Nazis were socialists - Change my mind

[iluvbitcoins]

Party principles of the German Workers Party from 1913.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208627.msg53314721#msg53314721

Party principles of the National Socialist Workers Party from 1918. (DAP changed their name to NSDAP)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208627.msg53319034#msg53319034

Party principles from the first National Socialist party in the Reich (from 1918.)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208627.msg53323636#msg53323636

Strasser program
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208627.msg53326816#msg53326816

Some random quotes
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208627.msg53323521#msg53323521

Note:
Edited some of these posts moving my replies downwards so it would be easier to read through the OP.

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[TECSHARE]

Nah, they were only called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", they weren't socialists just like every other failed attempt at socialism wasn't socialist.

[Balthazar]

Yet another "nazis were socialists" thread. Oh, come on, this is ridiculous.

They didn't anything to nationalize private enterprises. Just for example, military industry was private owned. Heavy machinery was private owned. Hell, even the oil and mining industry were in a private sector.

Even more, they were doing opposite policy including privatization of public enterprises. If this is a socialist policy then Margaret Thatcher was a socialist as well.

[canaris1985]

I'd say both sides at extremes work in similarly destructive way. Not to mention the fact that Maoist China and Soviet Union repressed, killed and enslaved more people than were killed during the both world wars

[af_newbie]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers%27_Party

Nazis were all three: socialists, nationalists, and racists.

They have implemented many programs to redistribute wealth to the working class:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlXqFgqOviw

If you are not sure, read Hitler's Mein Kampf:

https://srv-file7.gofile.io/download/AUqaIT/meinkampf.pdf

[Balthazar]

They have implemented many programs to redistribute wealth to the working class

NSDAP was a party of cleptocrats and it would be strange to publish such non-science fiction stories. They were doing everything to centralize wealth, and their military agression was yet another tool for that. Just like their racism, which was merely a tool to rob the jews who were quite wealthy then.

If you are not sure, read Hitler's Mein Kampf:

Well, then you should consider China as a People's Democratic Dictatorship.

http://www.icwa.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/ADB-75.pdf

Because Mao has written it in his fantasy novels. He even managed to write it down into chinese constitution.

[iluvbitcoins]

Here are the party principles of the Deutsche Arbeiter Partei or the German Workers Party from 1913.
Adolf Hitler will later join the party
https://www.docdroid.net/4qIxCKf/party.pdf

Transfer of capitalist large-scale enterprises, in which private property is injurious to the common good, into the possession of the Reich or municipality, particularly nationalization of the mining industry and the railways.

The faceless exploitation of the workers by emergent capitalism at the beginning of the 19th century led to bloody riots, which brought the workers no practical results.

Fixation of minimum wage rates for each occupation and region; enactment of statutory legislation with which public authorities and self-governing bodies can prevent the enlistment of racially-foreign workers to pressure wages.

General implementation of a 36-hour weekly rest period; free Saturday afternoons for female workers and the legal establishment of statutory leave entitlements for all employees in the sense of the Commercial Clerks Act.

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Yet another "nazis were socialists" thread. Oh, come on, this is ridiculous.

They didn't anything to nationalize private enterprises. Just for example, military industry was private owned. Heavy machinery was private owned. Hell, even the oil and mining industry were in a private sector.

Even more, they were doing opposite policy including privatization of public enterprises. If this is a socialist policy then Margaret Thatcher was a socialist as well.

If socialism means complete nationalization of private enterprise, what's the difference between socialism and communism?

Just like their racism, which was merely a tool to rob the jews who were quite wealthy then.

Just like the kulaks.

[Mometaskers]

Well they called themselves as such, if they identify as socialists, they must be socialists! I don't about the exact policies they implemented but at least in paper, they tried to be socialist. Anyway, something I just dug up that some people here might be able to discuss about.

TRANSLATION OF DOCUMENT 1708-PS
Edited by: Dr. Robert Ley
Published by: Central Publishing House of the N.S.D.A.P.
Franz Eher, successor Munich

The program of the NSDAP

The program is the political foundation of the NSDAP and accordingly the primary political law of the State. It has been made brief and clear intentionally.

