Why are my posts being deleted?

[TECSHARE]

I posted these on topic, in a related thread. It seems to me the moderators are intent on proving they in fact do selectively enforce the rules, especially when it comes to even mild criticism of their own activities. I would be interested to hear the excuse for removing the comments of myself and others in a relevant on topic thread.

OP: "Is hijacking a thread illegal?"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001711.msg10874981#msg10874981

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Why is it every time I report a post like this it goes unhandled?

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Should I report this behavior after seeing it or just let it go ?

If it's off-topic or just an advertising post that doesn't bring anything to the discussion, I think that reporting is the way to go.
Also keep in mind that bad/incorrect reports don't hurt as long as they aren't too many:

Do not worry about your accuracy too much; one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports.

I am less concerned about my reporting stats and more concerned that have to suffer these people because don't get to enjoy equal protetion under the rules for some reason. 

There was also a third party that had their comment in reply deleted. This kind of response is not at all convincing that they don't selectively enforce the rules.



Local thread rules: I want to hear from moderators, anyone who is not a moderator is not allowed to post.

[Foxpup]

Local thread rules: I want to hear from moderators, anyone who is not a moderator is not allowed to post.

I am (one of) the users who reported your posts in that thread; is that good enough?

OP: "Is hijacking a thread illegal?"

Answer: Yes. That's why I reported your posts in that thread, and why they were subsequently deleted.

There was also a third party that had their comment in reply deleted. This kind of response is not at all convincing that they don't selectively enforce the rules.

Replies to deleted posts are also deleted as a matter of course, since they no longer serve any purpose.

Any other questions?

[suchmoon]

Wait, deleting necrobumps in a 4-year old thread is now "selective enforcement"?

[TECSHARE]

I see some non-moderators violating local posting rules. Of course the moderators will selectively enforce this rule as well I am sure, because the rules here are only for when they serve people you agree with. Posting a relevant reply in an on topic thread is not hijacking, it is a continuation of the conversation. This is why people lack respect for authority on this forum, because you allow people such as the above to utilize the forum as a cudgel to punish those they can not silence through other means. Then everyone pretends these rules are not selectively enforced because you are only acting on the reports of obsessive stalkers with a vendetta because some one dares have an opinion they do not agree with. Moderators I am sure you think this kind of behavior serves you, but it is in fact counter-productive, and the source of most of the conflict and drama you see on this forum. People don't respect those in positions of authority when the rules are only imposed on them and not also used to protect them.

[Deathwing]

I see some non-moderators violating local posting rules. Of course the moderators will selectively enforce this rule as well I am sure, because the rules here are only for when they serve people you agree with. Posting a relevant reply in an on topic thread is not hijacking, it is a continuation of the conversation. This is why people lack respect for authority on this forum, because you allow people such as the above to utilize the forum as a cudgel to punish those they can not silence through other means. Then everyone pretends these rules are not selectively enforced because you are only acting on the reports of obsessive stalkers with a vendetta because some one dares have an opinion they do not agree with. Moderators I am sure you think this kind of behavior serves you, but it is in fact counter-productive, and the source of most of the conflict and drama you see on this forum. People don't respect those in positions of authority when the rules are only imposed on them and not also used to protect them.

Posting a relevant reply in an on topic thread is not hijacking, it is a continuation of the conversation.

So posting a reply to a 4-year-old thread is a continuation of the conversation?

On top of that, hijacking is against the rules. FYI.

[suchmoon]

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Local rules targeted at specific users are rarely if ever enforced, so doing that for you would be selective enforcement that you're fighting against. Make up your mind.

OTOH, if my posts get deleted from this thread I sure as shit won't be creating a Meta thread to whine about it. This, as well as your necro posts, is firmly within mod discretion. Some necro can be allowed, some local rules can be ignored, it's not the deep state out to get you.

Given all the "REEEE" treads I believe you know that the way to have your ultimate  last word is to create a self modded thread in the appropriate (non-Meta) board. Otherwise - the inevitable horror of intertubes - there is always a chance that someone may disagree with you.

