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December 07, 2019, 07:58:07 PM
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I've had a slew of recent vulgar responses from my posts recently and I figure, if everyone think's they're so smart...Post here.  Why do you think you know more about Bitcoin than me.  I made 20,000 dollars trading it right in 2017 and ever since then the forced buys have gotten out of hand.  I have experience and I know there's a problem with buys even if this forum wont admit it.

I implore you if you're not going to be an ass.  Please ...tell me why I need to consider your opinion especially if it's rude and vulgar?  And besides that.  if you aren't, state your experience if you would like.

I could claim to be an expert and it would be valid but I don't.  There seems to be a lot of other people here who claim to be experts just because they harass people though.

If you reply with a reponse I do not agree with however I do warn you I will respond and refute your claim.  This is how real life works.
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December 07, 2019, 08:31:13 PM
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i don't really have a way to prove i know more than you, especially since i've been absent from the forum here for years...

but based on a quick read of your last couple of very active threads here, i noticed a couple of things. you were upset about manipulation, specifically on Binance exchange, which by your own admission you think comes from china, and you were trying to get the US SEC involved, among others, to do something about it.

assuming i got that correct, here's the obvious problems that jump out:
SEC can't do anything about anyone outside the US, period, ever. they're a US governing body, governing things in the US. sure, binance maydo business in the US, but are they based there? is their HQ in the US? i am only vaguely familiar with them by name, so have no honest idea... but, more importantly, the traders who are DOING the manipulating via binance - they are, in your own opinion, in china, yes? well, what are american lawyers, federal investigators or SEC officials supposed to do about that? they have no authority or power there in any way. literally none, same as me walking into a bank in the US and saying "you are committing fraud, stop!" even if i could actually PROVE the bank was committing fraud with a mile-high stack fo incontrovertible math-based evidence from records that can't be altered, so what? i have no authority over that bank.

further, all bitcoin exchanges are unregulated, as far as i am aware. again, been out of touch a while, but i think this is still true. the transfer of funds in and out is regulated, very strictly, yes. but the trading? not at all. i think, and could be quite wrong, mind you, that similar buy and sell "walls" from "whales" can and do legally happen on even the vaunted NYSE. it's the game we play, generally. like in poker, ya bluff and call the other guys bluff and try and trick each other.

and yet here you are, saying you've made some 10,000 dollars, and your bitching. you know how much btc i have? last i did the math, about less than a cent. why are you complaining when you have come out of this so well?

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December 07, 2019, 08:45:08 PM
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i don't really have a way to prove i know more than you, especially since i've been absent from the forum here for years...

but based on a quick read of your last couple of very active threads here, i noticed a couple of things. you were upset about manipulation, specifically on Binance exchange, which by your own admission you think comes from china, and you were trying to get the US SEC involved, among others, to do something about it.

assuming i got that correct, here's the obvious problems that jump out:
SEC can't do anything about anyone outside the US, period, ever. they're a US governing body, governing things in the US. sure, binance maydo business in the US, but are they based there? is their HQ in the US? i am only vaguely familiar with them by name, so have no honest idea... but, more importantly, the traders who are DOING the manipulating via binance - they are, in your own opinion, in china, yes? well, what are american lawyers, federal investigators or SEC officials supposed to do about that? they have no authority or power there in any way. literally none, same as me walking into a bank in the US and saying "you are committing fraud, stop!" even if i could actually PROVE the bank was committing fraud with a mile-high stack fo incontrovertible math-based evidence from records that can't be altered, so what? i have no authority over that bank.

further, all bitcoin exchanges are unregulated, as far as i am aware. again, been out of touch a while, but i think this is still true. the transfer of funds in and out is regulated, very strictly, yes. but the trading? not at all. i think, and could be quite wrong, mind you, that similar buy and sell "walls" from "whales" can and do legally happen on even the vaunted NYSE. it's the game we play, generally. like in poker, ya bluff and call the other guys bluff and try and trick each other.

and yet here you are, saying you've made some 10,000 dollars, and your bitching. you know how much btc i have? last i did the math, about less than a cent. why are you complaining when you have come out of this so well?

good job at not cussing more than once.  I read your entire post but I disagree on one point.  The U.S. SEC CAN do something because I was allowed to trade on Binance.com as a U.S. citizen and in april things got out of hand with the fake buying.  

