Is it possible to build a chat/(group chat) app on top of lightning network?

[free-sats]

Is it possible to build a chat/(group chat) app on top of lightning network?
I think it will be very popular.
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Someone is doing this already.
https://twitter.com/joostjgr/status/1190714028626251779
https://sphinx.chat/
https://kumo.chat/

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[RapTarX]

For what purpose? I don't think it's needed if you are thinking it's needed for discussion & learning or even getting help. Because, you can learn everything here in the forum. A lot of legendary are here to help you and figure out if any problem you face to. I have recently had some discussion on Lightning Network and it's my pleasure that I have learnt a lot from the forum.
By the way, a beginners guide to learn basic about Lightning Network if anyone is interested- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202798.0

[free-sats]

For what purpose? I don't think it's needed if you are thinking it's needed for discussion & learning or even getting help. Because, you can learn everything here in the forum. A lot of legendary are here to help you and figure out if any problem you face to. I have recently had some discussion on Lightning Network and it's my pleasure that I have learnt a lot from the forum.
By the way, a beginners guide to learn basic about Lightning Network if anyone is interested- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202798.0

I don't think you get my point.
I'm saying people should build a chat app on top of the lightning network, not a chat app about lighting network.

[proxydomain711]

I don't think you get my point.
I'm saying people should build a chat app on top of the lightning network, not a chat app about lighting network.

Even though he missed the point, I still don't think it would make any sense. Lightning network has fees when you send something, pretty much like a transaction data, only messages this time. Another thing is that there are already a lot of applications dedicated solely for this purpose.

Another thing to point out is the decentralization that comes into play in Lightning Network. It would bring 2 main disadvantages; [1] It would make private data somehow insecure, since it is stored in individual nodes rather that governed under a centralized secured server, and [2] Even though Lightning Network is faster than the typical blockchain in terms of response time, centralized servers are still much faster generally in performance, which is essential in having an app with the purpose of communication.

[free-sats]

Lightning network has fees when you send something, pretty much like a transaction data, only messages this time. Another thing is that there are already a lot of applications dedicated solely for this purpose.

Another thing to point out is the decentralization that comes into play in Lightning Network. It would bring 2 main disadvantages; [1] It would make private data somehow insecure, since it is stored in individual nodes rather that governed under a centralized secured server, and [2] Even though Lightning Network is faster than the typical blockchain in terms of response time, centralized servers are still much faster generally in performance, which is essential in having an app with the purpose of communication.

1 sat can be devided to 1000 pieces on the lightning network. So it's gonna be extreme cheap to send messages on the lightning network.
The message can be encoded, it's only stored on the user's device.
Centralized servers are still much faster generally in performance, but people need privacy and centralized servers will not protect their privacy.

[joniboini]

Why not apply end to end encryption or PGP?

LN is not made for that purpose. Even if you want to do it, you'll need to open a channel here and there. Pretty sure end users wouldn't want to do that and just stick with whatsapp with a fake number.

[free-sats]

Why not apply end to end encryption or PGP?
LN is not made for that purpose. Even if you want to do it, you'll need to open a channel here and there. Pretty sure end users wouldn't want to do that and just stick with whatsapp with a fake number.

LN can give people a new option to communicate with each other and keep their privacy.
You don't need to open a channel to every people.

[q3579338]

send one word and my friend receive afer one block?

[free-sats]

send one word and my friend receive afer one block?

No, it will be build on Lightning, not on chain BTC.

[bitmover]

1 sat can be devided to 1000 pieces on the lightning network. So it's gonna be extreme cheap to send messages on the lightning network.
The message can be encoded, it's only stored on the user's device.
Centralized servers are still much faster generally in performance, but people need privacy and centralized servers will not protect their privacy.

The problem I see is that users would have to pay to be able to chat (to open the channel) .

Also, once the channel is closed, messages would be lost, as far as I understand the lightning network. The messages wouldn't be on chain.

