REEE: Donald Trump Hasn't Yet Been Impeached. What's Next? [serious discussion]

[TECSHARE]

Right, except that has no bearing on what they said and what I'm outlining. Strategy by either side has no bearing as both sides have done things purely for strategic and political purposes. It's only what's constitutional and legal that has any bearing. So, it goes something like this I think.

They had no right to issue subpoenas for impeachment unless the house authorizes it. Which they didn't. i.e. the subpoenas don't carry the weight of an impeachment until such time as the house actually has authorized it. The Democratic argument has been "we can do what we want since we have sole power" which is correct.. Except it wasn't "we". Without a house vote, there is no we.

The committees however do have the right to issue subpoenas for legislative oversight. But the democrats stated in their letters that it was for impeachment. The Democrats then argue that there is precedent in that there have been other inquires done without a vote. The lawyer said yes that's true, but there was no compelling of documents and testimony. i.e. no subpoenas in those instances and thus no precedent. That's the first time I had heard that and that's why I'm re-looking at this.

I'm not totally confident here, but I think whats constitutional and legal is theoretical in these cases (subpoena and house vote examples). Just because you can find one way to thread the unprecedented needle doesn't mean that it is or is not legal or constitutional.  It would be one thing if there was already a ruling that 'a congressional subpoena is not valid if impeachment is mentioned but the House hasn't voted to begin an inquiry.'  And if that were the case, they could've just not mentioned impeachment.

If you only consider this argument: 'We sent them subpoenas, they didn't respond.'   
Then it's not that unreasonable to defend with: 'We didn't think the first few were valid because there was no vote, and we granted total immunity on the other ones'

But if the argument includes:

A) The President told us he would not respond to any request no matter and ordered the entire executive branch not to cooperate with us.
B) He was planning to drag every single subpoena through multiple courts, multiple times, making it impossible to get a ruling within X amount of time.
C) There is a valid reason that this trial needs to take place before X amount of time or The President will greatly benefit directly from what he's being tried for in X amount of time.

Then that's a pretty strong argument, although unprecedented, that the President is literally stripping Congress of their power to provide oversight. 

side note: I really don't get how it's possible for someone to make it take so long to get a ruling for something that could be incredibly urgent.  Seems like something the needs to be fixed, otherwise a President has free range to do whatever the hell he wants 12 months before the election, including literal crimes to influence the election, as long as he's successful at getting reelected and getting 34 of his friends in the Senate he can't be held accountable.

Funny moment in the trial just now.

Schiff claimed there's a subpoena going through federal court right now, as in like literally this very moment.

"So the judge says, 'Well if the Congress can’t enforce its subpoenas in court, then what remedy is there? And the Justice Department lawyer’s response is: 'Impeachment. Impeachment.' You can’t make this up!"

No one is saying Congress can't enforce its subpoenas in court. The subpoenas HAVE TO be sent through the courts in order to be enforced. The president is exercising executive privilege. Until it goes through the court, The President has every constitutional right to exercise executive privilege. Since he has every right to do this, simply exercising his constitutional authority is in no way able to be construed as obstruction. That is why the subpoenas must be decided in court. To do otherwise would be to strip the executive branch of its power, giving all authority to The Congress, which is a co-equal branch. You cry about congress supposedly being stripped of oversight in the very same breath that you try to strip the executive of its authority. The office of the president was not meant to be a parliamentary system serving at the pleasure of the Congress. The Congress can not issue a subpeona, then unilaterally decide upon the validity of the subpoena they just issued. That is asinine.

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No one is saying Congress can't enforce its subpoenas in court. The subpoenas HAVE TO be sent through the courts in order to be enforced. The president is exercising executive privilege. Until it goes through the court, The President has every constitutional right to exercise executive privilege. Since he has every right to do this, simply exercising his constitutional authority is in no way able to be construed as obstruction. That is why the subpoenas must be decided in court. To do otherwise would be to strip the executive branch of its power, giving all authority to The Congress, which is a co-equal branch. You cry about congress supposedly being stripped of oversight in the very same breath that you try to strip the executive of its authority. The office of the president was not meant to be a parliamentary system serving at the pleasure of the Congress. The Congress can not issue a subpeona, then unilaterally decide upon the validity of the subpoena they just issued. That is asinine.

