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October 29, 2019, 03:29:47 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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October 29, 2019, 03:40:49 PM
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I really would think they should not show their loses lol for if they would, that would make them look terrible. They only show their wins because they need to be appreciated by the ones watching them. Of course who wouldn't want to see himself being praised by thousands of followers who will buy whichever coin is shilled. If anyone shows his loss and then asked by someone why did he took it, I suppose he'd mumble to his reply on youtube live and that's not good.


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October 29, 2019, 03:51:55 PM
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Simple.
How will they get supporters with bringing up the negative sides.
Supporters is equal to payers who will need their analysis which they think is really good because of the hidden truth.
That is business man. That also means every positive things will just come up and also hyping it for more customers to buy it.

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October 29, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
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Yes, they do! If you become an expert trader, you will hide your loses too! Actually, expert traders don't fall down by seeing a big loss, they keep trading and soon or later their losses become profit! Expert traders don't show off their profit, losses or trading strategy!

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October 29, 2019, 04:06:00 PM
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If defeat is shown to others then it will be a negative impact because it will be pessimistic to the person and it will not affect others so why show bad mistakes in trading.
But for the victory it has become commonplace because addressing others will be a motivation that they will be interested in buying and trading, it is not fun but it proves hard work there are always results.

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October 29, 2019, 04:19:16 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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In my own personal opinion, i think it is normal for a trader to commit stupid mistakes even you are a professional trader because there is nothing wrong in making mistakes as long you learned from those mistakes, but if you don't learned from those mistakes that you made in trading then it is not good at all. I also think professional traders do really hide their losses with their friends or their followers for them not to have a disappointment to the trader that they admired.
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October 29, 2019, 04:47:43 PM
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Trade journals would likely mask their losses and just show the greens in order to get a solid following from the community and create another profit stream from there. Of course, no one would ever post their portfolio including the shitty bits but only the good parts. Similar thought done on CV, you’d obviously not post your losses in there but rather the accomplishments and recognitions only as it will likely give you more chance to actually get hired.

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October 29, 2019, 05:16:36 PM
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First of all you need to acknowledge that every trader has losses from time to time depending on what kind of traders they are. If they are scalpers then they should have a lot of losses on daily basis. All those so-called online expert traders are most often than not frauds just posing as traders to attract you to put money in a broker and follow their signals while they get paid from subscriptions or from brokers' affiliate programs.

If you are in any paid signals group I want you to think at the following thing: why would a profitable trader spend his time and charge people money to provide them signals? I haven't met any professional trader that does something like this. I know some which offer trading education, but not signals.
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October 29, 2019, 05:59:09 PM
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Yes, they do! If you become an expert trader, you will hide your loses too! Actually, expert traders don't fall down by seeing a big loss, they keep trading and soon or later their losses become profit! Expert traders don't show off their profit, losses or trading strategy!
they simply do that because to encourage people to trade , to make sure those people who listening or following them have no fear in trading , yeah this is sounds like tricky but that is the fact , besides because the factor of branding i mean to build some portfolio and trust , hiding losses is a must right? otherwise then nobody call you an expert.

this is pretty controversial to say honestly, as there is two type of expert trader for me :

1. mainstream expert trader

this kind expert trader love to show off and exposing himself exaggeratedly.

2. expert trader by recognition

a trader that does not love any attention but love very much sharing some views regarding the trading world specifically , people recognized them because of their track records.

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October 29, 2019, 06:13:05 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?
They always analyze and also make decisions in the market. and not a few of them also run reverse analysis as speculation, two-way speculation is carried out simultaneously, and only positive results for publication, the rest are buried.

Does this make any sense? of course, because their capital is quite large and good at dividing the profit portion.

The trade journal must always be positive or it will be considered bad. But we might not need to debate it, just look at how big the accuracy is and don't have to follow it all. not all are oriented towards paid group businesses.



 

 

 

 

 

 


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October 29, 2019, 06:18:13 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?

you have to look at the bigger picture.

most of these "experts" are selling a service---a paid trading/signals group, an online course, etc. or they are trying to build a following so they can bag mass referral link payouts or advisor gigs. it's in their best interest to showcase their wins and hide their losses.

one classic method is to constantly use screenshots: chart out multiple price predictions, then only publicly share the correct ones after the fact. timestamped screenshots make it appear the expert is always correct. the same goes for big wins, like huge percentage gains on a bitmex position---screenshot the winners, don't share the losers.

traders who are really making bank don't even talk about money. they don't need to; they have nothing to prove.

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There is no significance of showing your losses, if you want someone to believe in you then you must have to show the positive side of what you are doing. Everyone did lose in trading but it doesn't make them less a trader, they just continue what they are doing and at the same time learning while getting some profit. In the long run you will not need the chart anymore when you are trading and you can share your trading strategy to someone but of course there is a professional fees included.

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October 29, 2019, 06:31:24 PM
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Its just normal to hide our losses from others because it may be like a shame on us so yes they are hiding it for obvious reasons.And we know that no one can be a perfect crypto trader so if someone claiming that they are successful with all their trades either they do trades very rare or they just want to hide it.
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October 29, 2019, 06:36:56 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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I don't think expert traders ever hide their losses. Expert traders are at that point of experience where they know that profits and losses are part of game and there is nothing to hide about your losses because trading is this only. You need to get 60% profits and 40% losses but profits need to be much larger than losses because only then you can be profitable.
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October 29, 2019, 06:42:42 PM
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It's none of our business. Obviously, we all know that even professional traders messed up with their strategy and not immune to any happenings on the market.

In reality, even hiding their losses, still, they can show how good they are overall in doing trades. Still, they won, they lose, they can cope up with any trend, they can handle the stress, they can deal with the bear market, etc. Don't know how legit are those though but we have our way to determine if a certain analysis or results are sh*t or not.

Other traders also make that profession as another opportunity to earn e.g via gathering subs through a stream, paid lessons, paid tutorials, marketing etc... Showing only their winnings is part of the strategy and it's up to others how they will react on it.

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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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People are already a flaw and fault finder why would they show and flaunt their loses, downfalls and shortcomings ? Some might find it inspirational to know what they've been through and want to learn from it but experts rather not take the risk for it might destroy them and used against them.
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99% of those "expert traders" are divided into two parts:

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I think that most wannabe experts just go with the flow of the market and say that their long position they took a small hit on, was directly turned into a 20x short so that they still profit.... I wouldn't pay attention to any of such people.

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I think most of them yes. That is why when people think if trading is easy, they must know behind successful traders there are many things they have fought for. So although that successful traders have reason why they hide their losses, i think they have their own reason to do it.

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October 29, 2019, 07:29:08 PM
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I think they do but I also think that showing it would alsobe great since we could see the real percentage of their trade.
If they want to get a follower who would follow their trades then they should also show as the percentage of all of their trades,
Their success trade and also their lose trades so we could see who have the highest success trade to follow.

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For some reason that they hide their losses instead of putting it down in the list cause they don't want to remember it, it possible they don't want to think they have lost a lot than of winning. Cause in their mind and even me, we are not calculating our losses but we are calculating winning and which these losses (if we could see it) it might be a distraction to us. They learn already so there is no important to write it down but rather to forget it and face the upcoming.



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I think no. It will mark bad for their reputation. An expert will not show it's loses. Some experts have clients too. What would you feel if the trading expert loss huge amount? Is he trustworthy enough to invest you money? I don't think so. Even though it's a normal thing to happen because it's inevitable. But they will make way to recover. But they will make way to recover. But hiding your losses can be bad also. Investors may think you could get passive income. So as much as possible be transparent.
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Yeah I agree on that mate and I believe a lot of traders they hide their loses because it's called ego, he don't to broadcast  their mistakes specially the expert traders. He/she always share and broadcast a positive side not the negative side to encourage people to follow them as an expert consultant as trading expert. That is only my own opinion why a lot of trader hide loses.
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I think they are indeed many who hide their losses because for what losses are reported in public better kept for yourself and used as a lesson because the losses that have occurred can be a very valuable experience.
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?

Ussually some of them only posted their winning trade to attract more people to buy their trading signal. They won't tell you or publish their losses since it will make them feel like unprofessional trader and it won't attract people to them. Even a professional trader must be ever had loss too in their trading
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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I know someone who are so active on social media showing all his earnings but never disclose his losing money, so technically there are some reason behind this one maybe its their job to encourage people to trade without thinking about any losses which is wrong. If traders really want to educate you then his losses will be the best example of the risk level in this market.

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I have seen a massive boost in the number of wannabe TA experts in the more recent years where they sell you signals, courses, chart setups, and so on.... a lot of people unfortunately buy into these products because they want to be just as "good".

People on social media trying to sell you something, with a high degree of certainty aren't making enough through trading to not shill their rubbish courses and whatnot.

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There is no shortage of greedy leeches here in crypto. I expect things to become worse the deeper we dig into the different layers of mainstream adoption. The deeper we go, the more tech/investment ignorant the people entering this space are, which directly translates into more potential victims for these so called experts.
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Of course, they will hide it especially when they're trying to promote something. How are they going to convince people if they will show their losses? They will only show their earnings to prove that they're successful traders. They will only show proof more than their mistakes to handle their reputation well. That's how it goes but there are also humble traders who aren't afraid to show their losses to inspire others.
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Of course, they will hide it especially when they're trying to promote something. How are they going to convince people if they will show their losses? They will only show their earnings to prove that they're successful traders. They will only show proof more than their mistakes to handle their reputation well. That's how it goes but there are also humble traders who aren't afraid to show their losses to inspire others.
But much more encouraging to look out of how they become expert and achieve success from those days that they've fallen. I surely they never suffer this thing but eventually, they manage to keep on track and rise again,  that is supposedly we want to hear from them.

I don't think they are ruining their reputation, believing that they do their best it was already gaining their good reputation as well.

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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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Each of us have our own thoughts and perspective in which we need to be proud on our achievements. On my own thoughts, I experienced some mistakes to trade some of my crypto coins in a very low price since I have no choice even I have a lots of losses of my investment. Also, by those big whales in the crypto world I'm sure same thing they just want to let us know their big profit for their pride even they have a lot of losses which for me its normal and on that counting your mistakes is useless than your achievements.
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Of course, they will hide it especially when they're trying to promote something. How are they going to convince people if they will show their losses? They will only show their earnings to prove that they're successful traders. They will only show proof more than their mistakes to handle their reputation well. That's how it goes but there are also humble traders who aren't afraid to show their losses to inspire others.
As I don't believe too much in popular people showing some winnings or predicting prizes since they might be affiliated from some coins or projects or simply they have some hidden intention in doing so. I know some crypto users silently earning and who'd you'll only know what they're doing to buy those properties if you ask them, not to brag or promote just simply because we ask.

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Of course, they will hide it especially when they're trying to promote something. How are they going to convince people if they will show their losses? They will only show their earnings to prove that they're successful traders. They will only show proof more than their mistakes to handle their reputation well. That's how it goes but there are also humble traders who aren't afraid to show their losses to inspire others.
if they do this, they could not called as an expert.maybe i will call them scammer.show off the profits and hide their loss to promote was scammer habbit, expert usually has trading plan .they will show us how to become successfull and expeert trader.they want to warn us that cryptocurrency marker was very dangerous for new traders.but scammer will always make us interested with their fake trading result and take benefit when we joined with them.

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October 30, 2019, 06:44:16 AM
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Of course, they will hide it especially when they're trying to promote something. How are they going to convince people if they will show their losses? They will only show their earnings to prove that they're successful traders. They will only show proof more than their mistakes to handle their reputation well. That's how it goes but there are also humble traders who aren't afraid to show their losses to inspire others.
if they do this, they could not called as an expert.maybe i will call them scammer.show off the profits and hide their loss to promote was scammer habbit, expert usually has trading plan .they will show us how to become successfull and expeert trader.they want to warn us that cryptocurrency marker was very dangerous for new traders.but scammer will always make us interested with their fake trading result and take benefit when we joined with them.

Well, this is their strategy so we cannot force them as there is no law regarding it. So we should be aware of it.

They are like just dev/core team of a certain project they are hiding how much they really raised to received people just for them to gain the trust users and for them to look successful. So, let's be careful with it unless they show proof of how much was raised.

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October 30, 2019, 07:05:55 AM
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I think they are indeed many who hide their losses because for what losses are reported in public better kept for yourself and used as a lesson because the losses that have occurred can be a very valuable experience.

Indeed. those losses are their motivation to achieve those wins. its not that issue why they hide it. how did us motivate if we seen all the losses that they aim or receive. no matter how difficult it is they still have that dedication to share their wisdom to share all strategies they know. our main thing to do know is to take this opportunity to know more things from the experts especially on trading.  experience in market is not easy so we should make our self always ready.

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October 30, 2019, 07:20:07 AM
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I think they are indeed many who hide their losses because for what losses are reported in public better kept for yourself and used as a lesson because the losses that have occurred can be a very valuable experience.

Indeed. those losses are their motivation to achieve those wins. its not that issue why they hide it. how did us motivate if we seen all the losses that they aim or receive. no matter how difficult it is they still have that dedication to share their wisdom to share all strategies they know. our main thing to do know is to take this opportunity to know more things from the experts especially on trading.  experience in market is not easy so we should make our self always ready.

Yes they simply hide their profits and loss to avoid gaining any attention from unwelcoming people and I have seen users earning millions and losing as well. The person who introduced me to crypto back in 2014 did the same thing he didn't boast about the profits as well as loss. It's better to keep these details confidential and it does not make sense to share these things on a public platform.

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I'm pretty sure they will hide it, or will tell stories when they have success like "this also needs a struggle" or "at first I was also having a hard time". In trading, losing is not a secret anymore, even professional traders will experience difficulties when prices become unstable.It's like successful people have their sad stories, but we only know them when they have success. Trading is something that is uncertain, losing or winning it often happens.

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October 30, 2019, 09:02:06 AM
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All traders already make a profit and loss and even for a pro trader. Besides making a profit, a pro trader will also get a loss in trading. But they don't want people to know that they are getting lost the money in the trading. When people know about their losses, they thought that their credibility as a pro trader would reduce, and people will leave them and don't want to listen to their suggestions. I think they are not honest with their fans or public because they don't want to see people know about their losses. They will hide it and only them that know how often their losses.
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October 30, 2019, 09:16:04 AM
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Same thing with gambling. Does the place of gambling remind us of defeat or how much is the risk of losing in gambling? of course not . they only highlight(show) something big and you can get it if you gamble there. trade experts will also do the same for a purpose that will surely benefit them more in the future.
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October 30, 2019, 09:30:39 AM
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Gurus wanting people to see how good they are. They are ready to sell their knowledge thru seminars, books and tutorials. I began to wonder if they are really earning good on their trades or they earned by selling their knowledge that are still to be proven yet. I see many traders posting in social media. Some are posting their big gain gains and when someone asks, they will tell you to study hard and that they are showing their gains to motivate people to study harder. I don't see their gain posts as some sort of motivations. Other traders will also post share their successful buy and sell trades.

