I am considered a "spammer" for a retilation negative trust completely non sense

[bitbollo]

Hello Guys, I want ask a comment about this situation....

I have left a neutral trust for that message, see below: "Completely off topic. Low quality of post"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1656107.msg50944818#msg50944818

Hello to all this exclusive community, I want to join here, because I've seen many movies online and it strikes me because I find a lot of publicity, and it's something that I love, the game is always a way out of stress of all the work that is generated day to day, I would like to know if they have any plans for new members? If you have to fill out some forms or if you simply register and start, because I've seen games sites that make up livestream and have forums for people to interact. I would greatly appreciate the information you can provide me.

This message was posted in a topic were ALL PEOPLE were give only complaints about a TOTALLY PURE SCAM SITE.
I can't understand why some one should ask to join a confirmed scam.
Just as reference this was the previous message posted

requested withdrawal 11 hours ago with 100mbtc , its approved but they still not release my withdrawal. I contacted via email but their last respond is 5 hours ago. I lose a lot in this site, and now withdrawing 100mbtc and first time holding the withdrawal for a long time.

I receive a negative trust by the same user, related this message:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1424389.msg51788941#msg51788941

Ciao a tutti!
non lo so se è gia stata segnalata da altri, ma vorrei segnalarVi l'Airdrip CPUcoin al seguente link:
 https://www.qoinpro.com/114a5d778a70edd35bf0ffe7fd6a26b8
In più è possibile ottenere una piccola rendita giornaliera di una serie di cryptomonete.
Ringrazio di cuore quanti vorrano registrarsi utilizzando tale codice.

Come primo messaggio sul forum, proprio non ci siamo.
Stai suggerendo un sito che ha scammato un sacco di utenti, che anche i pochi centesimi che ha regalato non li faceva prelevare delistando le coin.... io lascerei proprio peredere qualsiasi sforzo a riguardo.

" He is very spammer, most of his answers are of poor quality, he tries to become a comedian and is really unpleasant, mostly his posts are mediocre."

FIRST = this is ITALIAN section, and he is not italian SPEAKING so I can't understand how he can give a rate.
SECOND = I suggest to a newbie (first message on forum + referral code for a scam site) that qoinpro was a scam site, and that was clearly useless to earn something.
THIRD = This wasn't a low quality reply since it was done on "airdrop" topic of italian section, and I think be active against scam site is just a plus for the community.

Why now I am looking as a spammer despite I have just avoided a scam hint in italian section?

How it's possible handle these situations? Since we are talking against scam, spam, trolls and so on ....
Why these fake trust should influence other people when looking on my trust profile?

I am sorry if these arguments have already been discussed but I was Off line for a while and maybe I have missed something.
 

[Lucius]

Why these fake trust should influence other people when looking on my trust profile?

You have received 10+ negative feedbacks in the last 4+ years, but none were from a DT member. For me and most others, your profile is clean, and it shows 3+ green trust. So I think you have no reason to be upset about the fact that someone has left you negative feedback because this happens all the time in the forum.

The only thing that matters is that you don't have negative feedback from DT members, which means you didn't do anything wrong. Trust is not moderated, so the only way to remove it is to try to reach an agreement with the other party.

[JeromeTash]

Not sure if the post was off topic but it sure as hell was low quality. Perhaps the author of the post is not an English native so i believe if you had reported such a post to the mods, i still don't think it would have be removed because there are far much worse posts than that.

Also, basing on how LUCKMCFLY replied in the thread, there are to possibilities
1. Just make a generic reply to meet the weekly post count quota without even reading a few replies above.
2. Probably had no idea what was going on with 1XBET/1XBIT(so many scam accusations)

So your feedback to him wasn't necessary and his retaliatory feedback even makes the situation look much more stupid. Believe me if we were all going to leave feedback on people's profiles because of what the way the replied a thread, the negative feedback in this forum would totally lose meaning.

Maybe what you would have done was to first tell him about his kind of reply and the kind of scam service he was replying to. If he still insisted on supporting the scammers. Then we would surely know that he was shilling or something like that.

I still believe you can still resolve this issue through talking to each other and each of you come to a common understanding and both of you reverse the feedback you left each other.

[dkbit98]

@bitbollo
To me also, you profile looks clean and trusted.
I don't care what trolls, scammers and cheaters are giving me in trust, as it is pure bs.
They only make things worse for themselves.

[Little Mouse]

In my opinion, it's not fair to leave a feedback for their poor quality post, not even for high quality post. His retaliation is also the wrong use of the feedback system. If you find bad quality post or off topic, the only activity is to report the post to moderator.
If I were you, I would PM him and settle this issue by removing my feedback.

