Another terrorist kills people in London

[vladimirhf]

That's right. The bombing is political, and in the case of the countries being bombed, the religion is political.

you really like simple answers 

[BADecker]

That's right. The bombing is political, and in the case of the countries being bombed, the religion is political.

you really like simple answers 

Solomon said, in Ecclesiastes 6:11:

The more the words, the less the meaning, and how does that profit anyone?

So lets get the answers through a brief if possible.

[vladimirhf]

Solomon said, in Ecclesiastes 6:11:

The more the words, the less the meaning, and how does that profit anyone?

So lets get the answers through a brief if possible.

Reductionism.

I see you also prefer the Bible over academic knowledge

[BADecker]

Solomon said, in Ecclesiastes 6:11:

The more the words, the less the meaning, and how does that profit anyone?

So lets get the answers through a brief if possible.

Reductionism.

I see you also prefer the Bible over academic knowledge

Why not? The Bible is better.     

[vladimirhf]

Why not? The Bible is better.    

I see.

When people hate something so much it's just a thing that they can't see in themselves. What could be worse than an extremist Christian in camo? The difference is that they have the movies and toys to dominate the culture and tell everyone that they are heroes.

"Hey look at me in my multi million dollar gear killing some starving peasants. They are evil. I'm a hero."

[BADecker]

Why not? The Bible is better.    

I see.

When people hate something so much it's just a thing that they can't see in themselves. What could be worse than an extremist Christian in camo? The difference is that they have the movies and toys to dominate the culture and tell everyone that they are heroes.

"Hey look at me in my multi million dollar gear killing some starving peasants. They are evil. I'm a hero."

Perhaps you are always honest, and always are clearly what you say you are. But that doesn't mean that other people are like you. Some people lie about who they are.

You can find people of every major religion or political party or persuasion of some sort, to be liars. Let me give you the Islam example. Islam is a religion of peace... at least that's what many Muslims like to say. But the Koran and Hadiths show something different - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. What this means is that most of the ignorant Muslims aren't really Muslims even though they say that they are... because they don't do what Islam says in the Koran.

The New Testament in the Bible doesn't suggest anything about orders for Christians to do violence. But the NT is the basis for Christianity. So, if Christians do violence, are they really Christians? Maybe they are as ignorant about their religion as Muslims are about Islam. So, don't call murderers Christians. Rather, call them what they are, murderers.

Now that you know this, are you going to remain honest? Or are you going to still call the murderers Christians, and the Muslims people of peace, just because they don't know or do their religion?

[vladimirhf]

Perhaps you are always honest, and always are clearly what you say you are. But that doesn't mean that other people are like you. Some people lie about who they are.

You can find people of every major religion or political party or persuasion of some sort, to be liars. Let me give you the Islam example. Islam is a religion of peace... at least that's what many Muslims like to say. But the Koran and Hadiths show something different - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. What this means is that most of the ignorant Muslims aren't really Muslims even though they say that they are... because they don't do what Islam says in the Koran.

The New Testament in the Bible doesn't suggest anything about orders for Christians to do violence. But the NT is the basis for Christianity. So, if Christians do violence, are they really Christians? Maybe they are as ignorant about their religion as Muslims are about Islam. So, don't call murderers Christians. Rather, call them what they are, murderers.

Now that you know this, are you going to remain honest? Or are you going to still call the murderers Christians, and the Muslims people of peace, just because they don't know or do their religion?

Same way that many Muslims can say that terrorists are not real Muslims because jihad is an internal battle to find God. Remember that in Iraq Isis was also fought by other Islamists. Arjuna, from the hinduist epic Mahabharata, fought his own people to recover his Kingdom and this is seen as symbolic story that tells about the path to illumination. I bet that if you start bombing India more extremist interpretations will show up - because the real reason is always political, disputes over territory, resources, money.

The Old Testament suggests violence against the infidels. Christians and especially the protestant Christians love to quote the old testament to justify all their hatred and prejudice. Most of war supporters in the US are fanatics too.

Thanks for your try but I already study many religions - and not only one -  for a long time.


.'. In lakesh .'.

[BADecker]

Perhaps you are always honest, and always are clearly what you say you are. But that doesn't mean that other people are like you. Some people lie about who they are.