That is a clear and simple explanation of why the "Obstruction" charge on Trump is totally ridiculous.

Come to think of it, I'm going to be guilty of some obstruction too. I'm going to send money to the opponents of some of those obtuse retrograde subhuman, knuckle dragging perverts of Authoritarian Statists during the November elections.

Let's have us some whole lot of Obstructioning in November.

[TECSHARE]

Given they never dreamed or seriously considered they'd get 2/3 in the senate, it's then useful to ask what the real motivations were. What were they actually trying to accomplish? I think a motive that has to be considered is that they are actually quite confused, and do not have clear motives.

I think the House was thinking more about the case they were presenting to the country than the Senate.

Also, they put a lot of republican senators in swing states in an undesirable situation by making them actually pick a side on something they have always defaulted to political non-answers when asked about.  It's pretty common in congress to propose and force a vote on something that you know doesn't have a chance of passing just to get a record of it. (The Republicans did that often during the House Impeachment hearings, and the Democrats are doing it right now with amendment propositions, for example)

All in all, I'm not comprehending what the witnesses were intended to accomplish and for what goal.

The whole trial was on whether or not Trump did something bad, and how bad it was.

During the House hearing, Bolton said he would challenge any subpoena in court, which could take over a year.

Before the Senate trial Bolton said he would not fight a subpoena, and that he had information that had not yet been made public.

'all hearsay, no direct evidence' had been repeated over and over in defense of the President.  Bolton would be able to provide direct evidence.

By refusing to hear any witnesses, and the fact that Pompeo, Mulvaney and Bolton were all considered 'democrat witnesses', is evidence that there is a cover up happening.

The House has every opportunity to present all the witnesses and evidence it wanted. Now that they have zero authority in the situation because The Senate is in control of this portion of the process, they feel they can dictate terms still, in spite of that being the whole intent of splitting the authority between The House and The Senate.

If the Democrats called them, then yes, they are officially the Democrat's witnesses. Gold star for trying. Why is it so important the subpoena is enforced in under a year? Oh right, it is an election year. Not transparent at all. Can't win at the ballot box so you have to try to win using the idiot box.

[BADecker]

^^^ Trump is probably behind his own impeachment. We all know about "divide and conquer." Looks like the Legislative Branch is divided by this so-called impeachment.

[Spendulus]

^^^ Trump is probably behind his own impeachment. We all know about "divide and conquer." Looks like the Legislative Branch is divided by this so-called impeachment.

Actually the Advanced 4d-chess Trumpian "divide and conquer," I had never seen anything like that before.

Oddly at the same time, the Democrats are going crazy. Part of the answer is he drove them to it, but if that is so then the American people, having elected him, can take full credit for driving them crazy.

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'all hearsay, no direct evidence' had been repeated over and over in defense of the President.  Bolton would be able to provide direct evidence.

By refusing to hear any witnesses, and the fact that Pompeo, Mulvaney and Bolton were all considered 'democrat witnesses', is evidence that there is a cover up happening.

There's always another shiny penny in the road, isn't there? Another one to eagerly lunge for, and then finding its only a penny, get distracted by yet another shiny thing in the dirt.

My guess Bolton, wasn't a 'cover up', but was just another well laid trap that your team was stumbling right into. Do you really think plans were not in place to handle the possibility that the majority vote approving witnesses might have happened?

[BADecker]

It's Finally Almost Over!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rNwSCKf2U0


Bonus: "IMPEACHMENT IS OVER: Mitch McConnell Says It IS TIME To FULLY Acquit President Trump" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQRbOIacm10.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on Today at 07:28:34 PM
Flynn worked out a plea deal to *only* be charged with a single count of lying to the FBI.

