Family of 4 : Needs Investigation

[FIFA worldcup]

Since olesya did not create a separate thread,I have created a new topic for this investigation as per recommendation of actmyname as it was not good to pollute the Cryptotalk Campaign thread.
Note: If there is already any thread open for this, let me know and i will lock this one.

Two alternative accounts (Sr. Member) owned by one person.
Participation in one subscription company

olesya  Date Registered:   August 10, 2016, 06:15:19 AM

Proof of joined post
Bitcointalk username: olesya
Campaign in which you participate: Blog/Media
ETH address: 0xeb607162394E0E6D969850ce89A69fB58dDB2A39

https://archive.ph/SVAYa

Larion94 Date Registered:   November 06, 2016, 07:05:07 AM

linkMy correct entries are

Adress: 0xeb607162394E0E6D969850ce89A69fB58dDB2A39

Facebook -  341
Twitter    -  342

https://archive.ph/pf6jF
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZTw3vHQIXKN37yHMVnGmOy2hwxRWZbXk8obJcAN0wgo/edit#gid=1739285149

Two alternative accounts (Sr. Member) owned by one person.
Participation in one subscription company

olesya  Date Registered:   August 10, 2016, 06:15:19 AM

Proof of joined post
Bitcointalk username: olesya
Campaign in which you participate: Blog/Media
ETH address: 0xeb607162394E0E6D969850ce89A69fB58dDB2A39

https://archive.ph/SVAYa

Larion94 Date Registered:   November 06, 2016, 07:05:07 AM

linkMy correct entries are

Adress: 0xeb607162394E0E6D969850ce89A69fB58dDB2A39

Facebook -  341
Twitter    -  342

https://archive.ph/pf6jF
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZTw3vHQIXKN37yHMVnGmOy2hwxRWZbXk8obJcAN0wgo/edit#gid=1739285149

Not two, but four.

+ saharovvv         Hero Member
+ inessamariyana Sr. Member

#Proof of authentication post:

Programs: Youtube and Content
Bitcointalk Username: saharovvv
Bitcointalk profile URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=864476
Content profile URL: https://vk.com/id220221559
YouTube channel URL: https://www.youtube.com/user/EternyonRussia
Telegram Username: saharovvv
ETH Address: 0x1374C83bf4af8e0c847d449840BB7A9b0963A1c8

http://archive.md/TtwaG

Bitcointalk username: : inessamariyana
Forum rank: Member
Posts count: 140
ETH address: 0x0282dF6463cb46ab0DA9a0D3649baF6b7d256261

http://archive.md/oj9Dv

Bitcointalk Username: Larion94
Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=916353
Twitter: https://twitter.com/larikklimenko
ETH Adress: 0xe349E61F5E97582ccCFed1d1f36f521C8FAda339

http://archive.md/Jt6VJ

saharovvv sent ETH to olesya/Larion94  https://etherscan.io/tx/0x9ef98ff905f3c17b2e583ce69031a569277b012a703f8c8e4b7f14b78aef0445
saharovvv sent ETH to Larion94 https://etherscan.io/tx/0xffbfbd617cb2062bdfb3d804ae3065862125a228b23fb2b556b4ace742fe802c
olesya/Larion94 sent ETH to inessamariyana https://etherscan.io/tx/0xea6c11dbae41e7f90d3440eac5e0e0c43f1f259d278b89b13631f7d2d37106b3

saharovvv, olesya, Larion94, inessamariyana regularly sent tokens to one wallet, and then sent from it to the exchange.

Another common wallet for draining tokens.

Etc. Lots of transactions. The close connection of these users is obvious.

They participated in many bounty campaigns simultaneously:
saharovvv, olesya,  inessamariyana in
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AYzEZrD61yHcsZDHioYsgXE2pZ1CvuVshzuBcTVB7HE/edit#gid=537834287
saharovvv #33 and Larion94#34 in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qfOTJx0XLGh81P1ZAsrwCWwm4-5mYAh-kivAOyi_ZYw/edit#gid=779435195
saharovvv and olesya in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GUa7COUdyhZffiiEALO9x_GiYahGr5ZSj5q0UJ0sB3U/edit#gid=0
saharovvv, Larion94, inessamariyana in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QlbETkBQAgnSJth5Na2ypQL-RaE_b1tddBX1rqT5ZK8/edit#gid=941991872
saharovvv, olesya, Larion94, inessamariyana in
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XKlY9xEGkX4RdRmAS3nCkLtvFK9aSUVrVvB7L22uihk/edit#gid=0
etc.