If you have watched the market as long as I have (basically five years or more) you may be able to understand that there is a problem with buys and buy walls trying to treat this like mortal kombat.  Thanks for not just being an ass.  Your response seems intelligent although I do not agree with all of it.
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December 07, 2019, 08:54:23 PM
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so... what you're saying is, you want the SEC to ban your access to any exchange that isn't in the US or at least following US law.

...that is not going to work out how you hope... the exchange would just ban anyone from the US and carry on.

and because of trading between different exchanges, even if you did trade on an american based, SEC governed exchange, the unregulated foreign ones would still be swinging crazily as usual, and people would be trading that money around, without the problem actually being solved at all.

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December 07, 2019, 09:39:00 PM
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so... what you're saying is, you want the SEC to ban your access to any exchange that isn't in the US or at least following US law.

...that is not going to work out how you hope... the exchange would just ban anyone from the US and carry on.

and because of trading between different exchanges, even if you did trade on an american based, SEC governed exchange, the unregulated foreign ones would still be swinging crazily as usual, and people would be trading that money around, without the problem actually being solved at all.

You seem to assume a lot.  That is not what I'm suggesting at all.  If the sec got involved and did things right it would ban these traders or trading groups on binance forcing the price up.  I actually called the sec and informed them If they are complacent on this matter that they are commiting a felony as well since they have and have had the power to do something more significant about problems in trading.  Its literally their job and if theyre complacent on white collar crime there needs to be a change of leadership if they are ignoring things like this.
 Im not a tool for the sec but they should have really done more by now.  
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December 07, 2019, 09:45:12 PM
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I've had a slew of recent vulgar responses from my posts recently and I figure, if everyone think's they're so smart...Post here.  Why do you think you know more about Bitcoin than me.  I made 20,000 dollars trading it right in 2017 and ever since then the forced buys have gotten out of hand.
If you think Bitcoin is about trading, certainly you don't even know what it is

Search in Google "what's bitcoin" and come back in a few weeks so we can discuss Wink

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December 07, 2019, 09:55:11 PM
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I've had a slew of recent vulgar responses from my posts recently and I figure, if everyone think's they're so smart...Post here.  Why do you think you know more about Bitcoin than me.  I made 20,000 dollars trading it right in 2017 and ever since then the forced buys have gotten out of hand.
If you think Bitcoin is about trading, certainly you don't even what it is

Search in Google "what's bitcoin" and come back in a few weeks so we can discuss Wink

You're assuming you know what my experience is.  Over five years.  I find your comment offense, rude, and obviously is assuming too much.  No.  How about YOU try again with a more decent reponse instead of acting like I'm an idiot?
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December 07, 2019, 10:26:39 PM
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I've had a slew of recent vulgar responses from my posts recently

This forum, this community, is like everywhere on this world. Some are smart, some pretend to be smart, some had a bad day and some are just rude.
"In Bitcoin" one can be "expert" in wallets, in the protocol, in trading, name it. However, as I said, there are many types of people here.
However, if one doesn't search before asking, if somebody claims things that seem to be just out of the hat, probably there are other examples too, they will most probably not be nice.
If you ask this or that, nicely, I am sure that most of the answers are nice. And for the others there's always the "ignore" option at hand.

Now about your posts. I took a very short look. I've seem you complain; that doesn't help anybody. I've seen you are claiming you will sue certain services most of us are using and, from what you say you have basically no proof (but since we are no lawyers, get one and just do it, don't argue), however, these are in the "claiming things just out of the hat" category, sorry. So you kinda attracted those answers.

PS. And try to learn from the answers, instead of argue.
PS2. This is more like a complaining thread, however, I tried to be nice.
PS3. The title is awful. Keep in mind that we don't have to explain ourselves to you.

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December 07, 2019, 10:42:19 PM
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The word "you" is at least plural, if not multiple. Whoever hears the word "you," thinks of the other guy while he is hearing it.

