BitCoin Cash

[bread_soul]

Hi all,
i'm new in this forum and in this world.
Yesterday i done my first mistake: i sent BCH from CoinBase to my own Electrum's address. Well, did i defininitively lose my BCH? Is there a way to find it and send it to CoinBase again (or to other wallet or somthing similar)?
Is it possible that my BCH don't exsit anymore in anywhere?

Thanks if someone can help me to understand...

M.

[big_daddy]

Hi all,
i'm new in this forum and in this world.
Yesterday i done my first mistake: i sent BCH from CoinBase to my own Electrum's address. Well, did i defininitively lose my BCH? Is there a way to find it and send it to CoinBase again (or to other wallet or somthing similar)?
Is it possible that my BCH don't exsit anymore in anywhere?

Thanks if someone can help me to understand...

M.

what is the receiving wallet address? so we can take a look on the blockchain explorer what has been done here

[bread_soul]

Hi all,
i'm new in this forum and in this world.
Yesterday i done my first mistake: i sent BCH from CoinBase to my own Electrum's address. Well, did i defininitively lose my BCH? Is there a way to find it and send it to CoinBase again (or to other wallet or somthing similar)?
Is it possible that my BCH don't exsit anymore in anywhere?

Thanks if someone can help me to understand...

M.

what is the receiving wallet address? so we can take a look on the blockchain explorer what has been done here

This is the confirm of Transation:
https://bch.btc.com/77c1cd410e2b3f1bacf5d10b31ca9bb6ebf2c1dc5fb4cd2a52189b3e7f5f19da

The receiving wallet address is: 1NMcsXxDfnhsubSpJkRgiQXKWJEJXGAodt

Thanks for your help!
M.

[mocacinno]

should be fairly simple... export the private key from your electrum wallet and import it into a bitcoin cash wallet. If i'm not mistaking, this should work.

btw... Treat the electrum wallet as compromised as soon as you export any key(s)... Create a new wallet and move all funds from the compromised wallet to the new wallet before exporting the private key.

[bread_soul]

should be fairly simple... export the private key from your electrum wallet and import it into a bitcoin cash wallet. If i'm not mistaking, this should work.

oh! wow! and can you tell me one kind of bitcoin cash wallet secure? 

[mocacinno]

oh! wow! and can you tell me one kind of bitcoin cash wallet secure?  

Not really, i try to stay away from bitcoin cash... However, if i remember correctly, i used the electrum fork for bitcoin cash for splitting my funds when BCH was initially forked.

I think it was https://electroncash.org/, but you should do your own research before installing this tough

[bread_soul]

oh! wow! and can you tell me one kind of bitcoin cash wallet secure?  

Not really, i try to stay away from bitcoin cash... However, if i remember correctly, i used the electrum fork for bitcoin cash for splitting my funds when BCH was initially forked.

I think it was https://electroncash.org/, but you should do your own research before installing this tough

yep, thanks.
you're not the first that tell me to stay away from BCH. Why? I'd like to understand better... if you want to explain

[mocacinno]

yep, thanks.
you're not the first that tell me to stay away from BCH. Why? I'd like to understand better... if you want to explain

Well... I try to stay objective, so i don't like to be drawn into the political debate surrounding the bitcoin forks.

I personally feel that the people that forked BTC to create BCH had every right to do so, and the changes they made in the sourcecode were valid.
However, i feel they failed to gain traction for their project, the major part of the community stood behind BTC, most dev's stood behind BTC, most companies stood behind BTC. So at some point they should have realised they were not the original BTC, but merely a fork...

Instead they tried to sell BCH as the "real" BTC (not with these exact words), so some newbies were more or less "lured" into buying BCH, a coin that has not as much support, is not used that much, has less hashrate, has a low price, isn't accepted by the majority of the community,...

Now, once again, i'm more interested in the technical aspect of bitcoin, i'm not trying to make any legal claims here... This is just the way i percieved the whole BTC/BCH debate.

[bread_soul]

yep, thanks.
you're not the first that tell me to stay away from BCH. Why? I'd like to understand better... if you want to explain

Well... I try to stay objective, so i don't like to be drawn into the political debate surrounding the bitcoin forks.