He was acting as an unregistered foreign agent for Turkey, he discussed sanctions with Russia after he was named National Security Advisor but while Obama was still president, and then he lied about to the Vice President and the FBI.  When he found out he was being investigated, he filed some FARA documents that also had lies in them.

If he would've been charged with all the crimes he admitted to (under penalty of perjury) , he would be facing spending the rest of his life in prison.

Defending him is like defending a guy who was speeding and drunk getting pulled over and let off with only a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

Quote from: Spendulus on Today at 05:08:31 PM
How much do you understand about FBI standard operating procedure? Google "FBI entrapment" maybe add "drugs".

OR if you still have problems understanding, go to Glocktalk.com, discussion forum for gun owners but mostly LEO, and ask the simple question, "Is entrapment a typical FBI technique." I am not seeing where you have a problem with me. You have a problem trying to thread a needle to get to some desirable conclusions, but that's no concern of mine.
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Why would your recitation of opinions be relevant?

I'm gonna delete any posts that say stuff like this from now on to keep the thread from going to shit.  Please stop.


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Great.

What's next?
Trump's been Impeached.
What's next?
Twitch recommends cheating the Wall Street Journal
So what's next?
Flynn gets off.  What else is next?
Trump-Hate-a-GoGo.
State of the Union.
The babies cry about their Trump-hate.
Formal vote on "impeachment."
More Trump-hate.
Highest rating ever for Trump.
The reeking stink of the Trump-haters.
What else is next?

This post gets deleted and reposted in the thread with freedom.

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^^^ I admire TwitchySeal. He seems to be the only one seriously interested in the impeachment. He and a few other like him, are the only thing keeping the impeachment alive... at least in their own minds.

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^^^ I admire TwitchySeal. He seems to be the only one seriously interested in the impeachment. He and a few other like him, are the only thing keeping the impeachment alive... at least in their own minds.

Unfortunately one day they are going to see a glitch in the holodeck matrix and realize the whole thing was a fantasy novel they were writing as they went along, and they will have their final break with reality as they try to figure out how to cope with the stress resulting from deceiving themselves so completely.

[Spendulus]

A guy that started out running a flock of 200 Mormon "missionaries" in France is not exactly what most people who consider themselves Christian and conservative consider as Christian and conservative.

Mormons are Christian.  It's common among many different types of Christianity (and religions in general) for the youth to go on a mission to help the less fortunate and spread whatever religion they are.

If that is the case, then socialists are communists. It is common for many types of unemployed hipsters to go on a mission on instagram to talk about helping the less fortunate, whatever political religion they are.

Not sure where this leads. Maybe in the direction that Romney's now with Twitch, so Romney must be defended? Not interested in super-defining "Mormon" and "Christian conservative." I do think this statement of mine, well it certainly reflects my personal view.

A guy that started out running a flock of 200 Mormon "missionaries" in France is not exactly what most people who consider themselves Christian and conservative consider as Christian and conservative.

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A guy that started out running a flock of 200 Mormon "missionaries" in France is not exactly what most people who consider themselves Christian and conservative consider as Christian and conservative.

Mormons are Christian.  It's common among many different types of Christianity (and religions in general) for the youth to go on a mission to help the less fortunate and spread whatever religion they are.

If that is the case, then socialists are communists. It is common for many types of unemployed hipsters to go on a mission on instagram to talk about helping the less fortunate, whatever political religion they are.

Not sure where this leads. Maybe in the direction that Romney's now with Twitch, so Romney must be defended? Not interested in super-defining "Mormon" and "Christian conservative." I do think this statement of mine, well it certainly reflects my personal view.

A guy that started out running a flock of 200 Mormon "missionaries" in France is not exactly what most people who consider themselves Christian and conservative consider as Christian and conservative.

