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October 28, 2019, 04:19:29 PM
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Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

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October 28, 2019, 04:34:10 PM
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There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!

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October 28, 2019, 04:40:43 PM
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There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!

My idea is great Grin, but I dont know a angel investors. Do you have a contact this people?

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October 28, 2019, 04:57:08 PM
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Your situation is difficult, because if you are not transparent with your project no one will have the interest to invest in you. And if you do introduce, you may be convicted. If you are determined and you have a good idea why not try to find an investor who can fund your idea,
 as @avikz said

But beware of this risk too because they can steal your idea that will create bigger problems for you.
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October 28, 2019, 04:57:41 PM
Last edit: October 28, 2019, 08:07:17 PM by chaoscoinz
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Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
I'm not sure which angle for you to take because according to your statement which is hard to comprehend, I don't know if your an investor looking to invest within an ico or apart of a startup company looking to crowd fund capital.
  Either way, whichever you are, you seem to be worrying about the regulatory hurdles in your country.
   Please edit your post to make your wants and needs a little clearer and concise because more information is needed. If it is a legal problem then you should address it within the "Legal" sub-forum apart of the "Bitcoin Discussion" forum.

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October 28, 2019, 05:05:09 PM
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Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
If truly you have great ideas, and you want to launch a project, you must not actually launch an ICO to kick-start. I will suggest you link up with team members in regions which are more crypto friendly if possible. Also, instead of ICO upfront, why not sort for private investors or maybe crowdfunding platforms like Pledgecamp (although still in the beta phase) to assist. Aside the ideas, you at least need funds to kick-start, that's a challenge I guess. Someone already mentioned you seeking angel investors, that's a very good one.  

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October 28, 2019, 05:11:31 PM
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My own advice is still going to remain the same, investors should invest only what won't ruin them, money that you can take your eye and mind of if  anything bad happens, in crypto world there is no way you will know to the finish, even if you are smart at detecting scam projects it won't safe you from making mistakes

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October 28, 2019, 05:11:44 PM
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If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

I tell you what to do here. I see you are a junior member, then you try to build your account to at least senior member. At this level, you know if you are genuine, you can get people to believe you here and you can introduce what you have, although amidst skepticism.
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October 28, 2019, 05:15:18 PM
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There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!

My idea is great Grin, but I dont know a angel investors. Do you have a contact this people?

Not easy to find angel investors to be honest, we are still in the bear market so people are going to be reluctant to put money in a project because of the huge risk.

Yes, the team behind should be identify in the beginning so that your project will look legit. Otherwise, investors and scam investigators are going to consider your project as just another one of those scams in the crypto sphere. I think if you want to succeed you have to headquarter your team to a crypto friendly country, just saying.

 
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October 28, 2019, 05:25:28 PM
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There is no hard and fast rule to pronounce an ICO as good or bad. It's the experience of the users that tells them if an ICO can be a good ICO or a bad ICO! However, in money matters, it is very important to know the details of the project owner. If we categorize few important factors for a good or bad ICO, owner and team identification will definitely come within the first 3 parameters!

In you case, I would rather suggest you not to launch an ICO itself. Because if you don't identify yourself, your project will be scrapped after the launch. And if you do, you may go to jail! If you think that your ideas are great, go to angel investors and pitch your idea! That would help you to start your business!

My idea is great Grin, but I dont know a angel investors. Do you have a contact this people?
Except the angel investor is new to the space, they have lost so much to scammer and are in deep regret, If you check lately no one see them, some could be back in china . No one believes anybody again, if you got a good idea go to the right people in the space not some greedy rich crypto men that will request for a cut in the crowdsale. Consider that its a startup and reduce the fund to the lowest. You will do more work and pray same idea is not pitch from stronger team
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October 28, 2019, 07:20:30 PM
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Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?
If truly you have great ideas, and you want to launch a project, you must not actually launch an ICO to kick-start. I will suggest you link up with team members in regions which are more crypto friendly if possible. Also, instead of ICO upfront, why not sort for private investors or maybe crowdfunding platforms like Pledgecamp (although still in the beta phase) to assist. Aside the ideas, you at least need funds to kick-start, that's a challenge I guess. Someone already mentioned you seeking angel investors, that's a very good one.  