I think they should just post their entry points and then post again once they exit their positions. This way, we can see if they are gaining or not. This is the cleanest way to prove themselves.     

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October 30, 2019, 09:49:48 AM
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yes of course everybody will make mistake because trading is unpredictable, so if they make group to give signal or something they will hide thier fault/lose
if not how can they attract people, because in trading someone need to lose then other can win, a litlle cruel but its the reality.
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I think these expert traders are hiding their losses just like you said. First of all because as "experts" they need to live up to a professional reputation wherein their trades are good and profitable, would you take trading advice from someone who is broke? No.

If anything I wouldn't be surprised if in reality ALL experts have hidden losses that they never disclose to the public.

 
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October 30, 2019, 11:10:33 AM
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I'm pretty sure they will hide it, or will tell stories when they have success like "this also needs a struggle" or "at first I was also having a hard time". in trading, losing is not a secret anymore, even professional traders will experience difficulties when prices become unstable. it's like successful people have their sad stories, but we only know them when they have success. trading is something that is uncertain, losing or winning it often happens.
Some so-called fraudulent experts who sells trading signals do hide their loses rather displayed or possibly Photoshopped exorbitant  profits to deceive unsuspecting new traders of course a newbie trader will easily fall for this tricks however their are some credible and trusted experts traders that shows their losses having managed their trades with a perfect money management and probably trading with a strategy that has a good reward to risk ratio.

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They always show their wins because they want to motivate the new traders. Sometimes they're lost but they can maintain their loss and their profits must be bigger than their loss.
Also some crypto influencer hide their losses because they want the people who see their portofolio buy the same coins like theirs and the influencers hope the price won't get down because their followers buying the same coins. but at last, no traders that always win, they must be experienced some losses
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It's a normal thing. people always show their success rather than failure, because we don't want to see the losses, but we don't realize that behind every success, it has a lot of abortive effort, but those behind story doesn't attract people, so people always tell their story of success. another thing is that most of the writings from a trader is just like a motivational or inspiring story so they don't add their back end thing with writing, This is not fair at all. when you write about something then you have to publish all short of positive and negative matters, I think this will help to decide a person either trading or something else.

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I think these expert traders are hiding their losses just like you said. First of all because as "experts" they need to live up to a professional reputation wherein their trades are good and profitable, would you take trading advice from someone who is broke? No.

If anything I wouldn't be surprised if in reality ALL experts have hidden losses that they never disclose to the public.
Yes clearly the main goal maybe is to build a reputation, so many people will assume that "he" never suffered the slightest loss. no problem, i admit it is normal thing.
on the other hand it's good, because the goal is to motivate newbie traders to not be pessimistic when trading for the first time, and can learn how to analyze the right way, which he has given to everyone. he don't want that newbie trader follow the wrong way.

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Never lose? impossible! Even gods can make mistakes. I think most expert traders hide their mistakes for reputation purposes. Try to imagine, if an expert trader shows the amount of their loss, are you still interested to investing in it? I'm sure no one will be interested in partnering or investing with him, even just to follow in his footsteps.

 
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No, why would they have any need to hide their losses? If you lose a small percentage on a trade, then just sell it off and continue trading. You'll more than likely make it all back from the very next trade. Now, if they're trying to sell a subscription to their picks or something, there's a possibility they may be altering their trading history or something. But, if they're truly "experts" then they have no reason to hide any trades. Everyone takes a small loss every now and then. You just go with it and move on.
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I never following trading journal from expert traders so i never know if they really hide their losses or not but in my view why they have to shy about this and i think they should be proud for theirself that after make stupid decissions then they will became great again and learn from their mistaken and i think if they wrote it through their journal then it could be good stories that they able to rise up their mentally from zero to hero

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October 30, 2019, 01:14:45 PM
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I never following trading journal from expert traders so i never know if they really hide their losses or not but in my view why they have to shy about this and i think they should be proud for theirself that after make stupid decissions then they will became great again and learn from their mistaken and i think if they wrote it through their journal then it could be good stories that they able to rise up their mentally from zero to hero
Indeed, because it makes them realize a lot of things well actually sometimes a mistake isn't bad particularly when you have learn something from it. It makes them stronger in terms of understanding the power of analyzing things before making decisions. They just have to accept it and use that experience to avoid doing the same mistake, we don't have to underestimate or judge them because were all making mistakes and it depends on us how we will handle it. You don't have to pretend that everything was okay when eventually its not because its like you are making yourself a fool.

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October 30, 2019, 01:26:30 PM
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They are not hiding their losses, and yes, even professional traders do stupid things, we're not A.I that could constantly do a thing without any changes at all in a period of time, we get tired, and making mistakes because of fatigue in our brain due to over work. Traders only show their wins (mostly) because that is what more important, to encourage us by showing their achievements in Trading.

Where are their big loses at?

It is their success, that is where their losses at Smiley
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October 30, 2019, 01:42:43 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?
there are so many traders who hide their losses moreover it is a famous trader, of course they want to look great, if it shows a loss it will create a bad image for its name, actually this is a natural problem because nothing is perfect and there is no analysis that is 100% accurate.
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?
there are so many traders who hide their losses moreover it is a famous trader, of course they want to look great, if it shows a loss it will create a bad image for its name, actually this is a natural problem because nothing is perfect and there is no analysis that is 100% accurate.

I don't see anything wrong with it, its normal to every person that what we want other people to see from us is only the great one. So, for me it's okay, for as long as we will not just rely on them and for their signals. Always remember that not everyday is a winning in trading, sometimes we suffer losses too and it's okay, just keep going and move forward.
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This is commonly done by a pro trading analysis, they hide losses because they also want to get praise and trust towards their followers. You will often see this in the VIP signal group too. A pro traders wants their followers trust and loyalty, not to want their followers to doubt him.

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October 30, 2019, 05:24:12 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?
there are so many traders who hide their losses moreover it is a famous trader, of course they want to look great, if it shows a loss it will create a bad image for its name, actually this is a natural problem because nothing is perfect and there is no analysis that is 100% accurate.

I don't see anything wrong with it, its normal to every person that what we want other people to see from us is only the great one. So, for me it's okay, for as long as we will not just rely on them and for their signals. Always remember that not everyday is a winning in trading, sometimes we suffer losses too and it's okay, just keep going and move forward.

Maybe that is ok from human nature point of view but it's not ok from professional side and relation towards crypto community. Some crypto.users might get the opinion that trading brings only profit and if you even suffer some loss you will recover in no time. That is the wrong picture for unexperienced traders that often fall for this and think it's problem in them if they can't be successful as those professional traders they read about.

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October 30, 2019, 05:24:47 PM
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I think most "expert" traders, not the ones that claim they are expert traders but people with real profits over course of years, do not feel the need to show you anything, not their losses not their profits. After all, if you are a trader that makes money constantly then why would you want approval from other people, you have the money, you have the profits, you have a source of income, what can you get from some people reading about your wins or losses that can gain you anything?

In the end this is a business, some people do it as a hobby and I can understand that but if you are an expert trader then you are doing this for business, if its not your income and you are working somewhere else and do trading at night then you are not expert I can guarantee you that.

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October 30, 2019, 05:28:22 PM
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Of course they will not going to show their losses people and his/her followers won't believe even though they know how their mentor earns a lot. Well that's how life, if you are the coach or being a trading mentor for them would you show your losses to your followers. Another thing is if they earn 5-10 wins in a row with huge amount people will call him Pro trader it is so easy to fool people.
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October 30, 2019, 06:15:30 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?

Okay lets make it straight and i dont make any comments about that Real McCoy.

Going on topic where i do somehow agree that majority of good traders do hide up their losses, we cant say they are doing it intentionally
or just simply ignoring those losses as long they are making greens and profits.As a trader you would surely be proud when you do make winning
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October 30, 2019, 06:19:59 PM
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I think these expert traders are hiding their losses just like you said. First of all because as "experts" they need to live up to a professional reputation wherein their trades are good and profitable, would you take trading advice from someone who is broke? No.

If anything I wouldn't be surprised if in reality ALL experts have hidden losses that they never disclose to the public.
One thing for sure, if they are into the business like selling their knowledge or giving advised for sure they wanted to have a good reputation and never wanted to reveal any loses that they've got. It's important for them to stay clean so the business will go further. But in case, this so-called experts are trying to hide from reality it's best not to believe right away and investigate everything.
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Absolutely.

To any newbies reading this, when you see signals groups boasting about their wins, you should also note that they almost certainly have a huge number of losses that are simply not shown.

If you actually track their calls, you'll find that they will only call back to signals that were proven correct, while all their duds are never mentioned again. They know that nobody is going to go through the effort and actually check, since everybody is blinded by the so-called profits.

Stay away from 'expert' traders for the most part, they are almost all fraudsters. Nobody would give away the keys to their kingdom for just a few bucks.
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October 30, 2019, 07:16:23 PM
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Absolutely.

To any newbies reading this, when you see signals groups boasting about their wins, you should also note that they almost certainly have a huge number of losses that are simply not shown.

If you actually track their calls, you'll find that they will only call back to signals that were proven correct, while all their duds are never mentioned again. They know that nobody is going to go through the effort and actually check, since everybody is blinded by the so-called profits.

Stay away from 'expert' traders for the most part, they are almost all fraudsters. Nobody would give away the keys to their kingdom for just a few bucks.

Thanks for the advice. I've had my fair share of dealings with the so called "expert traders". As a matter of fact, I've run into one recently that makes a monthly report of a cumulative profit of about 450-600%. The truth is, they post signals when the token is already pumping. Most times they leave their unsuspecting users catching a knife.  Another place I'll will advise newbies to avoid like a plague is Crypto Twitter. It's a place where everyone is a PRO trader.




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October 30, 2019, 08:40:19 PM
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Almost all expert traders hide their loses from the public, because defeat is something that is embarrassing for them.
Their sense of pride is very high to admit that they have lost. And also because expert traders want to be seen perfect
in the eyes of the public. When it is very natural that in losing trades, just how we learn from This defeat is not repeated
again. Actually there is no need to hide losses, because trading is not possible always win.

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October 30, 2019, 10:47:21 PM
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Absolutely.

To any newbies reading this, when you see signals groups boasting about their wins, you should also note that they almost certainly have a huge number of losses that are simply not shown.

If you actually track their calls, you'll find that they will only call back to signals that were proven correct, while all their duds are never mentioned again. They know that nobody is going to go through the effort and actually check, since everybody is blinded by the so-called profits.

Stay away from 'expert' traders for the most part, they are almost all fraudsters. Nobody would give away the keys to their kingdom for just a few bucks.
Just to think carefully that if these people were experts then they wont really tend to bother out to share up their signals to anybody.

Ofcourse they would share up their winning trades to attract those people who do tend or plan to follow those so called experts on trading.
Loses is inevitable though and never ever follow on someones trade just because he was said hes good.

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Certainly yes, only if that expert trader is an influencer or handling multiple accounts that's why in decision making while trading, I trust no one but myself thus the blame is just on me. On the other hand, losses doesn't define wether a trader is a professional or not but rather it depends on how he/she handles his/her losses and gains.
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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Maybe yes because we cannot know when the market goes up and down even if you are pro traders its not a reason to failed on trading.
Expert trader is only influencer that show their ideas when the market go so if you ride on their idea and made a mistake then is not a reason to blame them on your loses.

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Certainly yes, only if that expert trader is an influencer or handling multiple accounts that's why in decision making while trading, I trust no one but myself thus the blame is just on me. On the other hand, losses doesn't define wether a trader is a professional or not but rather it depends on how he/she handles his/her losses and gains.

Same thoughts, especially when he/she is an influencer because aside from being a trader,being an influencer is a financially rewarding activities. Every trader has losses and thats normal to all. But why focus on your losses when there is an opportunity in winning your trade. Of course a trader always looking for ways how to have gain and profit, or minimize its losses. 

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I think most of them hide their loses, but i also think there are some very good traders and they are always on profit when they count it, i wish sometimes can be an expert trader but this will take time and need more experience.
Traders experience losing money at some point and the best to lift up themselves is to hide from others. This shows some attraction to viewers to follow their expertise in trading. This is the natural instinct from their part to suppress the loss of money. That’s my aim also to be an expert trader though we often experience losing money but this is our guide to learn some knowledge and do not lose hope when we experience losses.
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October 31, 2019, 02:15:59 AM
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It really depends on the traders if they will hide their losses or they will show it to their followers. A real expert trader will never hide their losses because it is a proof that there is no one that is perfect when it comes to trading. Even though you have a lot of knowledge about trading, you will still suffer from losses but it should motivate you to do more to achieve more in trading.

I've never seen a crypto expert traders on their social media showing their losses, they always show the profits or even they showed their loss, they are not really loss because their profits is much more than their loss.
I think if the traders show his lost (which means he is really lost and experienced big loss) , people will afraid to trade and won't invest or trade much on crypto currency
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October 31, 2019, 02:47:51 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?
there are so many traders who hide their losses moreover it is a famous trader, of course they want to look great, if it shows a loss it will create a bad image for its name, actually this is a natural problem because nothing is perfect and there is no analysis that is 100% accurate.

I don't see anything wrong with it, its normal to every person that what we want other people to see from us is only the great one. So, for me it's okay, for as long as we will not just rely on them and for their signals. Always remember that not everyday is a winning in trading, sometimes we suffer losses too and it's okay, just keep going and move forward.
No doubt it is a matter of personal preference. Some share all sort of experiences while others are choosy ones. But no matter what someone tells, we all know that coming across failure in life is impossible. So it is better to share bad experiences because they will help the newcomers to stay away from such blunders. Life is ups and downs. In digital market, we are more vulnerable to mistakes.

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October 31, 2019, 06:53:12 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


For me, yes, expert traders hide theirs loses; there's no need for other ppl know about there loses. But for them, they don't hide it because they will use it to their calculations/ what the net profit that they made? What it becomes negative, and more reasons all about computations. Also, why do you need to publish your failure if ppl that idolized, support, and follow you will be your criticism? Smiley
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October 31, 2019, 07:58:57 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?

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Lol, this is normal and if you were the one, you will do the same thing, but a trader that is man enough and have the integrity would declare his losses and his winnings, but at least the loss of a perfect trader should not be more than 30 percent of which is good if a trader can have 70% trading success.

Most of the trader that claim to be expert which I have seen a lot of them too always declare their profit alone and you will hardly find anyone that will have declare his or her losses.  This is why we have to be very careful and make findings on an expert trader before we give them our money to trade for us because once you agree to their policy, there is nothing much you can do to them when they lose your money to their trading.

