Re: 0.212 bitcoin Youtube/FanArt contest 🔥 Bitsler.com Birthday!

[mudiz]

I will continue the discussion in this new topic, as the OP closed the other one so nobody else could complain (original topic).

There were 80 entries and there can only be 10 winners unfortunately. The admins chose the winners and the winners are final. Better luck next time

What an unfair contest.

Not only they took 2 more days than planned to announce the winners (which would have been fine, if they at least gave prior notice about that, and they didn't), but most of the winners' entries simply have horrible quality. There were many good videos and images than didn't win anything, and they were way better than the works of the actual winners.

But that's not the worst thing here, the worst thing is that most of the winners didn't meet all the requirements for the contest. If you are going to set rules, you can at least follow them and not give prizes to those that didn't follow the contest's rules.

These are the rules: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203338.msg53138108#msg53138108

They wanted "original" content, and the first place is a video template, great!

The videos had to last between 30 seconds and 5 minutes, and there were winners with less than 30 seconds and more than 5 minutes.

And there were also some required text to put in the title and description of the videos, and some of the winners didn't do that.

Full list:
- 1st place: Made with a video template, it's not original. It doesn't say "Gambling" in the description.
- 3rd place: Made with an image template, it's not original.
- 6th place: More than 5 minutes. It doesn't say "Gambling" in the description.
- 7th place: It doesn't say "Gambling" in the description.
- 8th place: Less than 30 seconds.
- 9th place: Made with a video template, it's not original. It doesn't say "Gambling" in the description.

So, 6 out of 10 entries didn't follow the rules, wow.

Besides all of this, a couple of the winners clearly used multiaccounts to boost their likes and comments, nice.

Next time you make a contest, follow your own rules Bitsler, it's not that hard, I did all the rule checks of the winners in 5 minutes. You took 2 extra days for that, so we can at the very least expect that all the winners followed the rules.

I don't expect to change the results with this post or whatever, I just wanted to say how unfair and poorly ran the contest was.

Many spent several hours editing nice videos or creating great images, and they also followed the rules, so next time don't waste our time with your unfair contests, follow your own rules.

[ritaconscience]

Imagine giving 1st place to someone who literally paid someone else to make an entry for them

[rijaljun]

I wonder, Is it possible for everyone to have different points of view about originality? Is it possible that someone will have different definition about originality with others? Are there standards for it?

[mudiz]

Imagine giving 1st place to someone who literally paid someone else to make an entry for them

Yeah literally what happened, pretty sad for those who spent hours and hours making their entries.

I wonder, Is it possible for everyone to have different points of view about originality? Is it possible that someone will have different definition about originality with others? Are there standards for it?

I agree that may be possible. For me, using a template where you just have to insert texts and images to obtain your video isn't original at all, but others could think differently.

But, although I complained about that, it's not the main issue here. The real problem is that more than half of the winners didn't meet all the rules of the contest, and that doesn't depend on "taste".

It doesn't matter if your work is 100% original or a template, everyone should follow the rules, especially the Bitsler staff.

[Joel_Jantsen]

Looks like you're butthurt because you didn't win. What are you going on about? Did you participate in the contest? Can you show us your video?

Regardless of whatever the contest rules are, it's really upto the contest owners to determine the winners. BitSler's team isn't one of those shady sites that will participate in the contest with their own accounts for a few BTC's. Maybe they didn't follow the rules, maybe they used the template but at the end of the day, if it pleases the team, it's upto them how they distribute the prizes. A legend once said Life is unfair, don't whine about it.

[JeromeTash]

At the end of the day, they are the sponsors of the contest, so they have the choice to pick whichever entry they felt pleased them... You can't do anything about that.

If you have ever participated in contents then you should be well aware that not every body will win the prize. No need to waste time complaining because it still won't change who the winners were.

[examplens]

OP, can you post links to all videos from this contest, also I would like to see yours?
p.s. Why you do not post from your original account here?

At the end of the day, they are the sponsors of the contest, so they have the choice to pick whichever entry they felt pleased them... You can't do anything about that.

