Electric Cars and The Future

[semobo]

I found and read this article https://www.energysage.com/electric-vehicles/buyers-guide/top-ev-companies/. this article writes about the list of car companies that are developing electric cars.

I want to ask you, do you think that electric cars are useful for the future and the survival of humanity on earth?


nb; if there is a topic that is the same as this, then I will immediately delete this topic, thank you

We are near have shortages of electricity and how can electric cars help save the future?

No,we are in shortage of electricity,it is the only source available in abundance for now but we are not using it yet due to its expensiveness and maintenance cost but once we adopt to solar powered electricity then we are not going to have hard time to pay electricity fee.But other hand gasoline will lose its place by 2030 or near to that and there will be huge change in the world economical conditions.

So solar power is the answer?what if rainy season when sun don't even seen for weeks?what will happen to solar panel? Where do people take their electricity? Sorry but these are important questions that must be answered as solar power are very in demand these days but can't be ready for the future

If we are in heavy rainy seasons then hydro turbines will plays the role of sun,but the real fact is we are not going to see much of rain in the future which will be the beginning of human extinction so we will have the sun for sure at least on most part of the world.

[zelikman]

I'm not quite sure it's electric cars that are useful to the world. But electric transport quadcopters may in the future be used on a daily basis

[peter0425]

I found and read this article https://www.energysage.com/electric-vehicles/buyers-guide/top-ev-companies/. this article writes about the list of car companies that are developing electric cars.

I want to ask you, do you think that electric cars are useful for the future and the survival of humanity on earth?


nb; if there is a topic that is the same as this, then I will immediately delete this topic, thank you

We are near have shortages of electricity and how can electric cars help save the future?

No,we are in shortage of electricity,it is the only source available in abundance for now but we are not using it yet due to its expensiveness and maintenance cost but once we adopt to solar powered electricity then we are not going to have hard time to pay electricity fee.But other hand gasoline will lose its place by 2030 or near to that and there will be huge change in the world economical conditions.

So solar power is the answer?what if rainy season when sun don't even seen for weeks?what will happen to solar panel? Where do people take their electricity? Sorry but these are important questions that must be answered as solar power are very in demand these days but can't be ready for the future

If we are in heavy rainy seasons then hydro turbines will plays the role of sun,but the real fact is we are not going to see much of rain in the future which will be the beginning of human extinction so we will have the sun for sure at least on most part of the world.

Lol human extinction and rain won't come?yeah that's very futuristic 😅

Anyway maybe in future we will find another source of energy aside from solar ,fuel and hydrothermal


Maybe Mars is the answer?joke

[Sgott63]

I think electric car + improved solar panel would be great. If this is possible it will revolutionize the traffic world.

[semobo]

Lol human extinction and rain won't come?yeah that's very futuristic 😅

Anyway maybe in future we will find another source of energy aside from solar ,fuel and hydrothermal


Maybe Mars is the answer?joke

Not futuristic,it is happening since last 3 or 4 years back.Did you ever heard the term "Zero Day"?

Cape town which is the capital of South Africa didn't get any single drop of rain and all the water sources there were exhausted now they are surviving from water source outside which is lot expensive than what we can imagine.

Maybe world war 3 begins for water source...

[peter0425]

Lol human extinction and rain won't come?yeah that's very futuristic 😅

Anyway maybe in future we will find another source of energy aside from solar ,fuel and hydrothermal


Maybe Mars is the answer?joke

Not futuristic,it is happening since last 3 or 4 years back.Did you ever heard the term "Zero Day"?

Cape town which is the capital of South Africa didn't get any single drop of rain and all the water sources there were exhausted now they are surviving from water source outside which is lot expensive than what we can imagine.

Maybe world war 3 begins for water source...

haven't heard of that zero day and while browsing it appears that it was cyber attack,sorry but have no idea about that.

but as far as i know africa is suffering from water problem days back and wasn't normal in that continent to have no rain for a long time?i might sound stupid but please enlighten me about those quetion since you sounds like from african continent?am i right?

[semobo]

haven't heard of that zero day and while browsing it appears that it was cyber attack,sorry but have no idea about that.

but as far as i know africa is suffering from water problem days back and wasn't normal in that continent to have no rain for a long time?i might sound stupid but please enlighten me about those quetion since you sounds like from african continent?am i right?