[TECSHARE]

The local thread rules are clear and not directed at specific users. Clearly though specific users only care about observing rules when it benefits them. Replying on topic to a thread is not "hijacking". The subject of the thread was that it is supposedly against the rules to advertise 3rd party sites in sales threads (completely on topic). Apparently the rules only protect you if the mods like you. The rules are enforced against you when they don't, and get an excuse from any obsessive stalker attempting to take retribution for daring to have ideas they don't agree with, as made apparent by the inability by posters here to separate political discussion from other discussions here.

[mprep]

Since self-modded topics aren't allowed in Meta, IMO local rules don't apply here. If you want to reach out to one or more moderators, send a multi-recipient PM. As for how to find them, see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0:

Q: Where can I find all the moderators/staff/administrators?
A: Just go to the Member search page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search), untick all the boxes and then tick "Search by position". To find all regular moderators like board moderators, local moderators or patrollers (site-wide newbie moderators), search for "Staff" (without the quotation marks). To find all global moderators, search for "Global Moderator". To find all admins, search for "Administrator".

Make sure to check you are not dealing with an imposter: real mods have the "Position:" field (or the field bellow their username and above their rank (like 'Member' or "Hero member") when they PM or post) set as either Staff, Global Moderator or Administrator. Also, administrators and global moderators have a half colored last coin when you view the left side of their PM or a post. Admins have a red one and global mods have a light blue colored one.

As for your posts getting deleted, if you necro a super old thread, you better make sure your contribution is directly on-topic and substantial enough to warrant bumping it to the top. Yours was neither. If you want to complain about moderation, you're free to do it by starting a thread in Meta or posting in an at least semi-recent thread where it's directly on-topic.

[TECSHARE]

Since self-modded topics aren't allowed in Meta, IMO local rules don't apply here. If you want to reach out to one or more moderators, send a multi-recipient PM. As for how to find them, see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0:

Q: Where can I find all the moderators/staff/administrators?
A: Just go to the Member search page (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=mlist;sa=search), untick all the boxes and then tick "Search by position". To find all regular moderators like board moderators, local moderators or patrollers (site-wide newbie moderators), search for "Staff" (without the quotation marks). To find all global moderators, search for "Global Moderator". To find all admins, search for "Administrator".

Make sure to check you are not dealing with an imposter: real mods have the "Position:" field (or the field bellow their username and above their rank (like 'Member' or "Hero member") when they PM or post) set as either Staff, Global Moderator or Administrator. Also, administrators and global moderators have a half colored last coin when you view the left side of their PM or a post. Admins have a red one and global mods have a light blue colored one.

As for your posts getting deleted, if you necro a super old thread, you better make sure your contribution is directly on-topic and substantial enough to warrant bumping it to the top. Yours was neither. If you want to complain about moderation, you're free to do it by starting a thread in Meta or posting in an at least semi-recent thread where it's directly on-topic.

My post was directly on topic. The OP was about 3rd parties hijacking threads and posting external advertisements and sales, which was exactly what my post was about. Furthermore it was important to use the existing post on the matter because it establishes that this is a rule, one you your self in fact supported (in theory anyway).

What you mentioned would break 2 rules: ad spam and off-topic. As such, advertising your or any other similar service that competes should be reported by using the "Report to moderator" link at the bottom right of the post.

See the list of rules in the sticky of the Meta board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Sure seems like that is exactly what is happening here:

Unless someone from china decides to screenshot this and make a better one and sell it for lower margin and higher quality in all of China.
I heard of a site called Threadless years ago. Go check them out, you can set up your own store there and then promote it to sell your stuff. Their fabric is very durable as well. I regularly buy for Christmas from there.

But in your opinion the rules don't apply... because, and don't bother posting about it because we will erase that too.

[hilariousetc]

It's probably not selective enforcement, but there are dozens of mods here who will all interpret the rules their own way and nobody has to handle the report, but even when they don't people will still call that selective enforcement so we lose either way. I saw the report on the necrobump but left it because it didn't seem like a big deal and was on topic at least but it was technically a necrobump, but you could ask what is a necrobump? At what point does a post become a necro? I've seen people report posts as a necro because they're merely a month or two old but yet we have countless old threads that are bumped constantly and some with much larger gaps, and that's when staff opinion becomes involved because there is no date on when something technically becomes a necro. Personally, I'd rather people bump old threads if they're still relevant as opposed to creating new threads for the same old things time and time again but that's just me and there was nothing wrong with removing the post.