If you have ever participated in contents then you should be well aware that not every body will win the prize. No need to waste time complaining because it still won't change who the winners were.

Exactly, they pay what they like, his money, his decision.

[mudiz]

Looks like you're butthurt because you didn't win. What are you going on about? Did you participate in the contest? Can you show us your video?

I have participated in a lot of contests, sometimes I win, sometimes I don't, and I always just accept the results and go on in life. What's different this time and which never happened before to me (at least at this scale) is that more than half of the winners didn't follow the contest rules.

All the entries of the contest can be found here, I prefer to remain "anonymous" for this, as my identity doesn't really affect the point I'm making anyway.

Regardless of whatever the contest rules are, it's really upto the contest owners to determine the winners. BitSler's team isn't one of those shady sites that will participate in the contest with their own accounts for a few BTC's. Maybe they didn't follow the rules, maybe they used the template but at the end of the day, if it pleases the team, it's upto them how they distribute the prizes. A legend once said Life is unfair, don't whine about it.

Rules are there for a reason, they limit what you can or cannot do in a contest. If some follow rules and others don't, those who don't follow the rules (limitations) will have an advantage, which is pretty unfair for those that spent a lot of time making their entries and carefully followed the rules. It's just dishonest and disrespectful from the admins, and it hurts the image of Bitsler overall.

There was also a giveaway recently and not all the terms were clear, resulting in some users complaining about that too. It would be nice if Bitsler was more careful with their terms and they follow them accordingly.

And again, I know life is unfair and etc, and I don't expect to change the results with this topic, it's mostly just a warning for people thinking to join future contests, so they don't waste their time as many of us did. Editing videos is pretty time consuming, and it feels bad to put a lot of effort in a video and then find out the winners didn't even follow the rules.

[mudiz]

At the end of the day, they are the sponsors of the contest, so they have the choice to pick whichever entry they felt pleased them... You can't do anything about that.

If you have ever participated in contents then you should be well aware that not every body will win the prize. No need to waste time complaining because it still won't change who the winners were.

I understand and I don't want to change who the winners were, as I said, it's more just to warn others that no matter if you follow the rules of the contest, Bitsler may only choose whatever looks better, even if they break their own rules.

And I'm not talking about their taste for videos, there is always some subjectivity involved, so what I think looks better may not be the same for them, and I'm fine with that. The problem here are the contest terms which were not followed by the Bitsler staff itself, and rules shouldn't be "subjective" in these cases.

OP, can you post links to all videos from this contest, also I would like to see yours?
p.s. Why you do not post from your original account here?

Videos can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203338.0
I just prefer to remain anonymous, but that doesn't really matter anyway and doesn't change my point, I could even be one of the winners and it would be the same.

Exactly, they pay what they like, his money, his decision.

I agree, and I wouldn't have any problem if all the winners followed the rules, even if their videos were horrible and poorly done. I don't mind subjectivity in contests, but I find annoying and disrespectful that the admins of the contest didn't follow their own rules.

[examplens]

Videos can be found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203338.0

You have the right here, few videos have been removed for violating YouTube's TOS. But, I think now it's over, awards were delivered.
Maybe you can attract Isildur (official) attention for the next time.

I just prefer to remain anonymous, but that doesn't really matter anyway and doesn't change my point, I could even be one of the winners and it would be the same.

Whatever, I am not sure how much people you know personally from here, I guess you are anonymous for almost all users here.

[LoyceV]

Looks like you're butthurt because you didn't win. What are you going on about? Did you participate in the contest? Can you show us your video?

I don't think any of this is relevant to this accusation.

Regardless of whatever the contest rules are, it's really upto the contest owners to determine the winners. BitSler's team isn't one of those shady sites that will participate in the contest with their own accounts for a few BTC's. Maybe they didn't follow the rules, maybe they used the template but at the end of the day, if it pleases the team, it's upto them how they distribute the prizes.

I'm with OP on this one. A contest is meant to get good publicity, and especially if it's held by a reputable site, I would expect them to follow their own rules to the letter (or at least as much as possible).