I personally feel that the people that forked BTC to create BCH had every right to do so, and the changes they made in the sourcecode were valid.
However, i feel they failed to gain traction for their project, the major part of the community stood behind BTC, most dev's stood behind BTC, most companies stood behind BTC. So at some point they should have realised they were not the original BTC, but merely a fork...

Instead they tried to sell BCH as the "real" BTC (not with these exact words), so some newbies were more or less "lured" into buying BCH, a coin that has not as much support, is not used that much, has less hashrate, has a low price, isn't accepted by the majority of the community,...

Now, once again, i'm more interested in the technical aspect of bitcoin, i'm not trying to make any legal claims here... This is just the way i percieved the whole BTC/BCH debate.

Clear. after all i am a member of "some newbies were more or less "lured" into buying BCH" 
Really thanks for your explanation! 
Now, i'll search the famous wallet, then maybe i'll change my BCH in BTC. if i'll find my BCH...

M.

[mocacinno]

Clear. after all i am a member of "some newbies were more or less "lured" into buying BCH"  
Really thanks for your explanation!  
Now, i'll search the famous wallet, then maybe i'll change my BCH in BTC. if i'll find my BCH...

M.

That's actually what i assumed  
don't be to hard on yourself tough... You're not the first one that buys the "wrong" coin, and you probably won't be the last one either...
That being said, BCH might have as much potential for increasing/decreasing in value as BTC... Personally i think BTC would be the safer bet, but that's just my gut feeling. It's perfectly possible that in a couple of months/years it becomes clear that holding on the BCH gave you more profit/less loss than holding on to BTC (i personally doubt this, but it's certainly possible).

As for your initial question: like i said: if your btc electrum wallet has funded addresses, make sure you create a new (empty) wallet and sweep all funds from your old wallet to the new wallet. Afterwards export the private key(s) from the addresses you mistakingly funded (electrum's gui should have an easy to use wizard to export the first 100? private key(s)) . Then use a BCH wallet and import the private key(s) belonging to the wrongfully funded address(es) and you should be able to spend your BCH.

I haven't tested this in a long time, but to the best of my knowledge, this should still be possible.

[bread_soul]

Clear. after all i am a member of "some newbies were more or less "lured" into buying BCH"  
Really thanks for your explanation!  
Now, i'll search the famous wallet, then maybe i'll change my BCH in BTC. if i'll find my BCH...

M.

That's actually what i assumed  
don't be to hard on yourself tough... You're not the first one that buys the "wrong" coin, and you probably won't be the last one either...
That being said, BCH might have as much potential for increasing/decreasing in value as BTC... Personally i think BTC would be the safer bet, but that's just my gut feeling. It's perfectly possible that in a couple of months/years it becomes clear that holding on the BCH gave you more profit/less loss than holding on to BTC (i personally doubt this, but it's certainly possible).

As for your initial question: like i said: if your btc electrum wallet has funded addresses, make sure you create a new (empty) wallet and sweep all funds from your old wallet to the new wallet. Afterwards export the private key(s) from the addresses you mistakingly funded (electrum's gui should have an easy to use wizard to export the first 100? private key(s)) . Then use a BCH wallet and import the private key(s) belonging to the wrongfully funded address(es) and you should be able to spend your BCH.

I haven't tested this in a long time, but to the best of my knowledge, this should still be possible.

It's seem to hard. now i'm trying but you know, i got my first wallet yesterday... everything is new and avery words i hear is like arabic.

[bread_soul]

Clear. after all i am a member of "some newbies were more or less "lured" into buying BCH"  
Really thanks for your explanation!  
Now, i'll search the famous wallet, then maybe i'll change my BCH in BTC. if i'll find my BCH...

M.

That's actually what i assumed  
don't be to hard on yourself tough... You're not the first one that buys the "wrong" coin, and you probably won't be the last one either...
That being said, BCH might have as much potential for increasing/decreasing in value as BTC... Personally i think BTC would be the safer bet, but that's just my gut feeling. It's perfectly possible that in a couple of months/years it becomes clear that holding on the BCH gave you more profit/less loss than holding on to BTC (i personally doubt this, but it's certainly possible).