Sure seems like that is exactly what is happening here:

Unless someone from china decides to screenshot this and make a better one and sell it for lower margin and higher quality in all of China.
I heard of a site called Threadless years ago. Go check them out, you can set up your own store there and then promote it to sell your stuff. Their fabric is very durable as well. I regularly buy for Christmas from there.

But in your opinion the rules don't apply... because, and don't bother posting about it because we will erase that too.

Again, it comes down to purely opinion. Personally, I wouldn't really say that is ad spam but I can see how you would. However, it's arguably sig spam but again, that would purely be down to opinion and the report is still in the queue because all the mods who have looked at it are probably on the fence about it... or maybe someone will handle it at some point.

[NeuroticFish]

Just for the record, when I've seen my posts deleted I checked for the reason and I noticed the mistake (that we were necro bumping). Sorry for that.
Since TECSHARE posted again there, I PM-ed him telling it's an old thread and he should delete his post. (I've done the same in the past with Legendary members instead of reporting, they usually understand and delete.)

[FIFA worldcup]

(I've done the same in the past with Legendary members instead of reporting, they usually understand and delete.)

This is something we need to do more often so that the other person know what mistake they have done and can be avoided in future.
But unfortunately, some people do not listen or do not want to listen, hence there is only single option left is to Report the post.

[mprep]

My post was directly on topic. The OP was about 3rd parties hijacking threads and posting external advertisements and sales, which was exactly what my post was about. Furthermore it was important to use the existing post on the matter because it establishes that this is a rule, one you your self in fact supported (in theory anyway).

What you mentioned would break 2 rules: ad spam and off-topic. As such, advertising your or any other similar service that competes should be reported by using the "Report to moderator" link at the bottom right of the post.

See the list of rules in the sticky of the Meta board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Sure seems like that is exactly what is happening here:

Unless someone from china decides to screenshot this and make a better one and sell it for lower margin and higher quality in all of China.
I heard of a site called Threadless years ago. Go check them out, you can set up your own store there and then promote it to sell your stuff. Their fabric is very durable as well. I regularly buy for Christmas from there.

But in your opinion the rules don't apply... because, and don't bother posting about it because we will erase that too.

IIRC while I did find your first post borderline, I wasn't the one who acted on it so whoever did may be able to comment on it better. I did, however, delete the second (?) one which included you complaining about moderation, which definitely was off-topic. Nevertheless, here's what my opinion on the first one:

Had you posted that in a thread that had maintained active discussion up until recently, you could argue that. Since the thread you posted in was inactive for the past 4 years, your post had to have contributed to the old discussion directly (answering the question "Should I report posts that hijack a thread?") and substantially (if you necro a super old thread you better have a good reason and enough useful content to warrant it) rather than branching it off to a related discussion ("Why are my reports on hijacking not getting handled?"). Had you been the OP of the aformentioned thread, I could see how complaining about it would've been directly contributing to the discussion.

As for any posts that break the rules, report them. If your report gets denied and you're vehemently sure that it's against the forum's rules, message theymos.

[TECSHARE]

My post was directly on topic. The OP was about 3rd parties hijacking threads and posting external advertisements and sales, which was exactly what my post was about. Furthermore it was important to use the existing post on the matter because it establishes that this is a rule, one you your self in fact supported (in theory anyway).

What you mentioned would break 2 rules: ad spam and off-topic. As such, advertising your or any other similar service that competes should be reported by using the "Report to moderator" link at the bottom right of the post.

See the list of rules in the sticky of the Meta board: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0

Sure seems like that is exactly what is happening here:

Unless someone from china decides to screenshot this and make a better one and sell it for lower margin and higher quality in all of China.
I heard of a site called Threadless years ago. Go check them out, you can set up your own store there and then promote it to sell your stuff. Their fabric is very durable as well. I regularly buy for Christmas from there.

But in your opinion the rules don't apply... because, and don't bother posting about it because we will erase that too.