The point? "Explain to me why you think you are more knowledgable about bitcoin than me." It's gotta be because "you" spelled knowledgable wrong.

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December 07, 2019, 10:44:34 PM
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the core answer is very clear, you just found out about bitcoin, while the seniors here are already very experienced.

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December 07, 2019, 10:46:14 PM
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I made 20,000 dollars trading it right in 2017

If that is your criteria for how "smart" you are about Bitcoin then even I'm "smarter" than you, and I can't even read code..
Many people here are a hundred times smarter than you, and if we assume an IQ high of like 200, your IQ would be about 2 compared to them according to this criteria..
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December 07, 2019, 10:50:23 PM
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I made 20,000 dollars trading it right in 2017

If that is your criteria for how "smart" you are about Bitcoin then even I'm "smarter" than you, and I can't even read code..
Many people here are a hundred times smarter than you, and if we assume an IQ high of like 200, your IQ would be about 2 compared to them according to this criteria..

god i don't even want to try and imagine my position on that scale. Cheesy

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December 07, 2019, 10:50:58 PM
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I made 20,000 dollars trading it right in 2017

If that is your criteria for how "smart" you are about Bitcoin then even I'm "smarter" than you, and I can't even read code..
Many people here are a hundred times smarter than you, and if we assume an IQ high of like 200, your IQ would be about 2 compared to them according to this criteria..

I resent that! My IQ is higher than .00056.     Cheesy

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December 07, 2019, 10:56:38 PM
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Calm down friend Smiley
Do you have a problem with someone or some people whose responses made you uncomfortable before? Solve it malely and explain it well if you don't like it. Besides this is an open forum, everyone has the right to opinion, accept good advice and ignore bad opinion, as simple as that. We only have two hands, not enough to be able to close all their mouths, but with those two hands we are able to close our own eyes and ears to ignore the ugliness.

Well, everyone has their own experience and expertise, with different benchmarks. You also must have gone through a lot of things, lots of experience, lots of profits to reach thousands of dollars, then do you need recognition? What for? have fun with your benefits, it will make your heart happier.

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December 07, 2019, 11:10:48 PM
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I've had a slew of recent vulgar responses from my posts recently and I figure, if everyone think's they're so smart...Post here.  Why do you think you know more about Bitcoin than me.  I made 20,000 dollars trading it right in 2017 and ever since then the forced buys have gotten out of hand.
If you think Bitcoin is about trading, certainly you don't even what it is

Search in Google "what's bitcoin" and come back in a few weeks so we can discuss Wink

You're assuming you know what my experience is.  Over five years.  I find your comment offense, rude, and obviously is assuming too much.  No.  How about YOU try again with a more decent reponse instead of acting like I'm an idiot?

He's acting like you're an idiot because you're writing idiotic posts.
You've got 5 years of experience and are still a newbie on the bitcoin forum. What a shame. You also can't use proper English.
How about you read more and write less. You're so angry you're losing letters.

What's worse? Having a month of experience or having 5 years and still acting like you've got less than 1?

 
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December 08, 2019, 01:30:17 AM
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the core answer is very clear, you just found out about bitcoin, while the seniors here are already very experienced.

Wrong, I'm not surprised someone is still acting like this is a juvenile shouting match.  That's obviously an ignorant comment to make and the easiet to disprove.  If you look at my profile I've been here for over five years, meaning I definitely didn't JUST find out about this sort of thing.  AT ALL.  Known about bitcoin for a long long time, don't be a prick please.  And to the other person who thinks this is about spelling: good catch but that doesn't help. Got a lot of judgemental people who think I'm twelve.  This "community" does not seem very mature if you ask me.
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I made 20,000 dollars trading it right in 2017

If that is your criteria for how "smart" you are about Bitcoin then even I'm "smarter" than you, and I can't even read code..
Many people here are a hundred times smarter than you, and if we assume an IQ high of like 200, your IQ would be about 2 compared to them according to this criteria..

