Comparing the biggest and most expensive campaigns: Chipmixer - Cryptotalk/Yobit

[TryNinja]

That forum name was icoforums.net but that was a very small project as compare to crytotalk funded by yobit.net.

Even if they do not start a new competition, the posting on that forum will never stop as they are still paying 1000 satoshi to each and every single post and comment.

Unless they stop. That's the point. ICOForums had traffic while people were getting paid for that. When that was over, the forum died.

Spammers will only stay in CryptoTalk until they end the 1000 sat/post campaign (if they do).

[bitmover]

Chipmixer needs investors as when you mix the coins, you pay the fee and spammers will never invest. 

I think you are a bit confused.
Mixing coins is not an investment, but a service you pay for. Nobody invests in chipmixer. People pay for a service (mixing coins)

Which service are you talking about ? They are not promoting Yobit directly, they are promoting their forum , Cryptotalk and till date they have managed to get the traffic and focus, although by the wrong spamming way.

Both are connected, yobit and cryptotalk. Cryptotalk reputation is binded to yobit because they are part of the same company.
They are paying for the traffic, and this what we are talking about here. Will it survive without community support?

The only comparison between ChipMixer and cyptotalk is in the amount of BTC which are paid on a weekly/monthly basis if OP is calculated that correctly.

That's the idea. As both are very expensive and big (lots of members involved, even in chipmixer) , I was comparing community sentiment about them

[virasog]

Chipmixer needs investors as when you mix the coins, you pay the fee and spammers will never invest.  

I think you are a bit confused.
Mixing coins is not an investment, but a service you pay for. Nobody invests in chipmixer. People pay for a service (mixing coins)

I was not confused but wrongly used the word "Investment" instead of "fee for using the service" .  My Mistake.
Just thinking on which of the two have more funds to invest. Chipmixer source of income is the fee only which they get from their users while cryptotalk has the whole Yobit exchange with them for funding.

[LTU_btc]

Interesting comparison, it's obvious that Chipmixer, Cryptotalk and their campaigns is completely opposite business models.
But I'm wondering what is the goal of this campaign and Cryptotalk forum. It's obvious that it costs a lot for Yobit. But what returns they are planning to get from campaign. I doubt that they are making money from Cryptotalk forum, I don't even know, do they have paid ads on it or not. Also, there is no direct promotion of Yobit on this forum. And it's obvious that it will turn into ghost forum immediately after they will stop paying for posts there. I really don't understand their goal with this campaign.
But maybe when Cryptotalk will be shown high in Google search results, Yobit will use it to promote their exchanges and things like pump and dump schemes, IEO's and othervshady stuff...

[bitmover]

Chipmixer source of income is the fee only which they get from their users while cryptotalk has the whole Yobit exchange with them for funding.

The most incredible is that they charge no fees. They live on donations.

https://chipmixer.com/faq
What fee do you take?

We use Pay what you want as pricing strategy. It mean you set how much value our service is to you.

You may split chips into size you wish to donate.

[AverageGlabella]

Interesting comparison, it's obvious that Chipmixer, Cryptotalk and their campaigns is completely opposite business models.
But I'm wondering what is the goal of this campaign and Cryptotalk forum. It's obvious that it costs a lot for Yobit. But what returns they are planning to get from campaign. I doubt that they are making money from Cryptotalk forum, I don't even know, do they have paid ads on it or not. Also, there is no direct promotion of Yobit on this forum. And it's obvious that it will turn into ghost forum immediately after they will stop paying for posts there. I really don't understand their goal with this campaign.
But maybe when Cryptotalk will be shown high in Google search results, Yobit will use it to promote their exchanges and things like pump and dump schemes, IEO's and othervshady stuff...

If they were to become a competitor to Bitcointalk then they could probably sell advertisements on their site just like this one does and earn a substantial amount of money back but there are also other benefits from moderating their own forum and thats biased opinions about their exchange. They could change their moderation policies in a number of years and destroy freedom of speech. I don't think they will be using the forum just for a way to communicate amount cryptocurrencies and theres a motive in paying this much for a forum.

[Joel_Jantsen]

If they were to become a competitor to Bitcointalk then they could probably sell advertisements on their site just like this one does and earn a substantial amount of money back but there are also other benefits from moderating their own forum and thats biased opinions about their exchange. They could change their moderation policies in a number of years and destroy freedom of speech. I don't think they will be using the forum just for a way to communicate amount cryptocurrencies and theres a motive in paying this much for a forum.