This is what I am talking about:

The Cape Town water crisis in South Africa was a period of severe water shortage in the Western Cape region, most notably affecting the City of Cape Town. While dam water levels had been declining since 2015, the Cape Town water crisis peaked during mid-2017 to mid-2018 where water levels hovered between 15 and 30 per cent of total dam capacity. In late-2017, there were first mentions of plans for "Day Zero", a shorthand reference for the day when the water level of the major dams supplying the City fell below 13.5 per cent.[1][2][3] "Day Zero" would herald the start of Level 7 water restrictions, where municipal water supplies would largely be switched off and residents would have to queue for their daily ration of water, making the City of Cape Town the first major city in the world to potentially run out of water.[4]

The City of Cape Town implemented significant water restrictions in a bid to curb water usage, and succeeded in reducing its daily water usage by more than half to around 500 million litres (130,000,000 US gal) per day in March 2018.[5] The fall in water usage, combined with strong rains in June 2018, led dam levels to steadily increase, and for the City to continually postpone its estimate for "Day Zero".[6] In September 2018, with dam levels close to 70 percent, the city began easing water restrictions, indicating that the worst of the water crisis is over.[7]

Why you think its just normal in that continent,what will be your reaction if this will be the condition of whole world in the next few decades.

[peter0425]

This is what I am talking about:

The Cape Town water crisis in South Africa was a period of severe water shortage in the Western Cape region, most notably affecting the City of Cape Town. While dam water levels had been declining since 2015, the Cape Town water crisis peaked during mid-2017 to mid-2018 where water levels hovered between 15 and 30 per cent of total dam capacity. In late-2017, there were first mentions of plans for "Day Zero", a shorthand reference for the day when the water level of the major dams supplying the City fell below 13.5 per cent.[1][2][3] "Day Zero" would herald the start of Level 7 water restrictions, where municipal water supplies would largely be switched off and residents would have to queue for their daily ration of water, making the City of Cape Town the first major city in the world to potentially run out of water.[4]

The City of Cape Town implemented significant water restrictions in a bid to curb water usage, and succeeded in reducing its daily water usage by more than half to around 500 million litres (130,000,000 US gal) per day in March 2018.[5] The fall in water usage, combined with strong rains in June 2018, led dam levels to steadily increase, and for the City to continually postpone its estimate for "Day Zero".[6] In September 2018, with dam levels close to 70 percent, the city began easing water restrictions, indicating that the worst of the water crisis is over.[7]

ohh,now i understand and thats sad to hear.

Why you think its just normal in that continent,what will be your reaction if this will be the condition of whole world in the next few decades.

because thats what i have watched since my younger time that water in that continent is really hard to have.

but if that would be the world condition in the next decades?well we need to be ready for that.

[semobo]

because thats what i have watched since my younger time that water in that continent is really hard to have.

but if that would be the world condition in the next decades?well we need to be ready for that.

Most part of African continent were much greener than now but things changed due to various reason,mainly due to other countries stole their natural resource now left them with nothing other than poverty and corruption.

Countries preparing for it but it is possible to stand against the nature,we have to wait and watch that.

[peter0425]

because thats what i have watched since my younger time that water in that continent is really hard to have.

but if that would be the world condition in the next decades?well we need to be ready for that.

Most part of African continent were much greener than now but things changed due to various reason,mainly due to other countries stole their natural resource now left them with nothing other than poverty and corruption.

Countries preparing for it but it is possible to stand against the nature,we have to wait and watch that.

Africa has been a victim of abused for very long,from slavery to inhuman treatment the world knew that now.

wait my friend ,are you from Africa?sorry just curious on how you have that much concern about this continent ,hope you dont mind me asking.

the world is taking place now for the help Africa needs

[semobo]

because thats what i have watched since my younger time that water in that continent is really hard to have.

but if that would be the world condition in the next decades?well we need to be ready for that.

Most part of African continent were much greener than now but things changed due to various reason,mainly due to other countries stole their natural resource now left them with nothing other than poverty and corruption.

Countries preparing for it but it is possible to stand against the nature,we have to wait and watch that.

Africa has been a victim of abused for very long,from slavery to inhuman treatment the world knew that now.

wait my friend ,are you from Africa?sorry just curious on how you have that much concern about this continent ,hope you dont mind me asking.

the world is taking place now for the help Africa needs

There is no need to be in Africa to know about Africa.Everything is under palm now. I do read lot of stuffs and interested in worlds economic and politics as well I so I knew about these things.

[peter0425]

There is no need to be in Africa to know about Africa.Everything is under palm now. I do read lot of stuffs and interested in worlds economic and politics as well I so I knew about these things.

yeah right!!!

anyway better that your not from there,and thanks for the great conversation we gone off topic here lol ^_^

[Artemis3]

We are near have shortages of electricity and how can electric cars help save the future?

