The misused of merit on forum.....

[LoyceV]

I disagree with you, can find up-to 500+ good post on Bitcointalk forum.

Please post those 500+ unmerited good posts in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. You'll notice it's a lot of work!

Meanwhile, you haven't merited a single post yet. What's stopping you from doing your share in meriting good posts?

[GSpgh]

The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post.

I've seen posts that deserve 1000+ merits.

There is enough merits and the admin can make more at any time. If you see someone actually selling merits report to admin but otherwise just forget what other people are getting or sending. Even if you could restrict merits per post it's not going to help you if you don't make good posts.

[FIFA worldcup]

The way merit are being given out to some post on this forum is turn abused, how on earth will a single post merit 30+ merit? and must of this post are just simple question or answer. Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post.

I've seen posts that deserve 1000+ merits.

There is enough merits and the admin can make more at any time. If you see someone actually selling merits report to admin but otherwise just forget what other people are getting or sending. Even if you could restrict merits per post it's not going to help you if you don't make good posts.

The example post which you have given is of  satoshi and its people love and affection that people have given a lot of merit to that first post. Other than that no post deserve 1000+ merits.
Also you cannot report selling of merits because you have no way to proof that the merit given is by the sale of it.

[adjed]

When a post truly deserves to be merited, it can be merited as many as possible, for example someone might post a topic that and it was read and loved by 1000 people, 200 of them chose to merit the post and what you are saying is that if I read the post and it touches a chord in my heart, I shouldn't merit it just because it has been merited by others? Sometimes these things are being abused, but if you look closely, most of the merits given away are given for worthy reasons (quality or helpful posts) and last time I checked, everybody reserves the right to merit whoever they like.

[DdmrDdmr]

When a post truly deserves to be merited, it can be merited as many as possible, for example someone might post a topic that and it was read and loved by 1000 people, 200 of them chose to merit the post and what you are saying is that if I read the post and it touches a chord in my heart, I shouldn't merit it just because it has been merited by others? <…>

I was actually wondering about that a few days ago, from a psychological point of view. When we see a post that is (well) merited, we focus on the content, but cannot avoid looking at who merited it and how much. That could lead to:

a)   Nothing, I’m immutable to influence other than the post content itself (poster may or may not also be a subconscious factor, but that’s not what I’m on about right now).

b)   It influences me (conscious or subsconscious) to merit the post, because others have already found it deserving of merits.

c)   It influences me (conscious or subsconscious) not to merit the post, because it has already been merited enough.


Scenario "a" is the most objective one, but I bet "b" and "c" play a heavy hand on some multi-merited posts. That is part of the psychology, and it would be an interesting experiment (conceptually) to do something similar to what Instagram is doing is some places (hide the "like"), by hiding the merits on the posts from viewers (except the person merited), and seeing what happens. Not going to happen on Bitcointalk, but definitively an interesting experiment.

By the way, this is the distribution of the number of meriters per post:

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nMeriters      nPosts         % Posts
1              138431         77,89%
2              22780          12,82%
3              7589           4,27%
4              3361           1,89%
5              1767           0,99%
6              1121           0,63%
7              642            0,36%
8              423            0,24%
9              323            0,18%
10             234            0,13%
11             167            0,09%
12             147            0,08%
13             123            0,07%
14             93             0,05%
15             57             0,03%
16             67             0,04%
17             38             0,02%
18             36             0,02%
19             45             0,03%
20             28             0,02%
21             14             0,01%
22             26             0,01%
23             18             0,01%
24             11             0,01%
25             17             0,01%
26             12             0,01%
27             12             0,01%
28             17             0,01%
29             8              0,00%
30             8              0,00%
31             12             0,01%
32             6              0,00%
33             4              0,00%
34             8              0,00%
35             6              0,00%
36             3              0,00%
37             4              0,00%
38             6              0,00%
39             4              0,00%
40             2              0,00%
41             3              0,00%
42             4              0,00%
43             3              0,00%
44             2              0,00%
45             1              0,00%
46             3              0,00%
47             4              0,00%
48             1              0,00%
49             1              0,00%
50             1              0,00%
51             3              0,00%
52             1              0,00%
55             3              0,00%
56             1              0,00%
58             1              0,00%
59             1              0,00%
60             1              0,00%
63             1              0,00%
66             1              0,00%
69             1              0,00%
74             1              0,00%
82             1              0,00%
86             2              0,00%
88             1              0,00%
103            1              0,00%
106            1              0,00%
144            1              0,00%
158            1              0,00%
198            1              0,00%
328            1              0,00%
 

77,89% of the merited posts are done so by a single person, and 12,82% by 2 people. The record is 328 people meriting a single post. Guess which one.