IIRC while I did find your first post borderline, I wasn't the one who acted on it so whoever did may be able to comment on it better. I did, however, delete the second (?) one which included you complaining about moderation, which definitely was off-topic. Nevertheless, here's what my opinion on the first one:

Had you posted that in a thread that had maintained active discussion up until recently, you could argue that. Since the thread you posted in was inactive for the past 4 years, your post had to have contributed to the old discussion directly (answering the question "Should I report posts that hijack a thread?") and substantially (if you necro a super old thread you better have a good reason and enough useful content to warrant it) rather than branching it off to a related discussion ("Why are my reports on hijacking not getting handled?"). Had you been the OP of the aformentioned thread, I could see how complaining about it would've been directly contributing to the discussion.

As for any posts that break the rules, report them. If your report gets denied and you're vehemently sure that it's against the forum's rules, message theymos.

To me all this looks like is people who are obsessively looking for excuses to spam reports about me any chance they get because they don't like my opinions and are looking for any excuse to take retribution because they don't have any logical argument to stand on and feel justified playing these kinds of games to satiate their own lack of emotional control. Then mods like you dance around and make about 100 excuses of why not only the original report was ok to be ignored but their report was of course important enough to be enforced. Again, all this does is breed disrespect for authority when rules are only imposed on users and not used to protect them. This has been a years long pattern for not only my reports, but reports made against me, not just this type specifically. Plausible deniability affords you the ability to continue this pattern of selective enforcement and simply dismiss my complaints as unreasonable. Everyone else might buy it. I don't.

[suchmoon]

To me all this looks like is people who are obsessively looking for excuses to spam reports about me any chance they get because they don't like my opinions and are looking for any excuse to take retribution because they don't have any logical argument to stand on and feel justified playing these kinds of games to satiate their own lack of emotional control. Then mods like you dance around and make about 100 excuses of why not only the original report was ok to be ignored but their report was of course important enough to be enforced. Again, all this does is breed disrespect for authority when rules are only imposed on users and not used to protect them. This has been a years long pattern for not only my reports, but reports made against me, not just this type specifically. Plausible deniability affords you the ability to continue this pattern of selective enforcement and simply dismiss my complaints as unreasonable. Everyone else might buy it. I don't.

I have a feeling that "everyone else" (well, many of them anyway) might be capable of expressing themselves without breaking the rules excessively, and/or creating their own threads if they want to say something of utter importance. Being such an esteemed scholar of forum rules I'm sure you'll figure this out one day.

BTW I checked BPIP and it looks like I have 30 mod-deleted posts and you have 65 for the same time period (a year or two that BPIP covers). I would have expected closer to 650, given the number of complaints you've been raising.

[mprep]

To me all this looks like is people who are obsessively looking for excuses to spam reports about me any chance they get because they don't like my opinions and are looking for any excuse to take retribution because they don't have any logical argument to stand on and feel justified playing these kinds of games to satiate their own lack of emotional control.

And if their reports don't have any merit, they will be marked as bad.

Then mods like you dance around and make about 100 excuses of why not only the original report was ok to be ignored but their report was of course important enough to be enforced. Again, all this does is breed disrespect for authority when rules are only imposed on users and not used to protect them. This has been a years long pattern for not only my reports, but reports made against me, not just this type specifically. Plausible deniability affords you the ability to continue this pattern of selective enforcement and simply dismiss my complaints as unreasonable. Everyone else might buy it. I don't.

I've only commented on your posts being deleted. I did not claim that your reports are "ok to be ignored" nor did I label your complaints as unreasonable. As hilarious mentioned, none of the moderators are forced to handle every report they see. Consequently, reports of possible offenses where it's more difficult to assess whether a forum rule was broken (either due to the sheer amount of context required or the post being borderline) are going to hang around the queue for longer than ones where an offense can be easily detected at a glance. Whether it's this or one (or more) moderator(s) being biased against you is where your guess is as good as mine since I can only speak for myself. Glancing over your reports in the queue, it seems like it's the former though I could be wrong.

When I handle reports (or moderate in general), I try to keep my biases in check and provide as close to an objective decision as I can. If I feel like I would be incapable of making an objective enough judgment due to close involvement with one of the parties related to a report, I stay out of the situation and let someone else from the staff team handle it. Not sure how other staff do it, but I assume (or at least hope) it's similar.