No,we are in shortage of electricity,it is the only source available in abundance for now but we are not using it yet due to its expensiveness and maintenance cost but once we adopt to solar powered electricity then we are not going to have hard time to pay electricity fee.But other hand gasoline will lose its place by 2030 or near to that and there will be huge change in the world economical conditions.

So solar power is the answer?what if rainy season when sun don't even seen for weeks?what will happen to solar panel? Where do people take their electricity? Sorry but these are important questions that must be answered as solar power are very in demand these days but can't be ready for the future

For the case of cars this is seldom an issue, as generation doesn't necessarily need to be near the car.

It is true that Earth is constantly getting an enormous amount of light, even if some areas are cloud covered, others are not.

AND, renewable energies DO come from multiple sources. There are places where this is not needed, and perhaps a "buffer" (batteries) are good enough. But combining different sources is probably best.

Solar, Wind, Hydro, those 3 are important, there is also geo thermal, tidal, wave among others. It depends on the geographical location.

My country, for example sees A LOT of sun all year (rain doesn't last more than a day), yet none of it is harvested. It has a large dam that powers the entire country. It even has areas with strong constant winds. Heck, my country is unique in the world, as it has the only natural occurring permanent lightning (some call it the World's natural ozone generator); but i imagine you could somehow harvest that. Setting up the thing would be challenging tho, people die electrocuted from time to time in that region. I imagine robots could build something akin to the Eiffel tower there to power large battery banks.

And yet, my country will be the last to see electric cars, because while it has the cheapest electricity in the world, it also has the cheapest gasoline. Well that and the politicians than can't never have enough of ruining the country.

There are other older proposals, one involves a satellite with a (very large) solar array beaming energy down via microwave.

It can also be argued that, nuclear is natural (it IS natural occurring, just real hard to handle safely). After all the Sun is a giant fusion nuclear reactor, we are simply tapping a minuscule amount of the excess energy that impacts the surface in the form of light projected from it. Fusion powered energy is still a study in progress, but it is believed that at some point we will be able to make an artificial micro sun to power things with, its just that starting the thing and make it self sustainable, ie: generate enough energy to keep the reaction AND having a surplus we could use, is the challenge. Many countries including America are working on it, and the day its harnessed things are going to change a lot, electricity might become so abundant and cheap, it might even revive Bitcoin mining after it became long unprofitable (think half a century). Incidentally it might spell the end of a fossil fueled economy.

The way things stand, fossil fuels will deplete, while the other sources remain. It is logical to go full electric, or old fashioned (perhaps a combination: bicycles and electric. Electric assisted bicycles also count).

If you can do your daily commute under your own muscles, i don't see why not. No roof on Earth should be devoid of solar paneling, it is such a waste not to tap on that, tho things you can do now to lower your power use, but more are coming both massive and small.

Dinosaur Juice is not endless.

[Artemis3]

I don't know about that, but had they had the ford fusion hybrid 30 years ago, it would have been the number 1 selling car on the planet.

I doubt it. Hybrids are a transitional thing, and i don't expect them to last long. Once electrics reach critical mass, source of fossil fuels will be very hard to come by. A hybrid is a poor fossil fuel burner, and a poor electric, it is inefficient in both camps, so its not meant to be.

Sure it makes your fuel last longer, but that will be moot when you don't have gas stations anymore. Yet, you can find a power plug everywhere, even a lame 110v receptacle can charge a car in a day or two. The way things are coming, you will find high powered plugs in most parking places and garages, so this will become less and less of an issue.

Incidentally, any knowledge you gained with electricity while dealing with Bitcoin mining, happens to be useful here as well. 480v in your garage? Yup. Charging the cars overnight will become the norm and it never hurts to plan ahead and have your parking place ready.

Think of the time you will save, never going to a gas station again, especially daily commuters.

The hydro had the outdated premise of "what if i don't have a power plug around", assuming availability of gas stations. So i could tell you, now, go develop these pictures i got on film. You will pause thinking where you can do that anymore... Same thing.

And, since the car has to carry both kinds of engine, making it more heavy, and with less space for carry fuel/batteries, the complexity is even higher than a regular gasoline guzzler.

[XKeyHiScore]

I cannot believe that in november 2019 it's possible to write an article about electric cars and then base a poll on that article without mentioning the Porsche Taycan.

