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November 18, 2019, 10:35:45 AM
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Features proposed:
- Custom artwork
- Custom packaging
- Coloured cards depending on rank (bronze, silver, gold etc)
- Rare cards (holographic)
- Possibility of a online trading game based on Bitcointalk which links up with the cards


I'm wondering what the interest would be in creating some unofficial  Bitcointalk trading cards. These would primarily be made for collectors, although a game system would likely be included. Very much like other trading cards where they have different health, attack etc, but instead we base it on merit, posts, and activity. Possibly, even working with Vod, and his BPIP's data.

I've looked around, and even started to do some mockups on some of the cards, but honestly if I were to do this I'd get an artist to do custom artwork as my artwork leaves much to be desired. Cards would be based on the avatar of the user, and include something noteworthy as their description. This could be from big involvements they have in the forum or quotes by them.

The issue with using users avatars is copyright. If these cards were to be sold we would have to custom design the avatars to represent that user rather than their actual avatar. I believe this can be done, and certain users like Vod would have to have a completely custom artwork. It would likely be of a character licking his boob still, while wielding a "scammer whacker" mallet or something, but certainly not anything that resembles content which is copyrighted.

I've priced up different options, and the cheapest by far would be normal poker sized cards or cards similar to "top trumps". This would be around 2.75 to 2.5 inch. However, for truly rare users I believe holographic cards should be used like these (which would bump up the price):

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This gives a truly rare feel to the cards. These cards would only be used for the users that are on the top recognized over at BPIP (at the time of creation, all data would be taken from the same date)

There are two business model proposals:

1: Random cards
This business model means that you buy packs, and you receive a certain amount of cards in each pack some being rare, and some being 'normal', and they are completely random which means you could very well get duplicates. This is without the doubt the most fun, and rewarding experience. Although, I'm not sure if its the best way of going about this, and whether there would be enough interest in this approach.

My ideas on how this would work:
- 30 cards per pack
- 1-3 rare cards (holographics from users who are on the most recognized)
- Any new users who reach the top 100 (using BPIP's most recognized) will be added to future editions, same as those that dropped from rare to normal cards.
- Future editions released every 6-12 months


Unfortunately, because we aren't mass producing these ourselves, and would need to outsource them, get custom artwork done, and offer worldwide distribution these would likely be fairly expensive for trading cards. Compared to the likes of Pokemon cards for example. Especially, if there's only a handful of users interested in these. So, for things to realistically be worthwhile we would need to make these in a rather large quantity.

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Alternatively, we make the top 100 most recognized of the year, and distribute them. All of those being holographic. Whenever, a new year comes around we'll update the list so others have a chance of getting their hands on new users that enter the top 100. This would likely appeal to less people, but ultimately keep the cost down as artwork only needs to be designed for 100 cards per year (less than that because you can reuse the artwork of many of the users), and although all of these would be holographic (rare) there would be much less demand on printing them. I imagine users will only be interested if they're included within the pack.

A few of us have had several discussions about this in the past, but nothing ever comes to fruition, and we haven't really got an idea of how popular these things would be. What do you guys think? Would you be interested? I understand its a concept which you wouldn't really expect for a forum to have, but I think it would be a cool gimmick more than anything else.








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Hi , I think you’ve got the start of a great idea here and as a collector of bitcoin related goodies , this project definitely interests me.
I don’t know if this helps but another forum member has been designing some cards...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202297.msg53105752#msg53105752

May well be worth having a chat with each other . Anyway hope this helps AND hope this project can get off the ground Smiley
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Hi , I think you’ve got the start of a great idea here and as a collector of bitcoin related goodies , this project definitely interests me.
I don’t know if this helps but another forum member has been designing some cards...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202297.msg53105752#msg53105752

May well be worth having a chat with each other . Anyway hope this helps AND hope this project can get off the ground Smiley

That might actually be an alternative. Getting the people themselves to print it off so there's no issues with delivery, and personal data. However, those cards do unfortunately contain copyrighted content so making them into physical cards wouldn't be the best idea.

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If you really have concerns about the cost of printing, designing, and manufacturing these cards why not go straight and make this an online collectible instead? I know it will be half the fun of having the real physical card in your hand but I think this will considerably keep the cost down because you wouldn't have the trouble of designing and manufacturing these cards as all of them will be created digitally. You can even go down the route of creating a digital version first and for those who are interested in the physical versions of their cards will have the option to buy a physical copy of it.

