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October 31, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
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There are already mechanisms in place to prevent them from nosing into our transactions, besides, it's not something they're currently doing?
This has nothing to do with Bitcoin, this is already a trend of the countries themselves, justifying it as a national security measure.

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October 31, 2019, 05:09:19 PM
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However, what remains clear is that we have an era of total surveillance ahead of us, and bitcoin is one of many technologies which empower it.

Bitcoin allows some ways of achieving pretty good privacy - currently we have mixers, in the future there will be Lightning Network, coinjoin, schnorr signatures and other options. Users also have to take steps to protect their privacy by following some rules - don't reuse addresses, be careful with what inputs you include, don't post your addresses on social networks, etc. It's seriously wrong to portray Bitcoin as a surveillance tool.

To be fair it's not so hard to track bitcoin payments and I believe during massive steals people were using all of the consideration which you stated but seems as time goes, it becomes more and more easier to track and catch your victims which uses bitcoin.
For privacy, there is better altcoin and it's Monero to my mind.
Well, bitcoin may increase surveillance of payments cause, I don't remember but one country plans to take rule that bitcoin transactions higher than 1K usd or something similar must be declared. It was posted on btctalk, can't remember the exact topic/post.

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October 31, 2019, 05:40:43 PM
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It is very possible that bitcoin will lead to an increase in surveillance of payments and transactions. Where cash is being systematically phased out by governments, what will take its place, naturally, is an electronic form of cash which is more readily traceable. The powers that be desire the ability to aggregate large amounts of data and form predictions of behavior based on spending patterns.

Money, as a language, is a very telling indicator of where people are placing their intention and their purchasing power. The political establishment will do whatever it can to ensure that users of electronic currency (and bitcoin) are tracked, controlled, and if need be, chipped.

Make no mistake about it, if the current political trajectory does not change, the political establishment will have their way and the surveillance of payments will be here very shortly. For those who do not comply or submit to authority, their representation on this electronic network will be switched off like a light switch.

Although the nuances remain undetermined, what is clear is that bitcoin empowers cashlessness. It also risks being co-opted by large mining operations. Central banks are looking at issuing their own crypto-style currency, but who will choose these over the original implementation of 2009?

There are many known unknowns in the bitcoin industry. However, what remains clear is that we have an era of total surveillance ahead of us, and bitcoin is one of many technologies which empower it.
IMO this view largely overestimates the power of the governments over Bitcoin. Yes, transactions are public, so while transactions that go through bank accounts are usually only available to specific users and the bank itself, whereas a Bitcoin transaction is available to anyone who wished to see it, basically. However, while you cannot have a bank account without verifying your ID, you can have as many Bitcoin addresses as you wish without disclosing any of your personal data. And while the government can push to require KYC where Bitcoin is used, there'll always be an option to remain hidden by using another wallet.

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