As for your initial question: like i said: if your btc electrum wallet has funded addresses, make sure you create a new (empty) wallet and sweep all funds from your old wallet to the new wallet. Afterwards export the private key(s) from the addresses you mistakingly funded (electrum's gui should have an easy to use wizard to export the first 100? private key(s)) . Then use a BCH wallet and import the private key(s) belonging to the wrongfully funded address(es) and you should be able to spend your BCH.

I haven't tested this in a long time, but to the best of my knowledge, this should still be possible.

ehm, i'm stopping here already: "if your btc electrum wallet has funded addresses, make sure you create a new (empty) wallet and sweep all funds from your old wallet to the new wallet"
1. how can i know if my btc electrum wallet has funded addresses? i think yes, but how can i be sure? ===> OK IF IN BCH WALLET I PUT THE BTC ADRESS WALLET, I SEE MY BCH. SO, I DON'T LOSE IT, I THINK. GOOD. THIS IS A GOOD NEWS.
2. new empty wallet in electrum or in BCH's wallet?
3. the question is how can i sweep all funds if i don't see the funds?  

[mocacinno]

ehm, i'm stopping here already: "if your btc electrum wallet has funded addresses, make sure you create a new (empty) wallet and sweep all funds from your old wallet to the new wallet"
1. how can i know if my btc electrum wallet has funded addresses? i think yes, but how can i be sure? ===> OK IF IN BCH WALLET I PUT THE BTC ADRESS WALLET, I SEE MY BCH. SO, I DON'T LOSE IT, I THINK. GOOD. THIS IS A GOOD NEWS.
2. new empty wallet in electrum or in BCH's wallet?
3. the question is how can i sweep all funds if i don't see the funds?  

1) In your case, it should be fairly trivial, since you already indicated you were a new user... If you've never purchased btc, and nobody every gave you any btc, your btc wallet should be empty.
Moreover, if you open your electrum wallet, the wallet used to generate the address you wrongfully funded, and you see no balance while still seeing a green button at the right bottom corner, the odds of a btc address in this wallet being funded are small.

2) if your btc wallet is empty, you don't need to create a new wallet

3) same answer, if you don't own any unspent outputs on the btc network, you don't need to sweep funds...

I think the main problem here is the confusion... You bought BCH, BCH is not the same as BTC. Both are forms of crypto currency, both use the same private key format, both share the same history,... But after BCH forked from BTC, both coins became seperate coins, with seperate networks and seperate wallet software.

Electrum is wallet software written to connect to BTC nodes. The BCH you purchased was used to fund an address on the BCH network. The thing is: if you used a BTC wallet to create a BTC address, you can still export the private key from this BTC wallet and import it in a BCH wallet.... That's all... Both networks are completely seperated. Spending unspent outputs on the BCH network will have no effect on the BTC network and vice versa.

I'm leaving the office now, if you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask them here... Either somebody else will try to answer them, or i'll answer them when i have some spare time during the weekend.

[Lucius]

bread_soul, did you ever send any Bitcoin to Electrum wallet where you send BitcoinCash? The easiest way to check if there's anything in your wallet is to check balance, and for that, your wallet needs to be sync (green orb bottom right).

But let's just say you never sent anything else then this BitcoinCash to that Electrum wallet, then just download ElectronCash from link mocacinno is posted and import private key from the address where you send BitcoinCash (in Electrum).

You can get private key if you click on Address -> Pick one where you send BitcoinCash -> Right-click on that address -> Click private key -> Copy/Paste that key in ElectronCash in process of creating a new wallet: Standard wallet -> Import private key or address.