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November 18, 2019, 05:34:00 PM
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If you really have concerns about the cost of printing, designing, and manufacturing these cards why not go straight and make this an online collectible instead? I know it will be half the fun of having the real physical card in your hand but I think this will considerably keep the cost down because you wouldn't have the trouble of designing and manufacturing these cards as all of them will be created digitally. You can even go down the route of creating a digital version first and for those who are interested in the physical versions of their cards will have the option to buy a physical copy of it.
Digital version of a card? That'd be literally an image. How would you play with someone online? I doubt creating an online card-playing platform is on OP's bucket list as far as this project is concerned.

@Welsh, Sounds like a brilliant idea. I wouldn't care too much about the game or anything but if I had to see my profile on a card of decks, I'd just buy for the heck of it!

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Digital version of a card? That'd be literally an image. How would you play with someone online? I doubt creating an online card-playing platform is on OP's bucket list as far as this project is concerned.

@Welsh, Sounds like a brilliant idea. I wouldn't care too much about the game or anything but if I had to see my profile on a card of decks, I'd just buy for the heck of it!
Yeah, a online trading game would be the bottom of the priority list, and probably only made if it was extremely popular. However, as you stated you'd get one if you were on it. I think a lot of users will have that sort of motivation, and won't be interested in others. It would be nice to have something like the top 500 users, and only those within the top 100 are holographic.

I'm a little geeky when it comes to collectible items for this forum in particular. I'm not big on collecting other things like comics etc. Although, my passions I love to collect gimmicky things like this.

If you really have concerns about the cost of printing, designing, and manufacturing these cards why not go straight and make this an online collectible instead? I know it will be half the fun of having the real physical card in your hand but I think this will considerably keep the cost down because you wouldn't have the trouble of designing and manufacturing these cards as all of them will be created digitally. You can even go down the route of creating a digital version first and for those who are interested in the physical versions of their cards will have the option to buy a physical copy of it.
Its not solely the fact that they'll cost a lot to manufacture. Its justifying the price for that when the intent is to sell them to users of the forum, but without putting a ridiculous price on them. Holographic cards definitely shoot the price up, where as normal cards would likely cost something like 3-5 dollars per deck if bought in large quantities. That's why I kind of wanted to gauge the interest in this as obviously larger quantities will be better.

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I'm a fan of trading card games - MTG, Hearthstone, Gwent and others, and I would most likely not be interested in bitcointalk trading cards. To me the most important aspect of trading cards is the gameplay, and I seriously doubt that whomever developing these cards would offer a better game than the ones that I've mentioned earlier. On top of that, I don't have anyone to play physical card games with, and online play seems to be unlikely. And since this would be such a niche project, there's really no choice but to focus on it being mainly a collectible.

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Would need rules and implementation. How to kill a card. Attack. Stats.. How to play, what is the goal. Will there be generic cards like "signature spammer: powers, posts in 20 topics at the same time, can do this thrice per day." ?

hahahaha.. fun, but then, how do you really play the game?

"global amageddon moderator: nuke newbie spammers and remove posts in a single click."

and then, there are the "escrows" ... what are our cards? "Dabs: keeping him on the table prevents an ICO from failing before launch. alts will be distributed at end of campaign."

I've played MTG and Mechwarrior. I think Mechwarrior was ok because it eventually died, and no new cards were being made, so the rules remained the same for several years. It's as if people were playing "Classic" ... Something similar to Type 1 or Type 2 / Extended in MTG.

As for MTG, I gave an online account to a friend, and he botted the trading of cards until he had a few hundred thousand of them. MTG Online.

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Would need rules and implementation. How to kill a card. Attack. Stats.. How to play, what is the goal. Will there be generic cards like "signature spammer: powers, posts in 20 topics at the same time, can do this thrice per day." ?
There would be rules included with each pack. This is fairly inexpensive to do. Although, the primarily focus of this would be to have it as a collectible, and not necessarily the game itself. They would probably have to be serialized, and have a hologram on the back to prove they are authentic.

It seems that there's a few individuals which are keen on the idea, but other than that there isn't a whole lot of interest across the board. So, it might be worth just doing limited editions rather than making these on mass.

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Very much like other trading cards where they have different health, attack etc, but instead we base it on merit, posts, and activity.
Surely the problem with that is that cards then become outdated. Do you release new versions every 6 to 12 months with new stats and avatars?

Digital version of a card? That'd be literally an image. How would you play with someone online? I doubt creating an online card-playing platform is on OP's bucket list as far as this project is concerned.
It could be done using non-fungible tokens on Ethereum, in the same way as games like Cryptokitties or Gods Unchained have done. There is proof of ownership, can't be duplicated or copied, can be bought/sold/traded, etc. It would also allow you to keep the cards "up-to-date" if you will, without having to reprint a whole new set as you would with physical cards.



