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December 11, 2019, 11:02:33 AM
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Bitcoin : 80828 comments and counting since first snapshot on (2017 Nov)

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And I begin to wonder why the heck all this mainstream financial sites are listing crypto currency on their front pages? They trying to tell us something?

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December 11, 2019, 11:29:46 AM
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Why are you even comparing between a highly regulated industrial index with bitcoin, that is too based on the comments? These are two very different thing - one is index and another one is a currency or asset! And look at the parameter you have chosen - comments??!!

Bitcoin has certainly got good traction since the dream run in 2017 which gave it a worldwide visibility. And due to that visibility it has also become one of the most searched word in Google. SEO people associated with finance saw an opportunity and started incorporating related metadata and terminologies in the website so that they can receive better search traffic! It's as simple as that!

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December 11, 2019, 11:59:06 AM
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Why are you even comparing between a highly regulated industrial index with bitcoin, that is too based on the comments? These are two very different thing - one is index and another one is a currency or asset! And look at the parameter you have chosen - comments??!!

Bitcoin has certainly got good traction since the dream run in 2017 which gave it a worldwide visibility. And due to that visibility it has also become one of the most searched word in Google. SEO people associated with finance saw an opportunity and started incorporating related metadata and terminologies in the website so that they can receive better search traffic! It's as simple as that!

It may sound dumb, but I would like to know how widely talked is bitcoin compare to all other major financial markets, just looking at google trend or bitcointalk alone I couldn’t easily come to a conclusion as the variable I could use would be not compatible, let’s say compare orange to apple in this case, what can I do to make it easier? Look for a centralized investing forum and look for common parameter among two comparing asset, price is out for this one, any market parameter means literally nothing, the only thing that it could make some sense is the comment section, I’m intrigued by how widely talked in the bitcoin forum, and to my surprise, it even exceeding the number of comments to a very ancient market, and why I decide to choose investing dot com? I have no clue about this website, who’s the web master behind this site or their incentive of running it 24/7, but it have some features that we badly sought, that’s right, a freedom to leave your comment to your heart content, that’s what most/all financial sites are lacking, however gold forum would still take the first spot by a huge margin at about 10x more popular and widely talk than bitcoin.

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December 11, 2019, 01:19:02 PM
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Why are you even comparing between a highly regulated industrial index with bitcoin, that is too based on the comments? These are two very different thing - one is index and another one is a currency or asset! And look at the parameter you have chosen - comments??!!

Bitcoin has certainly got good traction since the dream run in 2017 which gave it a worldwide visibility. And due to that visibility it has also become one of the most searched word in Google. SEO people associated with finance saw an opportunity and started incorporating related metadata and terminologies in the website so that they can receive better search traffic! It's as simple as that!

OP is talking about its popularity or being discussed frequently. Though you have a pint sir @avikz because indeed they are very different from its other. But since DJIA is a financial market, means investors alike are talking bitcoin and very aware of its capability.

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December 11, 2019, 01:26:45 PM
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Bitcoin is unique in many ways. Its blockchain, decentralized nature, mining and supply. Anybody upon hearing it will become curious and will try to dig deeper. Curiosity you know.

By the way. Financial sites will post anything that is trending or anything that they can benefit well. They are also into business. That is why I do not automatically believe on everything I saw on the internet or what media is saying.   

 
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December 11, 2019, 01:43:03 PM
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Bitcoin : 80828 comments and counting since first snapshot on (2017 Nov)
DJIA : 31438 comments and counting since (2008)?
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And I begin to wonder why the heck all this mainstream financial sites are listing crypto currency on their front pages? They trying to tell us something?
Can we come to a conclusion that it is because of popularity that there are many inquiry about bitcoin, Dow Jones Industrial Average is an established exchange and bitcoin is a new market and hence it is natural that people will try to learn about the new market rather than an established market, if you really want to learn about established markets you can visit a stock broker and he will help you but you cannot find someone who could help you with the bitcoin market.
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December 11, 2019, 02:12:31 PM
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OP is talking about its popularity or being discussed frequently. Though you have a pint sir @avikz because indeed they are very different from its other. But since DJIA is a financial market, means investors alike are talking bitcoin and very aware of its capability.
I didn’t go deeper into every single comment and further classify them into many sort of items, but the site is always full of traders. Can I say some traders are moving into bitcoin from the other market?

Bitcoin is unique in many ways. Its blockchain, decentralized nature, mining and supply. Anybody upon hearing it will become curious and will try to dig deeper. Curiosity you know.

By the way. Financial sites will post anything that is trending or anything that they can benefit well. They are also into business. That is why I do not automatically believe on everything I saw on the internet or what media is saying.   

That’s may sound legit, how soon are we going to see them also include some rare items we farm on some online game, since they’re too valuable items among gamers, are we going to see a lot of them getting listed, what about a limited time super rare Christmas outfit for the pokemon, with +stat, +hp, +speed etc, then that’s going to be crazy, the gamers would go to that site and start biding the price too, trading it too?