The problem is that by studying their content (they wrote articles, videos), their social profiles, I came to the conclusion that at least 2 people are standing behind these accounts - a man and a woman. And the probability that there are 4 people (2 men + 2 women) is quite high.
Therefore, I did not publish this material and thought about this situation. But since everything was revealed i think now they should come here and give explanations for their actions.

We are a family (4 people), no one is hiding this. We do everything absolutely honestly. Only original videos, posts, articles. We did not break any rules. We can do KYC for yobit as evidence of our truth. We are also ready to provide any confirmation of my words.

If on one account all the videos are with a female voice, and on the other with a male voice. I think it’s clear that different people

Wrong. Think about exactly what this proves:

It proves that all the videos on one account are with a female voice and all the ones on the other are with a male voice. Nothing more, nothing less. You cannot use extremely circumstantial evidence to cryptographically separate two individuals.I won't derail the thread further as this is already 3 posts deep. Create a new topic in Reputation.

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[Harlot]

If they are a family of four then why do they need to send tokens to one address or to multiple ones at the same time? What will be the purpose of it if they do independently earn tokens from campaign yet they transact to the same addresses? Clearly there is no logical explanation just in the base on the transactions alone they are doing frequently among themselves.

[olesya]

If they are a family of four then why do they need to send tokens to one address or to multiple ones at the same time? What will be the purpose of it if they do independently earn tokens from campaign yet they transact to the same addresses? Clearly there is no logical explanation just in the base on the transactions alone they are doing frequently among themselves.

Do you have a family or friends? Did you send them money to the card? And nobody asked you why you are sending money to each other

On large exchanges, we each have an account, but sometimes specific token is traded on an exchange that we do not use (like Digifinex), so we send everything to 1 account, it’s convenient for us, we live together.

And I don’t understand what happened.
We have never brake forum rules and bounty company rules. We never plagiarized. All our videos, articles and posts are original.  So what do you want?

[Harlot]

And I don’t understand what happened.
We have never brake forum rules and bounty company rules. We never plagiarized. All our videos, articles and posts are original.  So what do you want?

Usually when common addresses, social media accounts, transactions are linked to two or more people in the forum then it instantly raises a red flag that the accounts are just handled by one person not by several persons and that is understandable since a lot of account farmers and bounty cheaters are caught in that way, they also say the reason that they are part of a family and they each own an account here in the forum so this excuse is really flawed here. So really if you have anything to prove that you are indeed a family of four and all of those four accounts are owned by four people then just hope that it convinces the DT members.

[stompix]

Pretty f up situation.

There is no way to prove that indeed there were 4 different persons typing all those posts.
Yeah, there are two different persons in the videos, but how can you prove that the wife or the husband or whatever your relation is were posting each on one account and not that that the video was the only time they worked together?

We are a family (4 people), no one is hiding this.

Did you ever mention that any of the other accounts are family members here?
Ever mentioned that an account is owned by a relative?

Unfortunately (or fortunately) most of the posts are in Russian so no way to figure out for most of the members here if there are different persons posting from the way you talked around here, let's see f someone digs around your posts a bit...

[olesya]

And I don’t understand what happened.
We have never brake forum rules and bounty company rules. We never plagiarized. All our videos, articles and posts are original.  So what do you want?

Usually when common addresses, social media accounts, transactions are linked to two or more people in the forum then it instantly raises a red flag that the accounts are just handled by one person not by several persons and that is understandable since a lot of account farmers and bounty cheaters are caught in that way, they also say the reason that they are part of a family and they each own an account here in the forum so this excuse is really flawed here. So really if you have anything to prove that you are indeed a family of four and all of those four accounts are owned by four people then just hope that it convinces the DT members.

We have different accounts in social networks. We had one wallet 3 years ago when we just started studying cryptocurrency

Pretty f up situation.

There is no way to prove that indeed there were 4 different persons typing all those posts.
Yeah, there are two different persons in the videos, but how can you prove that the wife or the husband or whatever your relation is were posting each on one account and not that that the video was the only time they worked together?

We are a family (4 people), no one is hiding this.

Did you ever mention that any of the other accounts are family members here?
Ever mentioned that an account is owned by a relative?