At the end of the day, they are the sponsors of the contest, so they have the choice to pick whichever entry they felt pleased them... You can't do anything about that.

You can't get them to change it afterwards, but you can call them out like OP did.

Of course not everybody wins, but I don't think that's the point here.

Note: I didn't really follow the contest, I didn't join, and I'm not into making FanArt. But when I see a contest, I do like it when it follows it's own rules, and a quick check shows that winner 7 had a 14 seconds video (less than half of what's required).

* LoyceV has ran several contests in the past and likes strict rules. That makes it clear for all participants.

[ryzaadit]

few videos have been removed for violating YouTube's TOS.

No, the owners of the video deleting the video by himself. Youtube doesn't have a TOS for a gambling video.

Since the contest has some a few drama from the rules itself, i believe everyone who participates at bitsler campaign feels it's not really fair they decide to take down the video. Cause they also not getting a benefit keeping the video on their channel since bitsler also broke his own rules.

[Rikafip]

few videos have been removed for violating YouTube's TOS.

No, the owners of the video deleting the video by himself. Youtube doesn't have a TOS for a gambling video.

No, some videos among those  that were rewarded  have been removed by YouTube, this is what you get if you check videos submitted by fsn32, @WayTopper and @traceyhayley



Why would they remove videos by themselves since they won the reward? That wouldn't make much sense.

Here is the post with all the winners
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203338.msg53138112#msg53138112

[examplens]

few videos have been removed for violating YouTube's TOS.

No, the owners of the video deleting the video by himself. Youtube doesn't have a TOS for a gambling video.

No, some videos among those  that were rewarded  have been removed by YouTube, this is what you get if you check videos submitted by fsn32, @WayTopper and @traceyhayley



Why would they remove videos by themselves since they won the reward? That wouldn't make much sense.

Here is the post with all the winners
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203338.msg53138112#msg53138112

If they the unauthorized use someone else sounds, or video without the permission of the author YT going to remove them. No matter is it gambling video or home party.
Youtube TOS is very clear and strict about intellectual property.

[ryzaadit]

No, some videos among those  that were rewarded  have been removed by YouTube, this is what you get if you check videos submitted by fsn32, @WayTopper and @traceyhayley



Why would they remove videos by themselves since they won the reward? That wouldn't make much sense.

Here is the post with all the winners
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203338.msg53138112#msg53138112

Oh my bad!

I tough the video got a takedown from youtube because of a gambling topic, and from non-winner users who deleting their own video cause not selected as the winner contest.

Youtube TOS is very clear and strict about intellectual property.

Yeah very strict about "copyright" some of contents sometimes can still exist at youtube, but the Adsense for the original creator.

[mudiz]

You have the right here, few videos have been removed for violating YouTube's TOS. But, I think now it's over, awards were delivered.
Maybe you can attract Isildur (official) attention for the next time.

Lol yeah some of the videos of the winners were removed from Youtube, that's just sad.

No one from the Bitsler staff has said anything about this yet (afaik), and I don't really expect them to, tbh. But I would appreciate it.

I'm with OP on this one. A contest is meant to get good publicity, and especially if it's held by a reputable site, I would expect them to follow their own rules to the letter (or at least as much as possible).

You can't get them to change it afterwards, but you can call them out like OP did.

Of course not everybody wins, but I don't think that's the point here.

Note: I didn't really follow the contest, I didn't join, and I'm not into making FanArt. But when I see a contest, I do like it when it follows it's own rules, and a quick check shows that winner 7 had a 14 seconds video (less than half of what's required).

* LoyceV has ran several contests in the past and likes strict rules. That makes it clear for all participants.

Thanks for understanding the real issue here.

I also expected them to follow their own rules, especially as they are a reputable casino website on this forum, that's why I decided to participate in the first place.

This topic is mostly just a warning for other users, I don't expect anything else from this accusation.

[Joel_Jantsen]

I don't think any of this is relevant to this accusation.

True. It's just frustrating to see people posting accusations from throwaway accounts. If they're certain their accusation is valid, why they need to hide behind new accounts? That's the reason I requested their participation video.