If you are thinking only about privacy, certainly there are better alternatives for a chat. Look for some Privacy friendly open source chat app here
Privacytools.io

[hatshepsut93]

Someone has already made it just recently - https://www.bitcoinlightning.com/whatsat-send-private-messages-via-the-lightning-network/

It's pretty cool compared to Whatsapp and other private messengers, because the software is open source and the app is decentralized, so there's less risks of backdoors or third parties storing logs of communication (even if the messages are encrypted, it still can be pretty bad). I don't know if this Whatsat messenger is encrypted or not, but it's always possible to implement end-to-end encryption.

[Artemis3]

Someone has already made it just recently

It's pretty cool compared to Whatsapp and other private messengers, because the software is open source and the app is decentralized, so there's less risks of backdoors or third parties storing logs of communication (even if the messages are encrypted, it still can be pretty bad). I don't know if this Whatsat messenger is encrypted or not, but it's always possible to implement end-to-end encryption.

There are many other "open source private messengers" (even p2p), that don't happen to require satoshis for sending messages. This idea is nonsense, it can be done from a theoretical point of view but its pointless and I wouldn't use it.

Take a look at the Tox protocol for better alternatives.

Whatsapp is one of the worst messengers you could possibly ever use.

[free-sats]

Also, once the channel is closed, messages would be lost, as far as I understand the lightning network. The messages wouldn't be on chain.

That can be a feature.

If you are thinking only about privacy, certainly there are better alternatives for a chat. Look for some Privacy friendly open source chat app here
Privacytools.io

I will learn about Privacytools.io. Thanks.
But chatting over Lightning is cool & exciting.

[free-sats]

There are many other "open source private messengers" (even p2p), that don't happen to require satoshis for sending messages. This idea is nonsense, it can be done from a theoretical point of view but its pointless and I wouldn't use it.

You need satoshi to send messages, but you also get satoshi to receive messages. So people won't lose any satoshi on average.
Lightning wallet and chat software can be integrated into one app. I will use it. If they can support group chat in the future, it can be a game changer in social media.

[bitmover]

So people won't lose any satoshi on average.

They will lose in fees. To open channel and to leave channel.

Also,  there are fees in lightning network. But they are small
So in average people will pay to chat .

[free-sats]

They will lose in fees. To open channel and to leave channel.
Also,  there are fees in lightning network. But they are small
So in average people will pay to chat .

But people get their privacy, think it as a kind of paid service for privacy.

[Eugenar]

I don't think you get my point.
I'm saying people should build a chat app on top of the lightning network, not a chat app about lighting network.

I don't think you're getting his point either. There's really no neew building a chat app on top of the lightning network. We already have efficient applications even in the regular network, we need the lightning network for faster transactions such as transacting cryptocurrency. If we want to build a chat application, then use basic platforms.

I am not against your plan, but for me, it is possible, if you really want then try it, maybe you could provide features from the lightning network which is quite better than usual apps.

[free-sats]

There's really no neew building a chat app on top of the lightning network. We already have efficient applications even in the regular network, we need the lightning network for faster transactions such as transacting cryptocurrency. If we want to build a chat application, then use basic platforms.

I think there is a need to build a chat app on top of the lightning network.
Someone is doing this, check this out: https://twitter.com/joostjgr/status/1190714028626251779

[Sadlife]

Yes you can there are a lot of tutorials online to do that but i dont think it can be pretty much of use when you can communicate with people here who uses lighting network there are a million user in the forum and building an app taking everything from scratch can be very hard. You can find good piece of information here if that is your after. You can even communicate with the devs here and ask for support if you're having some sort of a problem.

[bitmover]

Someone is doing this, check this out: https://twitter.com/joostjgr/status/1190714028626251779

There is a beta test already!

You should check it out.

https://sphinx.chat/

Someone on twitter asked something interesting: People could DDoS the lightning network with such a service. Need to think a way to prevent that.


There are even more interesting things that could happen inside such a platform. Merchants over the world could use that chat app to receive payments as well, not only messages.