Unfortunately (or fortunately) most of the posts are in Russian so no way to figure out for most of the members here if there are different persons posting from the way you talked around here, let's see f someone digs around your posts a bit...

We posted our articles on Steem and I talking with one of the SteemCleaners members, he still likes our posts,  I said that we are family, I probably can find this message

Let's look at TS.
In this message https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2394691.msg24525972#msg24525972 - he said his wallet 0x8e8d35d8a5EdDEc4a7a31F7a8F37f49Ae92Ff127
from this wallet he made a transfer 40 AION to 0x44fb7475D932c9CAd70c39584f9CD6e1a7CA04c1
If you look at this wallet, it also received 1150 vib tokens from 0x5e5579CB59b02958aaD03225fC0A5B7D1AB2150F   which belongs to the user BitcoinsGreat (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047474.msg21792351#msg21792351)
Also from wallet BitcoinsGreat  there were 2 transactions of ETH to the first wallet Fifa 0x8e8d35d8a5EdDEc4a7a31F7a8F37f49Ae92Ff127

They are alts or just know each other. Ask a question, Why did BitcoinsGreat transfer tokens to one address Fifa and ETH to the second address Fifa?

[pixie85]

There's one thing that I see here. Look at post history of these accounts from the last weeks. They are all 1 liners. The whole family used to post mostly 1 liners in russian and from time to time one liners in english but when they got spotted suddenly one of them begun to write long explanations and stories how they are a family with quotes and all that.

Why isn't the rest of the family trying to explain themselves? Did they all sent olesya here as their spokesperson?

[KTChampions]

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Unfortunately (or fortunately) most of the posts are in Russian so no way to figure out for most of the members here if there are different persons posting from the way you talked around here, let's see f someone digs around your posts a bit...

As you can see from the initial post, I studied this family very deeply.
According to the information from the bounty spreadsheets and using Google I found a lot of information about them, I did not publish it to avoid accusations of doxing.
By their content, I can believe that there are two different girls.

golos.io/@olesya - personal page olesya on golos.
golos.io/@karisa - personal page inessamariyana on golos.
golos.io/@papakarlo - second page inessamariyana on golos.

Taken from here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AYzEZrD61yHcsZDHioYsgXE2pZ1CvuVshzuBcTVB7HE/edit#gid=537834287
and here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4880157.msg45928638#msg45928638  http://archive.md/75FAR

Judging by the posts, @papakarlo's account was managed by a man and a woman.
Clumsy verses (sorry) and similar verses are on the account @karisa.
The content of olesya and inessamariyana is completely different (in my opinion).

More difficult situation with Larion94 and saharovvv.
Larion94 - https://www.facebook.com/larikklimenko
saharovvv - https://www.facebook.com/ildarclickprime
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IYoSBsAjjoCtSpuLGDGuq_rSr0Tf7z0DCwacXO7hJ68/edit#gid=999101524

Larion94’s profile looks believable. But saharovvv's profile is fake.
His foto was taken from here: http://www.smsport.ru/expo/katalog/lyjgonki/legkov/
The same photo (the only one) is posted on the VK social network.
Either it's fake or we are honored to talk with olympic champion in cross-country skiing.

At the moment, I am 100% sure that there are at least 2 people behind these accounts: a man and a woman. At 99.9%, I am sure that there are three people - 2 women and a man. As for the 4th man, I doubt it.

[Joel_Jantsen]

99.9% of the time on this forum, family always means cheating the bounty campaigns with alternate accounts. Well, let's just assume for a minute that you're a family, did all of you were born in the same generation of cryptos? Since you said you all live together, I assume one of you'll be a father or mother right?

We have different accounts in social networks. We had one wallet 3 years ago when we just started studying cryptocurrency

You were smart enough to create different accounts for social media but not smart enough to create your personal wallets? Seems unbelievable.

[olesya]

99.9% of the time on this forum, family always means cheating the bounty campaigns with alternate accounts. Well, let's just assume for a minute that you're a family, did all of you were born in the same generation of cryptos? Since you said you all live together, I assume one of you'll be a father or mother right?

We have different accounts in social networks. We had one wallet 3 years ago when we just started studying cryptocurrency

You were smart enough to create different accounts for social media but not smart enough to create your personal wallets? Seems unbelievable.

I wrote above, when we started it was 3 years ago, we used one wallet, then when we realized how everything works we created wallet for every person.

