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December 04, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
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I think this is important for the whole community and there are only benefits.
I also understand the struggle of some people when using English but when you leave to someone feedback it's to inform the rest of the members. At least a rule for those who are on DT, if you end up there you need to take the responsibilities as well.
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December 04, 2019, 10:15:20 PM
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Sometimes a. Feedback in local language is more important than in English.
If the scammers is scamming is Russian board, the victims probably don't even talk English.

Maybe a translation would be nice , putting the feedback in both languages.

An English feedback is useless in Portuguese board. People who go there do not speak English.
It is important just because users can see the red tag.

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December 04, 2019, 11:03:40 PM
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I agreed with bitmover but I can not disagree with iasenko. The problem raises by iasenko is a must thing (somewhat) because scammers can do their scams in local boards or in English-boards. They mostly active in locals but there is no guarentee that they won't scam in English-boards after discovered in locals and tagged by DT in local languages.

Nevertheless, I don't agree that there should be a duplicated of trust feedback on one scammer for only one scam detection. I meant if a DT members have to leave two feedbacks, one in local, one in English; it will automatically increase the level of scam severity if someone quickly look at feedback page.

If there is something like that, I think a ref link (from feedback in local to English) will be helpful, to save space and avoid duplicate.
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This user scammed in xxx local  board. blah blah blah. See the English version of the feeback, here

I have an opposite idea too. That is a local should know English (at basic level to understand it) but it is difficult to ask one should learn and know Spanish, Russian, Japanese, etc. at basic level. Therefore, if there is no option for two versions of one feedback, only English-written feedback is better.

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December 04, 2019, 11:09:11 PM
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Just use Google Translate or some other translation site. It might be even better than the sender of the feedback trying to post in English, which they would likely mangle horribly and it would be useless in any language.
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December 04, 2019, 11:09:45 PM
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Maybe the new forum could have built in translation links on posts/feedback.

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December 05, 2019, 01:22:46 AM
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I think this is important for the whole community and there are only benefits.
I also understand the struggle of some people when using English but when you leave to someone feedback it's to inform the rest of the members. At least a rule for those who are on DT, if you end up there you need to take the responsibilities as well.
Simple example of a DT feedback >


While I understand your issue, this could have some negative monoculture type results. IMO if you don't speak the language of your trading partner you should probably in general not be trading with them anyway.
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December 05, 2019, 02:58:01 AM
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The issue is nobody just start his/her jounery been a DT member, he/she will get voted in by the community so supposedly someone that was very active in his/her local board and have been tagging scammers with their local language, you don't expect that person to go through the stress of rewriting all tagged in english just because he's now a DT member.

Also tagging scammers with local language will be beneficial to the local board users especially as the scammers is operating within the local board.

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December 05, 2019, 03:02:11 AM
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Not difficult to learn one line of writing into English, without using google translator I think it's easy, trust from DT.
I agree with @iasenko proposal to make it easier for other members to read and rate.
Yes, of course, all DTs should look at this topic about this discourse, but I am not sure because trust is not moderated, which is an obstacle, everyone thinks emotionally.

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December 05, 2019, 05:15:14 AM
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If the Feedback is given to a other User in the local Board it should be written in the local Board language, because there a few users they dont understand english!
If Feedback is given in english Boards it should be in english written .

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If the Feedback is given to a other User in the local Board it should be written in the local Board language, because there a few users they dont understand english!
If Feedback is given in english Boards it should be in english written .
Personally, English is a must. Local boards help locals but English is a must to join the forum, IMO. In addition, a negative feedback helps the others (not locals) have an overview on one account that received feedback. So if feedback is not written in English, it is a challenging for them to understand. Using Google translator is not a solution.

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Posts in Local boards count in the millions, and one of the reasons people posts there is because they don't feel their English is good enough to post on the main forum or worse. So you can't expect they'll be posting their Trust ratings in English. If it's in their own language then even if a dictionary/google translate/etc fails to do its job, a native speaker can still understand what the comments say. But if Google Translate (or other tool they'd use if they were to be forced to leave Trust feedback in English) mistranslates the comment then everyone will be left confused.

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December 05, 2019, 07:07:43 AM
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Feedback Language

Local board: - Can be in local language or English (People usually comment in local language, but no problem in English since they mostly know about it)
Global board: - Must be in English (English is the international language)


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December 05, 2019, 07:19:08 AM
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IMHO, Google Translate would do the job nicely. After all like the others have mentioned, there are non-English speakers so they might not be able to convey their thoughts in English.

Alternatively, just ask a local member there to help translate?

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December 05, 2019, 08:38:38 AM
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Maybe somebody should start a project to help the local members learn English.

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Maybe somebody should start a project to help the local members learn English.
Do you mean like a small forum project?
Then, theymos will assign a single English teacher on each local board?
Not a bad idea, sir. But I doubt theymos still has no BTC to pay some English teachers. We know that it is used for the rewards of the art contest.


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We can't say everyone in this world can speak English but this forum is mainly based on English and I guess anyone using internet might have basic english skills so I prefer adding some "Hints to no english feedback with English".

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December 05, 2019, 09:29:00 AM
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Often, in cases such as the one shown on the captured screen in the OP, the reference links (if present) point to Archival content or posts that are also in a local language. The feedback is an indicator to the facts, but the reference is often the evidence of them. It seems that both being aligned in the same (local) language would be more beneficial, if the case reported is related to evidence produced in a local board, where most of the potential viewers of that feedback and evidence will be locals.

I think that the main local language should prevail as the language used in feedback, since that is where the core aim of the feedback is aimed to be read in operational terms.

The idea of having the capability to provide dual language feedback for (at least) DTs is fine, but , as pointed out on this thread, many feedback entries may have been provided before becoming DT, so the mandatory part to it is would not be that simple. Besides, there are probably quite a few DTs (DT1, DT2) that do not master English well enough to make the entries in comprehensible dual language.
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December 05, 2019, 09:59:03 AM
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I think that even if feedback is given for a trade done in a local board it should still be in English + the local language (optional). If the person writing the feedback can't speak English it isn't that hard to ask someone who does speak English for help in the local section. Yes, google translate is an option but not the ideal tool.

Maybe somebody should start a project to help the local members learn English.
Do you know anyone who would be interested in doing that?  Grin Maybe JetAid?

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Sometimes a. Feedback in local language is more important than in English.
If the scammers is scamming is Russian board, the victims probably don't even talk English.
I think it would be great if all trust feedback were written in English, but I agree with the above.  It's important that the feedback sender write as clearly as possible even if that isn't in English.  If someone thinks a feedback is important enough to read, it's easy enough to google translate it back into English.

I'm not sure how many DT members speak so little English that they couldn't write their feedbacks in it, but I'd probably agree that they ought to if they have enough proficiency.  I think the vast majority of members here are either native English speakers or are fluent in it and nearly everyone could probably understand a feedback even if it was written in garbled English.

To me, this isn't a huge deal because I have yet to run across a red trust that I couldn't understand or felt the need to translate.  And since this is the first time I've seen this issue brought up, my guess is that I'm not alone.

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