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December 12, 2019, 06:56:31 AM
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I would like to know the best way to mix bitcoins. So far, I have read about converting to monero and then back to btc, I have read about using exodus wallet and then also seen the service of blender.io. I am not sure which service to use as it has been a very long time now since I have used a tumbling service, I would like to know which would be best to use.
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December 12, 2019, 09:03:59 AM
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I have never used any mixing strategies or any mixing service provider for that matter as I am seeing no need on my part of adopting the same. Just curious: Why you think you should be doing some mixing or using a mixing site? Is it because you are hiding something, a very common assumption? Or you are just so concern about your privacy and that you are not allowing anyone including the governmental forces to see your Bitcoin trails? Please share...
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December 12, 2019, 09:04:36 AM
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Here are a few options:

1. ChipMixer (the most reputable mixer out there)
2. Wasabi wallet (a wallet with a built-in mixing functionality)
3. Deposit BTC into a centralized gambling site or exchange and then withdraw your funds.

In case of going with the 3rd option, you should know that these services will know so it's not as secure/safe as the first two options.

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December 12, 2019, 09:25:11 AM
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OP, for a mix to avoid any 3rd party security holes, mix in Wasabi, then Samourai Wallet, then JoinMarket. Then send directly to a freshly generated public address.

But it will not stop there, you have to manage your UTXOs and mix regularly, especially if you're an active user.

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December 12, 2019, 09:28:53 AM
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Here are a few options:

1. ChipMixer (the most reputable mixer out there)
2. Wasabi wallet (a wallet with a built-in mixing functionality)
3. Deposit BTC into a centralized gambling site or exchange and then withdraw your funds.

In case of going with the 3rd option, you should know that these services will know so it's not as secure/safe as the first two options.


Using coin mixing site is the best way to go as you don't want to risk your coins to save a few fees. But if you want to try something different, you can go with third and with exchanges, leave the coins for some time, do some exchanges to seem normal, that could be to and from stable coins or popular coins you want to hold and withdraw in batches.

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December 12, 2019, 09:29:36 AM
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3. Deposit BTC into a centralized gambling site or exchange and then withdraw your funds.

In case of going with the 3rd option, you should know that these services will know so it's not as secure/safe as the first two options.


I thought you were worried overly! At these sites, they process millions of transactions every day, which means they won't have enough time to check what you're doing with your money. However, if you follow this way, you will incur a cost of 2 times what you have to pay, it's too costly to make. So choose the first one.

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December 12, 2019, 09:41:17 AM
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3. Deposit BTC into a centralized gambling site or exchange and then withdraw your funds.

In case of going with the 3rd option, you should know that these services will know so it's not as secure/safe as the first two options.


I thought you were worried overly! At these sites, they process millions of transactions every day, which means they won't have enough time to check what you're doing with your money. However, if you follow this way, you will incur a cost of 2 times what you have to pay, it's too costly to make. So choose the first one.

I don't think OmegaStarScream is paranoid when saying it's not as safe as the first two... Afterall, if i'm mixing my coins, i'm not worried about an exchange analysing all of it's transactions, instead i'm worried about a foreign governement or a hacker singeling me out, searching for my transactions in particular.
When using an exchange, their internal records will show my ip(s), my browser fingerprint, timeframes when i was active and a link between deposit addresses, currency exchanges and withdrawal addresses. Imagine what a 3 letter agency could do with a dump of their database when they are trying to track me down. Even worse: imagine what a malicious hacker could do if he managed to get his hands on the exchange's database and tried to track me down for extortion or robbery.

Personally, i'm a big fan of mixing services. However, you do have to realise these services are anonymous themselfs. You have no guarantee the mixing service itself isn't a honeypot. Personally, i use mixing services to hide my transactions for malicious individuals and to protect my privacy, so i wouldn't care to much if one of the mixers i use turns out to be a governement honeypot. However, i guess some people might be in problems if their mixer turned out to be ran by a 3 letter agency.

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December 12, 2019, 09:42:54 AM
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I would like to know the best way to mix bitcoins. So far, I have read about converting to monero and then back to btc, I have read about using exodus wallet and then also seen the service of blender.io. I am not sure which service to use as it has been a very long time now since I have used a tumbling service, I would like to know which would be best to use.

You can check this thread:

2020 List Bitcoin Mixers Bitcoin Tumblers Websites.
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December 12, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
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I found a topic created by Theymos where he suggests to use two mixing methods. Interestingly enough, mixers/tumblers are not in this small list.

[Guide] Decent mixing methods

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December 12, 2019, 10:35:30 AM
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I would like to know the best way to mix bitcoins. So far, I have read about converting to monero and then back to btc, I have read about using exodus wallet and then also seen the service of blender.io. I am not sure which service to use as it has been a very long time now since I have used a tumbling service, I would like to know which would be best to use.

Converting to an alt and then back is an excellent way to mix bitcoins. Use an exchange, so that the sending wallet which sends out your bitcoins has a diferent address to the one you used to deposit the coins.

