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October 27, 2019, 11:03:11 AM Last edit: October 27, 2019, 11:48:05 AM by Wysi |
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What if all those big corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
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October 27, 2019, 11:26:18 AM |
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There is actually a statement, specifically the IRS 2014-21 where all virtual currencies are subjected to tax still. Therefore, stating that buying using BTC or any other crypto, is in fact, still liable to tax. As for the specifics, I don't really know but the 2014-21 already states that existing tax principles apply to transactions using virtual currency. The taxable events are Cashing out, Paying using crypto, Exchanging one crypto to another or Receiving mined crypto. These are some I just looked up in google and you can search for more information if you want specifics.
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October 27, 2019, 11:45:54 AM |
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What if all those bug corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
Actually it will bring slump in businesses in a longer term. It's because of the simple law of demand and supply. Business will have to sell their goods at lower and lower prices everyday while this would bring discomfort in them as no new money will flow in Economy and business will not be able to do new investment therefore hampering the employment opportunities and business growth opportunities overall. Someone's profit will always be at the stake of someone's loss. It might become a more rational and capitalist approach but there would technically be no outer aid to combat the situation.
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Wysi (OP)
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October 27, 2019, 11:51:30 AM |
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What if all those bug corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
Actually it will bring slump in businesses in a longer term. It's because of the simple law of demand and supply. Business will have to sell their goods at lower and lower prices everyday while this would bring discomfort in them as no new money will flow in Economy and business will not be able to do new investment therefore hampering the employment opportunities and business growth opportunities overall. Someone's profit will always be at the stake of someone's loss. It might become a more rational and capitalist approach but there would technically be no outer aid to combat the situation. Yes indeed I think market will will be doomed if every business transactions takes place in crypto due to the reasons which you have mentioned. This is a delicate situation which needs to be dealt accordingly as this seems to be one of the reasons why some countries are scared of crypto usage and trying to ban.
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October 27, 2019, 12:11:46 PM |
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What if all those big corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
Developed countries certainly already have regulations regarding taxes. there are several ways that allow the government to tax users of crypto. For example working together with local exchangers that are usually used to exchange crypto to fiat. In my opinion as we know, that it is still not possible to use crypto for living expenses or to buy something. The impact of the use of crypto on the economic sector is not much as long as the government still requires the use of fiat.
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October 27, 2019, 12:31:23 PM |
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What if all those big corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
Developed countries certainly already have regulations regarding taxes. there are several ways that allow the government to tax users of crypto. For example working together with local exchangers that are usually used to exchange crypto to fiat. In my opinion as we know, that it is still not possible to use crypto for living expenses or to buy something. The impact of the use of crypto on the economic sector is not much as long as the government still requires the use of fiat. I think in some American states, you can use bitcoin to pay for state taxes, but until this is widespread, crypto won't get traction.
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October 27, 2019, 12:42:50 PM |
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What if all those big corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
Tax is the primary and largest source of income of the government and as such, they are very important for the continuous operation of government services as well as the continuous implementation of various projects. Without tax, the government will surely die. We do not want this for sure. So even if the businesses are already accepting cryptocurrencies, they should still be responsible enough to pay the government their proper due. Crypto is not made to get away from taxes anyway. That should be clear to everyone.
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October 27, 2019, 12:45:24 PM |
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cryptocurrency usage in what role? if using cryptocurrencies as a substitution to the current fiat system , it is too early if you see the relative volumes of fiat , derivatives etc. compared to cryptocurrencies it is like 99.9 to 0.01% total the global market capitalization of all cryptocurrencies is estimated to be under 250 bil USD for example , the US debt is 100 times that , gold market 10x+ times that etc. , crypto is like a drop in the ocean at the moment things could change if/when the price grows 10-20 times , this is not sci-fi but a very real perspective but even then the bankers and the corporations behind the current system won't let go , see how many obstacles Libra is facing , being a centralized shitcoin as it is
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October 27, 2019, 12:55:45 PM |
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What if all those big corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
I don't think the governments would approve companies to use cryptocurrencies in their modes of payment. If however they wish to use it, they government might make an exchange exclusively to companies that will enable them to monitor, and impose taxes per transaction made, or whatever system they implement to claim taxes. Whatever their move is, if the government started seeing tax evasion cases through crypto, they'll surely be doing something about it.
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October 27, 2019, 12:59:02 PM |
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What if all those big corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
Developed countries certainly already have regulations regarding taxes. there are several ways that allow the government to tax users of crypto. For example working together with local exchangers that are usually used to exchange crypto to fiat. In my opinion as we know, that it is still not possible to use crypto for living expenses or to buy something. The impact of the use of crypto on the economic sector is not much as long as the government still requires the use of fiat. I think in some American states, you can use bitcoin to pay for state taxes, but until this is widespread, crypto won't get traction. All require a gradual process to adjust what has been implemented in certain countries that make bitcoin multi-functional in payments or other transactions. and in my opinion the tax payment does not have to use crypto and can be exchanged with fiat currency in accordance with the payment with a specified nominal, and most importantly the government accepts tax money and for the benefit of the country and also for the progress of cryptocurrency to be well received by the government and must following their rules one of them pays taxes.