All legal precepts must be applied in the spirit of the party program.

Since the taking over of control, the Fuehrer has succeeded in the realization of essential portions of the Party program from the fundamentals to the detail.

The Party Program of the NSDAP was proclaimed on the 24 February 1920 by Adolf Hitler at the first large Party gathering in Munich and since that day has remained unaltered. Within the national socialist philosophy is summarized in 25 points:

1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the right of self-determination of peoples.

2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.

3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people, and colonization for our surplus population.

4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently no Jew can be a member of the race.

5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest, and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.

6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.

7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.

8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since the 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.

9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.

10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to work both spiritually and physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all Consequently we demand:

11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of rent-slavery

12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).

14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.

15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.

16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.

18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, Schieber and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.

19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.

20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbuergerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.

21. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.

22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.

23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that: a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race: b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the State to be published. They may not be printed in the German language: c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications, or any influence on them, and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life, and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.

24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: common utility precedes individual utility.

25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.

Adolf Hitler proclaimed the following explanation for this program on the 13 April 1928:

Explanation

Regarding the false interpretations of Point 17 of the program of the NSDAP on the part of our opponents, the following definition is necessary:

"Since the NSDAP stands on the platform of private ownership it happens that the passage" gratuitous expropriation concerns only the creation of legal opportunities to expropriate if necessary, land which has been illegally acquired or is not administered from the view-point of the national welfare. This is directed primarily against the Jewish land-speculation companies.

[Oxstone]

So the name is enough of a proof right?

So Democratic Republic of China or the  Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) are actually democracies and not dictatorships?

Wahou, I didn't know it was so easy!

Nazis were fascists, hence they were in favor of gathering all powers under one man. That's not socialism. That's dictatorship.

And about the socialist policies in there program, they were never applied so... Unless of course a foodstamp program is a socialist policy for you. But that means all the countries in the world were socialist countries at this period :/

[TECSHARE]

So the name is enough of a proof right?

So Democratic Republic of China or the  Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) are actually democracies and not dictatorships?

Wahou, I didn't know it was so easy!

Nazis were fascists, hence they were in favor of gathering all powers under one man. That's not socialism. That's dictatorship.

And about the socialist policies in there program, they were never applied so... Unless of course a foodstamp program is a socialist policy for you. But that means all the countries in the world were socialist countries at this period :/

Like I said...

Nah, they were only called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", they weren't socialists just like every other failed attempt at socialism wasn't socialist.

This is so predictable I had to get it out of the way first thing.

[Oxstone]

So the name is enough of a proof right?

So Democratic Republic of China or the  Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) are actually democracies and not dictatorships?

Wahou, I didn't know it was so easy!

Nazis were fascists, hence they were in favor of gathering all powers under one man. That's not socialism. That's dictatorship.

And about the socialist policies in there program, they were never applied so... Unless of course a foodstamp program is a socialist policy for you. But that means all the countries in the world were socialist countries at this period :/

Like I said...

Nah, they were only called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", they weren't socialists just like every other failed attempt at socialism wasn't socialist.

This is so predictable I had to get it out of the way first thing.

Yeah it's predictable that when you say something stupid someone will call it out as stupid

Saying that Nazis were socialists because they had socialist in their name is as stupid as calling north korea a democracy for the same reason.

[iluvbitcoins]

I have already posted the DAP party program before they changed their name (from 1913.) so here's the more relevant one from 1918. when they changed their name to the today-known NSDAP (National Socialist Workers Party)
https://www.docdroid.net/1vMbN4A/national-socialist-workers-party.pdf

Transfer of all capitalist large-scale enterprises, in which private management is injurious to the common good, into the possession of the state, province (völkisch self-governing bodies), and municipality. Consideration shall be given to in particular to: the entire transportation system, natural resources, water power, insurance companies, and the advertising industry. Profit-sharing among all employees in state, provincial, and municipal enterprises.

Expropriation of large estates and entails for the purpose of establishing small- and medium-sized peasant farmsteads. A prohibition on the buying-up of land for luxury purposes (hunting and the like). Establishment of the state’s right of first refusal on every sale of property and land [Grund und Boden]. Nationalization of property-selling [Grundbesitzverkaufes].

