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November 25, 2019, 10:39:25 AM
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Michael Bloomberg has thrown his name in the ring to become the Democrats Presidential nominee for the US 2020 Presidential elections, and at the moment it looks like he’ll become their champion against Trump.

I know many of you’ll will say it’s way to early to predict if he’ll be selected as their nominee, but in my defence all I can say is he has a war chest of $100 millions and the power of media hence it’s next to impossible to stop him from being thier nominee.

Now let’s take a scenario where he is their choosen leader, then we will finally be able to pronounce it as the battle of the billionaires (and this battle will have more drama than the battle of bastards GOT reference). Michael entry shall definitely have Trump worried because here’s a man who will spend unlimited cash just to take down Trump, and will also be able to use the media to influence the voters.

To be honest I’m very excited to see these two take on each other, as both have the financial might to kill each other’s campaign and finally we will be abel to witness the drama that was missing from the US Presidential elections.

Now the questions remain are: 1) To what extent will these two spend to defeat the other person, will their spending break the record of all the previous elections. 2) Will Russia switch loyalties and support Michale or will it continue to support Trump. 3) Will these two attack each other’s past business deals, and make these elections more nastier than it was when Hillary was running as the democratic candidate.

Looking forward to hear the experts i.e. Squatz1, OgNasty, Theymos, Suchmoon TwitchySeal, Franky1, Flying Hellfish and others opinion too on this.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-2020-presidency.html

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/media-mogul-bloomberg-enters-us-presidential-race-takes-aim-at-trump-11574652187553.html

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November 25, 2019, 02:32:48 PM
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Indeed he has the money to really bankroll his way to become the nominee for the Democratic Party but we have to know that people mainly vote for people mainly because of their policies and how these policies are going to impact their lives. Trump campaigned on the message of making America great again, Building walls and whole lots of things. What message is Bloomberg going to campaign on and if it's bashing Trump then we already have a lot of politicians already doing that.

 
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November 25, 2019, 03:25:01 PM
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Hm.

This is truly a tough one to look at because I think that my analysis would've been much different if Bloomberg had declared when the other candidates had declared for the Presidential. In todays day and age this is a VERY late announcement and is going to hurt because a good deal of people have already picked their candidate or are happy with the current pool of candidates.

I've seen polls in the recent weeks saying that most people -- around 50-70 percent of potential dem primary voters are saying that they dont support the new candidates and their entries (Bloomberg, Deval Patrick, etc)

But if we're straight up comparing if Bloomberg was the Dem nominee of the party, there's no doubt that Bloomberg would be able to beat Trump on paper. Bloomberg is on a different caliber of Billionaire compared to Trump -- I think Bloomberg is in the realm of $40B or so compared to Trumps reported $3b-5 and Bloomberg isn't just someone with money, he's someone that owns a fucking news company that is a major force in the world of news.

But at the end of the day, Trump is a curve ball so you'd never be able to know if he could pull it off against Bloomberg. As Bloomberg is someone who is typically only known as a rich guy from New York who supports gun control / climate change politicians across the country. That's really it.





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November 25, 2019, 04:17:24 PM
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The announcement of Bloomberg is actually a game changer for me, having it between two billionaires might send a message to the country that the highest office in the land is meant for billionaires and not for people who have all through their lives be in public service. That being said, I think if Bloomberg should get the nomination, its going to be a different narrative as the point of one or the other being influenced by those campaign contributors would then not hold water. Another thing to look out for is the tax return to be in public space would now be a discussion as if both billionaires would be willing to let this be in public space. Interesting days ahead but how Bloomberg would get the nomination without participating in debates is twist I am looking for to see happening.

 
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November 25, 2019, 05:55:23 PM
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It's bad news for Democratic primary frontrunners who will now have one more candidate to compete against, and one that will be impossible to outspend.

It's probably good news for Trump, giving him something to tweet. I'm sure there is a lot of stuff in Bloomberg's past that he can use against him.