[logfiles]

@bitbollo i have seen you for quite a while now trying to fight scammers around the forum which is really awesome. After looking into how it also started i think you guys should remove the feedback you left each other and move on as if it never happened because its not worth it. Nobody has scammed anyone or exhibited scammy behavior which is the major reason for Trust feedback.

Right now it may seem something minor but if one of you get on DT which is not hard these days, then the other user's trust score or reputation will just get damaged just because of something simple that can be solved through a simple mutual agreement.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

To me also, you profile looks clean and trusted.

Same here, it shows neutral for me. 

I also could care less if some random idiot leaves me negative trust--check my trust page and you'll see I have way more negatives than positives, and the negative ones are either retaliatory feedback or are unrelated to me being trustworthy. 

Nobody these days should be leaving red trust for post quality.  Theymos doesn't want us to do that and has said so explicitly.  That's what the merit system is for, and there's also the "report to moderator" button.  Back in 2017 I was using the trust system to tag shitposters, but this was before the merit system and it was the only tool available to combat them.  You couldn't report all the shitposts even if you had a team of 100 members reporting posts 12 hours a day, that's how bad it was.  Now it's different and I had to remove all those red trusts I had left.

Unfortunately even though Theymos doesn't approve of leaving a neg for poor post quality, there isn't much you can do about one once you've received it.  Feedbacks rarely get removed by moderators, nor are trust abusers punished.  Just don't let it bug you too much and move on.

[dkbit98]

Nobody these days should be leaving red trust for post quality.  Theymos doesn't want us to do that and has said so explicitly.

I would agree with this.
Negative trust is for cheaters, scammers and account sellers.

I would like to see some private notes system for members,
that would help me identify specific members without giving them public trust or feedback.
I would call it 'Private Trust'

[bitbollo]

Thank you guys for all replies.
I have just deleted the negative trust left to this user (and even the grey trust, since we have discussed in private).

I want highlight the same, with another example of negative trust totally non sense just received yesterday by @Vod
"Appears to be a repeat scammer. See all the untrusted feedback below." :O
What type of scam I have performed? Start from the first one, and then explain what you mean by "repitition" or just add another scam?

Check by your self negative trust and EXPLAIN WHY I AM SCAMMING SOME ONE AND HOW:

GloriousWin (promote a SURE WIN FOR HORSE RACING, just for 0,10 btc. He was not able to win ANY of prediction despite the vague tips! Likewise today will win an horse with a number from 1-10 ....left a retilation trust )
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5143920.0

CoolWave (promote an ESCORW Service, while he was a SCAMMER and left a retilation trust)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1153364

HeroCat (promote an Hyip with 11200% as ROI, he left a retilation trust against me...)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1654725.msg16614515#msg16614515

WowCheBit (left several negative trust, because I have caught him sell bitcoin at +40% of current rate trying to scam newbie by selling bitcoin overpriced!) (Plus he has advertised PONZI SCHEME on Italian section and OF COURSE I AM THE SCAMMER!)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1406946.msg14272076#msg14272076
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=718264

The first one LUCKMCFLY has sent an mp since he has understand the error of this fake trust.

So I can continue since I haven't never scammed anyone.
But I am here to give any explanation, and what hell this guy left a totally non sense and random negative trust?
If this is the strategy to growth a community it seems that something is broken, otherwise if I should appear as a scammer.... I don't know what is anymore the meaning of this word on this forum.

So another lesson, there are people that can leave totally non sense negative trust if you ask pubblic clarification?

I hope it can explain where I see my scam and MY REPEATED SCAM. (WITH PROOF or it doesn't count).
Just to understand why this user (@Vod) judge my behaviour as scam

[bitmover]

He looks red to me, because of Vod's feedback, unlike others said.
Maybe you could talk to vod about it? Send him a pm, he might reconsider

Vod is not in my trust settings, but someone from my trust list may trust him.

[Lucius]

Vod has removed his negative feedback, very likely after bitbollo is posted and explained who are in fact those who left him negative feedback. I think everything is settled now

He looks red to me, because of Vod's feedback, unlike others said.

Vod was left his feedback after all previous post, you can check now and see that there is no negative trust from any DT member.

[bitmover]

Vod was left his feedback after all previous post, you can check now and see that there is no negative trust from any DT member.

He is green again now for me, I can confirm.

You are good to go op.

This new trust system is too harsh imo. Even having a lot of green feedback, one negative from dt2 is enough to make account red..