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professional traders usually can get a lot of experience from trading they have ever done and the experience they have is from the trading losses he has ever experienced, so they will only give information to the public the benefits obtained, whereas for their losses they prefer not to be spread to the public. He did like that with the aim to be able to have a good influence and be able to attract investors to trade

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I think most of them hide their loses, but i also think there are some very good traders and they are always on profit when they count it, i wish sometimes can be an expert trader but this will take time and need more experience.
Some traders are not open to discuss their losses and we have to respect them and one thing is for sure, everyone of us here lose money in trading either a big loss or a small loss we can still count that one. I also work to become a good trader, but its not easy and it requires patient, so take it easy.
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November 01, 2019, 02:53:31 AM
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I think these expert traders are hiding their losses just like you said. First of all because as "experts" they need to live up to a professional reputation wherein their trades are good and profitable, would you take trading advice from someone who is broke? No.

If anything I wouldn't be surprised if in reality ALL experts have hidden losses that they never disclose to the public.
Just for the sake of their positive reputation, they are hiding their losses. There is no way they were born experts with amazing trading skills. Definitely they have learned all through experience and there is no concept of learning without losses. They are hiding their failures in order to gain trust of people. I would suggest them rather sharing their losses to motivate people regrading cryptos.

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I think most of them hide their loses, but i also think there are some very good traders and they are always on profit when they count it, i wish sometimes can be an expert trader but this will take time and need more experience.
Some traders are not open to discuss their losses and we have to respect them and one thing is for sure, everyone of us here lose money in trading either a big loss or a small loss we can still count that one. I also work to become a good trader, but its not easy and it requires patient, so take it easy.
It's not inspiring to those experienced traders to remember or to broadcast their loses. Why do bother to share things like that since it will not help anyway, unless they are demonstrating the actual risk inside this market for sure they'll going to give some glimpse of their previous positions, even loses can be tackle to give some hints with their followers to avoid making the same mistake. But if there's nothing related then it's not going to provide any information about those stats.
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November 01, 2019, 03:17:29 AM
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Yes, expert trader hides their losses, I am sure about that. They don't want the public to know that they are making a mistake in analysis, and I think that can make their reputations will be down if people know about their losses. It is better to hide their losses so they can continue to give the analysis, and many people will still believe in them.

But that will not be good for them because they are not, to be honest to themselves and public, and I am sure that in the long term, their losses will be revealed to the public so people can know the truth. Let them hide their losses because that is not related to us, and we don't have to think about them. As long as we can do what best for us, then we don't have to think about them.

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November 01, 2019, 03:20:46 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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Many trading experts, especially those self-proclaimed experts, are ashamed of their losses because it is a negative point for them. Their reputation or image as an expert trader is diminished in every loss that he experiences. But not all of course. There are traders who are considered experts who are ready to admit losses. Most of those who hide their losses are those who are doing lectures, seminars, offering books and tutorial videos and other materials to the public. A trading loss must be a loss of trust to them and their abilities and whatever they are selling.
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November 01, 2019, 04:50:37 AM
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Well, I have seen someone who is an expert trader and he doesn't have that kind of time. Though the person I'm talking about is not the kind of person that likes to seek for attention online, he just sits on his own and trades and doesn't come online to be sharing things about his trade. But, I saw his trade once and he did make a few loss (about four times) but the rest, more than twenty were just profit.

Being an expert trader doesn't mean that you will be making profits only, there are times you will lose, but your ability to overcome your emotions then and continue to trade and correct the mistakes you have made and overtime turn them to profit is what makes you a professional.

So, there is no one that is 100% perfect, experts are humans, so they will make mistakes sometimes but not as noobs who will be making mistakes all the times and losing their money.
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November 01, 2019, 05:13:03 AM
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Will you show your defeats when you want people to believe in you?
i dont think so. That is showing weakness which ain't good for business.
How are they going to follow you if you do that? The effect will be they will not go with the wave and there will be no point in trading anymore since you cannot manipulate it thru the belief of your followers.
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November 01, 2019, 07:18:50 AM
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They definitely did not want to show their bad sides of trading.
At least to the people who have been following and believing them about how a good traders should be.
Even experts, it's kinda hard to believe that they never made any trading mistakes.  Everyone makes mistakes, it means they're human.
You don't want to show your weaknesses to others. Especially their losses.
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November 01, 2019, 07:27:01 AM
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hahahaha, right on the bulls eye...
Everyone has losses, but these guys are earning some money marketing themselves, and as such they only show wins... they want to look perfect traders, what is indeed stupid because people only believe in them because they are ignorant ans think that some super traders only get wins

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November 01, 2019, 07:31:47 AM
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It's all part of the advertising game, it happens even in real companies out there, when they give out defective products, they try theyr best to cover up the fact that it happened because it would make their customers love faith in the product, that is how it happens in almost every aspect of life and I am surprised that you even have to ask this question, failure is a part of life and if you show me someone who is always recording wins without any losses in his life, I would show you someone who is lying through his teeth.

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November 01, 2019, 08:02:13 AM
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I believe yes, they are hiding it. It's their strategy to keep their losses and only expose their earnings to attract more investors. Every business type do the same thing. That's how they promote their products. They will build it with positive reviews. That's a marketing strategy and and we can't blame them for that.
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Being an expert trader doesn't mean that you will be making profits only, there are times you will lose, but your ability to overcome your emotions then and continue to trade and correct the mistakes you have made and overtime turn them to profit is what makes you a professional.
Sorta. I think the most important aspect of being a trader is to be rational and flexible, which means that you should adapt to any sentiment change in the market, despite how much you think your trade will work out.

Most people can't adapt to changes like that, and that's a big contributor to the losses they book. I think there are even some professionals who struggle with that depending on how deep they are into a trade and their win/loss ratio.

At the end of the day, we're all humans, so you can't not be emotional all the time.... even a night with little sleep can contribute to that, or problems in your personal life. We are not machines. Cheesy

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November 01, 2019, 09:15:44 AM
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Experts are clever, they would not tell anyone about their situation, if they get profit or lose, they will just keep it themselves.
What they are busy of is finding a ways to have more success in trading so they will be profitable at the end of the day, and this trading activities can be done personally so its not necessary to let people know about our situation as they can't help us anyway.

In trading, we might have the same strategy but we might have a different ways to execute it.

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November 01, 2019, 09:28:45 AM
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I kinda believed how the trading experts hide their losses and other stupid things they have done while trading. The reason why a lot of newbies lost their trading capital because they believed it was easier to become successful financially in trading crypto or stock and forex. What they fail to realize there were only small percentage of traders who become successful in this field.

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November 01, 2019, 11:48:52 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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Ok so lets put it this way, if I made a stupid mistake, suffered a loss and I did not announce it to the world, how can others know that I made a blunder and suffered a huge loss? If I tell to the world that I lost $10,000 USD in a single trade what would make that out of me? Will I gain it back? I don't see any good reason to tell the world, so why would I.
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November 01, 2019, 01:20:23 PM
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yeah right i often see traders they hide their losses. it's probably because many people want to be seen if he is a reliable trader.
there are also many traders who are already well-known to make VIP Group by paying up to 0.05 btc per month which is also why they always cover losses.

They only do that for their personal agenda since for sure they don't want to lose their followers if  they found out that a losses strikes at them, But actually for me I don't take that personally since for sure even how good they are for sure a bad times will occur since not everyday is a happy day and I will be impress if the trader will show an honesty to provide the result even though it's negative.

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November 01, 2019, 01:54:01 PM
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Will you show your defeats when you want people to believe in you?
i dont think so. That is showing weakness which ain't good for business.
How are they going to follow you if you do that? The effect will be they will not go with the wave and there will be no point in trading anymore since you cannot manipulate it thru the belief of your followers.
Indeed, when we have called them experts, we also understand that they are talented, there are special things that convince us to believe in their analysis and sharing, and their reputation is based on the accuracy of the speculations they provide, the more accurate they predict, it means they're really good. On the contrary, if they show failure and false analysis, they will lose a lot of resources to make money, first the advertising money that the projects pay them, the next will be the opportunity for them to manipulate
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November 01, 2019, 03:47:31 PM
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Will you show your defeats when you want people to believe in you?
i dont think so. That is showing weakness which ain't good for business.
How are they going to follow you if you do that? The effect will be they will not go with the wave and there will be no point in trading anymore since you cannot manipulate it thru the belief of your followers.
Indeed, when we have called them experts, we also understand that they are talented, there are special things that convince us to believe in their analysis and sharing, and their reputation is based on the accuracy of the speculations they provide, the more accurate they predict, it means they're really good. On the contrary, if they show failure and false analysis, they will lose a lot of resources to make money, first the advertising money that the projects pay them, the next will be the opportunity for them to manipulate
Agree with you, it is not because they are hiding it, but it is not necessary and required to show it as we all know that trading is no guarantee that you will earn everyday. So there's nothing wrong with it, for me, what matters is that they are sharing their ideas and knowledge regarding trading.
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I believe yes, they are hiding it. It's their strategy to keep their losses and only expose their earnings to attract more investors.

Wait, what? I hope you are not being serious when you said this.

I am confused, investors? to what? Traders don't hide their losses to attract investors, because they are the investors themselves, they invest their own money, they don't create schemes which they will give referrals to people, ride with their trade, and will run off once they don't earn profits, that's not like that.

Every business type do the same thing. That's how they promote their products. They will build it with positive reviews. That's a marketing strategy and and we can't blame them for that.

Trading is a business, indeed, but I don't agree to the point where you say they hide their losses to attract or promote their products, maybe if we are talking about exchanges, I will agree, but we are talking to individuals who act solo on what they are doing. They hide their losses because there is no point of showing it, your failures makes your success more louder, bear that in mind.
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November 01, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
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Will you show your defeats when you want people to believe in you?
i dont think so. That is showing weakness which ain't good for business.
How are they going to follow you if you do that? The effect will be they will not go with the wave and there will be no point in trading anymore since you cannot manipulate it thru the belief of your followers.
Indeed, when we have called them experts, we also understand that they are talented, there are special things that convince us to believe in their analysis and sharing, and their reputation is based on the accuracy of the speculations they provide, the more accurate they predict, it means they're really good. On the contrary, if they show failure and false analysis, they will lose a lot of resources to make money, first the advertising money that the projects pay them, the next will be the opportunity for them to manipulate
Most of the time prediction goes wrong but no one is going to blame the predictor for such things happens because everyone knows that it is not possible to predict accurately but this also used by the price manipulators using people with much influence on cryptos but is there any trader serious about these kind of sayings from experienced trader?

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November 02, 2019, 05:27:31 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?

The point is to inspire everyone with what they have got or gain. Avoiding such stupid decisions won't help. Though being transparent is good and it shows sincerity but the thing is you are making your own appearance, might as well beautify it. Besides it is already given I guess, they already did that and everyone had faced it they may be don't want to look back at it anymore. Like come on we have to go forward though.
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I think they not declare there losses because of pride and their ego. But if they want to help other to make a good trader and become a expert trader someday they need to show and reveal their loss so it will be a good lesson and avoid those actions which can cause lossees. All we know that even scientist are experienced loss or failed while doing their invention but they reveal it to public to make an inspiration to have more patience. I hope expert traders will have the same mindset also.
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November 02, 2019, 01:11:48 PM
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Personally i am not agree if traders declared their self as an expert.only traders that have hidden purpose when they deaclared and exposed profits history.in trading  view we see many labels on trader account such as " top.trader " ,they didnt declared it by their self,but its appreciation from another traders when satisfied with  their analisys. So its clear for me,no matter if expert hide lossess because they didnt neccessary report to us.

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November 02, 2019, 01:22:06 PM
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I think they not declare there losses because of pride and their ego. But if they want to help other to make a good trader and become a expert trader someday they need to show and reveal their loss so it will be a good lesson and avoid those actions which can cause lossees. All we know that even scientist are experienced loss or failed while doing their invention but they reveal it to public to make an inspiration to have more patience. I hope expert traders will have the same mindset also.

The traders who showed their losses at the end is not good to follow i think, they have to show their losses on the real time so the followers can learn from it.
If they reveal it at the end after much trades that they've made, i think it's useless because the data become useless and we can't make analysis from it because the market condition is dynamic and it is always changing all the time
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November 02, 2019, 01:49:59 PM
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Expert traders are not perfect they are just like us, sometimes committing mistakes.

If they chose to hide their past losses then its none of our business. Showing only their winnings/earnings might be their way to be motivated to continue what they are doing or if they are promoting a site, tools or maybe strategy that can help beginners who want to learn.

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November 02, 2019, 01:53:39 PM
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Traders are more happy to share their wins than losses because you know its an achievement for them. Actually as a trader its very important to share positivity to others , wherein just to show how doing trading can help ppl to make few dollars in easy way. Rather than sharing losses because it cant help to influence other ppl who interested in it.  
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November 02, 2019, 02:30:47 PM
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You are right that even experienced traders are capable of making stupid mistakes.

However, professional professional traders will never hide their mistakes because mistakes are normal.
Any trader should strive for break-even trading if he succeeds well, if not, then he will hide his mistakes only if he wants to deceive those people to whom he sells his signals or if he takes money in trust.

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November 02, 2019, 04:33:55 PM
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Traders are more happy to share their wins than losses because you know its an achievement for them. Actually as a trader its very important to share positivity to others , wherein just to show how doing trading can help ppl to make few dollars in easy way. Rather than sharing losses because it cant help to influence other ppl who interested in it.  

All traders need to share always for their winnings every trade they made because of it, it can be helpful to others and continue to trade even they get lossing for their profits.

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Expert traders are not perfect they are just like us, sometimes committing mistakes.

If they chose to hide their past losses then its none of our business. Showing only their winnings/earnings might be their way to be motivated to continue what they are doing or if they are promoting a site, tools or maybe strategy that can help beginners who want to learn.
Losing trades arent really that appealing on any angle thats why  even these pros wont really like to show up their losing trades and as you said they would either use those stats on other purposes like they are offering some trading service or signal ones or promoting something.If you would be the one to choose, are you tending to show off your losses? Of course not.!
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I really would think they should not show their loses lol for if they would, that would make them look terrible. They only show their wins because they need to be appreciated by the ones watching them. Of course who wouldn't want to see himself being praised by thousands of followers who will buy whichever coin is shilled. If anyone shows his loss and then asked by someone why did he took it, I suppose he'd mumble to his reply on youtube live and that's not good.

Suppose, they also hide their real wins. No one, who earns millions would shout about it everywhere. If he does it, he will be the best-hated man. Really popular successful people (and these experts trends) share with other people the information about mistakes that they do to prove they are "like all fellows".
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November 02, 2019, 10:43:57 PM
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Simple.
How will they get supporters with bringing up the negative sides.