I just find it entertaining a person who wants to claim there are oh so many great flavors of socialism to choose from that are nothing at all like communism has no problem pretending all Christians are essentially the same. At least socialists and communists share ideology. Mormons and Christians culturally are quite different, but to a anti-religious bigot, they are all the same. Just more of them crazy Jesus people over by there. Join the TRUE path comrade, where state is the only God, and man is subject to it!

I don't care what he is..
I have a problem with him hindering the fight against left extremism, of which he is supposed to be an ally.. (Romney)

If he was really a Christian he wouldn't let his disagreement with Trump distract him from battling the LGBT agenda with the extreme perverted sexualization of everything they can imagine to relate, including sexualizing children with promotion and acceptance of "theybes", non-binary children, using hormone blockers on children, trans surgeries for children, child drag dancing, and generally exposing children to the topics of such filth in general, teaching children that being queer or especially TRANS is normal or acceptable and should be promoted..
Newsflas, Transexualism is not normal and should not be encouraged.. Look at the suicide rates.. You want that for your child?
Forcing Christians to make gay wedding cakes.. Forcing Christians to pay for, via their tax dollars, free abortions as plan B for sluts.. Late term abortions up to the day of birth..
On and on..

If he was battling for his "Christian Principles" then Trump would just be a minor annoyance to him compared to his actual enemies of the faith.. (which I don't see him raising much of a fuss about)

No, you are a trans-phobic, homophobic, child abusing, religious radical, puritan for even mentioning such things. You and your conflicting ideas will be purged. Your assets and person will be assimilated into our own. Resistance is futile.

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3 1/2 years of trying to get rid of Trump was what it was all about.

I know that's what Trump said it was about, but it really wasn't.  It was about Russian interference in the election.  There were suspicious links between Trump campaign officials and Russian officials that were investigated as part of that, and the final report had a big section on all the ways Trump tried to stop or interfere with the investigation, but it actually was not 'all about trump'.

You should read it.  Just check out the introduction and Executive Summary of part 1 if you don't believe me.
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

It's what I'm saying, and what about two thirds the population believe. Half because they're for Trump and have seen this going on for 3 1/2 years, and 1/6 because they have been engineering this nonsense from the beginning, and publicly said so.

It's all been right out in the open.

Yeah, the media (from left to right) + Trump hyped the shit out of it for 3+ years.  One side made it seem like Trump was just a Russian puppet and the other made it seem like Mueller had a team of angry democrats that would stop at nothing to end Trump presidency.

If you read the report, or the Russian indictments, you'll see there was actually a ton of other stuff going on, and they were able to figure out a very impressive amount of info on a group of Russians that were using every trick in the book to cover their tracks.   Trump just didn't want people to think Russia tried to help him get elected, even though they absolutely did, and he did a really good job of convincing millions of people to believe him. 

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Yes, of course now that your little shifest failed, everyone should share responsibility for the damage you and your party have done pursuing this fraud right? Uh, no. This one is all on you and your chosen party. You can shove that false equivalence right back from where you pulled it.

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Yes, of course now that your little shifest failed, everyone should share responsibility for the damage you and your party have done pursuing this fraud right? Uh, no. This one is all on you and your chosen party. You can shove that false equivalence right back from where you pulled it.

https://babylonbee.com/news/trumps-power-doubles-after-absorbing-impeachment-attack

[BADecker]

If I can't have it my criminal way, you are all bad.


Hillary REACTS to Trump's Acquittal and She is PISSED

The Washington Examiner has more…

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ripped Senate Republicans after they voted to acquit President Trump on two impeachment charges of obstruction of Congress and abuse of power.

"As the president's impeachment trial began, Republican senators pledged an oath to defend the Constitution," Clinton tweeted. "Today, 52 of them voted to betray that oath—and all of us. We're entering dangerous territory for our democracy. It'll take all of us working together to restore it."