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He's a terrible candidate. Leftists hate him due to stuff like stop&frisk, his history with women, and the mere fact that he's a billionaire. Conservatives hate him due to stuff like confiscatory gun control, fixation on climate change, pro-choice policies, and weak-borders policies. He was super supportive of the Iraq war. The defining characteristic of Bloomberg's politics is that he's an authoritarian: he wants government to control every aspect of everyone's life. He's probably an even worse candidate than Hillary Clinton, both from a "good for the world" perspective and a political perspective.

Normally I'd write him off completely, but he does have an insane amount of money. He makes Trump look middle class. If he wins the primary or especially the presidency, it'll be 100% because of his money.

His campaign is totally unprecedented because of how late he's entered the race and because nobody's ever tried to run a campaign fueled by nothing but massive piles of cash like this before. (In 2016, Trump was significantly outfunded by Clinton.) So it's difficult to predict. But I tend to think that it'll fail completely, and he'll win zero delegates.

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He's a terrible candidate. Leftists hate him due to stuff like stop&frisk, his history with women, and the mere fact that he's a billionaire. Conservatives hate him due to stuff like confiscatory gun control, fixation on climate change, pro-choice policies, and weak-borders policies. He was super supportive of the Iraq war. The defining characteristic of Bloomberg's politics is that he's an authoritarian: he wants government to control every aspect of everyone's life. He's probably an even worse candidate than Hillary Clinton, both from a "good for the world" perspective and a political perspective.

Normally I'd write him off completely, but he does have an insane amount of money. He makes Trump look middle class. If he wins the primary or especially the presidency, it'll be 100% because of his money.

His campaign is totally unprecedented because of how late he's entered the race and because nobody's ever tried to run a campaign fueled by nothing but massive piles of cash like this before. (In 2016, Trump was significantly outfunded by Clinton.) So it's difficult to predict. But I tend to think that it'll fail completely, and he'll win zero delegates.


The moderate portion of the democratic party is his target demographic and the only question that's posed here is whether he can take away votes from Joe Biden which would give either Sanders or Warren a plurality of votes based on the leftist wing of the democratic party. Joe Biden is in a fragile place. A recent poll shows Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders tied right now so Joe needs ever single moderate vote. Bloomberg has no chance as you said but I still see him stealing away votes from Biden.

Another problem Joe is facing aside from Bloomberg is Pete Buttigieg. Buttigieg is coming across as moderate and passed Kamala Harris (after Tulsi Gabbard absolutely ripped her campaign apart) in polling and is sitting nationally in 4th place. Again, fragile lead for Joe and his campaign is on the verge of collapse if Pete comes in and steals more of his moderate base.


 
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He's a terrible candidate. Leftists hate him due to stuff like stop&frisk, his history with women, and the mere fact that he's a billionaire. Conservatives hate him due to stuff like confiscatory gun control, fixation on climate change, pro-choice policies, and weak-borders policies. He was super supportive of the Iraq war. The defining characteristic of Bloomberg's politics is that he's an authoritarian: he wants government to control every aspect of everyone's life. He's probably an even worse candidate than Hillary Clinton, both from a "good for the world" perspective and a political perspective.

Normally I'd write him off completely, but he does have an insane amount of money. He makes Trump look middle class. If he wins the primary or especially the presidency, it'll be 100% because of his money.

His campaign is totally unprecedented because of how late he's entered the race and because nobody's ever tried to run a campaign fueled by nothing but massive piles of cash like this before. (In 2016, Trump was significantly outfunded by Clinton.) So it's difficult to predict. But I tend to think that it'll fail completely, and he'll win zero delegates.

+1 on all of this Theymos. We're usually pretty close on political opinions.

I don't know if anyone saw -- but Bloomberg put out an update saying that he wouldn't be using his vast media empire to dig into secrets on the people that he's going up against in the dem primary. I think the official statement was that Bloomberg reporters wouldn't be looking at Michael Bloomberg (as per usual) and his opponents in the dem primary.