Rather, I think experienced followers should follow such trader who shows you both. The losing side will be a learn tools from the "expert" to you, and that will boost your confidence and learning ability and skill. So, I would prefer they show losses too because it might also bring some reasons.
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I believe yes, they are hiding it. It's their strategy to keep their losses and only expose their earnings to attract more investors. Every business type do the same thing. That's how they promote their products. They will build it with positive reviews. That's a marketing strategy and and we can't blame them for that.
If a trader is not tied to a business in trading such as trading signals or the like, in fact they don't need to be afraid of losing trades open in the public. because it's also not a problem people will understand that not everyone will continue to experience victory. the most important is that the average every month does not show a loss Grin

For traders who hide their losses they usually maintain prestige and also their names that are full of images as a reliable trader. if until people know that it turns out the loss is not their name will also decrease? there is no harm but it tends to be hypocritical if there is no loss in trading Cheesy

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Most probably but I think that there is nothing wrong about hiding your losses because exposing them will just make the others to afraid in investing. It is just like spreading FUDs as the people will only think that Crypto investments is really risky making them to stay away in crypto therefore it would be better if we will just show them that we are earnings so that we could attract more people to join and invest in crypto.
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November 03, 2019, 08:03:51 AM
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Probably but I think that there is nothing wrong about hiding your losses because exposing them will just make the others to afraid in investing. It is just like spreading FUDs as the people will only think that Crypto investments is really risky making them to stay away in crypto therefore it would be better if we will just show them that we are earnings so that we could attract more people to join and invest in crypto.
In any case, a professional trader hides all the information that would be interesting to other users.  I relate to this simpler, because traders hide not only information about their losses, but also about good profit.  Very often I read topics where people ask professionals to share their strategies and many speak out on this subject.  But I am sure that no one will tell about a real strategy that brings a good result.  And no one wants to talk about personal lost at all.
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Probably but I think that there is nothing wrong about hiding your losses because exposing them will just make the others to afraid in investing. It is just like spreading FUDs as the people will only think that Crypto investments is really risky making them to stay away in crypto therefore it would be better if we will just show them that we are earnings so that we could attract more people to join and invest in crypto.
In any case, a professional trader hides all the information that would be interesting to other users.  I relate to this simpler, because traders hide not only information about their losses, but also about good profit.  Very often I read topics where people ask professionals to share their strategies and many speak out on this subject.  But I am sure that no one will tell about a real strategy that brings a good result.  And no one wants to talk about personal lost at all.
Might correct as well, Maybe showing a loss on a professional trader can hurt the trader's status, There are many platforms that offer a ride on a certain trader which they are calling a professional trader. I think platforms show traders' current status to rank them up. I really don't know how to determine a professional trader.

A trader doesn't show its trading history unless a trader wants to prove something or just want to share his history to others, I am a trader and I'm just scared to share my trading history, I may be scared on receiving different questions that I can't answer because of different scenarios on the market.
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November 03, 2019, 08:49:29 AM
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Probably but I think that there is nothing wrong about hiding your losses because exposing them will just make the others to afraid in investing. It is just like spreading FUDs as the people will only think that Crypto investments is really risky making them to stay away in crypto therefore it would be better if we will just show them that we are earnings so that we could attract more people to join and invest in crypto.
In any case, a professional trader hides all the information that would be interesting to other users.  I relate to this simpler, because traders hide not only information about their losses, but also about good profit.  Very often I read topics where people ask professionals to share their strategies and many speak out on this subject.  But I am sure that no one will tell about a real strategy that brings a good result.  And no one wants to talk about personal lost at all.

I still think that depends. There are professional traders who make money out of providing tips to other traders. These people of course have a reputation to consider so they'd want to have an impressive slate when they offer their services. Though in general, i agree that there's little interest in a professional trader's losses. There's nothing to be taken out of it unless he's making money through his image of being a consistent earner.

 
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November 03, 2019, 03:40:46 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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They will never show their negative side in order to gain more support from people and potary them as trading expert who never loose in their feild.Who will listen to someone who has failed and then giving advice to others on how to trade effectively.Its very simple rule that if you want followers show show your shining face to the world not the hidden face behind mask.

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November 03, 2019, 04:56:12 PM
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No expert trader will show you their loses online,  perhaps if you are close to them to an extent they might decide to show you secretly
Majority of the so called expert traders have a paid channel,  showing their followers their loses will tend to reduce the trust in their trade calls
There are several twitter dudes who hide their loses and keep on showing only their wins,  the percentage of their loses is far more greater than their wins and most of are rekt now and no more giving calls

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November 03, 2019, 09:02:51 PM
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No expert trader will show you their loses online,  perhaps if you are close to them to an extent they might decide to show you secretly
Majority of the so called expert traders have a paid channel,  showing their followers their loses will tend to reduce the trust in their trade calls
There are several twitter dudes who hide their loses and keep on showing only their wins,  the percentage of their loses is far more greater than their wins and most of are rekt now and no more giving calls
there are some expert traders who are transparent about this, but they use terms like "have touched sl due to btc conditions" actually this is good for transparency because there is no analysis that has a perfect ratio.

The bad thing is that an expert trader hides all losses and only writes signals after he gets profits and signals only for fomo purposes, or tries to take their coins that have been floating for too long, this is very unhealthy for their followers.
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There are several twitter dudes who hide their loses and keep on showing only their wins,  the percentage of their loses is far more greater than their wins and most of are rekt now and no more giving calls
If you think logically, successful traders have much better things to do than to waste time with noobs on Twitter or any other social media platform, especially with how the crypto market is active 24 hours a day non stop.

From what I have seen it really seems that these TA influencers on social media are just thriving on the views and clicks they generate, and then in some cases also the signals and courses that they offer to their largely noob audience.

I can only laugh seeing these influencers do their best too hard, but it seems to be effective enough to attract views and clicks, so they will continue doing the same they have always done because it works. Undecided

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November 03, 2019, 11:41:07 PM
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Some of them yes and some of them are not, they have names to care so they not want to see others their loses especially in social media's. They are not perpect obviously they got loses too but because they have lot of followers they not what to see their loses so they better to hide it. But in other hand some of known names are very vocal and honest to their followers, it's a personal decision of a person to hide what they lose.
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November 03, 2019, 11:54:42 PM
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Traders are more happy to share their wins than losses because you know its an achievement for them. Actually as a trader its very important to share positivity to others , wherein just to show how doing trading can help ppl to make few dollars in easy way. Rather than sharing losses because it cant help to influence other ppl who interested in it.  
It would not hurt when they shared. precisely so many people can learn the location of errors in taking a trading position. I respect with those who not only share profitable trading signals but also those who lose. there I can learn every mistake made. it is very hypocritical if they say they have never lost to trading. Grin

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November 04, 2019, 12:11:52 AM
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Probably but I think that there is nothing wrong about hiding your losses because exposing them will just make the others to afraid in investing. It is just like spreading FUDs as the people will only think that Crypto investments is really risky making them to stay away in crypto therefore it would be better if we will just show them that we are earnings so that we could attract more people to join and invest in crypto.
In any case, a professional trader hides all the information that would be interesting to other users.  I relate to this simpler, because traders hide not only information about their losses, but also about good profit.  Very often I read topics where people ask professionals to share their strategies and many speak out on this subject.  But I am sure that no one will tell about a real strategy that brings a good result.  And no one wants to talk about personal lost at all.
Does it apply in general? For me it is different in such case wherein a trader who use their profits or portfolion to show how good he or she as trader and the other type was the one you've said, they are hiding the profits and losses.

What's good that caught my mind is the strategy that you're talking about. The real strategy that everyone has will not be revealed because it is your own key. Like me, i gave all my ideas, but what i am doing with that certain tools, in my own chart will not be shared.
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November 04, 2019, 01:22:19 AM
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Probably but I think that there is nothing wrong about hiding your losses because exposing them will just make the others to afraid in investing. It is just like spreading FUDs as the people will only think that Crypto investments is really risky making them to stay away in crypto therefore it would be better if we will just show them that we are earnings so that we could attract more people to join and invest in crypto.
In any case, a professional trader hides all the information that would be interesting to other users.  I relate to this simpler, because traders hide not only information about their losses, but also about good profit.  Very often I read topics where people ask professionals to share their strategies and many speak out on this subject.  But I am sure that no one will tell about a real strategy that brings a good result.  And no one wants to talk about personal lost at all.
Most of them only share their victory and never mention their loss when investing. I think this market should not trust anyone because everything can be fake and often inaccurate. In fact, if you are a long-time trader, losing money is inevitable because big fluctuations are the only reason they feel most worried. I am pretty sure the current investment strategies are not applicable because those strategies are too old and not many people are interested.

It is best to trust yourself during this time because if you have the trading knowledge, you will be easier to make a profit in the bear market.
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November 04, 2019, 01:38:18 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?

First impression last. I am sure that they already did stupid mistakes. It is just that they do wanna impress viewers or may be afraid of being the reason to avoid. Besides the trader might want to look believable. Well how would you gonna look real if you can only show is those silly mistakes of yours right? And I don't find any fault with that even in some businesses usually happen something like this.

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November 04, 2019, 01:39:21 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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November 04, 2019, 04:10:03 AM
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Not only expert trader, most people will try to hide all their bad situation about losses, they do not want people give negative comment about the losses.
Expert, Professional, or whatever it's called want to built good reputation for their potofolio, so hiding the losses is one way of that. When they have reputation then they can do another business like paid signal, copytrade in forex trading, people will join him because see the trading portofolio. What we must understand is that it is impossible for a trader never experience a loss even they are an experts.

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November 04, 2019, 04:55:35 AM
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I think all traders also hide their losses, They only show benefits to us so that we become interested,
or become followers of them. All traders must have felt a loss but they hide to cover their shame to the beginners.

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November 04, 2019, 05:51:47 AM
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I think all traders also hide their losses, They only show benefits to us so that we become interested,
or become followers of them. All traders must have felt a loss but they hide to cover their shame to the beginners.

They will for sure will not show how much losses they have, they will just show how much they are earning for a day. For me, its okay, no one should force them for this, what we need to focus is our own strategy, our own perception, our own destiny. We should not just rely on those expert traders, we should have our own.

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November 04, 2019, 06:29:40 AM
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I think all traders also hide their losses, They only show benefits to us so that we become interested,
or become followers of them. All traders must have felt a loss but they hide to cover their shame to the beginners.

They will for sure will not show how much losses they have, they will just show how much they are earning for a day. For me, its okay, no one should force them for this, what we need to focus is our own strategy, our own perception, our own destiny. We should not just rely on those expert traders, we should have our own.
It is not okay if certain person offering trading educational program or even selling books meanwhile they are losing huge or just as equal to what they make. If an expert is trying to sell off his experience in trading they must be a qualified expert that have many succesfull experiences and shouldn't hide their losses. Although that's just my opinion but that's the most important thing for me to see whether a trading expert is qualified or not to give their opinion to other people or selling his knowledge. You know, sometimes people can be misleading.

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November 04, 2019, 06:56:40 AM
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I think all traders also hide their losses, They only show benefits to us so that we become interested,
or become followers of them. All traders must have felt a loss but they hide to cover their shame to the beginners.

They will for sure will not show how much losses they have, they will just show how much they are earning for a day. For me, its okay, no one should force them for this, what we need to focus is our own strategy, our own perception, our own destiny. We should not just rely on those expert traders, we should have our own.
To motivate someone, sometimes some traders talk about their benefits without telling about the losses they have received. this happened to a relative of mine who often told me about the highest profit he had ever gotten. however, I believe that to reach that point, so many sacrifices have been made. but believe me, no matter how good they plan, or tricks they use when they trading, they are so close to the risk of trading.

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November 04, 2019, 09:01:12 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?

First impression last. I am sure that they already did stupid mistakes. It is just that they do wanna impress viewers or may be afraid of being the reason to avoid. Besides the trader might want to look believable. Well how would you gonna look real if you can only show is those silly mistakes of yours right? And I don't find any fault with that even in some businesses usually happen something like this.

Of course they do that, what else would you expect especially when they are also selling signals and claiming to be selling you expensive information and professional advice? I've seen so many paid channels, and years ago stupid enough to even pay for premium and it's all the same bullshit.

Same thing with gamblers who only show good tips, it's all worthless.

The only honest ones are the ones who don't ask for payment I think. But even those give up and disappear when they do so badly.

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November 04, 2019, 01:25:23 PM
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So-called expert traders do not share their secrets. If they have been wildly successful with cryptocurrency trading, why on earth would they share their trades?

A hugely successful trader can turn $10,000 into $1 million within a year. But these guys want the tiny subscription amounts? Hogwash.
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November 04, 2019, 01:34:45 PM
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If The Real McCoy was going to share their real trading results it would look more like this

Small win
Small win
Small win, feel peaceful
Small win
Small loss, this is not so bad
Small win
Small loss
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Win
HUUUGE LOSS AHHH IM GOING TO KILL MYSELF
another HUGE LOSS AHHH ALL MY PROFITS ARE GONE FOREVER
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Another HUGE LOSS AHHH HELP IM DIEING HERE HELLLP....

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November 04, 2019, 01:57:31 PM
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Maybe they are going to show only the successful or the wins they have in trading because they want to motivate the other people.
But if a trader share the story they failed and how to become successful they are very good trader because they show both side such as bad and good side of the trading. But what ever they want to share it's their own.
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November 07, 2019, 09:29:17 PM
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Of course they do that, what else would you expect especially when they are also selling signals and claiming to be selling you expensive information and professional advice? I've seen so many paid channels, and years ago stupid enough to even pay for premium and it's all the same bullshit.

Same thing with gamblers who only show good tips, it's all worthless.

The only honest ones are the ones who don't ask for payment I think. But even those give up and disappear when they do so badly.
No only that, if they were honest about what entails to be a trader then there will not be as many aspirant traders around the world, if they told their followers that 90% of them will lose all their money in less than a year and the rest will be lucky to make enough money to pay the fees and the taxes they need to pay to the government and that true traders do not really need a signals service since they have a strategy that tells them when to enter the market then they will never sell a single subscription.

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1. it is a show off, to make proof that they have never made a mistake in trading. and want to make someone believe in him.
2. The second possibility is to create motivation for others who do not have a trading passion.
3. The possibility is shame, when someone already believes it and he does not want to lose confidence, then a trader will continue to show the good, especially for a community.
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Do you really think an "expert" trader will want to show their losses? People won't consider them expert any more if they see that they make "significant" amount of losses. Then there is this "self importance" and "self respect" thing (aka ego) which they have it in them in abnormally high amount. After all what might their followers think if they see their losses? The so called "expert" traders will feel really ashamed if their followers know about their losses.