Can we come to a conclusion that it is because of popularity that there are many inquiry about bitcoin, Dow Jones Industrial Average is an established exchange and bitcoin is a new market and hence it is natural that people will try to learn about the new market rather than an established market, if you really want to learn about established markets you can visit a stock broker and he will help you but you cannot find someone who could help you with the bitcoin market.

It’s indeed true, bitcoin are widely discussed, among traders, although nobody have a clue about what’s there for them to gain by gathering on the forum, are they traders? Are they bounty hunters? Are they just some random investors? But I don’t remember the last time bitcoin get discussed so openly on a clear net, it also give an impression that nobody brother whether it’s illegal, they would just trade it, also it seem the hype won’t simply dying anytime soon just like some red chip, which usually get pump and dump one last time before they die and never get mentioned again.

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December 11, 2019, 03:53:35 PM
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Bitcoin : 80828 comments and counting since first snapshot on (2017 Nov)

DJIA : 31438 comments and counting since (2008)?

Secret sauces: investing.com

And I begin to wonder why the heck all this mainstream financial sites are listing crypto currency on their front pages? They trying to tell us something?
A non surprising thing yet these fellas would really talked into things which are trending and Crypto is part of it.They arent trying to tell something but simply btc is gaining some
buzz into this industry.

Its a good thing though yet we do see some recognition and discussion towards Btc but doesnt mean or guarantee positive things towards it or simply they are just somewhat trying to observe
but not totally engaging with it.

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December 11, 2019, 04:58:05 PM
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Why are you even comparing between a highly regulated industrial index with bitcoin, that is too based on the comments? These are two very different thing - one is index and another one is a currency or asset! And look at the parameter you have chosen - comments??!!

Bitcoin has certainly got good traction since the dream run in 2017 which gave it a worldwide visibility. And due to that visibility it has also become one of the most searched word in Google. SEO people associated with finance saw an opportunity and started incorporating related metadata and terminologies in the website so that they can receive better search traffic! It's as simple as that!

OP is talking about its popularity or being discussed frequently. Though you have a pint sir @avikz because indeed they are very different from its other. But since DJIA is a financial market, means investors alike are talking bitcoin and very aware of its capability.
Even though they are talking to about popularity still the variable used to compare is not correct, popularity based on comments really? How would you know the exact number of individuals if they just count the comments? Well we can't deny the growth of Bitcoin, it became popular and trendy because of its price but that does not mean people would look for it. Index and digital asset will fall onto different category.

Imo.DJIA as an index of massive companies is incomparable to a digital currency, even the highest among the cryptocurrencies, bitcoin.
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Are you even thinking clearly about this one? Have you even think that most professionals involve in the Dow Jones uses investing.com? Don't you even consider the fact that they are using other tools like Bloomberg Terminal and Thomson Reuters Eikon? Comments on a post even if it makes them "popular" cannot be translated as demand for Bitcoin like you said they just made it popular on a Wikipedia like website for financials. And just to answer your question no they aren't trying to tell us something even if it's in front of their headlines, they are simply just covering everything they have on the financial world.
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OP, where are you getting this data from?  And it doesn't even matter where, it's information that's being misinterpreted--the stock market is more popular than bitcoin by probably several orders of magnitude.  Think about how many people have their retirement savings in 401(k) accounts or own stocks outright and how many people work on Wall Street.  It doesn't really matter how many people are discussing the Dow, because that's just an index.

And I begin to wonder why the heck all this mainstream financial sites are listing crypto currency on their front pages? They trying to tell us something?
Hey, I'm glad that the MSM is covering bitcoin and other coins like ETH.  I don't watch a lot of news, but I've seen crypto reporting on Youtube videos, clips of MSNBC and Bloomberg and the like.  I think that's a very positive thing.

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I'm also curious about why they were comparing them. I can only think because they are all treated as investment by the investors in both market. Forex brokers are also doing it so markets like DOW and FOREX are all populated by the investors who are likely going to take a look into different market like crypto. Bitcoin is widely known now that's for sure but still only available to those who has money and are interested in investing.


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I think it's fair to say that anything that appeals to the people is more popular than a boring financial market index, which is why I find it an unfair comparison. IMHO, I think it doesn't make much sense.

Important is to know that the people we are talking about thinking that Bitcoin is more popular, are known to be dumb money. Smart money only allows a tiny allocation to Bitcoin where the rest sits in assets like stocks.

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Even though they are talking to about popularity still the variable used to compare is not correct, popularity based on comments really? How would you know the exact number of individuals if they just count the comments? Well we can't deny the growth of Bitcoin, it became popular and trendy because of its price but that does not mean people would look for it. Index and digital asset will fall onto different category.

Imo.DJIA as an index of massive companies is incomparable to a digital currency, even the highest among the cryptocurrencies, bitcoin.

That’s right we usually use price to rank how valuable the item is, and it baffles me too when bitcoin surge to 20,000 ATH by the time DJIA was still trading below 20,000, which is MASSIVE in my opinion, but it didn’t mean much by now. The comment section is yet another item that baffles me, I couldn’t believe it basically just grow so much and fast too. That’s true bitcoin has no place to compare to DJIA which the entire market is worth 250 trillions USD, bitcoin didn’t even account for 1% of that size of wealth. The same goes for gold market which is roughly 8 trillions dollar. Well if I was to come to conclusion, the markets always confuse me with all the random numbers flashing on the screen, deception at it’s best.