[The-One-Above-All]

To me all this looks like is people who are obsessively looking for excuses to spam reports about me any chance they get because they don't like my opinions and are looking for any excuse to take retribution because they don't have any logical argument to stand on and feel justified playing these kinds of games to satiate their own lack of emotional control. Then mods like you dance around and make about 100 excuses of why not only the original report was ok to be ignored but their report was of course important enough to be enforced. Again, all this does is breed disrespect for authority when rules are only imposed on users and not used to protect them. This has been a years long pattern for not only my reports, but reports made against me, not just this type specifically. Plausible deniability affords you the ability to continue this pattern of selective enforcement and simply dismiss my complaints as unreasonable. Everyone else might buy it. I don't.

I have a feeling that "everyone else" (well, many of them anyway) might be capable of expressing themselves without breaking the rules excessively, and/or creating their own threads if they want to say something of utter importance. Being such an esteemed scholar of forum rules I'm sure you'll figure this out one day.

BTW I checked BPIP and it looks like I have 30 mod-deleted posts and you have 65 for the same time period (a year or two that BPIP covers). I would have expected closer to 650, given the number of complaints you've been raising.

Although the examples in the initial post may not be the best examples of selective enforcement there is certainly merit to his argument. There are far clearer examples of selective enforcement from which no moderator could present a valid and compelling  excuse no matter the mental gymnastics they may seek to employ.

The RULES?  says suchsigspammer

THE RULES are not the same rules for every person here. Therefore, it is impossible to work within the rules, or even have the rules enforced on your own threads to prevent derailing and dilution through mass spamming of debunked garbage (trolling). Making the entire forum a laughing stock.

For example.

We have reported posts from DT members that simply state

" who made this cunt bleed"

or

" shut up you used tampon"

and these are marked BAD

and at the same time our posts that are on topic and relevant  ( see our deleted posts thread in reputation)  are deleted.

There is no need for a DEBATE if selective enforcement of the rules exists, the observable instances demonstrate this is clear.

I would also suggest that THEYMOS himself pulls up our entire history of REPORTED posts that have been marked BAD. We only generally report the very most off topic derailing junk so there is not going to be many gray areas in there.

Then go and examine our thread of deleted posts and debate with us on why these should be deleted in the context they were posted.

The funny thing is that permitted flow just changes according the the agenda of DT members here. If you join in with the recent flow of a topic you will be told you must stick clearly to the initial post or you are off topic. If you stick to the initial post and do not go along with the more recent flow of a thread you will be told you are now derailing it.

Permitted flow is just used to push their agenda not to allow the reader a full and optimal understanding of the points they are raising. Bogus and needs to be fixed.

The DT's favorite off topic, derailing and misleading garbage is just to post " do not feed the troll" then run away when you ask them to present the specific central points in the initial post they can demonstrate are incorrect? those off topic derailing and misleading posts are marked BAD by mods who then go and merit those posts instead LOL. What scumbags.

[TECSHARE]

Another deleted post...

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Timelord is burning people's reputations, he is directly removing the ability to earn from people based on little to no evidence with frivolous accusations.

Timelord2067 is not in DT. He's not directly removing anything, yahoo62278 did that, and you should be appealing to him, if you insist on telling people on this forum how to run their business.

I am not even criticizing Yahoos choice, I am criticizing Timelords actions, so your argument about him running the campaign anyway he likes is a non-sequitur.

As you can see I am quoting myself in response to a criticism I already addressed in lieu of repeating myself. Apparently defending my arguments against their special friends is off topic. Whoever is doing this is getting rather brazen.

[suchmoon]

As you can see I am quoting myself in response to a criticism I already addressed in lieu of repeating myself. Apparently defending my arguments against their special friends is off topic. Whoever is doing this is getting rather brazen.

You're being ridiculous (what else is new). The post was most likely deleted because it contained only quotes and no new content. Look on the bright side - now you can report my reply there as a multi-post.

[TECSHARE]

As you can see I am quoting myself in response to a criticism I already addressed in lieu of repeating myself. Apparently defending my arguments against their special friends is off topic. Whoever is doing this is getting rather brazen.

You're being ridiculous (what else is new). The post was most likely deleted because it contained only quotes and no new content. Look on the bright side - now you can report my reply there as a multi-post.

Or maybe you can stop making accusations about subjects I already addressed and we can skip the whole thing.