Though Trump wasn't mentioned here, so yeah. Even if he doesn't win, he's going to ensure that the 'right' dem does so his interests are protected.




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He's a terrible candidate. Leftists hate him due to stuff like stop&frisk, his history with women, and the mere fact that he's a billionaire. Conservatives hate him due to stuff like confiscatory gun control, fixation on climate change, pro-choice policies, and weak-borders policies. He was super supportive of the Iraq war. The defining characteristic of Bloomberg's politics is that he's an authoritarian: he wants government to control every aspect of everyone's life. He's probably an even worse candidate than Hillary Clinton, both from a "good for the world" perspective and a political perspective.

Normally I'd write him off completely, but he does have an insane amount of money. He makes Trump look middle class. If he wins the primary or especially the presidency, it'll be 100% because of his money.

His campaign is totally unprecedented because of how late he's entered the race and because nobody's ever tried to run a campaign fueled by nothing but massive piles of cash like this before. (In 2016, Trump was significantly outfunded by Clinton.) So it's difficult to predict. But I tend to think that it'll fail completely, and he'll win zero delegates.

+1 on all of this Theymos. We're usually pretty close on political opinions.

I don't know if anyone saw -- but Bloomberg put out an update saying that he wouldn't be using his vast media empire to dig into secrets on the people that he's going up against in the dem primary. I think the official statement was that Bloomberg reporters wouldn't be looking at Michael Bloomberg (as per usual) and his opponents in the dem primary.

Though Trump wasn't mentioned here, so yeah. Even if he doesn't win, he's going to ensure that the 'right' dem does so his interests are protected.

@Theymos you have brilliantly summed up this scenario, and as you have rightly said Bloomberg has loads of cash which will indeed be a major factor in the elections. @squatz1 while I didn’t see this statement what is there to stop him from finding vulnerable information about his competitors, and supply it to other media houses?, as I don’t believe he’ll play fair to win. As far as Trump is concerned Bloomberg will target his tax returns and other business dealings, and with the money and press power on his side he’ll easily be able to influence the voters don’t you think?.

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American election is far from the amount of Dollars in your account and how you can influence the media but good policy that has positive impact on the Americans. If you said media power then remind yourself the election that produced Donald Trump, based on the media propaganda it was believed that Democrat won the election but that was not the case at the end.

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Elections are about the ignorant populace voting for a king.

Most people wish they were rich... at least a little wealthier than they are. And many of them - especially among the democrats - hate people who are extremely wealthy. But here all the wealthy-haters are, voting for a wealthy king.

What a bunch of ignoramuses. They will get what they ask for.

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American election is far from the amount of Dollars in your account and how you can influence the media but good policy that has positive impact on the Americans. If you said media power then remind yourself the election that produced Donald Trump, based on the media propaganda it was believed that Democrat won the election but that was not the case at the end.

This just isn't true in the least.

Most of it is left up to how much media you can get about your campaign. Yes -- you may be able to do better with clear plans and ideas for what you're going to do when you lead, but it's not required if you have great coverage of you -- or just coverage of you all the time by the major news networks.

Look at the Trump campaign, the guy mostly had general plans of the things that he was going to do or wanted to do. Said a lot of outlandish stuff and got tons of media attention when he knew that he needed it -- because he was in a field of 18 other GOP candidates and needed to win the nomination.

I don't recall the exact number, but due to how outlandish Trump was and how straight to the point he was I think he got a few BILLION DOLLARS in free media advertising because they were talking about him all the time.

So -- you truly just the media, and people supporting you.




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November 27, 2019, 07:18:20 PM
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American election is far from the amount of Dollars in your account and how you can influence the media but good policy that has positive impact on the Americans. If you said media power then remind yourself the election that produced Donald Trump, based on the media propaganda it was believed that Democrat won the election but that was not the case at the end.

This just isn't true in the least.

Most of it is left up to how much media you can get about your campaign. Yes -- you may be able to do better with clear plans and ideas for what you're going to do when you lead, but it's not required if you have great coverage of you -- or just coverage of you all the time by the major news networks.

