable characters.
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anything is possible but i wouldn't hold your breath. this is an unlicensed shadow bank commingling bitfinex funds with colombian drug money, and the USA government is involved. returning bitfinex's money is not a priority---and i even wonder if fines and disgorgement will take precedent over crypto capital's creditors.

It depends on the exact circumstances, we don't have the full picture. In the US the money would probably be gone forever though.




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October 26, 2019, 09:49:35 PM
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fat chance. that money is tainted, tied to money laundering for drug cartels. it's no doubt gone forever.

Not necessarily, unless Bitfinex knowingly participated in drug money laundering or knew people behind Crypto Capital did, but it will probably take years to get the money back.

This does raise some interesting questions about AML obligations when third party e-money/financial companies are involved.

The media reports allege that Bitfinex was being used to launder high volumes of illicit money. Shouldn't they have AML controls in place to prevent that from happening, long before multiple national police are seizing bank accounts?

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This does raise some interesting questions about AML obligations when third party e-money/financial companies are involved.

The media reports allege that Bitfinex was being used to launder high volumes of illicit money. Shouldn't they have AML controls in place to prevent that from happening, long before multiple national police are seizing bank accounts?

Since they dealt with fiat money, they likely had such obligations. And they did (try to) fulfill them since they did ask for KYC to deposit/withdraw money, the question is did they at least do the minimum that was required of them, or did they turn a blind eye to anything they shouldn't have.

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The time has come to weed out the illegal operations conducted by this organization as this is a disgrace to the whole cryptocurrency industry. The message here is so clear: There is no place for a business like Crypto Capital in this industry and this should be serving a big warning to anyone doing the same thing or planning to do the same maneuvering.  Let's hope that Bitfinex and pother similar victims can be able to recover some funds they lost to this scumbag Crypto Capital.
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Since they dealt with fiat money, they likely had such obligations. And they did (try to) fulfill them since they did ask for KYC to deposit/withdraw money, the question is did they at least do the minimum that was required of them, or did they turn a blind eye to anything they shouldn't have.
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October 27, 2019, 04:55:31 PM
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Or at least bitfinex can learn from its mistakes and not entrust funds to any one entity... Why wouldn't they multisig those funds with a few other parties.

It'll be interesting to see if they get that 350 million credited back to them though.

I've never been a fan of how Bitfinex handles their business knowing that they have been involved in some of these issues, whether it being caused by them directly or not. Apparently though, this one they outright messed up, and I don't think the $350 mil will ever get returned to them. Knowing how big Bitfinex is as an exchange entity, no one on their higher echelons has even thought of doing multisig for the funds, or it could be that they are somewhat involved in this scheme but just chose to play victim all along and the one that got arrested took all the blame..

There are some angles to view this issue on but I sure hope that Bitfinex isn't directly involved.

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October 27, 2019, 05:38:46 PM
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Apparently though, this one they outright messed up, and I don't think the $350 mil will ever get returned to them. Knowing how big Bitfinex is as an exchange entity, no one on their higher echelons has even thought of doing multisig for the funds, or it could be that they are somewhat involved in this scheme but just chose to play victim all along and the one that got arrested took all the blame..

It's fiat money which has been seized, multisig wouldn't have helped here. They need on and off ramps for fiat, but because they couldn't find a bank willing to do business with them (more transparent exchanges lose access to banking all the time), they were forced to rely on a shady intermediary.

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October 27, 2019, 05:53:35 PM
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Or at least bitfinex can learn from its mistakes and not entrust funds to any one entity... Why wouldn't they multisig those funds with a few other parties.

It'll be interesting to see if they get that 350 million credited back to them though.

Bitfinex has been cooperated with crypto capital for several years, even crypto capital provide banking service for some major exchanges such as Binance, Kraken, and BitMEX.
If you cooperate with someone for years, the trust will thrive between two parties especially when it comes to millions of dollars in stake. It just the mistake driven by the greediness of Ivan Manuel Molina being a part of a drug cartel money-laundering using cryptocurreny. Bitfinex is just unlucky.
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