 
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December 12, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
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Personally, i'm a big fan of mixing services. However, you do have to realise these services are anonymous themselfs. You have no guarantee the mixing service itself isn't a honeypot. Personally, i use mixing services to hide my transactions for malicious individuals and to protect my privacy, so i wouldn't care to much if one of the mixers i use turns out to be a governement honeypot. However, i guess some people might be in problems if their mixer turned out to be ran by a 3 letter agency.

I agree with your thoughts. Your purpose is to conceal the transaction, with any mixer it is useful to you.
Also, speaking of hackers, I really feel insecure about my transactions. But I don't think someone would blackmail or rob someone from faraway countries, right? Most hackers hack into security holes to steal money, they never go out to rob. I believe I'm right.

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December 12, 2019, 01:59:04 PM
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I would like to know the best way to mix bitcoins. So far, I have read about converting to monero and then back to btc, I have read about using exodus wallet and then also seen the service of blender.io. I am not sure which service to use as it has been a very long time now since I have used a tumbling service, I would like to know which would be best to use.
There are many ways to lose track of bitcoin transaction. You can use mixing services like you said Blend.io and also Chipmixer,
I have never experienced this as I know most of its users are probably for illegal transactions purpose.
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December 12, 2019, 05:56:09 PM
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I would like to know the best way to mix bitcoins. So far, I have read about converting to monero and then back to btc, I have read about using exodus wallet and then also seen the service of blender.io. I am not sure which service to use as it has been a very long time now since I have used a tumbling service, I would like to know which would be best to use.
I dont know but this one sounds an advertisement about blender.io.  Grin

When it comes to mixing service then ill handsdown with Chipmixer for this time.Wayback there are several no. of these tumblers but already closed its doors
that why i highly recommend Chipmixer when we do talk about mixing.
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December 12, 2019, 08:23:32 PM
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You can try https://www.smartmixer.io/ they are not something old as chipmixer but I checked their ANN and they were doing good until now,if your going to mix small amount then I will suggest you this site.

PS. Mixing coins cannot guarantee complete anonymity so make sure that your intention of mixing the coin is not something related to any illegal activities.

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December 12, 2019, 08:40:17 PM
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Converting to an alt and then back is an excellent way to mix bitcoins. Use an exchange, so that the sending wallet which sends out your bitcoins has a diferent address to the one you used to deposit the coins.

There's no need to do the alt bit if you're using an exchange. Send Bitcoin. Withdraw Bitcoin. It's pretty much guaranteed to come from a totally unrelated wallet to the one you sent it to. If you buy an alt in the middle bit you're just wasting fees and moving around the exchange's internal ledger.

That's not much use if the BTC you want to mix is involved in something against the exchange's terms and conditions like gambling but fine for straightforward breaking the link between old and new addresses for future privacy. You still don't want to be doing anything against their terms if you plan on using them again though.

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December 12, 2019, 09:02:07 PM
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Would it be a over kill if you use wasabi and then monero and then back to your wallet for an extra precaution?

Converting to an alt and then back is an excellent way to mix bitcoins. Use an exchange, so that the sending wallet which sends out your bitcoins has a diferent address to the one you used to deposit the coins.

There's no need to do the alt bit if you're using an exchange. Send Bitcoin. Withdraw Bitcoin. It's pretty much guaranteed to come from a totally unrelated wallet to the one you sent it to. If you buy an alt in the middle bit you're just wasting fees and moving around the exchange's internal ledger.

That's not much use if the BTC you want to mix is involved in something against the exchange's terms and conditions like gambling but fine for straightforward breaking the link between old and new addresses for future privacy. You still don't want to be doing anything against their terms if you plan on using them again though.

It may be mixed but then people can trace that the BTC comes from an exchange. It serves but that will still be an issue if the person is going to be traced deliberately when the BTC comes from a known exchange address.


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December 12, 2019, 09:04:03 PM
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It may be mixed but then people can trace that the BTC comes from an exchange. It serves but that will still be an issue if the person is going to be traced deliberately when the BTC comes from a known exchange address.

Yes. It's not proper mixing. All I'm interested in is making sure future transactions can't be traced back to my original wallet by any old creep having a look. I don't care if they know it's from an exchange and I don't care about the exchange itself knowing the original address.

If I were a paedo, drug dealer or thief then my approach would have to be totally different.

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December 13, 2019, 02:27:02 AM
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Would it be a over kill if you use wasabi and then monero and then back to your wallet for an extra precaution?

Maybe not.

IMO it's difficult to know exactly what is enough. Maybe you don't leave any trace online but somebody places some keylogger on your device so that's it.

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December 13, 2019, 08:30:47 AM
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What's the best way to get bitcoins to monero and then back to bitcoins? is Exodus safe? I don't have an Iphone so cakewallet wouldn't be an option.

I am thinking of using Monero to wasabi to chipmixer to new bitcoin wallet?

is this a good route to go for bitcoin anonymity?
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What's the best way to get bitcoins to monero and then back to bitcoins? is Exodus safe?

https://flyp.me/en/

i've used them before, no complaints. instant and no account registration.

i would avoid swapping to monero and directly back to bitcoin. to make it harder to trace, you should layer in a few monero transactions before exchanging for bitcoin again. that way, not even flyp.me will recognize your inputs.

i know that exodus use(d) shapeshift for their built-in exchange, and that shapeshift started requiring KYC. i'm not sure how that affected things.

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