Are you even thinking clearly about this one? Have you even think that most professionals involve in the Dow Jones uses investing.com? Don't you even consider the fact that they are using other tools like Bloomberg Terminal and Thomson Reuters Eikon? Comments on a post even if it makes them "popular" cannot be translated as demand for Bitcoin like you said they just made it popular on a Wikipedia like website for financials. And just to answer your question no they aren't trying to tell us something even if it's in front of their headlines, they are simply just covering everything they have on the financial world.

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That’s right, most professionals have way more sophisticated tools for data mining at their disposal, and they have a team of hardworking programmers ready to deploy everything to its fullest like in the movie “The Great Short”, they probably won’t fancy with primitive sites like that, btw those aren’t something that we can gain access so easily too, the entire financial markets are always running in full secrecy, no info could get leaked from their sight. That’s not all, they also control nearly the entire wealth of the world under their fingertips, they may be famous by having the most wealth per individual, but they’re not having the most popular vote by approval (most comments), if an asset is highly discussed among users on a particular forum, does it automatically depict it is highly popular? Well I believe there must have a metric to determine it, count of comments certainly have its plus, after all nobody would have at their right mind waste their valuable time to create all the productive comments all over the forum, they could be spambot, but it would likely get filtered quickly too, so anybody want to waste their time again to maintain a spambot that can be anti spam proof?
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OP, where are you getting this data from?  And it doesn't even matter where, it's information that's being misinterpreted--the stock market is more popular than bitcoin by probably several orders of magnitude.  Think about how many people have their retirement savings in 401(k) accounts or own stocks outright and how many people work on Wall Street.  It doesn't really matter how many people are discussing the Dow, because that's just an index.


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There is nothing complicated, the data is very straightforward, visit the investing.com, navigate to the DJIA forum, and scroll down to the comment section, and you get the number of comments in real time, and do the same with bitcoin too. That would be the only site that any layman can do easily, of course it doesn’t require any technical skills and involving hijacking some unclassified documents or even to the sort of wiki leaks decrypting the govt secret.

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December 11, 2019, 10:34:35 PM
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Bitcoin : 80828 comments and counting since first snapshot on (2017 Nov)

DJIA : 31438 comments and counting since (2008)?

More popular on an internet chat room, sure. That's probably because Bitcoin investors tend to be younger and more computer/internet savvy. And also because a lot of people who are passively invested in the stock market (for instance, through retirement accounts) don't talk about it.

It isn't a reflection of actual capital invested (or to be invested) into Bitcoin.

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December 11, 2019, 11:27:03 PM
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I won't gauge success on internet comments and such since that can easily be spammed over and over again without discussing actual substance pertaining to the market. Just look at our very own Wall Observer thread in the Speculation sub-forum wherein people constantly comment regarding almost anything without really tackling about the issue at hand.

A highly regulated index wherein people are most likely just trading and doing the actual market-related stuff cannot be compared with a loosely-regulated market wherein the majority of traders are youngsters who are accustomed to chat at almost anyone about anything in a spontaneous manner.
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Bitcoin : 80828 comments and counting since first snapshot on (2017 Nov)

DJIA : 31438 comments and counting since (2008)?

Secret sauces: investing.com

And I begin to wonder why the heck all this mainstream financial sites are listing crypto currency on their front pages? They trying to tell us something?

Man, it is the trend today. Have you not observed?

Bitcoin is the talk of the town. Is it not in yours?

Bitcoin is the word of the day, no not just that, it is the word of the decade and possibly of the century. That is why these mainstream financial sites are putting it all on its front pages. They want to attract clients and believe it or not Bitcoin is some kind of a spell and I guess it is effective.

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December 12, 2019, 10:46:41 AM
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And I begin to wonder why the heck all this mainstream financial sites are listing crypto currency on their front pages? They trying to tell us something?
Every financial sites are talking about it we can’t deny its popularity, where money is flowing expect investors will always keep an eye on it. If that so this free advertisement will likely attract institutional investors to get involve in this industry.
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One of the main reasons why bitcoin and DIJA have such a huge difference is that people don't talk directly about DIJA that much, they talk about the stocks they talk about commodities whatever they talk about that is directly investing but they don't talk about DIJA directly.

In order to compare apples and apples we might take a look at "crypto currencies" instead of bitcoin itself because lets face it there has been more interest towards bitcoin than any other crypto and there is even less interest to talk about crypto currencies in general. So, I would say this is not a proper comparison since Dow Jones is not really something that is talked about by people that much, things inside Dow Jones is the things people talk about all the time and a whole sector works around it.

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Well, the comment section can be Sybil-ed, and it cannot represent a whole population. However, let's say the data is legit, then it's an indication that BTC is more popular than DJIA on the internet. But, what is popular on the internet not necessarily popular in the real world.

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