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October 27, 2019, 09:38:04 AM
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Citing two senior administration officials, the New York Times reported that US special operations commandos had carried out a risky raid in north-western Syria on Saturday against a senior terrorist leader there, but did not name the person targeted.
Isis leader Baghdadi appears in video for first time in five years
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Iran was informed by Syrian sources that Baghdadi had been killed, two Iranian officials told Reuters on Sunday.

“Iran was informed about Baghdadi’s death by Syrian officials who got it from the field,” one of the officials said.

Reuters was also told by Iraqi security sources that Baghdadi had been killed.

“Our sources from inside Syria have confirmed to the Iraqi intelligence team tasked with pursuing Baghdadi that he has been killed alongside his personal bodyguard in Idlib, after his hiding place was discovered when he tried to get his family out of Idlib towards the Turkish border,” one of the sources told Reuters.

Read more about it  here.


Trump will make  statement at 9 am Washington time (13:00 GMT), might even be true since White House spokesman announced it as " major statement".

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ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is believed to have detonated a suicide vest during a raid conducted by the US military in northwest Syria on Saturday, according to a senior US defense official

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October 27, 2019, 10:46:23 AM
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Citing two senior administration officials, the New York Times reported that US special operations commandos had carried out a risky raid in north-western Syria on Saturday against a senior terrorist leader there, but did not name the person targeted.
Isis leader Baghdadi appears in video for first time in five years
Read more

Iran was informed by Syrian sources that Baghdadi had been killed, two Iranian officials told Reuters on Sunday.

“Iran was informed about Baghdadi’s death by Syrian officials who got it from the field,” one of the officials said.

Reuters was also told by Iraqi security sources that Baghdadi had been killed.

“Our sources from inside Syria have confirmed to the Iraqi intelligence team tasked with pursuing Baghdadi that he has been killed alongside his personal bodyguard in Idlib, after his hiding place was discovered when he tried to get his family out of Idlib towards the Turkish border,” one of the sources told Reuters.

Read more about it  here.


Trump will make  statement at 9 am Washington time (13:00 GMT), might even be true since White House spokesman announced it as " major statement".

edit: from CNN
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ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is believed to have detonated a suicide vest during a raid conducted by the US military in northwest Syria on Saturday, according to a senior US defense official

If this news is confirmed, it would be really great news for the whole region.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is spiritual leader and founder of ISIS.
Without him, I don't think ISIS will have strength to recover and start their terror again.
EDIT: just find another confirmation for this news in Croatian online portal: https://www.index.hr/vijesti/clanak/vodja-isila-je-mrtav-ceka-se-sluzbena-potvrda-sada-trump-najavio-obracanje/2127166.aspx

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October 27, 2019, 10:57:04 AM
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Yeah that news is all over the place, according to CNN "the final confirmation is pending while DNA and biometric testing is conducted".  

On top of that, this is what Trump tweeted last night
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1188264965930700801





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October 27, 2019, 12:29:20 PM
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Hope this time it's for sure. Baghdadi was previously killed by Iraq, Russians and US but still he lives. If he's really dead, it would be another great success in neutralizing religious extremism after bin Laden. A joint effort from Middle eastern governments, Russia and US.

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October 27, 2019, 12:30:45 PM
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If this news is confirmed, it would be really great news for the whole region.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is spiritual leader and founder of ISIS.
Without him, I don't think ISIS will have strength to recover and start their terror again.

Don't forget there's someone always ready and available to take his place supposedly this news is correct (which probably is). The second in command will take over his position and then continue from where he stopped. IS has out grown a one man terrorist group, kiling the leader won't have much effect since he can easily be replaced also if I'm not mistaken Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wasn't a very public individual, he doesn't come out openly often like others terrorist leaders do.

Not much of an achievement here, IS as a terrorist group hasn't been defeated. This is just a distraction for 2020 general election. Trump just been Trump with his tweet "something very big has just happened" trying to overhyped the situation for his benefit.

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October 27, 2019, 12:38:43 PM
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If this is true, I'd say it's too early to rejoice.
The principle lives on even after the death of a leader; that's why it will all depend in the next successor whether he'll stop this madness or start fresh with a new foundation.

Based on an article (and wikipedia), Abdullah Qardash is placed as the next successor. (source)

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Who is Abdullah Qardash?

Abdullah Qardash is from Tal Afar, a predominantly Sunni Muslim city in northwestern Iraq. He is a graduate of an Islamic Sciences college in Mosul and had served as an army officer during Saddam Hussein’s regime. Close to al-Baghdadi’s deputy, Abu Ala al-Afri, who was killed in 2016, Qardash was nicknamed the “Professor” and the “Destroyer” and was recognised as a brutal policymaker in the group. Described by some security analysts as cruel and authoritarian yet popular and well-respected among other IS members, Qardash was responsible for eliminating those who are against al-Baghdadi’s style of leadership.

Qardash shares a history with al-Baghdadi. The two were imprisoned together at Camp Bucca detention centre in Basra by the US forces over their links to al-Qaeda in 2003. Camp Bucca was where al-Baghdadi forged close alliances with other inmates while refining his vision for the so-called Caliphate.  Qardash had served as a religious commissar and a general sharia judge for al-Qaeda before pledging his allegiance to the IS.
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October 27, 2019, 01:53:37 PM
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Don't rejoice yet. From I remember this is not the first time this guy was reported dead. If true, well then good. I don't believe the madness will stop but it's one less psychopath on Earth.

The principle lives on even after the death of a leader; that's why it will all depend in the next successor whether he'll stop this madness or start fresh with a new foundation.