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November 08, 2019, 12:21:56 PM
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Do you really think an "expert" trader will want to show their losses? People won't consider them expert any more if they see that they make "significant" amount of losses. Then there is this "self importance" and "self respect" thing (aka ego) which they have it in them in abnormally high amount. After all what might their followers think if they see their losses? The so called "expert" traders will feel really ashamed if their followers know about their losses.
If everything would be verified when it comes to stats then theres no way on hiding it but we know that people can secretly deny those
loses.Its not really a shame thing to share it up because it would be still good on sharing it up but the most important thing is that you are profiting.
Im not really believing too much into those experts talks because if they were experts on the first place they wont really need any followers and
they would just trade and make profits on their own.
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Do you really think an "expert" trader will want to show their losses? People won't consider them expert any more if they see that they make "significant" amount of losses. Then there is this "self importance" and "self respect" thing (aka ego) which they have it in them in abnormally high amount. After all what might their followers think if they see their losses? The so called "expert" traders will feel really ashamed if their followers know about their losses.
And I think also that there is no sense of doing that as for them, such losses are a part of crypto trading, everyone would experience it for sure.
Even though they hide or never tell it but it looks impossible if they never suffer such losses. They become expert because of the learning they'll get from there and it helps them to formulate other strategies which give them an opportunity to succeed.

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November 12, 2019, 04:16:41 PM
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Do you really think an "expert" trader will want to show their losses? People won't consider them expert any more if they see that they make "significant" amount of losses. Then there is this "self importance" and "self respect" thing (aka ego) which they have it in them in abnormally high amount. After all what might their followers think if they see their losses? The so called "expert" traders will feel really ashamed if their followers know about their losses.
Personally I will be very interested in a trader if he showed his results without any filter, drawdowns are part of the life of any trader or investor, Warren Buffett which is the best investor around the world has experimented drawdowns of more than 50% during his career and he could recover from that, to me that is a very important quality as a trader, you do not want to receive advice from someone that at the first sign of trouble goes crazy and invests everything in an ico to recover his money quickly.

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Do you really think an "expert" trader will want to show their losses? People won't consider them expert any more if they see that they make "significant" amount of losses. Then there is this "self importance" and "self respect" thing (aka ego) which they have it in them in abnormally high amount. After all what might their followers think if they see their losses? The so called "expert" traders will feel really ashamed if their followers know about their losses.
Personally I will be very interested in a trader if he showed his results without any filter, drawdowns are part of the life of any trader or investor, Warren Buffett which is the best investor around the world has experimented drawdowns of more than 50% during his career and he could recover from that, to me that is a very important quality as a trader, you do not want to receive advice from someone that at the first sign of trouble goes crazy and invests everything in an ico to recover his money quickly.
I think the same way here. I need to watch the real, unfiltered, results.

In contrast there must be some phony baloney expert traders out there that put on a showy act.
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November 13, 2019, 03:51:22 AM
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Building a reputation doesn't always have to be open with a portfolio that fails, everyone understands it because no one likes losses. But comfort can also be seen if they don't look too perfect and explain the reasons for trading based on the fact of market movements. No matter for the type of independent experts or those connected with the business, Followers have the interest and comfort of each of their contributions.
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Do you really think an "expert" trader will want to show their losses? People won't consider them expert any more if they see that they make "significant" amount of losses. Then there is this "self importance" and "self respect" thing (aka ego) which they have it in them in abnormally high amount. After all what might their followers think if they see their losses? The so called "expert" traders will feel really ashamed if their followers know about their losses.
Personally I will be very interested in a trader if he showed his results without any filter, drawdowns are part of the life of any trader or investor, Warren Buffett which is the best investor around the world has experimented drawdowns of more than 50% during his career and he could recover from that, to me that is a very important quality as a trader, you do not want to receive advice from someone that at the first sign of trouble goes crazy and invests everything in an ico to recover his money quickly.
Indeed. I also see no problem if they show their losses as long as their profits is still dominant than the losses. Although somehow there are times wherein losses become dominant than profits but there nothing should be ashamed of that because that is basically part of life in trading. A professional trader are not those who gets lesser losses but rather are those who are able to manage and recover from the bearish market.

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Do you really think an "expert" trader will want to show their losses? People won't consider them expert any more if they see that they make "significant" amount of losses. Then there is this "self importance" and "self respect" thing (aka ego) which they have it in them in abnormally high amount. After all what might their followers think if they see their losses? The so called "expert" traders will feel really ashamed if their followers know about their losses.
As I know, any expert will hide their losses in investment because if they openly they will face many problems and certainly no one will spend time watching. I have met a lot of good traders in this market but no one dared to share their losses and always claim to be able to make money anywhere. I know it's a lie but there are still many good analytics to help people and avoid big losses when investing.

I personally am not a good trader but I still listen to some of their advice. In invest , things often happen unexpectedly and if you don't know the analysis, you will face more risks.

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November 13, 2019, 11:29:05 AM
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Mostly noone would share about losses. Its like a big nightmare that you wouldn't wanna remember again. Expert traders are also humans they made mistakes. Showing their losses is somehow lower their reputation. There are people who will always look up to them and most likely they will only show the good side of everything. It will keep their trusting rights and give them credibility to do trading for others.

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November 13, 2019, 11:46:35 AM
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Mostly noone would share about losses. Its like a big nightmare that you wouldn't wanna remember again. Expert traders are also humans they made mistakes. Showing their losses is somehow lower their reputation. There are people who will always look up to them and most likely they will only show the good side of everything. It will keep their trusting rights and give them credibility to do trading for others.

If most people are so honest well for sure they tell to anyone else their very huge losses. As I noticed, most people doesn't tell their losses due to their pride as a trader. Also, having such losses it's not necessary to tell in which it's so disappointed and depressed moment as most people proud to their huge profits unlike for having losses.
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Yes, all traders have done it either beginners or experts, they do not want to open the negative side to get support for them, to become an expert trader many lessons must be passed, including stupid things that can harm them themselves. I think it does not need to be discussed because because the Republic will have a bad impact on the crypto trade they better show their profits to attract and many join when they see their big withdrawal
if they are after with followers for sure they will never reveal those loses, they will just provide big earnings that they've got from the market.
People will be interested following expert traders that have winning trades and not those negative outcomes. It will distract followers to entrust
the trust if so called expert will reveal losing positions. Make no good impact so why sharing it.
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November 13, 2019, 01:15:45 PM
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Mostly noone would share about losses. Its like a big nightmare that you wouldn't wanna remember again. Expert traders are also humans they made mistakes. Showing their losses is somehow lower their reputation. There are people who will always look up to them and most likely they will only show the good side of everything. It will keep their trusting rights and give them credibility to do trading for others.

Yeah i think it's humane if the pro traders with already high reputation don't wanna show their losses, they made money from their follower and some traders are take advatages from their follower to pump the coins that they bought. So, i think it depends on the follower, even the pro traders not showing their loss, i think we should see which traders are really good which are not.

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This always happens in some operators, mostly hiding their failures to avoid being criticized. Marketing is often very difficult for the person who performs it when weakness is discovered.

There is a totally different approach when traders give their points of view and comment on their earnings and the reasons for the losses, because when they fail it is when they learn the most, or even when they lose it, they know why it happened, one of my favorite authors It is Jesse Livermore, a very famous speculator, he became rich and poor 5 times thanks to his operations in the stock market, he finally committed suicide, but in his books he recounts the way he operated, his failures, the reason for his failures, You really learn a lot from him, if you have a chance read the books about that great speculator, his techniques are adaptable to the crypto market.

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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


I think those "experts" surely do things that are abysmal to professional trading but the reason they might not show it is because for you not to learn the wrong way and think it is the proper way. Again, some of the experts conduct seminars and tutorials for the public so you can't be seeing all losses and still have the interest to go on with them. For marketing to be successful, you have to give your best.

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November 14, 2019, 03:28:56 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


I think those "experts" surely do things that are abysmal to professional trading but the reason they might not show it is because for you not to learn the wrong way and think it is the proper way. Again, some of the experts conduct seminars and tutorials for the public so you can't be seeing all losses and still have the interest to go on with them. For marketing to be successful, you have to give your best.

This is their own strategy, and we know the truth, then we should not just trust everything that we are seeing via online, there are things that they shouldn't tell to everyone and for me they don't owe everything to us, so it is fine for me, I don't care at all, I have nothing against it, what matters to me is that they are doing  something that will help new traders and they are sharing their real insights about crypto world.

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November 14, 2019, 04:37:57 PM
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Mostly noone would share about losses. Its like a big nightmare that you wouldn't wanna remember again. Expert traders are also humans they made mistakes. Showing their losses is somehow lower their reputation. There are people who will always look up to them and most likely they will only show the good side of everything. It will keep their trusting rights and give them credibility to do trading for others.

Yeah i think it's humane if the pro traders with already high reputation don't wanna show their losses, they made money from their follower and some traders are take advatages from their follower to pump the coins that they bought. So, i think it depends on the follower, even the pro traders not showing their loss, i think we should see which traders are really good which are not.
Hiding their loses is as good as hiding their weakness while it lure people to think that the trader is an omniscient being that could know what will happen in the future and that's just wrong. By showing his record of trade people could then judge it by themselves whether the expert traders is worthy to follow or not. It's not that I'm doubtful of any expert traders out there but if I could say someone who consider themselves as an expert trader atleast could show us that they have made good profit and not just empty talk. loses is not something that could ruin someone's reputation but a blatant lie definitely can.

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November 14, 2019, 04:53:43 PM
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This is a very normal expression. No one wants to speak out about their embarrassing failures in public.
But I'm sure, those legendary traders all have to go through the worst days possible. because this is an interesting job and very difficult to master. Therefore, all of their experiences are valuable and we should learn from them.

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November 14, 2019, 06:00:25 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


I think those "experts" surely do things that are abysmal to professional trading but the reason they might not show it is because for you not to learn the wrong way and think it is the proper way. Again, some of the experts conduct seminars and tutorials for the public so you can't be seeing all losses and still have the interest to go on with them. For marketing to be successful, you have to give your best.
It seems to me that in the first place you need to start with yourself, because I am not really thirsty to talk about my trading results, especially if I have failed.  Other cryptocurrency users may act in the same way, while taking into account the fact that untruthful and fake statements about trading are used by certain groups of people to manipulate the cryptocurrency market and traders as well.  If someone has a special negative opinion about the use of signals to manipulate the market, in my opinion these two provisions can be used for the same purpose.
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November 14, 2019, 06:24:10 PM
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This is a very normal expression. No one wants to speak out about their embarrassing failures in public.
But I'm sure, those legendary traders all have to go through the worst days possible. because this is an interesting job and very difficult to master. Therefore, all of their experiences are valuable and we should learn from them.
^ All traders are done through with a massive loses, believed me, no one will always win in trading even how expert you are in trading.
So, as they called their self as an expert in trading, they are hiding what they'd messed base on what they had experienced. But I think hiding previous work is not necessary because people/traders are not looking at your previous work, they wanted to know how expert you are in trading and what strategy you use that they can learn with it.
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November 14, 2019, 11:46:24 PM
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This is a very normal expression. No one wants to speak out about their embarrassing failures in public.
But I'm sure, those legendary traders all have to go through the worst days possible. because this is an interesting job and very difficult to master. Therefore, all of their experiences are valuable and we should learn from them.
^ All traders are done through with a massive loses, believed me, no one will always win in trading even how expert you are in trading.
So, as they called their self as an expert in trading, they are hiding what they'd messed base on what they had experienced. But I think hiding previous work is not necessary because people/traders are not looking at your previous work, they wanted to know how expert you are in trading and what strategy you use that they can learn with it.
There's no use if we will be able to know how messy they are and how often they commit losses because what is important is what they have become now. When we say experts, it simply means it just passed from a tough one and survived all of those negative years and now come out as a very good and expert one. After all, what we are looking is the present character of a trader which will serve as a role model to others who are still beginners in trading.

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November 15, 2019, 03:06:36 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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They are experts and insincere. Online trading journals are there to encourage traders to develop their trading skills for profitability. I think showing their wrong move which cost them loses might make them look unprofessional to their audience. As an trader, you should make the stock market your reference, which should make you understand that successful companies loose too. Therefore,  professional traders don't trade without losses
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Of course they hide their losses during trading, I think there is only one reason, because of shame. Yeah they feel ashamed if the beginners know they have lost trading. They want us to follow them to raise their names for other beginners.

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November 15, 2019, 03:48:34 AM
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Yes, that is obvious. they have to give their achievements as evidence to convince people and I feel that is not wrong.
And there are many professional traders who confess that nobody will have a winning rate of more than 80%. The prediction will be a prediction and investors or traders usually make a 40% or more than 100% false prediction.
but the truth is they are still rich and they have a secret to managing their capital.

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You as a person is your own brand. So walking around a mall is like advertising your own brand, if you are wearing a good shirt and shoes and nice pair of slacks then you will be noticed as a good dresser and that will be your brand. Now if you show or tell the people how much your losses are and post it online, then next time you post something about your trades, most likely no one will read it anymore, because you are already branded as a failure. So if you are into promoting yourself as a good trader and you ask people to pay you for tips, then you have to take care of your own brand, you will not post anything that will ruin your brand. Just my thoughts.
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Anyone who knows what excellence is, who know it doesn't just come on a platter of gold. There is always a price to pay.
Experts must have made a lot of losses and mistakes in the past. You are also on the way to expertise, at least you are not where you were last year in the knowledge of crypto currency. But since you don't dwell on your past,then you have strength to move faster.you are only not opportuned to hear from them.
Moreso, to encourage you traders, you don't have to place your difficulties before them.
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Experts have an order history that is included in the trial strategy and then get accuracy in their next strategy, this is always confidential. But to convince others, they also open a number of files related to losses but still below 30%, the aim is to balance the conditions which show that he is not always in the right position, he also does not want to be blamed if many publication strategies fail at a time which is not profitable.
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Of course they hide their losses during trading, I think there is only one reason, because of shame. Yeah they feel ashamed if the beginners know they have lost trading. They want us to follow them to raise their names for other beginners.
Other people do not hide  what they have lost for learnings reasons , if you want to share a story then you will start the story from your lost before you go to your succeed to give more interesting stories.besides not all people learn trading in one day even you are professional traders you start your journey as a noob and lot of mistake can be possible to happen.

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November 15, 2019, 10:58:04 AM
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Of course they hide their losses during trading, I think there is only one reason, because of shame. Yeah they feel ashamed if the beginners know they have lost trading. They want us to follow them to raise their names for other beginners.
Another reason is that they are thinking that if they show their losses to beginners, their followers will decrease because some beginners' mind set in following a trader isn't correct thus they somehow look if a trader's trades were smooth wherein they should seem to be perfect ideally. On the other hand as a good influencer you should make your followers that nothing is perfect in trading.