Next, the most important moment, I’m a mother, when my son earned a monthly salary in Russian for 1 article , we all started to do this because it is a very good chance to make money in Russia.

[stompix]

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As you can see from the initial post, I studied this family very deeply.
According to the information from the bounty spreadsheets and using Google I found a lot of information about them, I did not publish it to avoid accusations of doxing.
By their content, I can believe that there are two different girls.

Not going to dig deeper into this as it seems to be the truth is somewhere in the middle, they are no completely innocent and 100% honest about it but probably it's not a one-man business either.
The thing that makes me doubt the story is that I've checked the link from the social media you posted, some they used on the forum, and there is one thing missing from them, of course, I could be wrong on this, and that is the family, I haven't come across any family pictures...

And the thing with the fake profile...

Dunno, it's up to DT members and to their campaign manager!

Let's look at TS......

Let's not! Just don't do it, don't start with the whataboutism, I know for sure that it will make things worse.
You're one step from getting a break, don't ruin it.

[olesya]

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As you can see from the initial post, I studied this family very deeply.
According to the information from the bounty spreadsheets and using Google I found a lot of information about them, I did not publish it to avoid accusations of doxing.
By their content, I can believe that there are two different girls.

Not going to dig deeper into this as it seems to be the truth is somewhere in the middle, they are no completely innocent and 100% honest about it but probably it's not a one-man business either.
The thing that makes me doubt the story is that I've checked the link from the social media you posted, some they used on the forum, and there is one thing missing from them, of course, I could be wrong on this, and that is the family, I haven't come across any family pictures...

And the thing with the fake profile...

Dunno, it's up to DT members and to their campaign manager!

Let's look at TS......

Let's not! Just don't do it, don't start with the whataboutism, I know for sure that it will make things worse.
You're one step from getting a break, don't ruin it.

I do not blame the TS, I showed that people if they are familiar they can send transactions to one wallet.

Many people on the forum prefer to be anonymous, and this is the advantage of cryptocurrency.
Therefore, in social networks that participate in activities with cryptocurrency, we do not publish our photos, I do not want my friends to know about this. For our safety, we are not talking to anyone about cryptocurrency, even if someone starts talking about bitcoin, I pretend that I don’t understand what it is about.

Just write what evidence you want to see and I will give it to you

[saharovvv]

It’s my turn to clarify this situation.
Ildar Abdalov is me. I'm first one who learned about cryptocurrency and came to forum.
When I started participating in mlm systems, even before cryptocurrency, I made a page in VK (https://vk.com/id220221559), 5-6 years ago (I did"t post my personal photos on it).
I participated in many projects, I had structures of more than 1000 people, I can show you top leaders of mlm companies we worked together, they can confirm that know me.

now i like to make video, there are a lot of them - https://www.youtube.com/user/EternyonRussia
and love to participate in interesting signature company, only for tokens, not for bitcoins, I think it is much more promising, so I don't participate in the cryptotalk company

I apologize for my English, I use Google translate

[be.open]

As you can see from the initial post, I studied this family very deeply.
According to the information from the bounty spreadsheets and using Google I found a lot of information about them, I did not publish it to avoid accusations of doxing.

You are accused of invading someone else’s privacy, which may entail the risk of political repression or criminal prosecution for this family, whose members, under pressure and to protect their reputation, are forced to partially deanonymize. Such investigations directly threaten the personal safety of the persons under investigation. Perhaps now they believe that their reputation on the forum is more important than the risks to personal security due to deanonymization. But these risks are already quite large, and may become even greater in the future, because the legal status of cryptocurrencies in Russia is currently uncertain. You do this systematically and with perseverance worthy of better use, although such activities in most civilized countries require special powers and judicial permission. And I strongly doubt that you have them, so just stop doing it on a voluntary basis. Even if this family is not one of the saints, the real and potential damage from your activities is much greater than the damage from their possible abuse.

I myself suffered from your similar investigation because I adequately assess the risks of living in Russia and therefore value my privacy more than my reputation on this forum. Therefore, I ask DT members to end this investigation as threatening the personal safety of members of this family. In fact, it doesn’t matter if there are three or four of them, even if the initiator of the investigation is sure that there are more than one.

[Stack23]

In all these investigations and trails, please protect the privacy of the individuals. It's more of an ethical and our moral responsibility.