I have a great project in monetary policy, not in cryptocurrency sphere. But I dont have a chance to work in Central Bank and I want show at the world. And I search people who know abut monetary policy and cryptocurrency at same time. If you want help me - welcome Smiley

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October 28, 2019, 07:37:10 PM
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Try to find other people that don't need to work anonymously and try to persuade those people to work with you on your idea. You might be forced to be anonymous, but if you're working with people that aren't also anonymous and the people you're working with are genuine, there'll be less people questioning whether or not your project is actually legit. Whether or not a crypto's 'good' or 'bad' shouldn't just be judged off of one or two factors, either. If people find your idea to legitimately be good, one or two issues here and there should not be a big problem.
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October 28, 2019, 07:42:26 PM
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Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

Well, this is a very complicated situation it's like you will face legal consequences if you reveal your identity and jailed, if you don't reveal your identity no one is gonna trust you and your project will sink before it starts. I used suggest if you are confident about your project then move out of your county and settle your base to a crypto friendly nation rather than taking risk of being arrested or termed as scammer.
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October 28, 2019, 07:45:30 PM
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Hello, am trying to understand your explanation here, are you trying to say any ICO that the project later turned out to be scammer should be jailed for 5 years. Please share more light on the discussion

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October 28, 2019, 07:51:43 PM
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Try to find other people that don't need to work anonymously and try to persuade those people to work with you on your idea. You might be forced to be anonymous, but if you're working with people that aren't also anonymous and the people you're working with are genuine, there'll be less people questioning whether or not your project is actually legit. Whether or not a crypto's 'good' or 'bad' shouldn't just be judged off of one or two factors, either. If people find your idea to legitimately be good, one or two issues here and there should not be a big problem.

I dont know, what in english tree, in russian people think only about bitcoin. If you talked "I have idea", people talked you "Your team are scammers and you idea only a way to steal money other people". I thinked about a start topic in tree "Alternative cryptocurrency", but i dont have a enought lvl of english to describe my idea, becouse text have a hard economical term and other.

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October 28, 2019, 07:56:04 PM
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Hello, am trying to understand your explanation here, are you trying to say any ICO that the project later turned out to be scammer should be jailed for 5 years. Please share more light on the discussion

No, scammers projects not should jailed for 5 years. If you create not legalisy cryptocurrency, you made "surrogate money". This is a very bad crime in my countries.

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October 28, 2019, 07:57:39 PM
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Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

Well, this is a very complicated situation it's like you will face legal consequences if you reveal your identity and jailed, if you don't reveal your identity no one is gonna trust you and your project will sink before it starts. I used suggest if you are confident about your project then move out of your county and settle your base to a crypto friendly nation rather than taking risk of being arrested or termed as scammer.

This idea is good, but I now study in university.

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October 28, 2019, 11:12:16 PM
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Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?

It will be a tough one especially in your current situation. If you will be planning to launch your own ICO then it will be best that you should hide your identity and look for other team members that can provide their credentials but you should also know that it will be your disadvantage of course as we are not in good market condition right now.

Unlike back 2017, there are plenty of projects that became successful even if the team behind the projects are anonymous but if you are planning to launch now then your project will surely fail. If I will be living in a country where crypto currency where being banned then I have no choice but to follow it as you are only causing trouble for yourself if you are planning to push your goal even if it is against the law.

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October 28, 2019, 11:23:10 PM
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The ICO and the Scammer are very interrelated, with this it is very difficult for us to distinguish between a really good ICO and a bad ICO, many people are greedy to want huge profits only for themselves, but I think this problem must be resolved immediately by the law may be, because this is very detrimental to all parties.

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October 28, 2019, 11:32:14 PM
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Sometimes I see rules for staring "good" ICO and one of all paragraph - deanon of creators. But exist countries, in which crypticurrency has been banned and creators have a chance go to jail to 5+ years (examle, Ukraine (if project have a anonymous coin transfer/stablecoins)). If I dont write about myself, I am a scammer (thinked users of bitcointalk). If I write - Im will a convict. What to do?


This year is not like 2017, in 2017 projects are very beneficial for all of us even though there are in countries that do not agree with the crypto, but now if you have the intention to launch an ICO, you better think again, because now there are many projects that unclear and failed, I think with an event like this crypto must think hard to restore everything like 2017.

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