It's all the rage on cars and EV forums: a Porsche Taycan 4S is priced just a tiny bit above a Tesla Model S. It has a slightly shorter range but...

A Porsche Taycan is basicaly a fully electric Porsche Panamera (there are already many Panamera which are hybrids). And a Porsche Panamera is an amazing car: it's a luxury saloon with sound insulation and sound system out of this world. It's a joy to drive. There's hardly anything better than that. If you haven't driven one, you have zero idea how amazing that car is.

Here's a professional pilot's view on the Panamera e-hybrid after trying it for 2000 miles (TLDR; best car ever to own as an every day car):

https://youtu.be/i7lEchRAZeU

And the Porsche Taycan is apparently that, but 100% electric.

I understand this is not a car forum but it's a car thread so my advice would be: go sit in a Tesla at a dealership (or in your own Tesla), then go sit at a Porsche dealership in a Panamera.

Then you come back here and you tell us which one is the ultra-luxury saloon on wheels.

When I see that Porsche sells the Taycan 4S for a tiny bit more than a Model S, for me there's not even the shadow of a doubt: I pick the Taycan 4S eyes closed.  I don't care about the slightly shorter range (my daily gaz guzzlers has a shorter range than a Model S too).  I care about the comfort, the luxury, the quality of the materials, the looks, etc.

You better get ready to see a huge lot of very luxurious EV on the road because all it's going to take for someone to pick between a Model S and a Porsche Taycan 4S is to sit in the two cars. Actually, it's going to be soon super easy to see who never sat in a Porsche Taycan: those driving a Model S.

So yeah, great article and great poll but you simply forgot the best EV car on the planet.

[Alai19]

I found and read this article https://www.energysage.com/electric-vehicles/buyers-guide/top-ev-companies/. this article writes about the list of car companies that are developing electric cars.

I want to ask you, do you think that electric cars are useful for the future and the survival of humanity on earth?

I don't know about that, but had they had the ford fusion hybrid 30 years ago, it would have been the number 1 selling car on the planet.

I think even 20 years ago they were the first to sell on the planet if they had the technology!

[Artemis3]

You better get ready to see a huge lot of very luxurious EV on the road because all it's going to take for someone to pick between a Model S and a Porsche Taycan 4S is to sit in the two cars. Actually, it's going to be soon super easy to see who never sat in a Porsche Taycan: those driving a Model S.

The more the merrier. This is all in accordance to Elon Musk's plan to move humanity into electric cars. He did release his own electric motors for everyone, even Porsche, to use.

That said you have to take a look at how long it took Porsche to come out with something pure electric. The Model S is kinda old already, been out for 7 years already, it was meant as a Sedan type, nothing even remotely resembling a sports top of the line car (that's what the Roadster is for). The fact that even today the S can still compete with that new Porsche should tell you something about Tesla... Lets see if that Taycan can hold its flag 7 tears from now.

Yes i know Porsche, i like its classic sports car line, not its SUV line (i find those aesthetically horrible, actually).

Tesla has followed a top to bottom approach, from the most expensive speed cars to something cheap enough for the masses to commute "in style". It's still getting there, and i bet the bare bottom will be dominated by Chinese electric compacts anyway.

Perhaps then all the Tesla line will lower in price. An used Tesla S can be found sometimes cheaper than new model 3s.

I expect the other luxury sport car makers to chime in. A Ferrari with its signature whistle would be very nice, especially now that its quiet enough to hear it clearly.

Besides, Porsche did not send a car to Mars. That was an actual Tesla Roadster, the very thing that started it all...

[CryptoMargo]

electric cars are of course the future, but it destroys jobs

[Artemis3]

electric cars are of course the future, but it destroys jobs

By your definition all technology advance destroy jobs. Why don't we don't go back to pre-industrial revolution levels, so we can give more 18 hrs jobs in textile mills?

What about that guy that earned money developing photographic pictures, or the guys that repaired VCRs, or typists, telegraphists? Did you know there is people in Pyongyang doing the work a traffic light normally does? Imagine how many jobs we could give if we replaced all traffic lights with humans!

This could go on and on to no end. Technology ALWAYS destroy jobs, and many times creates jobs too, perhaps not in the same proportion, but usually everyone ends better than without it.

Luddism is not the answer. Besides, less fossil fuel burning is better for all.

[semobo]

electric cars are of course the future, but it destroys jobs

Electric cars save you a lot of money, but it is going to destroy some countries where only oil as their main source of income.

By 2035 35 to 40% of the total jobs of this world will be taken over by AI or robots, get prepared for it by yourself from today.