I have to disagree there. I mean why would a company like YoBit which makes huge profits through the exchange want to rely on advertising as their primary source of profit? They obviously are looking at the bigger picture and that doesn't sound very ethical. For instance, they can use the massive traffic to spread FUD, pump and dump coins which they do now anyway but they will have a much bigger audience to do so.

[akamit]

The only difference I see in Cryptotalk campaign if compare with other campaigns is that there is no participant selection process beforehand. Direct enrollments are the only reason for such massive spams imo and that's the reason Yahoo got in to cut it down, he probably kicked out 300+ so far (didn't count myself). When Yobit hired Yahoo I was a little bit shocked, they got the lesson from the ban and they want to follow the rule, that is a good thing. I was a bit more shocked when they cut the post limit to half, that's another good thing. The thing is they are changing, slowly but they are changing.

If they continue their Cryptotalk campaign then they may change a lot of things in the future and maybe Yahoo is suggesting to them the right things. They are spending a good amount per week and if they utilize it the right way then the campaign will be another good one. It is not necessary to pay the same as Chipmixer, it could be half. And most importantly I prefer a selection process.

If Yobit's intention is to beat Bitcointalk down by building an alternative (Cryptotalk) then they are 100% wrong, even a million BTC budget can't help out. It's because Bitcointalk is a place where there is Freedom of Speech, we can say anything about BTCT, we can say anything about any project, we can even say anything to Thermos. But if anyone writes against Yobit in Cryptotalk it will definitely get deleted, so there is no Freedom of Speech. The only way Cryptotalk can survive is by paying 1k sats per post to all its members forever, the day they stop paying the forum will be dead.

Most probably Yobit created that forum for their own promotional thingy so that they can promote anything freely. The reason is they don't have any fans here and they can't promote anything here.

Now wondering if Yobit kicks me out or not from the campaign for this fu**ing freedom of speech thingy. Did I write anything wrong?

[yahoo62278]

The only difference I see in Cryptotalk campaign if compare with other campaigns is that there is no participant selection process beforehand. Direct enrollments are the only reason for such massive spams imo and that's the reason Yahoo got in to cut it down, he probably kicked out 300+ so far (didn't count myself). When Yobit hired Yahoo I was a little bit shocked, they got the lesson from the ban and they want to follow the rule, that is a good thing. I was a bit more shocked when they cut the post limit to half, that's another good thing. The thing is they are changing, slowly but they are changing.

If they continue their Cryptotalk campaign then they may change a lot of things in the future and maybe Yahoo is suggesting to them the right things. They are spending a good amount per week and if they utilize it the right way then the campaign will be another good one. It is not necessary to pay the same as Chipmixer, it could be half. And most importantly I prefer a selection process.

If Yobit's intention is to beat Bitcointalk down by building an alternative (Cryptotalk) then they are 100% wrong, even a million BTC budget can't help out. It's because Bitcointalk is a place where there is Freedom of Speech, we can say anything about BTCT, we can say anything about any project, we can even say anything to Thermos. But if anyone writes against Yobit in Cryptotalk it will definitely get deleted, so there is no Freedom of Speech. The only way Cryptotalk can survive is by paying 1k sats per post to all its members forever, the day they stop paying the forum will be dead.

Most probably Yobit created that forum for their own promotional thingy so that they can promote anything freely. The reason is they don't have any fans here and they can't promote anything here.

Now wondering if Yobit kicks me out or not from the campaign for this fu**ing freedom of speech thingy. Did I write anything wrong?

If I was to kick you out it wouldn't be for this post at all. You would have to break the rules of the campaign, the rules of the forum, or just be a pain in the ass to deal with.

[Ucy]

The only difference I see in Cryptotalk campaign if compare with other campaigns is that there is no participant selection process beforehand. Direct enrollments are the only reason for such massive spams imo and that's the reason Yahoo got in to cut it down, he probably kicked out 300+ so far (didn't count myself). When Yobit hired Yahoo I was a little bit shocked, they got the lesson from the ban and they want to follow the rule, that is a good thing. I was a bit more shocked when they cut the post limit to half, that's another good thing. The thing is they are changing, slowly but they are changing.

If they continue their Cryptotalk campaign then they may change a lot of things in the future and maybe Yahoo is suggesting to them the right things. They are spending a good amount per week and if they utilize it the right way then the campaign will be another good one. It is not necessary to pay the same as Chipmixer, it could be half. And most importantly I prefer a selection process.

If Yobit's intention is to beat Bitcointalk down by building an alternative (Cryptotalk) then they are 100% wrong, even a million BTC budget can't help out. It's because Bitcointalk is a place where there is Freedom of Speech, we can say anything about BTCT, we can say anything about any project, we can even say anything to Thermos. But if anyone writes against Yobit in Cryptotalk it will definitely get deleted, so there is no Freedom of Speech. The only way Cryptotalk can survive is by paying 1k sats per post to all its members forever, the day they stop paying the forum will be dead.