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This always happens in some operators, mostly hiding their failures to avoid being criticized. Marketing is often very difficult for the person who performs it when weakness is discovered.

There is a totally different approach when traders give their points of view and comment on their earnings and the reasons for the losses, because when they fail it is when they learn the most, or even when they lose it, they know why it happened, one of my favorite authors It is Jesse Livermore, a very famous speculator, he became rich and poor 5 times thanks to his operations in the stock market, he finally committed suicide, but in his books he recounts the way he operated, his failures, the reason for his failures, You really learn a lot from him, if you have a chance read the books about that great speculator, his techniques are adaptable to the crypto market.
Yes, most of the time people don’t tell them about their loss because they think people will consider them as inexpert traders so they hide as they feel hesitation in sharing it. I personally believe that it’s not good to hide from others as if we all share about our lose and cause of losing so Maybe someone could give me useful advice and that will be helpful to discuss.
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November 16, 2019, 04:42:29 PM
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Personally I will be very interested in a trader if he showed his results without any filter, drawdowns are part of the life of any trader or investor, Warren Buffett which is the best investor around the world has experimented drawdowns of more than 50% during his career and he could recover from that, to me that is a very important quality as a trader, you do not want to receive advice from someone that at the first sign of trouble goes crazy and invests everything in an ico to recover his money quickly.
Indeed. I also see no problem if they show their losses as long as their profits is still dominant than the losses. Although somehow there are times wherein losses become dominant than profits but there nothing should be ashamed of that because that is basically part of life in trading. A professional trader are not those who gets lesser losses but rather are those who are able to manage and recover from the bearish market.
Another important issue is that we are coming from a positive season for crypto and when that happens many claim to be experts since even the most unskilled trader could still get profits in a bull market and anyone not aware of this fact may think the trader is a genius when that is not the case, the true talent of a trader is seen when the market turns bearish since I have always thought that it is not as important the money that you win as a trader but the money you keep.

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I think so called expert traders that claim to be such, actually hide what they really invest. They pretend to go in with more than they actually do sometimes. That's so easy to fake actually that its ridiculous.We shouldn't accept anything less than DEX blockchain transactions from a signed address as proof of trades and profits.

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November 17, 2019, 04:16:29 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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It is true that most of the so called trading expert never show their losses and show their winning trades only but it does not mean they are trading in loss, their track record may not be that much fascinating what they show online to attract more investors. Many are in profit but the have big dd in their account and that is the worst thing any account have. Bigger dd means your account was on the verge of wiping out. Real traders keep their account statement open for view to all.

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In the world of trading, especially cryptocurrency, losses are common. because it is an unavoidable risk.. be it a big loss or a small loss. But the difference is how they reduce the risk of loss. there are some people who just want to share in their good experiences by not telling stupid things they have ever done. maybe the intention is to maintain integrity as an expert trader or a professional trader. but actually experience is the best teacher that is better to share as well so that everyone does not make the same mistakes I guess.

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I think so called expert traders that claim to be such, actually hide what they really invest. They pretend to go in with more than they actually do sometimes. That's so easy to fake actually that its ridiculous.We shouldn't accept anything less than DEX blockchain transactions from a signed address as proof of trades and profits.
There are some things that are actually necessary otherwise they might not gain the attention of their target. There is no perfect person, and I think that it will be impossible for any trader to actually make trades without having any loss even if the person is the best traders in the world, but because of the lack of understanding of people for this is the reason why some people hide their losses.

People expect that some trader will be perfect and not have history of losses, and I think that it is unrealistic of them to think so, and they might judge the person based on that and never patronize them if they know they are making losses, so that is the simple reason why they hide it, but if it was me, I would not do that because I can as well start trading for myself alone and be making money if people are not willing to put their money down for me.

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In the world of trading, especially cryptocurrency, losses are common. because it is an unavoidable risk.. be it a big loss or a small loss. But the difference is how they reduce the risk of loss. there are some people who just want to share in their good experiences by not telling stupid things they have ever done. maybe the intention is to maintain integrity as an expert trader or a professional trader. but actually experience is the best teacher that is better to share as well so that everyone does not make the same mistakes I guess.
Good thing when you do read up past experiences with other people is that you would really be aware on the possible things that you might encountered along the way,.
which is more better rather than having zero knowledge at all.

Getting experiences from others isn't that necessary though but its much better to look it up so that you are already somewhat aware and be prepared to possible losses.
Yes, its inevitable but we can really less it up basing on our experience.
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In the world of trading, especially cryptocurrency, losses are common. because it is an unavoidable risk.. be it a big loss or a small loss. But the difference is how they reduce the risk of loss. there are some people who just want to share in their good experiences by not telling stupid things they have ever done. maybe the intention is to maintain integrity as an expert trader or a professional trader. but actually experience is the best teacher that is better to share as well so that everyone does not make the same mistakes I guess.
Good thing when you do read up past experiences with other people is that you would really be aware on the possible things that you might encountered along the way,.
which is more better rather than having zero knowledge at all.

Getting experiences from others isn't that necessary though but its much better to look it up so that you are already somewhat aware and be prepared to possible losses.
Yes, its inevitable but we can really less it up basing on our experience.

Agree with you, let's just focus on our own losses, let's just be careful when trusting people, there are really traders who are suffering losses too, and for sure they will not show it in public and they are not required or we cannot force them to do it, unless he/she your friend that he can trust most too. So, the thing is, we should not just rely on their signals, we should do our part and analyze the price action of each coins/tokens that we wanted to trade at.


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Probably, the reason why they hide their loses is because they don't want to lose their followers. Because if people know they made mistake, then people might not call them expert trader anymore. This is funny, a real expert trader should not matter about this. Instead of hiding loses, expert trader should just be honest at what happened and giving solution or best moves in that bad situation.

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November 18, 2019, 02:29:27 PM
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Probably, the reason why they hide their loses is because they don't want to lose their followers. Because if people know they made mistake, then people might not call them expert trader anymore. This is funny, a real expert trader should not matter about this. Instead of hiding loses, expert trader should just be honest at what happened and giving solution or best moves in that bad situation.
Losing followers is a small thing, losing reputation and a voice in the crypto community is a bigger one, and except for these issues, it could be the effects on their crypto work, more precisely, their collaboration on interviews and news with magazines. Their actions to protect themselves are not wrong but a bad view of them will appear if someone sees their losses, living and avoiding failure will be uncomfortable, it is better to be as you say, be honest with people and accept mistakes, everyone will be able to sympathize with crypto experts, they understand that experts are humans, not gods, mistakes are normal

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Sure they do. The difference between them and non-expert traders is that they learn sth from each trade. It's not a shame to lose money if you get a lesson out of it!
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November 18, 2019, 04:50:45 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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There is a reason why they are called expert traders.
If they start showing you losses, a big question gonna come against their credibility. Usually such traders make huge amount by selling subscriptions to their trading signals and just telling the wins is the part of their marketing campaign.
Why would you follow a trader if he starts showing his losses when others are not disclosing that? It's a part of competing strategy as well.
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Sure they do. The difference between them and non-expert traders is that they learn sth from each trade. It's not a shame to lose money if you get a lesson out of it!
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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I guess part of it is so that they maintain their image. Absolutely everyone makes mistakes and bad trades from time to time. I think part of it has to also be because so many of them become like "influencers" in the crypto-sphere, and they want to keep that up.
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November 19, 2019, 08:03:38 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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I guess part of it is so that they maintain their image. Absolutely everyone makes mistakes and bad trades from time to time. I think part of it has to also be because so many of them become like "influencers" in the crypto-sphere, and they want to keep that up.
Absolutely, they will hide it or even if they are willing to show their losses its only a some part of it and not the big ones, if i loss i can show it to people that i made mistake if i won i will show it more because it was a good thing that i've earn something from my own trade as simple as that. People have their own differences and this influencers does make their own to maintain their own business.
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Sure they do. The difference between them and non-expert traders is that they learn sth from each trade. It's not a shame to lose money if you get a lesson out of it!
+1 Merit

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November 19, 2019, 08:21:17 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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There is a reason why they are called expert traders.
If they start showing you losses, a big question gonna come against their credibility. Usually such traders make huge amount by selling subscriptions to their trading signals and just telling the wins is the part of their marketing campaign.
Why would you follow a trader if he starts showing his losses when others are not disclosing that? It's a part of competing strategy as well.
I remember some great people also started their careers from failure. even professional traders will not get their professional titles without making fatal mistakes. although they hid their defeat, but they did not seem to intend to keep it a secret. some people just want to know their success. however, some traders sometimes tell of their bitter experiences to encourage new traders and try to convince them so they don't give up easily

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November 19, 2019, 11:14:19 AM
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Losing followers is a small thing, losing reputation and a voice in the crypto community is a bigger one, and except for these issues, it could be the effects on their crypto work, more precisely, their collaboration on interviews and news with magazines. Their actions to protect themselves are not wrong but a bad view of them will appear if someone sees their losses, living and avoiding failure will be uncomfortable, it is better to be as you say, be honest with people and accept mistakes, everyone will be able to sympathize with crypto experts, they understand that experts are humans, not gods, mistakes are normal

That's the most important part for hiding any loss, and no... not everyone can sympathize with others especially in trading world and experts are always expected to be perfect, no excuse for any mistakes and that's little part of greed.

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In the world of trading, especially cryptocurrency, losses are common. because it is an unavoidable risk.. be it a big loss or a small loss. But the difference is how they reduce the risk of loss. there are some people who just want to share in their good experiences by not telling stupid things they have ever done. maybe the intention is to maintain integrity as an expert trader or a professional trader. but actually experience is the best teacher that is better to share as well so that everyone does not make the same mistakes I guess.
It is funny because they hide their results in order to maintain their reputation as expert traders but once people get to know that they had been hiding the results of their activities as traders they will lose their reputation forever, after all if they are willing to lie about the results they are getting then it is fair to wonder about what else they are lying about? After I understood this I stopped following any trader that published their results because I understood they simply had too many incentives to lie to the people that follows them.

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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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Some traders are don't like to see others what there losses that is why they are hiding it to assume that they always win no losses. Some are hiding because they don't want to tell others that they are not good in trading. But many of them are willing to say there losses because they don't want to hide all there losses and everyone know it.
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You need to understand that most of these expert traders have followers learning trading under them, of which they cant portray their loses so it won't affect the trust and confidence their students and follower have in them.  They can only show their major profit so that more followers and student will have the mentality that they profit at all time and then go ahead to charge them for paid group signals and trade tutorials. Their reputation is very important to them so they do all they can to maintain

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November 21, 2019, 05:51:54 PM
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Basically someone will start with a loss and even though they have become experts, still, at least the loss will always be with him. But indeed, they are good at cutting losses so that even though they get a loss but it is not a loss that makes it stressful or maybe bankrupt. So, I am very sure why basically losses are something that must be hidden and need not be remembered.

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November 21, 2019, 05:55:22 PM
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Sure they do. The difference between them and non-expert traders is that they learn sth from each trade. It's not a shame to lose money if you get a lesson out of it!
Maybe they hide their lose as they don’t want to discourage the new traders. Mostly it comes as Ego problem that what people will say about them and their good name of being an expert traders will get affected by this lose. I think lose and profit is part of our life where there is profit there will be lose as well so its bad to make issue out of it, just admit it and next time avoid mistake to earn more than you lost.
I do not think that they will hide their loses because of their ego and hiding their loses will not help the new traders as if they will hide that how they lost then the new traders will not be able to avoid that loses. Expert traders share their real trade strategy and they want more and more traders to come and to trade with courage as it help the market to increase the volume. If any trader want to hide his loses then it may be because of any competition if he have any among his friends or any circle of him.
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November 21, 2019, 06:50:03 PM
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we can not only make winning trading transactions every so often we lose even there is never 100%, traders who have some reputation to defend who write in newspapers, social networks or offer their advice in trading tend to advertise only their successes and i do not say that they hide their losses but minimize or omit them...
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November 21, 2019, 07:25:09 PM
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Well, I think they just want to lure more traders and once newbies saw the past transactions on their advisor that has a massive earning they will encourage to join in trading. In trading, the more traders the more chances that you can get a better profit. There are always competitions out there if you in trading. So now, to have more tempted to others I think hiding losses if very effective. Indeed, many people want expert traders and getting them as a tutorial instructor in trading. Just like E-toro trading, newbies can copy-paste the work of expert traders.









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November 21, 2019, 11:27:04 PM
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I think it is pretty normal for every traders to have losses even in a small amount of money because they don't need to pretend to every people around them that he doesn't experience any losses  because he is an expert trader. They don't to hide their losses for expert traders to have a good reputation because a lot of people already know that they are still an expert in trading no matter what. The only reason why they become an expert in the first place because they can minimize their losses and they can easily get back all of their losses, that is why they don't need to hide their loses.



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November 21, 2019, 11:51:38 PM
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Sure they do. The difference between them and non-expert traders is that they learn sth from each trade. It's not a shame to lose money if you get a lesson out of it!
Maybe they hide their lose as they don’t want to discourage the new traders. Mostly it comes as Ego problem that what people will say about them and their good name of being an expert traders will get affected by this lose. I think lose and profit is part of our life where there is profit there will be lose as well so its bad to make issue out of it, just admit it and next time avoid mistake to earn more than you lost.
I do not think that they will hide their loses because of their ego and hiding their loses will not help the new traders as if they will hide that how they lost then the new traders will not be able to avoid that loses. Expert traders share their real trade strategy and they want more and more traders to come and to trade with courage as it help the market to increase the volume. If any trader want to hide his loses then it may be because of any competition if he have any among his friends or any circle of him.
Depends on a certain personality of a trader because there are some that do hide their losses without any intentions or just simply doesnt want to
talk nor mention their loses as sort of giving out good impressions to those who followed him.It will vary or depend if he decide to show up his
mistakes to his followers to make some situation realization but i doubt only a few would certainly do such thing.Most of the time, these people will
always look and be proud into their profitable trades.

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November 22, 2019, 11:43:43 AM
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Sure they do. The difference between them and non-expert traders is that they learn sth from each trade. It's not a shame to lose money if you get a lesson out of it!
Maybe they hide their lose as they don’t want to discourage the new traders. Mostly it comes as Ego problem that what people will say about them and their good name of being an expert traders will get affected by this lose. I think lose and profit is part of our life where there is profit there will be lose as well so its bad to make issue out of it, just admit it and next time avoid mistake to earn more than you lost.
I do not think that they will hide their loses because of their ego and hiding their loses will not help the new traders as if they will hide that how they lost then the new traders will not be able to avoid that loses. Expert traders share their real trade strategy and they want more and more traders to come and to trade with courage as it help the market to increase the volume. If any trader want to hide his loses then it may be because of any competition if he have any among his friends or any circle of him.