[Daniel91]

I disagree with you, can find up-to 500+ good post on Bitcointalk forum.

Please post those 500+ unmerited good posts in Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source. You'll notice it's a lot of work!

Meanwhile, you haven't merited a single post yet. What's stopping you from doing your share in meriting good posts?

Well,  I think we all have different opinions and criterion about good and bad posts.
Generally,  more or less,  I think that all good posts in this forum receive merits and also I think we have enough merits available for this purpose.
If you really think that some post deserve merit give your merit or post to the post mentioned above.
Also,  there are a lot merit giveaway topics already.

[Negotiation]

It's not okay to abuse the qualifications in the forum because if you can post a good quality yourself that is positively enlightening to everyone then you will be able to achieve the talent you deserve. It is entirely up to you therefore to try the food yourself without looking at the food If anybody qualifies for merit without abusing the qualifications in the forum we will all give him the talent.

[hornbill]

Post are not suppose to be merit more than 2-5 depends on how helpful and relevant the post.

actually there supposed to be no rules for how much merit you give away, it is your spendable merit and you can use it however you like.

People make good post that deserves to be merited but once you come across  such post that normally you think it need to be merit but occasionally the post already has a good merit I think no need to add more to it

let me ask you this: when you go on reddit for example and see a post that has a bunch of upvotes, won't you upvote it just because it already has some upvote or will you do it despite that?
that the same with merit. when 10, 20 different users give merit to a post they are showing that they have found the post useful and the amount of merit they give it shows how much they think it was useful.

Couldn't agree with you more.

I joined and started reading stuffs on this forum simply because I thought it's a great place to start and learn something about my new job which relates to cryptocurrency.
Although I know it allows users to access to many other feature etc. Never see the point of chasing merits also cannot understand why on earth someone cares about how to give/take it in any particular way.

Thought it is just LIKEs as many other platforms. If the posts/replies are good then ppl tell them they like it as semi-reward, right? And a bad one or spam will be reported and taken off anyway.
 If I misinterpreted the point of this merits system, please do tell me tho.

[DdmrDdmr]

<…>

It’s different to a like really, although it can intersect at times. I have definitively merited posts I do not particularly agree with nor like (although it sure is easier if you do), but that have a good narrative, or seem to be or potentially be useful to the community on the whole.

A like is more of a personal Boolean factor, where as a merit is probably a more multifactor type element (i.e. effort and/or well versed/argued and/or informative and/or novel and/or mind racketing and/or etc.), and not always awarded because you “"like" the post itself.

Note: Likes are also rather banal; merits require in principal a bit more effort to be obtained.

[hornbill]

<…>

A like is more of a personal Boolean factor, where as a merit is probably a more multifactor type element (i.e. effort and/or well versed/argued and/or informative and/or novel and/or mind racketing and/or etc.), and not always awarded because you “"like" the post itself.

Note: Likes are also rather banal; merits require in principal a bit more effort to be obtained.

Good point.
Then I see why some may think certain posts do not worth more than 30+ merits.

Thanks a lot for the explanation.

[tranthidung]

Sorry for this big quote, but it is a visual display from boring data. I hope you like it.

I dropped 16 transactions with negative merits before getting statistics below.

• Total number of transactions : 274144
• 1-merit transactions: 190048 (69.3%)
• Sum merits of 1-merit transactions: 190048
• Sum merits of 2-to-5-merit transactions: 213021
• Sum of total merits: 540942
• Percent of 1-merit transactions (sum) per total merits: 35.1
• Percent of 2-to-5-merit transactions (sum) per total merits: 39.4

Bar charts & raw statistics:
Number of merit transactions over groups:

10 categories:

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      group |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
          1 |    190,048       69.32       69.32
      2 - 5 |     74,035       27.01       96.33
     6 - 10 |      7,122        2.60       98.93
    11 - 15 |        732        0.27       99.19
    16 - 20 |        871        0.32       99.51
    21 - 25 |        347        0.13       99.64
    26 - 30 |        226        0.08       99.72
    31 - 45 |        240        0.09       99.81
    46 - 50 |        523        0.19      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |    274,144      100.00

5 categories:

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        cat |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
          1 |    190,048       69.32       69.32
      2 - 5 |     74,035       27.01       96.33
     6 - 10 |      7,122        2.60       98.93
    11 - 45 |      2,416        0.88       99.81
    46 - 50 |        523        0.19      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |    274,144      100.00

Percent of sum merits over groups per total merits:

Over 10 groups:

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     +------------------------------------+
     |   group   amount   tmerit   pmerit |
     |------------------------------------|
  1. |       1   190048   540942     35.1 |
  2. |   2 - 5   213021   540942     39.4 |
  3. |  6 - 10    61434   540942     11.4 |
  4. | 11 - 15     9634   540942      1.8 |
  5. | 16 - 20    16868   540942      3.1 |
     |------------------------------------|
  6. | 21 - 25     8275   540942      1.5 |
  7. | 26 - 30     6539   540942      1.2 |
  8. | 31 - 45     9042   540942      1.7 |
  9. | 46 - 50    26081   540942      4.8 |
     +------------------------------------+

Over 5 groups:

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     +------------------------------------+
     |     cat   amount   tmerit   pmerit |
     |------------------------------------|
  1. |       1   190048   540942     35.1 |
  2. |   2 - 5   213021   540942     39.4 |
  3. |  6 - 10    61434   540942     11.4 |
  4. | 11 - 45    50358   540942      9.3 |
  5. | 46 - 50    26081   540942      4.8 |
     +------------------------------------+

[tranthidung]

Stats for total merits of topics and posts (since 24/1/2018 to 11/12/2018):

ABSTRACT

• There are 60612 merited topics and 177718 merited posts.
• For topics: there are 34148 and 22047 merits sent to topics #178336 (Wall Observer) and #5193860 (10th anniversary art contest), respectively.
• For posts: here are 1486 and 1435 merits sent to posts #5.msg28 (the OP of Welcome to the new Bitcoin forum) and #2818350.msg28856522 (the OP of Merit & new rank requirements), respectively.
• The medians (p50 in below tables) of received merits for topics and posts are 2 and 1, respectively.

Topics:

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    variable |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
-------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      amount |   60612.0       8.9     171.2       2.0       1.0       6.0       1.0   34148.0
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Top 50-merited topics:

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       +-------------------------+
       | rank   amount     topic |
       |-------------------------|
    1. |    1    34148    178336 |
    2. |    2    22047   5193860 |
    3. |    3     7646   1006631 |
    4. |    4     3397   2818350 |
    5. |    5     2711     26136 |
       |-------------------------|
    6. |    6     1616   2827596 |
    7. |    7     1516         5 |
    8. |    8     1468    313900 |
    9. |    9     1395   5105163 |
   10. |   10     1234   2818398 |
       |-------------------------|
   11. |   11     1171   2840438 |
   12. |   12     1122   5095156 |
   13. |   13      928   2823701 |
   14. |   14      915   4871955 |
   15. |   15      903   2683530 |
       |-------------------------|
   16. |   16      865   2360806 |
   17. |   17      839   1976285 |
   18. |   18      831   4415262 |
   19. |   19      796    753252 |
   20. |   20      727   1608859 |
       |-------------------------|
   21. |   21      724    750446 |
   22. |   22      718         0 |
   23. |   23      711   2820637 |
   24. |   24      690   1883902 |
   25. |   25      659    155054 |
       |-------------------------|
   26. |   26      652   1458034 |
   27. |   27      638   2818404 |
   28. |   28      632   4742257 |
   29. |   29      602    583449 |
   30. |   30      566   5053833 |
       |-------------------------|
   31. |   31      550    569449 |
   32. |   32      550   5157696 |
   33. |   33      549    570886 |
   34. |   34      544    375643 |
   35. |   35      535    628413 |
       |-------------------------|
   36. |   36      528    421615 |
   37. |   37      528   2040221 |
   38. |   38      507   2544574 |
   39. |   39      503   2897545 |
   40. |   40      493   5114042 |
       |-------------------------|
   41. |   41      468   3918625 |
   42. |   42      460    857670 |
   43. |   43      457   5149062 |
   44. |   44      446   2820262 |
   45. |   45      445   5030366 |
       |-------------------------|
   46. |   46      441    615953 |
   47. |   47      439   1840789 |
   48. |   48      431   5203697 |
   49. |   49      425   5023605 |
   50. |   50      425   1161170 |
       +-------------------------+