You can find people of every major religion or political party or persuasion of some sort, to be liars. Let me give you the Islam example. Islam is a religion of peace... at least that's what many Muslims like to say. But the Koran and Hadiths show something different - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. What this means is that most of the ignorant Muslims aren't really Muslims even though they say that they are... because they don't do what Islam says in the Koran.

The New Testament in the Bible doesn't suggest anything about orders for Christians to do violence. But the NT is the basis for Christianity. So, if Christians do violence, are they really Christians? Maybe they are as ignorant about their religion as Muslims are about Islam. So, don't call murderers Christians. Rather, call them what they are, murderers.

Now that you know this, are you going to remain honest? Or are you going to still call the murderers Christians, and the Muslims people of peace, just because they don't know or do their religion?

Same way that many Muslims can say that terrorists are not real Muslims because jihad is an internal battle to find God. Remember that in Iraq Isis was also fought by other Islamists. Arjuna, from the hinduist epic Mahabharata, fought his own people to recover his Kingdom and this is seen as symbolic story that tells about the path to illumination. I bet that if you start bombing India more extremist interpretations will show up - because the real reason is always political, disputes over territory, resources, money.

The Old Testament suggests violence against the infidels. Christians and especially the protestant Christians love to quote the old testament to justify all their hatred and prejudice. Most of war supporters in the US are fanatics too.

Thanks for your try but I already study many religions - and not only one -  for a long time.


.'. In lakesh .'.

People can say all kinds of things. Some things people say are the truth. Other things are not.

The point was that the religious books show who is a follower of the religion they acknowledge. The things the religious people say about themselves doesn't always show their true religion.

Most Muslims are liars about their religion because they don't do the violence. But if they did the violence just like the Koran and Hadiths direct them to, they would have been wiped off the face of the earth long ago. ISIS is the example. The only reason ISIS people are still alive is because of the mercy of their captors.

Many Christians are liars about their religion, because they don't get into the Bible and find out what is for them and what is not. The Old Testament was given to Ancient Israel, a country that does not exist today. Just because some of the major tenets and laws that God wants all people to obey are written there, doesn't mean that the O.T. is for Christians to follow directly. The N.T. is for Christians, and there isn't any order to do violence in the N.T.

All you are doing in your post that I quoted, is attempting to go around the facts. Christians that obey the N.T. are real Christians. Muslims that obey the Koran (ISIS) are the real Muslims. The rest of them are liars and whatever else they are. But they aren't really Christians or Muslims.

[vladimirhf]

People can say all kinds of things. Some things people say are the truth. Other things are not.

The point was that the religious books show who is a follower of the religion they acknowledge. The things the religious people say about themselves doesn't always show their true religion.

Most Muslims are liars about their religion because they don't do the violence. But if they did the violence just like the Koran and Hadiths direct them to, they would have been wiped off the face of the earth long ago. ISIS is the example. The only reason ISIS people are still alive is because of the mercy of their captors.

Many Christians are liars about their religion, because they don't get into the Bible and find out what is for them and what is not. The Old Testament was given to Ancient Israel, a country that does not exist today. Just because some of the major tenets and laws that God wants all people to obey are written there, doesn't mean that the O.T. is for Christians to follow directly. The N.T. is for Christians, and there isn't any order to do violence in the N.T.

All you are doing in your post that I quoted, is attempting to go around the facts. Christians that obey the N.T. are real Christians. Muslims that obey the Koran (ISIS) are the real Muslims. The rest of them are liars and whatever else they are. But they aren't really Christians or Muslims.

summing up... violent Christians are fake Christians, violent Muslims are real Muslims, those who agree with you are saying the truth, all other are liars or ignorants. You could be a pastor and have your own church, you are very talented for the role. Muslims are 24% of the world population and all you know about them is what you see on tv.

Btw.. You said that REAL Christians follow the NT but you quoted the OT a few posts above.

[BADecker]

People can say all kinds of things. Some things people say are the truth. Other things are not.

The point was that the religious books show who is a follower of the religion they acknowledge. The things the religious people say about themselves doesn't always show their true religion.

Most Muslims are liars about their religion because they don't do the violence. But if they did the violence just like the Koran and Hadiths direct them to, they would have been wiped off the face of the earth long ago. ISIS is the example. The only reason ISIS people are still alive is because of the mercy of their captors.