I think it will depend on the attitide of the person, if he don't want others to see him losing money in trading because of his pride then he will certainly keep it hidden and if that certain expert trader is popular and have many supporters i think he will hide it because of the possibility that his/her supporters doesn't support them anymore and they will lose their popularity and trust of others but just like what i've said it will only depend on the attitude, on how we see things that happens to us and on how we will react to a certain situation specially our losses in trades.



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November 22, 2019, 11:55:04 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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When I asked the truth, he said that he has lost more than $ 700k since trading crypto. he sells real estate to enter this market and things are getting worse and worse. Currently I have not seen any rich traders relying on trade crypto. That shows that trade is very risky.

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November 22, 2019, 12:03:24 PM
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I think it is pretty normal for every traders to have losses even in a small amount of money because they don't need to pretend to every people around them that he doesn't experience any losses  because he is an expert trader. They don't to hide their losses for expert traders to have a good reputation because a lot of people already know that they are still an expert in trading no matter what. The only reason why they become an expert in the first place because they can minimize their losses and they can easily get back all of their losses, that is why they don't need to hide their loses.
Well we have our own ways to deal with our losses and if you dont like to expose it for other people to know then its your choice. I dont see anything wrong about that, its not necessary to include your losses if you our promoting your strategy or want others to be a trader. Expert traders are not different to us, though they hide their losses im sure you're not going to think they dont commit mistakes or had losses in their trading career unless you're naive and blinded by their words.

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November 22, 2019, 12:07:06 PM
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depends on the person itself, few people are just show their losses to everyone so people know that being expert traders require strong will and mental to face different situation and experience, being expert is not an easy journey so they know that and it's not an instant event

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November 22, 2019, 01:27:07 PM
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I feel they will hide their losses to keep their reputation to their followers or they will lose their influence of being successful trader which might affect their other source of income but the real truth is no one can be perfect trader.

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November 22, 2019, 04:35:26 PM
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depends on the person itself, few people are just show their losses to everyone so people know that being expert traders require strong will and mental to face different situation and experience, being expert is not an easy journey so they know that and it's not an instant event
Right, because if only show what is "good" in trading, people wouldn't know the risk behind it. Maybe they can be attracted, but if not know the risk in trading, they will get something bad from it. Like have very high expectation and then regret because not get it. So, although professional trader, they should tell people the truth, like  both when they profit or lose. Because professional trader sometime made mistake too.

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November 22, 2019, 04:40:48 PM
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I feel they will hide their losses to keep their reputation to their followers or they will lose their influence of being successful trader which might affect their other source of income but the real truth is no one can be perfect trader.

not sure about the theory, because when they already have a lot of followers at least they will share their strategy or another leak before trading, so that when he has shared something at the beginning and then loses, his followers will still know his mistake. but about maintaining reputation is indeed something that makes sense when they hide their losses and i'm sure there are other factors behind it all

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November 22, 2019, 04:53:54 PM
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I feel they will hide their losses to keep their reputation to their followers or they will lose their influence of being successful trader which might affect their other source of income but the real truth is no one can be perfect trader.

not sure about the theory, because when they already have a lot of followers at least they will share their strategy or another leak before trading, so that when he has shared something at the beginning and then loses, his followers will still know his mistake. but about maintaining reputation is indeed something that makes sense when they hide their losses and i'm sure there are other factors behind it all

In trading, we all know that we must need to earn more profit and avoid loss of income, but not all the time, we can win those trade because even in the profitable companies experience unexpectedly lose of their income. All of us can experience to lose money or coins. We cannot deny it, but by those lose, we can learn something that we can use in the future as an advantage to avoid losing but in focusing on earning. No one will be a millionaire or billionaire that he never experienced to regret their decisions and lose some money, and it takes time to learn and earn.

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November 22, 2019, 05:07:08 PM
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Any expert trader hiding there loses are traders that are seeking attention or trying to build a reputation in trading analysis but a genuine expert trader don't mind showing both profit and loss
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November 22, 2019, 05:34:52 PM
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I think it is pretty normal for every traders to have losses even in a small amount of money because they don't need to pretend to every people around them that he doesn't experience any losses  because he is an expert trader. They don't to hide their losses for expert traders to have a good reputation because a lot of people already know that they are still an expert in trading no matter what. The only reason why they become an expert in the first place because they can minimize their losses and they can easily get back all of their losses, that is why they don't need to hide their loses.
Yes that is true, it's a normal thing for anyone to experience loss when it comes to trading, especially cryptocurrencies, because it's not as easy as other types of trading (I do see people that claim it's easy though). But anyone hiding their losses is not an expert, How do you prove you're an expert then?

I am not sure, but anyone that is hiding their losses and showing wins just so that people will view him as an expert or whatsoever, to me that person is just being foolish. I do know some people that are really good in cryptocurrency that you will hardly see losses when you check their trading history, you're only going to see just a few losses and lots of winning. I have even seen some good traders in this forum that post their history and they are genuine and posts it just as it is.

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November 22, 2019, 06:49:30 PM
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I feel they will hide their losses to keep their reputation to their followers or they will lose their influence of being successful trader which might affect their other source of income but the real truth is no one can be perfect trader.

not sure about the theory, because when they already have a lot of followers at least they will share their strategy or another leak before trading, so that when he has shared something at the beginning and then loses, his followers will still know his mistake. but about maintaining reputation is indeed something that makes sense when they hide their losses and i'm sure there are other factors behind it all
People see someone as their leader or inspiration when they can constantly get succeed on their doings so its the reason why those expert traders hiding them just want to avoid bad influence among their followers.Not everyone will be like this there are some who express their pros and cons but most will only show their positive side and they will hide their negative side.

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November 22, 2019, 08:44:57 PM
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Check properly, most of all those self proclaimed expert are always trying to sell something. They are either selling a method, a guide or even an over hyped blue print. This is more of the reason why they are hiding their loses to their followers. It's a simple trick, they show their followers more of their winnings and give praises to the guide he is selling.
The followers salivate of wining like them, and buy the guide...

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November 22, 2019, 10:00:17 PM
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Why Im going to show my loses in trading it is private for me so that Ill need to hide on it must better to show is the profit to get in trading.
In trading on what we get mistake are need to be hide just our loses in trading or make it to sample that in a future we avoid on what loses we take in a past.

Ill think not only me experience on this kind of mistake in come of trading that we make loses in trading.

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November 22, 2019, 10:15:54 PM
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Why Im going to show my loses in trading it is private for me so that Ill need to hide on it must better to show is the profit to get in trading.
In trading on what we get mistake are need to be hide just our loses in trading or make it to sample that in a future we avoid on what loses we take in a past.

Ill think not only me experience on this kind of mistake in come of trading that we make loses in trading.


It is a lesson to learn, even expert did hide also for they take care of their reputation and as well as they don't get bothered for it. It was just past bad experience, everything turns good now. Yes, mistakes are often to happens at the start and we learn those mistakes which means that there is no need to remember it but rather to face the upcoming. 
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November 23, 2019, 08:58:04 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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November 23, 2019, 11:22:29 AM
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Before achieving success, you have to go through many failures including stupid mistakes, try to put your case into the problem, are you willing to say unprofitable transactions with people or you? trying to hide it. When you're an expert, you'll get so many supporters and followers, how can you bring out such negative sides? No one is a perfect trader, everyone has a mistake and everyone wants to hide it.

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Before achieving success, you have to go through many failures including stupid mistakes, try to put your case into the problem, are you willing to say unprofitable transactions with people or you? trying to hide it. When you're an expert, you'll get so many supporters and followers, how can you bring out such negative sides? No one is a perfect trader, everyone has a mistake and everyone wants to hide it.
For sure if we are earning from something so we will make mistakes and we will face losing as no one comes as a trader by birth but people do learn from mistakes and by making experiences so never be afraid of your mistakes just be brave and avoid mistakes if you got lose just take it an experience and get lesson from it. Better Share your loss with others and also tell them the reason so they will learn from it.
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November 25, 2019, 06:14:29 AM
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My opinion on this is certainly yes.  They conceal the loss positions that are constantly being rewarded, gaining popularity with successful transactions and satisfying themselves.  Although some of them share loss positions from time to time, we need to know that their loss positions are usually the lowest loss position in their portfolios.  They have to do this in order not to disparage their names, to diminish the trust of users and to satisfy themselves.
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November 25, 2019, 06:25:34 AM
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Before achieving success, you have to go through many failures including stupid mistakes, try to put your case into the problem, are you willing to say unprofitable transactions with people or you? trying to hide it. When you're an expert, you'll get so many supporters and followers, how can you bring out such negative sides? No one is a perfect trader, everyone has a mistake and everyone wants to hide it.

Every trader goes through ups and down and no one just money or say all trades  are not profitable as somewhere they do incurred losses as well . Only thing it depends some are ready to admit it and other might not be able to say it .

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November 25, 2019, 12:03:16 PM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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Those who are very successful in the trading field have a very bad trade history, believe me. because anyone who enters the crypto market always makes mistakes and they learn, try and try for a long time to become a professional trader.
An example in the reality I've ever seen is that of a cousin of mine. He enjoyed trading and put in hundreds of thousands of dollars to trade and his first 3 years were all failed. he keeps burning his account and trading like a gambler. so don't be too curious about this, it's always the truth that expert traders want to hide.


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November 25, 2019, 05:51:24 PM
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we can not only make winning trading transactions every so often we lose even there is never 100%, traders who have some reputation to defend who write in newspapers, social networks or offer their advice in trading tend to advertise only their successes and i do not say that they hide their losses but minimize or omit them...
To omit or to minimize their losses it is the same as hiding them, I know that some traders have a reputation to defend but getting losses is not a justification for it, if anything they could use their losses as an example of what they thought the market will do and explain their position and then show what the market actually did and show the evidence that pointed towards that movement, such a thing will be a great show of honesty and their readers will learn a lot from this experience.

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November 25, 2019, 08:56:50 PM
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Why Im going to show my loses in trading it is private for me so that Ill need to hide on it must better to show is the profit to get in trading.
In trading on what we get mistake are need to be hide just our loses in trading or make it to sample that in a future we avoid on what loses we take in a past.

Ill think not only me experience on this kind of mistake in come of trading that we make loses in trading.


It is a lesson to learn, even expert did hide also for they take care of their reputation and as well as they don't get bothered for it. It was just past bad experience, everything turns good now. Yes, mistakes are often to happens at the start and we learn those mistakes which means that there is no need to remember it but rather to face the upcoming. 
Yes lesson learn on what mistake we have in a past about loses in trading. Newbie and expert they do it something like this hiding some loses, So we need to improve in a future our trading strategy so that we can aware on what mistake do us in the past or we need to learn more there are some people in here can help us also to share on what the experience they have.
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November 25, 2019, 09:52:15 PM
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If the expert traders show what they've profited then it shows them as a master, if the loss is being shown to the outer world he will be the same as you and me who have failed lots and lots of times. Every expert arise out of learning from various experiences, the dedication is a must. Many traders go away from trading in between due to lack of funds, so only the person with luck and huge amounts to spare can turn to be an expert.

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November 26, 2019, 03:53:04 PM
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If the expert traders show what they've profited then it shows them as a master, if the loss is being shown to the outer world he will be the same as you and me who have failed lots and lots of times. Every expert arise out of learning from various experiences, the dedication is a must. Many traders go away from trading in between due to lack of funds, so only the person with luck and huge amounts to spare can turn to be an expert.

Indeed, trading is really one of the toughest job, although I am enjoying it, most of the time I felt alone, depressed, stressed especially if I can't predict right the market behavior,  I was just thinking that maybe I am too aggressiveness in trading that I want to learn in just short expand of time, that I don't expert much effort in checking out the good project, so little by little I am overcoming it, still not expert but I will get there someday, I don't rush myself now.

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November 26, 2019, 04:23:21 PM
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not all expert traders hide their losses. there are some who try to share because it is for their experience. but some are hiding. depends on the behavior of the expert trader

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November 26, 2019, 11:58:31 PM
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not all expert traders hide their losses. there are some who try to share because it is for their experience. but some are hiding. depends on the behavior of the expert trader
Every successful business must accept debt at some point. With that been said, I don't see any reason why any expert hide his lost but I think you misunderstood the fact the crypto expert traders are quick to accept fate when they make lost and in terms of learning from their mistakes.

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November 27, 2019, 03:29:24 AM
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Your post make me laugh so far I only knew few people with great honest to show their loss ( fail ) with positive thinking that next trade will be better. I only get one lesson so far we should not waste our timw about how much people loss but how they can win? important ask for better trading activity. So if someone up load their winning just ask their strategy if post fail give them suggest to keep going.

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November 27, 2019, 03:43:46 AM
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We should ask a dozen top traders to just do a straight up Copy & Paste the numbers from their completed trades and send them right on over to us in a PDF or something. I'd like to see. We can all analyze their moves. If we asked a dozen of them, maybe 1 will go along with it and share his or her numbers with Absolutely no altering.

Then we would have a topic to seriously discuss.

This is for real. For sure we have at least a dozen traders that are members here, who are rockin it. We have a boatload of admitted losers and that's actually huge asset for any trading forum. They are just as much a part of any market as somebody who makes huge gains.

Yeah but we need to see it first....
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November 27, 2019, 09:18:20 AM
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I believe we all did that, prestige is the reason. That's their decision what can we do about it? beside that as long they never give up to keep trying I like that. I hope fail trader can share their experience because that we want, learn something not watch something. Ask them how they fill and give advice to take a rest and try again.

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November 27, 2019, 11:07:45 AM
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lot of tipsters and course sellers in online do this hide there losses and show wins , some even edit and show , obviously they show so much profit which is fake and to attract newbies and many traders to take there services , i have not seen any genuine traders share there profit and lose statement
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November 27, 2019, 03:54:53 PM
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not all expert traders hide their losses. there are some who try to share because it is for their experience. but some are hiding. depends on the behavior of the expert trader
That’s good for those who don’t hide as there is no reason to hide your lose as you know that loses and profit are part of life. We should share bravely with others and tell them the reasons that can make them suffer lose. We are in modern era so as we lose money we can sure it gain more and its not a big deal so sharing your experience will increase your own profit.

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November 27, 2019, 04:02:01 PM
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not all expert traders hide their losses. there are some who try to share because it is for their experience. but some are hiding. depends on the behavior of the expert trader
That’s good for those who don’t hide as there is no reason to hide your lose as you know that loses and profit are part of life. We should share bravely with others and tell them the reasons that can make them suffer lose. We are in modern era so as we lose money we can sure it gain more and its not a big deal so sharing your experience will increase your own profit.