Look at the Trump campaign, the guy mostly had general plans of the things that he was going to do or wanted to do. Said a lot of outlandish stuff and got tons of media attention when he knew that he needed it -- because he was in a field of 18 other GOP candidates and needed to win the nomination.

I don't recall the exact number, but due to how outlandish Trump was and how straight to the point he was I think he got a few BILLION DOLLARS in free media advertising because they were talking about him all the time.

So -- you truly just the media, and people supporting you.
You can compare the media coverage and pool of Hilary Clinton to that of Donald Trump but at the end of the day Trump won the election. But if is to get the Democrat ticket it might be possible though one can't be optimistic about it for now till we get to the end of the race for the ticket.

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1) To what extent will these two spend to defeat the other person, will their spending break the record of all the previous elections.
To the extent that the US law allows....plus more

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2) Will Russia switch loyalties and support Michale or will it continue to support Trump.

Trump still. Putin generally doesn't like MSM from the US and Trump has been vocal against some of these media outlets.

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3) Will these two attack each other’s past business deals, and make these elections more nastier than it was when Hillary was running as the democratic candidate.
I expect nothing less.

 
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1) To what extent will these two spend to defeat the other person, will their spending break the record of all the previous elections.
To the extent that the US law allows....plus more

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2) Will Russia switch loyalties and support Michale or will it continue to support Trump.

Trump still. Putin generally doesn't like MSM from the US and Trump has been vocal against some of these media outlets.

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3) Will these two attack each other’s past business deals, and make these elections more nastier than it was when Hillary was running as the democratic candidate.
I expect nothing less.


I mean these people hate the news outlets for different reasons. Putin hates them because they spew the truth about him and he isn't able to control the news in America like he controls it in Russia.

But Trump hates the MSM in the US (minus Fox, OANN, maybe the WSJ) because of the fact that they are always against him. They'll never say when he did a good thing and they'll spin everything he did likes hes the devil. That's why the 'orange man bad' memes are present and the hatred towards Trump will always be at an all time high.




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Elections are about the ignorant populace voting for a king.

Most people wish they were rich... at least a little wealthier than they are. And many of them - especially among the democrats - hate people who are extremely wealthy. But here all the wealthy-haters are, voting for a wealthy king.

What a bunch of ignoramuses. They will get what they ask for.

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I'm also pretty sure people think being a billionaire means you are a genius but that's not always the case. You can actually become a billionaire without having to be a genius or even that smart.

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I still think that if the Democrats were to pick Bloomberg, this is going to be hysterical. The Democrats have had a very large anti wealthy sentiment, they've been pushing things that the rich don't like (Wealth Tax, Higher Cap Gains taxes, etc)

But if Democrats do truly end up picking Bloomberg, that means that they've dropped a good deal of this anti Billionaire sentiment and they're willing to pick another Billionaire from Manhattan (as Trump is from NY,NY as well) to see if they can take down Trump.

The progressives are going to be pissed if this happens.




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December 05, 2019, 06:44:18 PM
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The progressives are going to be pissed if this happens.

They could easily avoid being pissed if they just turned up to vote. Voter turnout particularly in primaries is so low that just by putting down their twitfacephones for 15 minutes they could elect Bernie Warren whoeverthefucktheywant.

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The progressives are going to be pissed if this happens.

They could easily avoid being pissed if they just turned up to vote. Voter turnout particularly in primaries is so low that just by putting down their twitfacephones for 15 minutes they could elect Bernie Warren whoeverthefucktheywant.

Yeah but why do that when you can just complain about everything afterwards when you didn't even try to help change the forces in your state?

Honestly in a good deal of places, like New York, if you can mobilize another hundred of so thousand people (which truly isn't much when it comes to the total population of new york) you could change the fate of the delegate count.

But: People just don't vote in these primaries and a small percentage of people decide the fate of the election.

Source: NY 2016 Dem Presidential Primary - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_New_York_Democratic_primary




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