Many Christians are liars about their religion, because they don't get into the Bible and find out what is for them and what is not. The Old Testament was given to Ancient Israel, a country that does not exist today. Just because some of the major tenets and laws that God wants all people to obey are written there, doesn't mean that the O.T. is for Christians to follow directly. The N.T. is for Christians, and there isn't any order to do violence in the N.T.

All you are doing in your post that I quoted, is attempting to go around the facts. Christians that obey the N.T. are real Christians. Muslims that obey the Koran (ISIS) are the real Muslims. The rest of them are liars and whatever else they are. But they aren't really Christians or Muslims.

summing up... violent Christians are fake Christians, violent Muslims are real Muslims, those who agree with you are saying the truth, all other are liars or ignorants. You could be a pastor and have your own church, you are very talented for the role. Muslims are 24% of the world population and all you know about them is what you see on tv.

Btw.. You said that Christians follow the NT but you quoted the OT a few posts above.

Everybody makes a mistake once in a while. True Christians might lose their temper, become violent, and be sorry for it later. True Muslims often make mistakes about how long to attempt to save the infidels before they execute them. But look at the difference.

A true Christian who gets carried away in the heat of the moment and acts violently, doesn't do so for very long. But a so-called true Muslim might be peaceful towards infidels for years and years. A true Christian repents of his violence in a short period of time. Some of the so-called true Muslims never repent of the peacefulness towards the infidels. So, who is going against his holy book more? The Christian or the Muslim?

Actually, the so-called Muslim has no intention of becoming violent like he is supposed to. But the Christian repents of his violence in short order, thereby showing that he is truly a Christian. Just because a person says he is a Christian or a Muslim, doesn't mean that he is. His actions tell the reality of what he is.

Most Muslims aren't Muslims, even though they say that they are. They don't even know that their Koran and Hadiths tell them to be violent, because they can barely read if at all.

There is nothing wrong with quoting the O.T. As I said above, some of the major tenets and laws that God wants all people to obey are written there. It's just that the O.T. was written for Ancient Israel. So, today's Christians are not to obey it the same way that Ancient Israel was to obey.

[Mometaskers]

It's scary to think about it but imagine if we have really small drones that can target individuals. Remember the first Ant-man movie? Something that small that's equipped with a toxin syringe. Send in a swarm to make sure at least one hits the target. That should reduce civilian casualty provided the drones can accurately identify and tag their target.

You should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJfyDTTHE4

It shows the world where micro machines are used to pollinate flowers. They were design as automated robots but of course the government wanted a piece of the tech so they modified them to spy on people. There's more to the story and it actually ends with a tragedy, but I won't spoil it for you

Fun fact, they managed to make a real flying bee drone this year. Future may come sooner than we think.

Wasn't there a Black Mirror episode where a swarm of these killed people? Yes, the government would definitely put it to their own use but people would probably find ways to disable them. Life is an arms race after all.

I tend to have a pessimistic view of human nature. People have always went to war and even outside that, continue to kill each other. Nations will always find reasons to quarrel and some of those will result in armed conflicts.

Having the option to do that in a "less" messy manner can only be a positive since it'll reduce the number of people hurt in the crossfire. I'd rather have countries dropping microbots on each other instead of nukes.

Thank you for warning us about yourself. Since you have gone this far, why don't you go the rest of the way, and turn yourself in to the police for psychic evaluation.

 

Oh yeah, wanting less suffering to befall people is a negative trait. Wanting people to not melt from a direct hit and the survivors to slowly die of various cancers and starve to death due to land being covered in fallout is evil.

[vladimirhf]

Everybody makes a mistake once in a while. True Christians might lose their temper, become violent, and be sorry for it later. True Muslims often make mistakes about how long to attempt to save the infidels before they execute them. But look at the difference.

A true Christian who gets carried away in the heat of the moment and acts violently, doesn't do so for very long. But a so-called true Muslim might be peaceful towards infidels for years and years. A true Christian repents of his violence in a short period of time. Some of the so-called true Muslims never repent of the peacefulness towards the infidels. So, who is going against his holy book more? The Christian or the Muslim?

Actually, the so-called Muslim has no intention of becoming violent like he is supposed to. But the Christian repents of his violence in short order, thereby showing that he is truly a Christian. Just because a person says he is a Christian or a Muslim, doesn't mean that he is. His actions tell the reality of what he is.