I'm with OP on this one. A contest is meant to get good publicity, and especially if it's held by a reputable site, I would expect them to follow their own rules to the letter (or at least as much as possible).

Does that mean they should award prizes to a video that is terrible in quality but had followed all the rules or a video that is of extremely high quality but has missed out on couple of points? Doesn't the final decision remain to the contest creators despite of the rules stated?

[LoyceV]

True. It's just frustrating to see people posting accusations from throwaway accounts. If they're certain their accusation is valid, why they need to hide behind new accounts? That's the reason I requested their participation video.

Bitcointalk can be quite harsh when it comes to reputations, and I remember a post from theymos a long time ago, in which he says it's better to create an alt-account to speak your mind than not to speak at all if you don't dare post it from your main account.

Does that mean they should award prizes to a video that is terrible in quality but had followed all the rules or a video that is of extremely high quality but has missed out on couple of points? Doesn't the final decision remain to the contest creators despite of the rules stated?

I haven't checked all contributions, OP's claim is that there were much better entries that didn't win.
But even if that's true, they should have anticipated that by making better rules But that's for next time if they learn from this.

[actmyname]

True. It's just frustrating to see people posting accusations from throwaway accounts. If they're certain their accusation is valid, why they need to hide behind new accounts? That's the reason I requested their participation video.

Bitcointalk can be quite harsh when it comes to reputations, and I remember a post from theymos a long time ago, in which he says it's better to create an alt-account to speak your mind than not to speak at all if you don't dare post it from your main account.

The problem, of course, being people's stringent requirement of the exact opposite for an idea to even be remotely considered.

Much of the time, even on a subconscious level, we have newbie accounts dismissed -- yes, it does make sense to remain skeptical, though I'm sure that many of the veterans will note that the skepticism is quite severe.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

It's the reason i never waste my time in such contests. You can never know how the "Judges" are going to turn out. Best thing to do to prevent such heartbreaks is to avoid contests of that nature. If you try to argue that their selections were not good or unfair, they will always point out to the Terms and Conditions one of which is the famous "Judge's decision is final"

[mudiz]

True. It's just frustrating to see people posting accusations from throwaway accounts. If they're certain their accusation is valid, why they need to hide behind new accounts? That's the reason I requested their participation video.

There are many reasons for which one could decide to remain anonymous in these cases, and that's not a bad thing as long as the claims are well done (with verifiable proofs, etc). In my case, I just like my anonimity, that's all. Knowing which is my video won't change anything for this accusation.

Does that mean they should award prizes to a video that is terrible in quality but had followed all the rules or a video that is of extremely high quality but has missed out on couple of points? Doesn't the final decision remain to the contest creators despite of the rules stated?

They should try to follow their own rules as much as possible, otherwise they shouldn't put so many strict rules. There may be a couple of exceptions if the entries are really well done and worth it, but 6 out of 10 entries didn't meet all the rules here, that's a bit too much (and most of the videos of the winners weren't that good anyway to "justify" breaking the rules). There were a couple of entries that were really good and followed all the rules but didn't win, sadly the creators already deleted the videos so I can't show them to you anymore.

Bitcointalk can be quite harsh when it comes to reputations, and I remember a post from theymos a long time ago, in which he says it's better to create an alt-account to speak your mind than not to speak at all if you don't dare post it from your main account.

I haven't checked all contributions, OP's claim is that there were much better entries that didn't win.
But even if that's true, they should have anticipated that by making better rules But that's for next time if they learn from this.

100% agree.

It's the reason i never waste my time in such contests. You can never know how the "Judges" are going to turn out. Best thing to do to prevent such heartbreaks is to avoid contests of that nature. If you try to argue that their selections were not good or unfair, they will always point out to the Terms and Conditions one of which is the famous "Judge's decision is final"

That's true most of the times, sadly. And this one has been the worst case for me by far (and I have participated in many contests).

Although in this case they can't even point out to the Terms and Conditions, as they broke their own rules, lol.