These can never be rooted out by simply killing leaders. The only way to make it stop is to dry up their recruitment pool at the same time. Which I think is hard in this part of the world.
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October 27, 2019, 02:05:18 PM
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They're saying he was fleeing towards the Turkish border. Is turkey hiding more people from his group? Kurds were fighting Isis, now Turkey is fighting Kurds and protecting terrorists. Islamists are brothers in the same religion so it's natural for them to protect one another. Tongue
It's good that he was found and killed but there's much more going one here. These extremists are nothing but puppets in the hands of much stronger people who are using them like dogs to scare the herd. When the work is done and dogs are no longer needed they get kicked out or killed.

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October 27, 2019, 02:36:35 PM
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Don't rejoice yet. From I remember this is not the first time this guy was reported dead. If true, well then good. I don't believe the madness will stop but it's one less psychopath on Earth.

The principle lives on even after the death of a leader; that's why it will all depend in the next successor whether he'll stop this madness or start fresh with a new foundation.

These can never be rooted out by simply killing leaders. The only way to make it stop is to dry up their recruitment pool at the same time. Which I think is hard in this part of the world.
Isnt there any confirmation if this one is legit? Yeah i remember this isnt the first time but basing into those reports seems like theres a high chance.

Talking about principles which cant really be changed up no matter what even leaders being killed i agree completely that if recruitment would be choked up then
there might be a chance but that thing is nearly impossible to be handled.

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October 27, 2019, 03:17:43 PM
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You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

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October 27, 2019, 05:22:02 PM
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You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

It's hard to impose ideas on uneducated people who want to be uneducated.
The average IQ in Muslim countries is so low that in developed countries a person would be seen as retarded. To make sure people comply with the rules they deny their women education and make sure they know "their place" from the early age.
You can't make a Muslim extremist change mind just as you can't teach a 7 year old to write essays on politics.

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If this news is confirmed, it would be really great news for the whole region.
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is spiritual leader and founder of ISIS.
Without him, I don't think ISIS will have strength to recover and start their terror again.

Don't forget there's someone always ready and available to take his place supposedly this news is correct (which probably is). The second in command will take over his position and then continue from where he stopped. IS has out grown a one man terrorist group, kiling the leader won't have much effect since he can easily be replaced also if I'm not mistaken Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wasn't a very public individual, he doesn't come out openly often like others terrorist leaders do.

Not much of an achievement here, IS as a terrorist group hasn't been defeated. This is just a distraction for 2020 general election. Trump just been Trump with his tweet "something very big has just happened" trying to overhyped the situation for his benefit.

I so much agree with the last two lines lol. Everything has turned political these days. I do wonder if they actually do anything or all government agencies just sit for a cup of coffee discussing what to post to make the public hyped and grab some votes and attention. Although, if the news is true, it's really an achievement for the governments which did this operation!
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October 27, 2019, 08:10:48 PM
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You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.


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October 27, 2019, 09:03:17 PM
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You cannot kill bad ideas by killing people.

You can only kill a bad idea (Islam) with a better idea.

It does matter that this rat has been killed.  

Kill religions and these types of problems (ISIS) will go away.

You are a little contradictory because you said that we can't kill an idea and religion is actually also an idea, a spiritual idea, so it can't be killed.

Daniel, I know English is not your first language so please read it again.  In the very second sentence, I said how an idea can be killed.

Killing people will not kill ideas.  That was the point of my post.

Religions will be killed by educating people and giving them the right epistemic tools to identify falsehoods.

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October 28, 2019, 03:05:45 AM
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RIP Simon Elliot.  I mean when you actually die; reports of your demise from the MSM indicate that you are still fine.


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October 28, 2019, 04:45:21 AM
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Who cares? I mean really, who cares about some scumbag's death. Well, I guess it would be a good idea to publish an article when I'll kill a mosquito.
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October 28, 2019, 04:53:53 AM
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Who cares? I mean really, who cares about some scumbag's death. Well, I guess it would be a good idea to publish an article when I'll kill a mosquito.

When someone who is considered the top wanted terrorist in the whole world died, I guess the news will publish articles on it. When someone who is elusive from authorities despite so many crimes that cannot be counted anymore finally falls, people will definitely talk and discuss about it, celebrate, and take a breath of relief. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is not just your ordinary mosquito.
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October 28, 2019, 04:58:05 AM
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A reasonable number of people around the world recognize what is going on here and have for some time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3g_sKf-mNs


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October 28, 2019, 05:06:48 AM
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When someone who is considered the top wanted terrorist in the whole world died, I guess the news will publish articles on it. When someone who is elusive from authorities despite so many crimes that cannot be counted anymore finally falls, people will definitely talk and discuss about it, celebrate, and take a breath of relief. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is not just your ordinary mosquito.
Mosquitoes killed significantly greater amount of people than any so-called wanted terrorist.

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In 2016, there were 216 million cases of malaria worldwide resulting in an estimated 445,000 to 731,000 deaths.

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On 23 April 2016, the United Nations and Arab League Envoy to Syria put out an estimate of 400,000 that had died in the war.

One year and 445,000 to 731,000 vs. 5 years and 400,000. Think about that.

This is why I'd prefer care about mosquitoes instead of dedicating resources to dealing with yet another abu-mabu-tumbo-jumbo. Especially if we would take into account that al-Baghdadi is linked with CIA and was merely a useful tool for them.
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I don't believe that shit.

He was only following the orders. He is probably resting on a big yacht and having fun with his underage virgin "wives" as a reward for his services to the US. Thanks to him the US once again could police the world.

Killing him? Haha... how naive.

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