Most Muslims aren't Muslims, even though they say that they are. They don't even know that their Koran and Hadiths tell them to be violent, because they can barely read if at all.

There is nothing wrong with quoting the O.T. As I said above, some of the major tenets and laws that God wants all people to obey are written there. It's just that the O.T. was written for Ancient Israel. So, today's Christians are not to obey it the same way that Ancient Israel was to obey.

O.T. was written for Ancient Israel but you use sometimes, on your own convenience. And the Quran was written for modern days, right?

All this inconsistency is sensational. I just don't know if it's only cynical or really crazy... haha At least it's funny. I hope the dormant Muslims hear you and make you feel the true word of Allah lol

[BADecker]

Everybody makes a mistake once in a while. True Christians might lose their temper, become violent, and be sorry for it later. True Muslims often make mistakes about how long to attempt to save the infidels before they execute them. But look at the difference.

A true Christian who gets carried away in the heat of the moment and acts violently, doesn't do so for very long. But a so-called true Muslim might be peaceful towards infidels for years and years. A true Christian repents of his violence in a short period of time. Some of the so-called true Muslims never repent of the peacefulness towards the infidels. So, who is going against his holy book more? The Christian or the Muslim?

Actually, the so-called Muslim has no intention of becoming violent like he is supposed to. But the Christian repents of his violence in short order, thereby showing that he is truly a Christian. Just because a person says he is a Christian or a Muslim, doesn't mean that he is. His actions tell the reality of what he is.

Most Muslims aren't Muslims, even though they say that they are. They don't even know that their Koran and Hadiths tell them to be violent, because they can barely read if at all.

There is nothing wrong with quoting the O.T. As I said above, some of the major tenets and laws that God wants all people to obey are written there. It's just that the O.T. was written for Ancient Israel. So, today's Christians are not to obey it the same way that Ancient Israel was to obey.

O.T. was written for Ancient Israel but you use sometimes, on your own convenience. And the Quran was written for modern days, right?

All this inconsistency is sensational. I just don't know if it's only cynical or really crazy... haha At least it's funny. I hope the dormant Muslims hear you and make you feel the true word of Allah lol

Since all you want to do is blab, rather than answering what I said...

Hey, that's okay. This is a forum. Have at it.

[BADecker]

It's scary to think about it but imagine if we have really small drones that can target individuals. Remember the first Ant-man movie? Something that small that's equipped with a toxin syringe. Send in a swarm to make sure at least one hits the target. That should reduce civilian casualty provided the drones can accurately identify and tag their target.

You should watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAJfyDTTHE4

It shows the world where micro machines are used to pollinate flowers. They were design as automated robots but of course the government wanted a piece of the tech so they modified them to spy on people. There's more to the story and it actually ends with a tragedy, but I won't spoil it for you

Fun fact, they managed to make a real flying bee drone this year. Future may come sooner than we think.

Wasn't there a Black Mirror episode where a swarm of these killed people? Yes, the government would definitely put it to their own use but people would probably find ways to disable them. Life is an arms race after all.

I tend to have a pessimistic view of human nature. People have always went to war and even outside that, continue to kill each other. Nations will always find reasons to quarrel and some of those will result in armed conflicts.

Having the option to do that in a "less" messy manner can only be a positive since it'll reduce the number of people hurt in the crossfire. I'd rather have countries dropping microbots on each other instead of nukes.

Thank you for warning us about yourself. Since you have gone this far, why don't you go the rest of the way, and turn yourself in to the police for psychic evaluation.

 

Oh yeah, wanting less suffering to befall people is a negative trait. Wanting people to not melt from a direct hit and the survivors to slowly die of various cancers and starve to death due to land being covered in fallout is evil.

Pardon me. My suggestion to turn yourself in for psychiatric evaluation was just a direction that I was suggesting a little.

But now that you say that want people to suffer more and die, you really DO have a mental problem. For your own good, the NSA should track your IP address, and grab you and institutionalize you before you hurt yourself and others.

[vladimirhf]

Since all you want to do is blab, rather than answering what I said...