[Isildur (official)]

I didn't know about this thread or I would've replied sooner. All winners did follow the rule of not abusing the promotion through multi accounting. Everything else were only guidelines as as you'll be able to see in the new Image contest at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212104.msg53425784#msg53425784, there are still no rules as it's mostly guidelines.

[mudiz]

I didn't know about this thread or I would've replied sooner.

I'm a newbie so I can't send PMs here, but I tried to let you know by sending the link to the Bitsler chat, but it was removed without any comment.

All winners did follow the rule of not abusing the promotion through multi accounting. Everything else were only guidelines as as you'll be able to see in the new Image contest at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212104.msg53425784#msg53425784, there are still no rules as it's mostly guidelines.

Guidelines? That sounds like a cheap excuse.

Those were rules clearly, anybody can see that.

[Isildur (official)]

I didn't know about this thread or I would've replied sooner.

I'm a newbie so I can't send PMs here, but I tried to let you know by sending the link to the Bitsler chat, but it was removed without any comment.

All winners did follow the rule of not abusing the promotion through multi accounting. Everything else were only guidelines as as you'll be able to see in the new Image contest at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5212104.msg53425784#msg53425784, there are still no rules as it's mostly guidelines.

Guidelines? That sounds like a cheap excuse.

Those were rules clearly, anybody can see that.

Is this your main account? The account that you entered with?

It's sounds like you can't link me to where it says "rules" anywhere in the post. I'm guessing this is the meat of your message and problem with that contest and it's simply no where to be seen.

I really consider this reputation thread a slam dunk unless if someone has something good to argue like the guidelines weren't good, in which case I would agree and that's why all feedbacks have been added and will be part of any new fandom contests.

Edit: you can get a hold of me on https://twitter.com/isildur___x_x as well so next time new accounts won't be an excuse to post off topic conversation on threads.

Edit: I'm not sure why you keep editing your posts, just make new ones, it's almost like you are trying to answer my replies on previous messages. Not sure why you said you would continue talking here if you are constantly replying to old threads in games and rounds section either and then remove that you said you would reply here.

[mudiz]

Is this your main account? The account that you entered with?

It's sounds like you can't link me to where it says "rules" anywhere in the post. I'm guessing this is the meat of your message and problem with that contest and it's simply no where to be seen.

I really consider this reputation thread a slam dunk unless if someone has something good to argue like the guidelines weren't good, in which case I would agree and that's why all feedbacks have been added and will be part of any new fandom contests.

Edit: you can get a hold of me on https://twitter.com/isildur___x_x as well so next time new accounts won't be an excuse to post off topic conversation on threads.

Please, check all the posts of this topic, all the rules broken and issues were already discussed.

These are clearly rules. And you just said that winners followed the rule of "not multiaccounting", well the "more than 30 seconds and less than 5 minutes" rule is in the same category of that one, and some winners had more than 5 minutes and less than 30 seconds (that's just one of the cases).

Important:
- Multi-accounts will be disqualified.
- Video must be posted on Youtube and show public (not unlisted or private)
- Only original content will qualify
- Youtube video must have Bitsler in the title and Gambling + Bitsler username in the description
- Youtube video should not be less than 30 seconds but no longer than 5 minutes
- Must be posted/uploaded within the duration period
- Fan Art should contain Bitsler and Bitcoin if possible

P.S.: I saw that you locked the other topic where I commented this issue to warn others and created a new self-moderated topic. I have no issue with that and I may not comment in the new topic again if you continue the conversation here and stop ignoring the problem.

[Isildur (official)]

Is this your main account? The account that you entered with?

It's sounds like you can't link me to where it says "rules" anywhere in the post. I'm guessing this is the meat of your message and problem with that contest and it's simply no where to be seen.

I really consider this reputation thread a slam dunk unless if someone has something good to argue like the guidelines weren't good, in which case I would agree and that's why all feedbacks have been added and will be part of any new fandom contests.

Edit: you can get a hold of me on https://twitter.com/isildur___x_x as well so next time new accounts won't be an excuse to post off topic conversation on threads.

Please, check all the posts of this topic, all the rules broken and issues were already discussed.