We reject, however, all forms of unearned income, such as ground rents and interest, as well as usurious profits extorted from the misery of one’s fellow man. Against them we stridently advocate the value of productive labor.

The private economy can never be wholly or violently abolished, yet all forms of social property should exist alongside it and be increasingly expanded. We advocate unconditionally for the transfer of all capitalist large-scale enterprises, which constitute private monopolies, into the possession of the state, province (völkisch self-governing bodies), or municipality.
In the purposeful conversion of all other enterprises into cooperative property through steadily increasing the profit-sharing of all those who work in them, both physically and intellectually, we see the guiding principles for future progress.

Reorganization of the entire taxation system with the aim of promoting labor, rendering unearned incomes and profiteering in land, trade, and stock-market impossible above all. Abolition of unjust indirect taxes and introduction of a heavily graduated income tax. Scheduling of the highest possible taxation rates for retirement income and the lowest conceivable rates for earned income. High taxation of all fallow land; introduction of capital gains taxes; increase in inheritance tax and stock-market tax; introduction of luxury taxes and taxation of all hitherto tax-free property. Calculation of taxation rates according to number of children.

Fixation of minimum wage rates and salaries for each occupation and municipality through consensus with the trade unions. Introduction of a cost-of-living supplement [Teuerungszuschlägen] and family allowance. Adoption of legal regulations according to which public authorities and municipal self-governing bodies can prevent the engagement of racially-foreign workers.

Definitive regulation of working-hours on the basis of the eight-hour day as the maximum working time, with the establishment of shorter working-hours for hazardous industries; Reich-wide workers’ legislation.

A ban on nightwork in all industries, insofar as this is not unfeasible due to technical reasons. A complete ban on nightwork for women and young workers.
General implementation of a 36-hour weekly rest period; free Saturday afternoons and the legal establishment of statutory leave entitlements for all employees.

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Nah, they were only called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", they weren't socialists just like every other failed attempt at socialism wasn't socialist.

I would actually argue that Nation Socialism was economically more successful than internationalsocialism.
It's most likely because of this quote

The private economy can never be wholly or violently abolished, yet all forms of social property should exist alongside it and be increasingly expanded.We advocate unconditionally for the transfer of all capitalist large-scale enterprises, which constitute private monopolies, into the possession of the state, province (völkisch self-governing bodies), or municipality.
In the purposeful conversion of all other enterprises into cooperative property through steadily increasing the profit-sharing of all those who work in them, both physically and intellectually, we see the guiding principles for future progress.

Not completely eliminating the private market enabled the nationalsocialist country to not only avoid starvation but run an economy that's able to engage in warfare with half of Europe, well, for a period time.

So the name is enough of a proof right?

So Democratic Republic of China or the  Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) are actually democracies and not dictatorships?

Wahou, I didn't know it was so easy!

Nazis were fascists, hence they were in favor of gathering all powers under one man. That's not socialism. That's dictatorship.

And about the socialist policies in there program, they were never applied so... Unless of course a foodstamp program is a socialist policy for you. But that means all the countries in the world were socialist countries at this period :/

Like I said...

Nah, they were only called the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", they weren't socialists just like every other failed attempt at socialism wasn't socialist.

This is so predictable I had to get it out of the way first thing.

Yeah it's predictable that when you say something stupid someone will call it out as stupid

Saying that Nazis were socialists because they had socialist in their name is as stupid as calling north korea a democracy for the same reason.

It's not because they had in in their name, it's because it's the truth.
I'm posting chronologically, so you'll get even more info later into the thread.

[Oxstone]

So for you the question is not what they have done (because they haven't nationalized the industry in the end) but what they said they were going to do once at the power?

Ok. Why not.

That means I can make you and TECSHARE vote for me if I say I won't nationalize anything and delete all regulations even if you know I won't?

Ok. Why not.

[darkangel11]

It's hard for you guys to find common ground because all of you are right. NSDAP wasn't a normal left socialist party, but it also wasn't a normal right nationalist party. It combined both and these views are usually on the opposite side of the spectrum.