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October 27, 2019, 01:01:14 PM |
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Big corporates will not be considered big unless they are registered in the government. Even they accept or operate their expenses thru crypto. They will pay in the government, but might lessen the amount intended to goes in tax. That's why some government bans it or soon the government might use centralised app to create ways to monitor it.
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October 27, 2019, 01:09:33 PM |
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It not works this way you're thinking,why and how big companies will use BTC to avoid taxes? It makes no sense, this companies are regulated and they will not risk their business just to avoid some taxes
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October 27, 2019, 02:09:50 PM |
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What if all those big corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
Who said crypto currency can be used to avoid taxes,it maybe possible for a small investor but for the big exchanges who accept bitcoin payments will be recorded because they might be asked to use and address which was registered for them if there is regulations on that country so governments will collect the same tax as fiat but I don't think they will accept in near future due to instability on the bitcoin prices.
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October 27, 2019, 03:53:17 PM |
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Huge businesses adopting cryptocurrency without taxes would really be impossible. Every company could only operate with the approval of the government and that requires taxes as well. We all know how significant taxes are despite having a corrupt government. It will surely affect the economy negatively. However, the usage of crypto alone couldn't ruin the economic situation but it could rather provide us convenient and profitable transaction.
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October 27, 2019, 04:11:03 PM |
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What if all those big corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
Tax is the primary and largest source of income of the government and as such, they are very important for the continuous operation of government services as well as the continuous implementation of various projects. Without tax, the government will surely die. We do not want this for sure. So even if the businesses are already accepting cryptocurrencies, they should still be responsible enough to pay the government their proper due. Crypto is not made to get away from taxes anyway. That should be clear to everyone. I don't think that those businesses can operate with illegal activities, we know how strict the government in terms of taxation, everything should be documented, as there's a big penalty when you were caught avoiding tax or worst will lead your business for foreclose, so, businesses especially those big companies will be afraid to do that.
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October 27, 2019, 04:27:23 PM |
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It may have o depend on how the government will use cryptocurrency to make its economy boost. China at least figured out how to do it since they are also a very developed country. Developed countries has a system and legal regulation for crypto and just like BTC is being taxed in US. Companies accepting crypto will also be taxed if they started accepting BTC. IRS is going to hunt them down if they are not going to pay.
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October 27, 2019, 05:41:31 PM |
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What if all those big corporates and businesses starts using crypto as a mode of payment just to avoid tax which will cause a direct loss to the government which uses tax for the betterment of the country. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
That country will definitely start implementing laws that will tax bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. Corporates and businesses cannot hide behind cryptocurrency to avoid taxes because they will be audited. Their cashflow will reveal where their money is. It is better for them to just pay taxes than face tax evasion cases and heavily penalized. This might not affect corrupt countries as it doesn't matter because tax money goes to politician's coffers but what about developed nations?
Developed countries probably already have laws or guidelines in taxing cryptocurrencies.
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No matter how well the system is or how great the tools are, if the ones who wield and use it are power-hungry and corrupt, there’d be no progression that’ll happen and everything will be the same—or even worse depending on the situation. Most countries are on the verge of coming up with a solid taxation guidelines regarding cryptocurrencies, and I believe it’s only a matter of time before they pass it on as a law. Should it ever make the final reading, the real question is: how would the governments use the tax money from it? Then again, that’s highly dependent on the heads who are placed on the seats of the public office which, much to my dismay always end up being corrupt themselves.
There’s a huge potential for crypto contributing a ton on domestic economies, it’s just that the heads of state are somewhat unsure or not really feeling the vibe of it just yet.
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October 27, 2019, 06:16:19 PM |
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Using crypto for purchases shouldn't affect any country's tax revenue as long as a payment processor is used which converts the crypto to fiat. The consumer still has to pay the sales tax (if any), while the business will still have to pay the revenue tax as usual. If businesses were accepting crypto outright, things *might* be different, but I've heard that most tax evasion is done by businesses skimming off the top...and that's without using cryptocurrency at all. I really don't think it would affect the overall economy either way if people started using bitcoin for things. It probably would affect bitcoin itself, but the economy? I doubt it. Developed countries probably already have laws or guidelines in taxing cryptocurrencies.
I doubt that. There don't seem to be many laws about crypto in general on the books, which actually kind of surprises me. It's not some obscure thing anymore.
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October 27, 2019, 06:22:43 PM |
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Trust me with all the accountants and taxing authorities we have in the government these big corporations you are talking about won't be flying anyone under their radars. If they are still actively hunting down small time tax evasions and money laundering activities what more if they are a big billion dollar corporation doing criminal activities like this one. That big amount of money they earn won't go undetected even if they make it to small variations of amount they will still see a pattern or at least spot the difference on their financial accou
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