That's obviously an insult too and is what you believe.  However it's obviously meant to be offensive and untrue.  Even a baby has a higher IQ than two.  Consider bringing your insults like that elsewhere.  It's not funny.
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December 08, 2019, 01:45:25 AM
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The word "you" is at least plural, if not multiple. Whoever hears the word "you," thinks of the other guy while he is hearing it.

The point? "Explain to me why you think you are more knowledgable about bitcoin than me." It's gotta be because "you" spelled knowledgable wrong.

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AND to be fair, you spelled it wrong too.  It's spelled "knowledgeable" if you want to get technical.  Way to go.
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In  opinion, the core of the matter is not that OP is smarter than the rest of us but it is how some members of this forum carry themselves. Admittedly, I sometimes experience some arrogance of a few members of this forum but knowing that we are all still living in a democratic world I just shrugged it off, not letting them affect the way I think while remaining active on this forum. The point of the matter is that no matter how knowledgeable or expert we can be, we should always be humble in dealing with other people and in presenting our own ideas and opinions. There should be no condescending attitude toward anybody as we are all equals in this forum except if one is really just a spammer.

 
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i have been involved in bitcoin since 2012. so if this is a battle about time length. well my 2012 beats your 2014

i have been trading many years although i am not the whale in question, my hoard far surpasses the '500btc' walls you complain about. infact if i was to put my hoards in at once you would see this as manipulative but i would see it as me just trading my funds like everyone else, just that i happen to have more.

i personally dont put my hoards into an exchange for many reasons but i do put in some play money. but if i was to use my split order strategy with the hoards you would be complaining more and crying that it was some form of orchestrated plan. when in reality is i would be just trading.

as for the jurisdictional stuff
you as a US citizen using a service thats not US based does not suddenly give you special powers to then allow the SEC to overstep their jurisdiction. its like if you travel to china and got in trouble. its the chinese government that would be handling you. yes you can speak to the US consulate all you like. but their powers are limited of what they can actually do. you would be stuck at the wil of the chinese government.

the end result is the service could just be requested nicely to do something to stop allowing US citizens access or simply ask you to stop using the service yourself.

if you have a problem with a chines exchange. take your funds out and use an US exchange. then if the US exchange appears to have the same issues as you are concerned with then that exchange would be within your US jurisdiction.

lastly when looking at the exchange orderbook. the order book is just a BTC amount. it has no names or faces or nationality listed. so although you may presume the large wall orders are from manipulative asian traders or ghost orders of the exchange itself. but you actually do not know.
its the same emotional reaction of a school shooting news report. many americans very first though is 'is it a middle eastern terrorist' and for days they whisper concerns and worries. but later find out it wasnt.

without you knowing the culprit you have no culprit
simply saying that your couple BTC is acceptable but no one should be trading 500btc at a time is the same as someone trading 0.05btc and complaining that 2btc is too much

it is emotionally like a homeless man with $2 complaining at someone taking $500 out of an ATM. blaming the guy at the ATM for having so much money.
its a useless mindset to have. so here is a solution, ill repeat it again

take your funds out a foreign exchange and use an US exchange instead.
then if the US exchange appears to have the same issues as you are concerned with then find out the actual culprit and link it to an actual crime. do not speculate as to who you wish/hope/think it is. actually try finding the culprit
then, with that US exchange being within your jurisdiction the SEC can do something about it. but remember. there has to be a culprit.
you cant simply ask a company to shut down because you dont like the experience you received. they can try to improve their service to make users experience better, but they can also stop serving just the vindictive, abusive customers. so dont simply pretend you have the power to shut down an exchange simply because you had a bad experience.

think of it like a mass protest or a music concert. if someone spills your beer or a taller person stands infront of you. you do not have the authority to ask the whole concert to be shutdown. instead try to identify the tall beer spiller that you have problems with and deal with that individual(the whale order creator).
because trying to stop an exchange from allowing people to trade say 500btc wont happen
trying to get a concert to ban tall people wont happen.
and trying to stop an exchange from allowing users to cancel orders for change of mind/mistake reasons wont happen.
trying to make spilling beer or walking while holding a beer illegal wont happen

people should be free to make orders with their funds freely. but if you can prove a culprit and prove the crime. then deal with it

I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.
Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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