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If these were to be popular enough, then yeah the cards would be released every 12 months or so. Although, I doubt that these would be popular enough to justify that. Therefore, the better way of going about this would likely to include limited edition cards. Possibility, scrapping the whole game system, and only including a description, avatar, and notable contributions to the forum or Bitcoin.

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Surely the problem with that is that cards then become outdated. Do you release new versions every 6 to 12 months with new stats and avatars?

Hearthstone releases cards every four months, and they make a financial killing.

https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/12/16763594/hearthstone-expensive-expansions-cost

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Hearthstone releases cards every four months, and they make a financial killing.
Ooft. What a colossal waste of money. Each to their own, I guess.

Still, my point was that releasing new physical cards every 6 months is a bit of pain, and incurs significant extra costs for printing and shipping. Releasing a new edition of digital cards, or even upgrading the old digital cards in to new ones is a much less costly process. In addition, if the cards are physical it will be very difficult for most to utilize the "game" aspect of them given the huge geographical spread of users.

Perhaps some sort of mix of both? Digital cards (perhaps utilizing a non-fungible token) which can be kept up-to-date with current forum stats and have a game element, plus the top 100 users (however you define that) to also have a collectible holographic card without the stats/game element?

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Hearthstone appeals to the masses, and has their fans fixated on their products. I don't think we'll be getting that same die hard following from a Bitcointalk forum. Especially, because I would assume users would only be interested in collecting significant figures or themselves.

I think to make this work, and not be a huge money sink it would have to be a limited time thing rather than a ongoing trading card game. Perhaps, taking the trading card game element out of it, and having them as "history collectible cards" instead.   

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Yeah.. the powers and stats would be fixed at a certain point in time, and the other features would just be for fun and not really do anything as there isn't really a "game" to play.

We have enough vitriol among the different camps on block sizes and which is the real bitcoin and even among other altcoins which has the best features or anonymity or privacy, or which raised the most funding, or even the scams.. I think if you have a card called "BitConnect", it might become a collectible simply because it's dead. (is it really dead? I'm assumning it's dead, LOL.)

Dead artists = cost more money to buy their paintings.

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Another idea would be to create cards which only include history, and a description of each card. Then potentially including a QR code on each card which links to a online game which has updated statistics, and could be played online against others users. This would be a gimmick, and not something which is to the standards of Hearthstone of course. Potentially, allowing users to buy digital cards like Hearthstone in the game, but also have a physical version for the collectors of the forum.

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What about tracking the cards on the Blockchain like the developers of the  collectible card game "Augmentors" did?  Just do not follow their example by creating your own cryptocurrency. -= Databits (DTB) =– because we need to support Bitcoin and not some new Blockchain token.  Roll Eyes  - See : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1gfkLNu9oI or Official Website - www.augmentorsgame.com

The reason why this project failed <in my opinion> was the decision to use Databits (DTB) as their currency - read more here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1757817.0  (All these Alt coins without a use case, fail eventually)  Roll Eyes

We need more games and services that use the Bitcoin Blockchain & BTC token and also something linked to Bitcointalk.org to make it more popular and to increase the demand for bitcoins.

Great project, I hope to see a special once off Satoshi Nakamoto card that would be worth millions.  <This forum was his home for a while>   Wink
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I'll take a look at the references a little later on after I get back. However, I just want it to be clear that I'm not looking to create a new token or Altcoin for this. I'm obviously a big supporter of Bitcoin, and although I moderate the Altcoin section I'm not actually invested in any cryptocurrency other than Bitcoin.

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I'll take a look at the references a little later on after I get back. However, I just want it to be clear that I'm not looking to create a new token or Altcoin for this. I'm obviously a big supporter of Bitcoin, and although I moderate the Altcoin section I'm not actually invested in any cryptocurrency other than Bitcoin.


I am very glad to hear that you are not considering a Alt coin for this. I see a lot of failed Crypto projects that are making this same mistake. They create this fancy Alt coin with the dream of this becoming a mainstream coin, because they link that to their project, but the problem is that people are looking for a token that can be used at several other merchants and only Bitcoin can give that to them now.

People also do not want to hassle jumping from one exchange to another to be able to trade with that Alt coin or token, because we know most Alt coins eventually get traded to Bitcoin in the end.

Will each card be unique or will there be multiple copies of a single card? < Example : 1 of 20 >
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November 22, 2019, 05:12:13 PM
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Will each card be unique or will there be multiple copies of a single card? < Example : 1 of 20 >
Each card would likely have a unique serial or hologram to link up with the web version, and also distinguish that its a real card. However, all art work would be the same. Depending on the business model taken then some cards will probably be more rare than others. Especially, cards like Satoshi's they should probably be made from a totally different material, and really stand out as a collectors item.

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