How it came to be this way? While normal left socialism is about giving power to the working class and the revolutionary fight for freedom, Germans had their own interpretation. To them socialism (called Spengler's prussian socialism) was the revolutionary fight of the German nation. While in socialism and communism classes of people felt oppressed and felt the need to fight for their rights, in nazism the whole nation felt like it has to regain its status lost after the first world war.

It's interesting that the main enemy of NSDAP was KPD (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands), so we can't say that they really wanted communism and socialism in their country. They only used these ideas because they were popular at the time. How to get the whole political spectrum on your side? Create a party that combines some ideas of the far left and some of the far right

[iluvbitcoins]

It's hard for you guys to find common ground because all of you are right. NSDAP wasn't a normal left socialist party, but it also wasn't a normal right nationalist party. It combined both and these views are usually on the opposite side of the spectrum.

How it came to be this way? While normal left socialism is about giving power to the working class and the revolutionary fight for freedom, Germans had their own interpretation. To them socialism (called Spengler's prussian socialism) was the revolutionary fight of the German nation. While in socialism and communism classes of people felt oppressed and felt the need to fight for their rights, in nazism the whole nation felt like it has to regain its status lost after the first world war.

It's interesting that the main enemy of NSDAP was KPD (Kommunistische Partei Deutschlands), so we can't say that they really wanted communism and socialism in their country. They only used these ideas because they were popular at the time. How to get the whole political spectrum on your side? Create a party that combines some ideas of the far left and some of the far right

That's a wrong look at things.

Nazi is a neologism, during that era members of the party never referred to themselves as Nazis. That's a new made up term.
They always called themselves National Socialists, and yes, they wanted socialism.
I will post more information when I get back from class to prove this point.

However, what you will understand if you read through the literature and nationalsocialists scripture.
Nationalsocialists weren't Marixsts
Nationalsocialists mostly despised Marx, they thought his form of internationsocialism is a Jewish trick and despised mostly the lack of nationalism in it.
However, they were socialists and openly advocated for socialism, just not the Marx type of socialism. They were building their own.
He's not the only socialist on the planet, he's just the one who inspired communism.

[darkangel11]

Nazi is a neologism, during that era members of the party never referred to themselves as Nazis. That's a new made up term.
They always called themselves National Socialists, and yes, they wanted socialism.

And socialism was a neologism 60 years before Hitler came to power. 

You're trying to put a socialist label on NSDAP, even though the party was not completely socialist in its nature. Opposing capitalism doesn't mean you're a full socialist.
If you compare nazi socialism with soviet socialism you'll see that they're different.
Hitler did not want a class to rule over other classes like it was in other socialist republics. He wanted a nation to rule over other nations. He didn't want wealth to be distributed among the people but for the whole world to be under a single leadership and used socialism to gain support of the masses.  

[Oxstone]

However, they were socialists and openly advocated for socialism, just not the Marx type of socialism. They were building their own.
He's not the only socialist on the planet, he's just the one who inspired communism.

Ok then maybe put your definition of socialism then.

Because talking about a socialism "but not the one of Marx" would actually make the stupid argument "that was not real socialism" a valid argument you understand that?

Marx defined socialism, anyone talking today about socialism refers to Marx's idea. It's only logical to assume that when you use a word you use the most widely spread meaning of the word and not an obscure definition used 100 years ago.

Maybe that with your definition of socialism Nazis could be considered socialists, who knows?

[squatz1]

Well, I'll try. A socialist is defined as such - "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." (Google)

I've grabbed some info from the Historians subreddit to refute this, as I'm ya know not a historian.

"National Socialism", or in German; "Nationalsozialismus" is a term that was created when the Nazis(Well... I guess they weren't Nazis before they invented the term Nazi... They were DAP's, I guess) attempted to create a nationalist redefinition of "Socialism", an alternative to both classical schools of Socialism and various Liberal ideas. Nazism rejected the Marxist concept of class conflict, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, everything we commonly associate with the modern understanding of Socialism, and sought to create a new German socialism in which individuals subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organization.