These are clearly rules. And you just said that winners followed the rule of "not multiaccounting", well the "more than 30 seconds and less than 5 minutes" rule is in the same category of that one, and some winners had more than 5 minutes and less than 30 seconds (that's just one of the cases).

Important:
- Multi-accounts will be disqualified.
- Video must be posted on Youtube and show public (not unlisted or private)
- Only original content will qualify
- Youtube video must have Bitsler in the title and Gambling + Bitsler username in the description
- Youtube video should not be less than 30 seconds but no longer than 5 minutes
- Must be posted/uploaded within the duration period
- Fan Art should contain Bitsler and Bitcoin if possible

P.S.: I saw that you locked the other topic where I commented this issue to warn others and created a new self-moderated topic. I have no issue with that and I may not comment in the new topic again if you continue the conversation here and stop ignoring the problem.

Okay, those are not rules, those are guidelines and there I marked them as Important only. Users did ask me if they could post longer videos and I said yes as those are only guidelines.

After I saw you do more off topic posts I thought it best because I see you are not keeping with what you said anyways and I don't want to report more off topic posts though I'm always open to answer here or in an on topic thread.

True. It's just frustrating to see people posting accusations from throwaway accounts. If they're certain their accusation is valid, why they need to hide behind new accounts? That's the reason I requested their participation video.

Bitcointalk can be quite harsh when it comes to reputations, and I remember a post from theymos a long time ago, in which he says it's better to create an alt-account to speak your mind than not to speak at all if you don't dare post it from your main account.

Does that mean they should award prizes to a video that is terrible in quality but had followed all the rules or a video that is of extremely high quality but has missed out on couple of points? Doesn't the final decision remain to the contest creators despite of the rules stated?

I haven't checked all contributions, OP's claim is that there were much better entries that didn't win.
But even if that's true, they should have anticipated that by making better rules But that's for next time if they learn from this.

I'll ask you the same thing I asked OP, what rules are you referring to and please don't say the contents that fell under Important or some other type of assumptions either. I was in charge of this contest, not Bitsler so all reputation or accusations are to me directly.

It's the reason i never waste my time in such contests. You can never know how the "Judges" are going to turn out. Best thing to do to prevent such heartbreaks is to avoid contests of that nature. If you try to argue that their selections were not good or unfair, they will always point out to the Terms and Conditions one of which is the famous "Judge's decision is final"

Actually the opposite, OP is the one pointing what he/she perceives to be as rules and I never did but rather I will take all feedback into account as we have on the contest that followed this one.

Looks like you're butthurt because you didn't win. What are you going on about? Did you participate in the contest? Can you show us your video?

I don't think any of this is relevant to this accusation.

Regardless of whatever the contest rules are, it's really upto the contest owners to determine the winners. BitSler's team isn't one of those shady sites that will participate in the contest with their own accounts for a few BTC's. Maybe they didn't follow the rules, maybe they used the template but at the end of the day, if it pleases the team, it's upto them how they distribute the prizes.

I'm with OP on this one. A contest is meant to get good publicity, and especially if it's held by a reputable site, I would expect them to follow their own rules to the letter (or at least as much as possible).

At the end of the day, they are the sponsors of the contest, so they have the choice to pick whichever entry they felt pleased them... You can't do anything about that.

You can't get them to change it afterwards, but you can call them out like OP did.

Of course not everybody wins, but I don't think that's the point here.

Note: I didn't really follow the contest, I didn't join, and I'm not into making FanArt. But when I see a contest, I do like it when it follows it's own rules, and a quick check shows that winner 7 had a 14 seconds video (less than half of what's required).

* LoyceV has ran several contests in the past and likes strict rules. That makes it clear for all participants.

These contests aren't for publicity as we know they won't get much traction.

P.S.: I saw that you locked the other topic where I commented this issue to warn others and created a new self-moderated topic. I have no issue with that and I may not comment in the new topic again if you continue the conversation here and stop ignoring the problem.

You've been editing this part of your past message over and over again. You said this and then went and posted in an old thread again long after I answered you here.