[bread_soul]

ehm, i'm stopping here already: "if your btc electrum wallet has funded addresses, make sure you create a new (empty) wallet and sweep all funds from your old wallet to the new wallet"
1. how can i know if my btc electrum wallet has funded addresses? i think yes, but how can i be sure? ===> OK IF IN BCH WALLET I PUT THE BTC ADRESS WALLET, I SEE MY BCH. SO, I DON'T LOSE IT, I THINK. GOOD. THIS IS A GOOD NEWS.
2. new empty wallet in electrum or in BCH's wallet?
3. the question is how can i sweep all funds if i don't see the funds?  

1) In your case, it should be fairly trivial, since you already indicated you were a new user... If you've never purchased btc, and nobody every gave you any btc, your btc wallet should be empty.
Moreover, if you open your electrum wallet, the wallet used to generate the address you wrongfully funded, and you see no balance while still seeing a green button at the right bottom corner, the odds of a btc address in this wallet being funded are small.

2) if your btc wallet is empty, you don't need to create a new wallet

3) same answer, if you don't own any unspent outputs on the btc network, you don't need to sweep funds...

I think the main problem here is the confusion... You bought BCH, BCH is not the same as BTC. Both are forms of crypto currency, both use the same private key format, both share the same history,... But after BCH forked from BTC, both coins became seperate coins, with seperate networks and seperate wallet software.

Electrum is wallet software written to connect to BTC nodes. The BCH you purchased was used to fund an address on the BCH network. The thing is: if you used a BTC wallet to create a BTC address, you can still export the private key from this BTC wallet and import it in a BCH wallet.... That's all... Both networks are completely seperated. Spending unspent outputs on the BCH network will have no effect on the BTC network and vice versa.

I'm leaving the office now, if you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask them here... Either somebody else will try to answer them, or i'll answer them when i have some spare time during the weekend.

i'm comfused, that's sure! but i'm more calm 'cause anyway i saw my BCH in BCH wallet. so, they exist yet. Now, i'd like to be able to move the BCH again on CoinBase 'cause CoinBase is really semple to use.
in my BCH wallet i can read "this wallet can be only consult". Now i think that this is the moment that i have to import the key. but i found a support group on telegram of that wallet and maybe someone can help me in this way. i hope you'll stay tuned

[mocacinno]

Be careful with support groups. Always keep in mind your private key and seed phrases must remain private at all times. Never ever share them....

[bread_soul]

OK I THINK I GOT IT.
THANKS THANKS THANK.
I sent bch on coinbase (i hope, nothing is arriving yet)....  

[Pearls Before Swine]

should be fairly simple... export the private key from your electrum wallet and import it into a bitcoin cash wallet. If i'm not mistaking, this should work.

btw... Treat the electrum wallet as compromised as soon as you export any key(s)... Create a new wallet and move all funds from the compromised wallet to the new wallet before exporting the private key.

Excellent explanation, thank you.  I've done the same thing before, sending bitcoin to a BCH wallet by accident and I never bothered to try to recover it (it was a small amount).  Now I can't even remember which transaction it was or which wallet I sent it from, but I'm almost certain it was my electrum wallet. 

You might have been addressing op here, but you helped me out a lot.  Wish I had a merit to give you.

[mu_enrico]

btw... Treat the electrum wallet as compromised as soon as you export any key(s)... Create a new wallet and move all funds from the compromised wallet to the new wallet before exporting the private key.

This is new to me. Is it applied also for Electrum (BTC) to Electrum (BTC) export/import function?
Or is it about Electron Cash (BCH) security?

Thanks.

[mocacinno]

btw... Treat the electrum wallet as compromised as soon as you export any key(s)... Create a new wallet and move all funds from the compromised wallet to the new wallet before exporting the private key.

This is new to me. Is it applied also for Electrum (BTC) to Electrum (BTC) export/import function?
Or is it about Electron Cash (BCH) security?

Thanks.

Sorry for the late reply: I have a week off work this week, so I'm afk most of the time.
To answer your question: it's about me not completely trusting electron cash's Dev team. Electrum is written by Thomasv, it has been community vetted so many times... Electron cash is a fork of electrum that has been modified. After these modifications, I don't feel it has been reviewed quite that much, so I don't feel secure importing keys or seeds into a wallet I don't fully trust, and keep on using said keys or seeds afterwards.

This is not an accusation tough...