In an interview with George Sylvester Viereck in 1923 Adolf Hitler himself said:

"Socialism is the science of dealing with the common weal. Communism is not Socialism. Marxism is not Socialism. The Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning. I shall take Socialism away from the Socialists. Socialism is an ancient Aryan, Germanic institution. Our German ancestors held certain lands in common. They cultivated the idea of the common weal. Marxism has no right to disguise itself as socialism. Socialism, unlike Marxism, does not repudiate private property. Unlike Marxism, it involves no negation of personality, and unlike Marxism, it is patriotic. We might have called ourselves the Liberal Party. We chose to call ourselves the National Socialists. We are not internationalists. Our socialism is national. We demand the fulfilment of the just claims of the productive classes by the state on the basis of race solidarity. To us state and race are one."1

And even though the term was the same as the one used by Marxists and Utopian Socialists, Hitler was not afraid to make it clear that this term was one that they had adopted, and that in their usage, it is very much the opposite of what we normally associate with Socialism. In a speech in 1938 Hitler said:

"'Socialist' I define from the word 'social; meaning in the main ‘social equity’. A Socialist is one who serves the common good without giving up his individuality or personality or the product of his personal efficiency. Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true socialism is not.[...]"2

Why exactly Hitler choose the word Socialism, only he himself knows. But we can speculate and make qualified guesses based on our knowledge of the past. A very common theory is that it was chosen to sway working-class votes. Germany has a pretty substantial and rich Socialist tradition. The most prominent Socialist thinkers are from Germany: Marx, Engels, Kautsky, Bebel, Liebknecht the elder, Lassalle, etc. all Germans. And the Socialists were popular in the elections around the time where the term Nationalsozialismus was adopted, with the SPD and the USPD scoring around 35% of the votes in the 1920 election.34

Notes:

1:Interview with George Sylvester Viereck, 1923

2:The Speeches of Adolf Hitler

3: Kershaw, Ian (1999). Hitler 1889-1936

4: Nohlen, D & Stöver, P (2010) Elections in Europe: A data handbook,

So, one of the big reasons that Hitler had referred to this as Socialism was an attempt to sway working class voters (a large part of the German voting bloc) to his camp. As said above, the most popular socialist thinkers had been from Germany.

[KingScorpio]

A nazi is just a racist commie.
I'll argument my position as a replica to the replies.

not just racist,

racist and nationalist.

but the questions is what are you what is the alternative?

enslaving yourself to the financial elite of the british empire?

shall the entire world be enslaved to royalty and a banking cartel?

what do you want?

[iluvbitcoins]

Note: Gregor Strasser is the most important person in the party during the time Hitler is in jail because of the Beer Hall Putsch

The Capitalist system with its exploitation of those who are economically weak, with its robbery of the workers labour power, with its unethical way of appraising human beings by the number of things and the amount of money he possesses, instead of by their internal value and their achievements, must be replaced by a new and just economic system, in a word by German Socialism
Gregor Strasser

‘Because we had become nationalists in the trenches,’ he told an audience in 1924, ‘we could not help becoming socialists in the trenches.
Adolf Hitler

Lenin is the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between Communism and the Hitler faith is very slight.
Joseph Goebbels
Quote in The New York Times, November 28, 1925

After all, that’s exactly why we call ourselves National Socialists! We want to start by implementing socialism in our nation among our Volk! It is not until the individual nations are socialist that they can address themselves to international socialism.
Adolf Hitler as quoted by Otto Wagener in Hitler—Memoirs of a Confidant, editor, Henry Ashby Turner, Jr., Yale University Press (1985) p. 288

What the world did not deem possible the German people have achieved…. It is already war history how the German Armies defeated the legions of capitalism and plutocracy. After forty-five days this campaign in the West was equally and emphatically terminated
“Adolf Hitler’s Order of the Day Calling for Invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece,” Berlin, (April 6, 1941), New York Times, April 7, 1941

To put it quite clearly: we have an economic programme. Point No. 13 in that programme demands the nationalisation of all public companies, in other words socialisation, or what is known here as socialism. … the basic principle of my Party’s economic programme should be made perfectly clear and that is the principle of authority… the good of the community takes priority over that of the individual. But the State should retain control; every owner should feel himself to be an agent of the State; it is his duty not to misuse his possessions to the detriment of the State or the interests of his fellow countrymen. That is the overriding point. The Third Reich will always retain the right to control property owners. If you say that the bourgeoisie is tearing its hair over the question of private property, that does not affect me in the least. Does the bourgeoisie expect some consideration from me?… Today’s bourgeoisie is rotten to the core; it has no ideals any more; all it wants to do is earn money and so it does me what damage it can. The bourgeois press does me damage too and would like to consign me and my movement to the devil.

Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard Calic, ed., “First Interview with Hitler, 4 May 1931,” Secret Conversations with Hitler: The Two Newly-Discovered 1931 Interviews, New York: John Day Co., 1971, pp. 31-33. Also published under the title Unmasked: Two Confidential Interviews with Hitler in 1931 , published by Chatto & Windus in 1971

    I will tolerate no opposition. We recognize only subordination – authority downwards and responsibility upwards. You just tell the German bourgeoisie that I shall be finished with them far quicker than I shall with marxism... When once the conservative forces in Germany realize that only I and my party can win the German proletariat over to the State and that no parliamentary games can be played with marxist parties, then Germany will be saved for all time, then we can found a German Peoples State.

Hitler's interview with Richard Breiting, 1931, published in Edouard Calic, ed., “First Interview with Hitler,4 May 1931,” Secret Conversations with Hitler: The Two Newly-Discovered 1931 Interviews, New York: John Day Co., 1971, pp. 36-37. Also published under the title Unmasked: Two Confidential Interviews with Hitler in 1931 published by Chatto & Windus in 1971

    I have learned a great deal from Marxism as I do not hesitate to admit… The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen pushers have timidly begun. The whole of National Socialism is based on it… National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order.

What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish, we shall be in a position to achieve.
Adolf Hitler as quoted by Otto Wagener in Hitler—Memoirs of a Confidant, editor, Henry Ashby Turner, Jr., Yale University Press (1985) p. 149

Strasser represented the party circles who favoured an assertive ‘Germanic’ form of socialism: ‘We are socialists,’ he wrote in 1926 in a pamphlet setting out the future tasks of the movement, ‘[and] are enemies, deadly enemies of the present capitalist economic system.’
Stachura, Strasser, p. 51; see too Kissenkoetter, Gregor Strasser, p. 24.

In 1930 that resentment boiled over into an open rupture. In July 1930 Gregor Strasser's brother Otto, who represented a small group of uncompromising anti-capitalist revolutionaries, seceded from the party with a formal announcement that ‘the socialists leave the NSDAP’.107 In August von Salomon resigned in protest at the failure of the party to support the aspirations of the SA to become a proto-army to rival the established armed forces.
K. Gossweiler Die Strasser-Legende (Berlin, 1994), p. 19; Kissenkoetter, Gregor Strasser, pp. 41–7.

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Nazi is a neologism, during that era members of the party never referred to themselves as Nazis. That's a new made up term.
They always called themselves National Socialists, and yes, they wanted socialism.

And socialism was a neologism 60 years before Hitler came to power.  

You're trying to put a socialist label on NSDAP, even though the party was not completely socialist in its nature. Opposing capitalism doesn't mean you're a full socialist.
If you compare nazi socialism with soviet socialism you'll see that they're different.
Hitler did not want a class to rule over other classes like it was in other socialist republics. He wanted a nation to rule over other nations. He didn't want wealth to be distributed among the people but for the whole world to be under a single leadership and used socialism to gain support of the masses.  

I'm not trying to put it on them, you're trying to take it down.
Their name is the National Socialist Workers Party.
When the German Socialist Party fell apart in 1922., almost all the members joined the National Socialist Workers Party.
I will get to that part later.
Hitler even wasn't the radical within the party, he was one of the milder options. Some, like Strasser and Rohm demanded an immediate revolution since the legal way wasn't working - they claimed. They threatened him if he doesn't do it, they'll do it themselves without him (they controlled the SA)
But I will get to that later, since as I said, I'm posting most data chronologically, we passed the founding of the DAP, and the 1918. NSDAP, this is 1922. and I'll post something soon