Not all yes it depends on the trader if he wanted to be true to his supporters and to make transparency that even experts in trading are encountering losses too that  you just need something that will compensate that losses, just like trading different kinds of coins/tokens or other strategies. If they will show this up, it will make more people encourage not to give up in trading.
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November 27, 2019, 04:57:00 PM
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not all expert traders hide their losses. there are some who try to share because it is for their experience. but some are hiding. depends on the behavior of the expert trader
That’s good for those who don’t hide as there is no reason to hide your lose as you know that loses and profit are part of life. We should share bravely with others and tell them the reasons that can make them suffer lose. We are in modern era so as we lose money we can sure it gain more and its not a big deal so sharing your experience will increase your own profit.

Not all yes it depends on the trader if he wanted to be true to his supporters and to make transparency that even experts in trading are encountering losses too that  you just need something that will compensate that losses, just like trading different kinds of coins/tokens or other strategies. If they will show this up, it will make more people encourage not to give up in trading.
In other side, actually risk in trading must showed too. I mean if expert trader who have a lot of followers only show his profit, maybe that followers will think trading is easy way to get money. And then when they try it by themself, they face experience that really different from who they follow did.

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November 27, 2019, 05:50:07 PM
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of course they show thier wins becauase they are showing that they are successful  . who would like to show your huge losses in the public ?  but i have read some traders journal and they usually explain how they reach thier success . they also started small and faced some failures  .  hiding one's losses also mean that they are shy  . they shy to think that they loose alot of doing trade's  . im okay with that as long as they are honest enough to show thier exact winning  .
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I beleive they are covering some of their losses but that is bad. Maybe they are afraid for their reputation but on.that way they represent the wrong picture for amateur traders that crypto trading is only profit or maybe just a smaller loss. That is why many think trading is fast and easy money and we are all.aware that is not true.

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In other side, actually risk in trading must showed too. I mean if expert trader who have a lot of followers only show his profit, maybe that followers will think trading is easy way to get money. And then when they try it by themself, they face experience that really different from who they follow did.
This is something that is missing from almost any tutorial that you see in YouTube or the comments of all the popular social networks, traders tell you how much money they made, when they entered the market and when they got out of the market but they do not tell you how much risk they took in order to make those profits, and a perfect example of this is trading with leverage, those trading with huge leverage can produce great profits in a short amount of time but they do not tell you the immense risk that they are taking with each trade and that no newbie can handle effectively.

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November 30, 2019, 05:04:15 PM
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I beleive they are covering some of their losses but that is bad. Maybe they are afraid for their reputation but on.that way they represent the wrong picture for amateur traders that crypto trading is only profit or maybe just a smaller loss. That is why many think trading is fast and easy money and we are all.aware that is not true.
All of us had already experience loses in our daily trade, and it affects our financial income. Even the most popular and wealthy trader also experience loss of profit, and that was not good. Still, every business and transaction we learn to improve our daily or long term transaction. Every wealthy trader is not started being successful at; first, they learn from their experience, and they succeeded.

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November 30, 2019, 06:11:58 PM
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In other side, actually risk in trading must showed too. I mean if expert trader who have a lot of followers only show his profit, maybe that followers will think trading is easy way to get money. And then when they try it by themself, they face experience that really different from who they follow did.
This is something that is missing from almost any tutorial that you see in YouTube or the comments of all the popular social networks, traders tell you how much money they made, when they entered the market and when they got out of the market but they do not tell you how much risk they took in order to make those profits, and a perfect example of this is trading with leverage, those trading with huge leverage can produce great profits in a short amount of time but they do not tell you the immense risk that they are taking with each trade and that no newbie can handle effectively.
Greediness. This what people nowadays have, they search for "how to make money online", instead of searching "how to risk money online". Whenever I have my free time, I browse on different social media such as facebook and youtube, there is a lot of advertisement in those platform, one of those are trading. If you get into facebook/youtube video there will be ads to play. I noticed a bunch of one sided ads with various trading platform that is totally there just for the money. They show high returns from the capital which is the bright side of trading, which I really really get embarassed of (If you're a trader, I know you know the feeling).We came for the money, yes, but it doesn't stop with that. Trading will be effective if we could just see what it is really about.

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December 05, 2019, 03:57:14 PM
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In other side, actually risk in trading must showed too. I mean if expert trader who have a lot of followers only show his profit, maybe that followers will think trading is easy way to get money. And then when they try it by themself, they face experience that really different from who they follow did.
This is something that is missing from almost any tutorial that you see in YouTube or the comments of all the popular social networks, traders tell you how much money they made, when they entered the market and when they got out of the market but they do not tell you how much risk they took in order to make those profits, and a perfect example of this is trading with leverage, those trading with huge leverage can produce great profits in a short amount of time but they do not tell you the immense risk that they are taking with each trade and that no newbie can handle effectively.
Greediness. This what people nowadays have, they search for "how to make money online", instead of searching "how to risk money online". Whenever I have my free time, I browse on different social media such as facebook and youtube, there is a lot of advertisement in those platform, one of those are trading. If you get into facebook/youtube video there will be ads to play. I noticed a bunch of one sided ads with various trading platform that is totally there just for the money. They show high returns from the capital which is the bright side of trading, which I really really get embarassed of (If you're a trader, I know you know the feeling).We came for the money, yes, but it doesn't stop with that. Trading will be effective if we could just see what it is really about.
In my opinion I think this also happens because people focus too much on their goal and not in the process, whenever I make a trade regardless of the result that I get I always analyze it in see if I followed my trading strategy, if I did regardless of whether or not I earned money I'm happy about it because I stuck to the process that I know in the long term will give me profits, but if I did not follow my trading strategy then I will try to understand why that happened and what I can do to correct that regardless of the result that I got.

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December 09, 2019, 03:27:06 AM
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How do you toggle a poll into this topic? We needed a poll but now it is too many pages.

It is not really do they hide their losses, it is more like do they just completely hide themselves entirely and act like secret agents with top secret clearance, or.... are they more human-like?

Are top traders like sharks with no life in them at all? All they do is gobble up bitcoins and can never get enough? Or are these real living productive people, or just are they on a totally different wave length?
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I remember the advice of Peter Lynch - "In this business, if you're good, you're right six times out of ten. You're never going to be right nine times out of ten." In fact, even if they are the best experts, they still have a time of loss. But the common nature of our people is to like to talk about victories.

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I beleive they are covering some of their losses but that is bad. Maybe they are afraid for their reputation but on.that way they represent the wrong picture for amateur traders that crypto trading is only profit or maybe just a smaller loss. That is why many think trading is fast and easy money and we are all.aware that is not true.
reputation for experienced traders is very valuable, I think all traders have experienced losses. it's just true that it is covered because if it gets opened to the public it might make doubt that novice traders will start trading for the first time. so this is like a strengthening strategy and motivation for other traders

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December 10, 2019, 05:34:42 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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There was a great market speculator, he became poor and rich 5 times respectively, everything he did was recorded in his books, his name was Jesse Livermore, he was not ashamed to show his losses.

I think that every trader should take the losses as learning and not as a reason for shame, some may not have matured that knowledge, but in commerce it is common to win and lose, but when in reality you learn at least the losses begin to stop.

His advice in the books, are fully applicable to the Bitcoin and Crypto market.

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Yes, I think so Expert traders always keep their losses in secret. But I don't know why. I asked a lot of Experts Traders. But they all ignored my words. It is only heard how much profit Expert traders made, but it never says how much was lost. Have they ever lost at all in trading?

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I think expert traders hide they are lost. Because they are so burdensome and good businessmen. If they go after the vaccine, they hide it because when it comes to success, everyone exposes it and even the expert traders try to overcome it. They do not stay in the losers. If not for one, Areta hides the lost of expert traders because they haven't picked it up.

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December 10, 2019, 01:06:40 PM
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I beleive they are covering some of their losses but that is bad. Maybe they are afraid for their reputation but on.that way they represent the wrong picture for amateur traders that crypto trading is only profit or maybe just a smaller loss. That is why many think trading is fast and easy money and we are all.aware that is not true.
reputation for experienced traders is very valuable, I think all traders have experienced losses. it's just true that it is covered because if it gets opened to the public it might make doubt that novice traders will start trading for the first time. so this is like a strengthening strategy and motivation for other traders
their loss history could be motivation for beginner. they will thinking its possible for them to be good traders, from expert trading history they will thinking everyone could suffered loss, no one could not avoid it. this is will be good thinking and they will have new spirit again.
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I have found this site, where all trades can be transparent, that means the expert trader can not hide fail trades. Highwater trading (https://highwater.trading) offers good tool for users and traders, so it is kind of a social trading platform, where customers have access to all crypto assets, and traders can only build the portfolios.
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I beleive they are covering some of their losses but that is bad. Maybe they are afraid for their reputation but on.that way they represent the wrong picture for amateur traders that crypto trading is only profit or maybe just a smaller loss. That is why many think trading is fast and easy money and we are all.aware that is not true.
reputation for experienced traders is very valuable, I think all traders have experienced losses. it's just true that it is covered because if it gets opened to the public it might make doubt that novice traders will start trading for the first time. so this is like a strengthening strategy and motivation for other traders
I think more than hiding losses .. reputed, experienced and more importantly successful traders always analyse their mistakes and focus on not repeating them in future. It is okay to make bad trades but its important to learn from each trade and that's where good traders are differentiated from bad/inexperienced traders.

As long as we learn from our mistakes we will improve in trading and on top of that I will suggest that once we start learning from others mistake then we will the best traders because all the great investors/traders have learned from others mistakes and that saves a lot of time and potential loss but that requires some great knowledge and market awareness.
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We live in a world where perfection is expected from people in lofty positions and that applies to every aspect of life, we require our celebrity musicians to be perfect in music, we expect our actors and actresses top be able to act without destroying their lines, same applies to our top traders, we expect them to be perfect in trading and always make the right decisions, and if we were ever to find out that they make losses once in a while too, we wouldn't listen to anything they have to say and our respect for them would be gone, so ofcourse, they hide their losses. Ignorance is bliss.
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I remember the advice of Peter Lynch - "In this business, if you're good, you're right six times out of ten. You're never going to be right nine times out of ten." In fact, even if they are the best experts, they still have a time of loss. But the common nature of our people is to like to talk about victories.
And when we are in starting times of trading I will say even 5 times out of 10 will be a good number. The best traders in the market do not exactly hide their losses but they are least bothered by the profits and losses initially, they are more focused on whether they made a right or wrong decision because at the end of the day you might win a bet on 10% but that does not means it was a good bet, similarly your trades must value at least.

Trading and gambling have a lot of similarities and an offensive gambler would never be a successful trader and someone who does arbitrage gambling will always be more wise and chances are he will be more successful in trading too.
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In the world of trading, especially cryptocurrency, losses are common. because it is an unavoidable risk.. be it a big loss or a small loss. But the difference is how they reduce the risk of loss. there are some people who just want to share in their good experiences by not telling stupid things they have ever done. maybe the intention is to maintain integrity as an expert trader or a professional trader. but actually experience is the best teacher that is better to share as well so that everyone does not make the same mistakes I guess.
Good thing when you do read up past experiences with other people is that you would really be aware on the possible things that you might encountered along the way,.
which is more better rather than having zero knowledge at all.

Getting experiences from others isn't that necessary though but its much better to look it up so that you are already somewhat aware and be prepared to possible losses.
Yes, its inevitable but we can really less it up basing on our experience.

Agree with you, let's just focus on our own losses, let's just be careful when trusting people, there are really traders who are suffering losses too, and for sure they will not show it in public and they are not required or we cannot force them to do it, unless he/she your friend that he can trust most too. So, the thing is, we should not just rely on their signals, we should do our part and analyze the price action of each coins/tokens that we wanted to trade at.




well, that is why the experience we have experienced in ourselves is the best teacher so we will learn how to react to it. it will make us careful when making decisions, especially when you trading and prices go down. because someone could be said expert traders/pro are relative I guess. depending on which side they judge.

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December 13, 2019, 04:04:26 PM
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I think expert traders hide they are lost. Because they are so burdensome and good businessmen. If they go after the vaccine, they hide it because when it comes to success, everyone exposes it and even the expert traders try to overcome it. They do not stay in the losers. If not for one, Areta hides the lost of expert traders because they haven't picked it up.
actually they have defeated, but the reason why they hide it is that many people are not so interested in other people's failures. in addition, some people are only interested in seeing profits, not losses. if they share the losses they get, we will definitely think that this is a hard road. therefore, they only show their success as motivation for new entrepreneurs.

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I think there 2 types of expert traders. First type, always show winning trade and never talk about their lose. This type, sometime they are not real expert but just want to show off and get more fame for their personal purpose. Second type, the real expert and most of them did not show off and always analyze for everyone why they are losing.


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Yes, I think so Expert traders always keep their losses in secret. But I don't know why. I asked a lot of Experts Traders. But they all ignored my words. It is only heard how much profit Expert traders made, but it never says how much was lost. Have they ever lost at all in trading?

I agree with you that specialist traders always keep their losses secret because they are not sitting down when they are hurt and they are frustrated and they have to do it again and again there is something wrong They continue their trade.

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December 14, 2019, 09:19:48 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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We all know that losing is inevitable in trading so i think that expert traders won't hide their loss. But they will show how they gain profit again after their loss.
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December 14, 2019, 10:34:34 AM
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I notice that some experts doing online trading journals just show you all their wins, and they hide their loses and anything stupid they did to lose money.  What traders out there sharing their daily trades are The Real McCoy?  I am sure that ever super traders make super stupid mistakes, then they just do not want people to think they did anything stupid. Where are their big loses at? Why do they only show their wins?


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The expert traders are said expert because they don't have fear of loosing and they embrace losses with equal happiness as a win as they get a chance to learn from their mistakes and try not to repeat those in the future whereas the novice traders are quiet the opposite as they always show their wins to make them proud on the surface but inside they are afraid of loosing.

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January 16, 2020, 12:42:20 AM
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Trading means trying to get money from other people's pockets, while they are also trying to take your money - this explains why the financial market is such a fierce business environment. The first winner is brokers because they take money from both winners and losers.
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January 16, 2020, 01:01:10 AM
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I think there 2 types of expert traders. First type, always show winning trade and never talk about their lose. This type, sometime they are not real expert but just want to show off and get more fame for their personal purpose. Second type, the real expert and most of them did not show off and always analyze for everyone why they are losing.
We cannot consider it as expert if he only showing his winning trade, professionals are also experiencing loss in the market because we should remember that losses are inevitable but those professional are only have small losses because of their risk and management. Not all times that our biased will happen, there are times that our bias can be againsts us.
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January 20, 2020, 04:12:36 PM
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Expert traders are icons of platform where they checked and followers follow their strategies and guidelines.If they show huge losses to public they are no more expert traders and its true they hide actual losses just show normal loses.

Loss is also part of trading there in any trader who always win,But the expert traders always minimize the losses by using tools like stop loss limit and again come with new strategies to recover the losses.

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