Do you always accuse others of doing what you do?  

what you say is pure bullshit, inconsistent, two weights two measures, for your own convenience. generalizations about tempers according to religions? I don't think this deserves an answer. I don't think you even believe it, it's just cynicism. you could write a book and call it "philosophy of my toilet - a deep breathe into my world".

[BADecker]

Since all you want to do is blab, rather than answering what I said...

Do you always accuse others of doing what you do?  

what you say is pure bullshit, inconsistent, two weights two measures, for your own convenience. generalizations about tempers according to religions? I don't think this deserves an answer. I don't think you even believe it, it's just cynicism. you could write a book and call it "philosophy of my toilet - a deep breathe into my world".

But you still didn't answer my points.

A Muslim terrorist could be obeying the Koran and Hadiths - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. If he is obeying by being a proper terrorist, he is good Muslim. A Muslim who has the opportunity to be a "righteous" terrorist in the ways the Koran and Hadiths say, but doesn't doesn't obey, might not really be a Muslim, but only a Muslim in name.

A Christian terrorist essentially doesn't exist, because there are no Christian directives in the Bible, for a Christian to do terrorism. A Christian who does terrorism is not a Christian, but if called a Christian, he is a Christian in name only.

The real terrorists in the London terrorism are the British government people who won't let the Brits have guns so they can protect themselves.

Call me how you like. But until you can answer my points with logical contradictions, you are only demeaning yourself... but maybe showing yourself to be a terrorist at heart.

[vladimirhf]

But you still didn't answer my points.

A Muslim terrorist could be obeying the Koran and Hadiths - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. If he is obeying by being a proper terrorist, he is good Muslim. A Muslim who has the opportunity to be a "righteous" terrorist in the ways the Koran and Hadiths say, but doesn't doesn't obey, might not really be a Muslim, but only a Muslim in name.

A Christian terrorist essentially doesn't exist, because there are no Christian directives in the Bible, for a Christian to do terrorism. A Christian who does terrorism is not a Christian, but if called a Christian, he is a Christian in name only.

The real terrorists in the London terrorism are the British government people who won't let the Brits have guns so they can protect themselves.

Call me how you like. But until you can answer my points with logical contradictions, you are only demeaning yourself... but maybe showing yourself to be a terrorist at heart.

do your homework

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

[BADecker]

But you still didn't answer my points.

A Muslim terrorist could be obeying the Koran and Hadiths - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm. If he is obeying by being a proper terrorist, he is good Muslim. A Muslim who has the opportunity to be a "righteous" terrorist in the ways the Koran and Hadiths say, but doesn't doesn't obey, might not really be a Muslim, but only a Muslim in name.

A Christian terrorist essentially doesn't exist, because there are no Christian directives in the Bible, for a Christian to do terrorism. A Christian who does terrorism is not a Christian, but if called a Christian, he is a Christian in name only.

The real terrorists in the London terrorism are the British government people who won't let the Brits have guns so they can protect themselves.

Call me how you like. But until you can answer my points with logical contradictions, you are only demeaning yourself... but maybe showing yourself to be a terrorist at heart.

do your homework

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/violence-more-common-in-bible-than-quran-text-analysis-reveals-a6863381.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/oct/07/iraq.usa

Now, you >>> learn how to think.

The part of the Bible for Christians is the New Testament. There is no violence directive for Christians there.

Anybody including Bush can say anything. If people don't follow the tenets of the New Testament (because that's the part of the Bible that holds the directives for people of today), they are not Christians, or at best are very weak Christians, no matter what they or anyone else says about them.

[vladimirhf]

Now, you >>> learn how to think.

The part of the Bible for Christians is the New Testament. There is no violence directive for Christians there.

Anybody including Bush can say anything. If people don't follow the tenets of the New Testament (because that's the part of the Bible that holds the directives for people of today), they are not Christians, or at best are very weak Christians, no matter what they or anyone else says about them.

All Christian churches still use the Old Testament, better ask them to remove it from the Bible. The Christians quote it all the time, including you. Maybe you could also add your own book, the Gospel of BADecker, where you can determine who are the true Christians.

[Subbir]

Today, with the exception of a couple of countries most countries are berthing to guard their citizens and travelers It seems to me that some politicians try to destabilize the planet and take it to subsequent generations. Now we aren't conscious of most of the people at the present, therefore the problem is getting more and more boredom is that the deterioration of the justice system.