Most probably Yobit created that forum for their own promotional thingy so that they can promote anything freely. The reason is they don't have any fans here and they can't promote anything here.

Now wondering if Yobit kicks me out or not from the campaign for this fu**ing freedom of speech thingy. Did I write anything wrong?

I think the word "spam" should be well defined. That will really help.

A member of this forum sent me message to join the cryptotalk campaign while I was in another campaign. I was surprised to be  banned too my friend.
Well, I blamed myself for not ignoring the message.

[pooya87]

Interested to see what the end game is here. If nothing else I've never seen an approach quite like it before.

I knew a forum who did this in the past, and they died a few weeks later. I don't think this will end differently.

Im aware with that forum you've been talking but i totally forgot the name.We cant say it would end up the same yet if they do decide to
spend some btc for promotions then no doubt this forum will live for a while.

There were some talks that they might launch an another shitpost competition into that forum and no surprise that it would be infested again by those abusers.

That forum name was icoforums.net but that was a very small project as compare to crytotalk funded by yobit.net.

Even if they do not start a new competition, the posting on that forum will never stop as they are still paying 1000 satoshi to each and every single post and comment.

there has been lots of different forums over the years that were created in a similar fashion to "compete" with bitcointalk and gain some popularity. most of them run default "get paid to post" campaigns by the forum itself and pay little amounts to spammers.
none of them succeed in the long run though specially since they start by encouraging spam because the only attracts spammers while pushing away anybody else.

i was even a part of one of them back in 2015 called bitbiz. it no longer is a forum today!!!
there are others like cryptocointalk, altcointalk,... and a lot more.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

I think it's an insult comparing the two campaign but I get what you're trying to achieve. Chipmixer is 2yrs+ older than cryptotalk, chipmixer (to some extent) is more than just your average signature campaign, it's like a criteria used to judge individual contribution to the forum, the level of your post quality, reputation etc. Just been considered as a candidate for a slot on the campaign is already an achievement, since it shows you're doing something right. For those who love challenge and competition, they'll prefer chipmixer just because of the criteria requirements.

Now to cryptotalk, without @Yahoo's intervention the campaign won't had lasted as it has done, A major reason the campaign has some decent quality participants is due to the fact of @Yahoo's involvement in the campaign. An indication that points toward a project is benefiting from the forum, is the periods at which they're willing to continue advertising on the forum. Chipmixer has done that for 2yrs plus so lets see how far cryptotalk goes before we can start comparing the two campaign and their different mode of advertisment.

PS: The community is guilty of giving cryptotalk more publicity since it can't stop discussing about them, we should focus this energy on promoting other signature campaigns.

[hatshepsut93]

There's no doubt that experienced forum users despise YoBit and Cryptotalk, but is this also the case for more casual users? It might be the case that people who themselves make low quality posts are not viewing other low-quality posts as bad, and thus don't see problems with Cryptotalk and its signature campaign. If a good percentage of views gets converted into clicks, then YoBit has achieved their goal, even if the hardcore bitcointalk community now hates them even more.

[Findingnemo]

That forum name was icoforums.net but that was a very small project as compare to crytotalk funded by yobit.net.

Even if they do not start a new competition, the posting on that forum will never stop as they are still paying 1000 satoshi to each and every single post and comment.

IMO,ICOforum spend few thousands of ethereum for four weeks or something so its really not a small budget though,but they managed in campaigns and competitions in wrong way so people steal and abused the contest made the owner to go bankrupt I guess.

Yobit is not like that,they were aware of it and they are not spending money they are just investing to bring more money to their forum via bounties and ads but as far as now the 1k sats per posts keep their forum alive.

[coupable]

The comparison between ChipMixer and CryptoTalk , as the two highest rate sig campaigns , is no longer evident.
Cryptotalk reduced the daily quota for everyday post from 20 to 10 then to 5 .  And in just one week, Hhampuz has started 3 campaigns with higher rate than CryptoTalk.
In my opinion, all of the current/past cmpaigns can be compared to ChipMixer campaign , at all levels.

[dodgrad]

From the information provided on the Alexa rank website, Cryptotalk.org from September 29 to the present day from position 703676 climbed to position number 91929. It looks like thanks to this campaign CryptoTalk jumped over almost 600,000 other websites! It is said that when it comes to marketing - "it is no matter what they say, it is important that they say" and here the way Yobit / CryptoTalk.org chose for advert works for now.