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Given most of the posts on this page and the previous page, I guess any serious Trump impeachment discussion has ended and is now devolving into conspiracy talk, Trump worship and the like. Awesome. I thought those that worship Trump and conspiracy theories had their own derivative thread to do that in.

In other words, you were wrong, it is over and the accusations you supported failed, so lets not dwell on who is responsible for all the criminal activity to lead to this years long failed coup attempt, or how wrong you and your cult member friends were.

Given most of the posts on this page and the previous page, I guess any serious Trump impeachment discussion has ended and is now devolving into conspiracy talk, Trump worship and the like. Awesome. I thought those that worship Trump and conspiracy theories had their own derivative thread to do that in.

Quite on the contrary, it would not bother me if people wished to continue discussing impeaching Trump, and all that Russian Collusion. After all, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Maybe this could become a permanent subject, like the enemy EurAsia in 1984?

EurAsia has always been at war with Orangemania.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on February 04, 2020, 07:28:34 PM
Flynn worked out a plea deal to *only* be charged with a single count of lying to the FBI.

He was acting as an unregistered foreign agent for Turkey, he discussed sanctions with Russia after he was named National Security Advisor but while Obama was still president, and then he lied about to the Vice President and the FBI.  When he found out he was being investigated, he filed some FARA documents that also had lies in them.

If he would've been charged with all the crimes he admitted to (under penalty of perjury) , he would be facing spending the rest of his life in prison.

Defending him is like defending a guy who was speeding and drunk getting pulled over and let off with only a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download

Quote from: Spendulus on February 04, 2020, 05:08:31 PM
How much do you understand about FBI standard operating procedure? Google "FBI entrapment" maybe add "drugs".

OR if you still have problems understanding, go to Glocktalk.com, discussion forum for gun owners but mostly LEO, and ask the simple question, "Is entrapment a typical FBI technique." I am not seeing where you have a problem with me. You have a problem trying to thread a needle to get to some desirable conclusions, but that's no concern of mine.
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Why would your recitation of opinions be relevant?

I'm gonna delete any posts that say stuff like this from now on to keep the thread from going to shit.  Please stop.


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Great.

What's next?
Trump's been Impeached.
What's next?
Twitch recommends cheating the Wall Street Journal
So what's next?
Flynn gets off.  What else is next?
Trump-Hate-a-GoGo.
State of the Union.
The babies cry about their Trump-hate.
Formal vote on "impeachment."
More Trump-hate.
Highest rating ever for Trump.
The reeking stink of the Trump-haters.
What else is next?

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Given most of the posts on this page and the previous page, I guess any serious Trump impeachment discussion has ended and is now devolving into conspiracy talk, Trump worship and the like. Awesome. I thought those that worship Trump and conspiracy theories had their own derivative thread to do that in.


Quite on the contrary, it would not bother me if people wished to continue discussing impeaching Trump, and all that Russian Collusion. After all, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Maybe this could become a permanent subject, like the enemy EurAsia in 1984?
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Authoritarians keep their power, and gain more, by abusing the power they already have.  They attack anyone who disagrees with them or threatens their power with harassment, smear campaigns, (sound familiar?) or worse.

You mean like the "Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia Russia" Scandal that was a flop

You mean the investigation that uncovered exactly how and who interfered in our election process, down to the bitcoin transactions and all of the different online identities the Russians used along with their real ones?  13 Russians, Trumps personal lawyer, his campaign chairman, deputy campaign chairman, National Security Advisor and a couple others that were part of his campaign were all indicted by grand juries and the Americans have either pled guilty or were found guilty by a jury of their peers.

How is that a flop?

The only reason anyone thinks it was a hoax or a scam is because Trump said so 10+ times a day for 2 years.  But it actually wasn't all about Trump the way he made it seem.  The investigation was into "Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections".


3 1/2 years of trying to get rid of Trump was what it was all about.

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Given most of the posts on this page and the previous page, I guess any serious Trump impeachment discussion has ended and is now devolving into conspiracy talk, Trump worship and the like. Awesome. I thought those that worship Trump and conspiracy theories had their own derivative thread to do that in.

Fair.  The 'serious' part of the discussion has definitely been going down hill.  Since the impeachment is over, I changed the subject to US Politics and updated the rules a little in OP in hopes a civil discussion can continue.

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- If you aren't interested in the opinions of those you disagree with, do not post in this thread.
- If you aren't willing to make an effort at being objective, do not post in this thread.
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- Don't be an asshole. 
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Please guys, at least make an attempt to consider each situation objectively ( ask yourself "would I have the same view of a specific situation if the parties were reversed?" ), avoid personal insults and responding to posts with political talking points from either side.


I don't like deleting posts, I'm doing it because there's obviously no intention of trying to have a serious discussion in these posts, not because I disagree with you.

Examples of things that will get your post deleted:

They even got their conspiracy theories to the Senate this time!! Impressive!!

The piss tape conspiracy wasn't half bad either.. Good entertainment..

What's next?
Trump's been Impeached.
What's next?
Twitch recommends cheating the Wall Street Journal
So what's next?
Flynn gets off.  What else is next?
Trump-Hate-a-GoGo.
State of the Union.
The babies cry about their Trump-hate.
Formal vote on "impeachment."
More Trump-hate.
Highest rating ever for Trump.
The reeking stink of the Trump-haters.
What else is next?

Ever heard of the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution?

(don't bother babbling that it does not apply to Trump)

So, you've lost. I hope you and your similarly minded propagandists and socialist operatives are finally finished with this nonsense.

Yes, lets all move on from how obviously wrong you were for supporting an illegal coup attempt perpetrated by known criminals and move to other topics! You don't like deleting posts, or you don't like deleting posts that agree with you? Seems like there are more than a few perfectly valid deleted posts above.

[Spendulus]

Given most of the posts on this page and the previous page, I guess any serious Trump impeachment discussion has ended and is now devolving into conspiracy talk, Trump worship and the like. Awesome. I thought those that worship Trump and conspiracy theories had their own derivative thread to do that in.

Fair.  The 'serious' part of the discussion has definitely been going down hill.  Since the impeachment is over, I changed the subject to US Politics and updated the rules a little in OP in hopes a civil discussion can continue.

A thread for civil discussion on US national politics, formerly known as "Donald Trump has been Impeached [Serious Discussion]" and "Donald Trump has been Impeached, what's next? [Serious Discussion]"

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- No baiting, trolling or flaming.
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I don't like deleting posts, I'm doing it because there's obviously no intention of trying to have a serious discussion in these posts, not because I disagree with you.

Examples of things that will get your post deleted:

They even got their conspiracy theories to the Senate this time!! Impressive!!

The piss tape conspiracy wasn't half bad either.. Good entertainment..

What's next?
Trump's been Impeached.
What's next?
Twitch recommends cheating the Wall Street Journal
So what's next?
Flynn gets off.  What else is next?
Trump-Hate-a-GoGo.
State of the Union.
The babies cry about their Trump-hate.
Formal vote on "impeachment."
More Trump-hate.
Highest rating ever for Trump.
The reeking stink of the Trump-haters.
What else is next?

Ever heard of the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution?

(don't bother babbling that it does not apply to Trump)

So, you've lost. I hope you and your similarly minded propagandists and socialist operatives are finally finished with this nonsense.

Yes, lets all move on from how obviously wrong you were for supporting an illegal coup attempt perpetrated by known criminals and move to other topics! You don't like deleting posts, or you don't like deleting posts that agree with you? Seems like there are more than a few perfectly valid deleted posts above.

I'd be good with some admitting they are just Trump Haters.

Why not come out of the closet?

It's no big deal and they certainly have a lot of company.

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"Lawyer Robert Barnes: Why Impeachment NEEDS a Crime - Viva Frei Live Stream HIGHLIGHT"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyN9R_MCWSA