Posts:

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    variable |         N      mean        sd       p50       p25       p75       min       max
-------------+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      amount |  177718.0       3.0       9.0       1.0       1.0       3.0       1.0    1486.0
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Top 50-merited posts:

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        +-------------------------------------+
        | rank   amount        ntopic_initial |
        |-------------------------------------|
     1. |    1     1486               5.msg28 |
     2. |    2     1435   2818350.msg28856522 |
     3. |    3      717                0.msg0 |
     4. |    4      648     155054.msg1643833 |
     5. |    5      538     375643.msg4022997 |
        |-------------------------------------|
     6. |    6      395   5193860.msg52793373 |
     7. |    7      393   5193860.msg53059246 |
     8. |    8      377   2818398.msg28857585 |
     9. |    9      354   5203697.msg53150887 |
    10. |   10      346   5023605.msg45324722 |
        |-------------------------------------|
    11. |   11      327   2683530.msg27411367 |
    12. |   12      325   1545652.msg15536651 |
    13. |   13      323   1840789.msg18316056 |
    14. |   14      305           137.msg1141 |
    15. |   15      293   5114042.msg49909815 |
        |-------------------------------------|
    16. |   16      275   5193860.msg52800357 |
    17. |   17      270    990345.msg10775516 |
    18. |   18      252   5193860.msg53064307 |
    19. |   19      244   1608859.msg16156239 |
    20. |   20      244   2827596.msg28975211 |
        |-------------------------------------|
    21. |   21      243     615953.msg6815569 |
    22. |   22      232   5123724.msg50275206 |
    23. |   23      230   2895261.msg29766601 |
    24. |   24      229         2228.msg29479 |
    25. |   25      224   3232693.msg33646534 |
        |-------------------------------------|
    26. |   26      224   1161170.msg12233132 |
    27. |   27      214   5193860.msg53115743 |
    28. |   28      213   3315347.msg34617121 |
    29. |   29      209   3920469.msg37611040 |
    30. |   30      207   1883902.msg18714400 |
        |-------------------------------------|
    31. |   31      205   5193860.msg53137723 |
    32. |   32      200   5193860.msg53095690 |
    33. |   33      193   2022902.msg20155309 |
    34. |   34      186   5193860.msg52803489 |
    35. |   35      184           532.msg6306 |
        |-------------------------------------|
    36. |   36      180   2833350.msg29048068 |
    37. |   37      178    996318.msg10820715 |
    38. |   38      176   5194117.msg52803618 |
    39. |   39      175   5193860.msg52846255 |
    40. |   40      174   2820637.msg28883168 |
        |-------------------------------------|
    41. |   41      173   5030366.msg45810047 |
    42. |   42      170   4519248.msg40698575 |
    43. |   43      169   5124871.msg50326142 |
    44. |   44      167   2840438.msg29137142 |
    45. |   45      166   1976285.msg19673755 |
        |-------------------------------------|
    46. |   46      161     703657.msg7955645 |
    47. |   47      159   2159012.msg21610436 |
    48. |   48      159   2823221.msg28920985 |
    49. |   49      159   2825523.msg28944688 |
    50. |   50      156   5193860.msg53002575 |
        +-------------------------------------+

Categorisations of merited-topics/ merited-posts:

Topics:

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      group |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
      <= 10 |     51,609       85.15       85.15
    11 - 25 |      5,861        9.67       94.82
    26 - 50 |      1,893        3.12       97.94
   51 - 100 |        771        1.27       99.21
  101 - 200 |        324        0.53       99.75
  201 - 500 |        115        0.19       99.94
 501 - 1000 |         27        0.04       99.98
      1001+ |         12        0.02      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |     60,612      100.00

Posts:

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      group |      Freq.     Percent        Cum.
------------+-----------------------------------
          1 |     98,331       55.33       55.33
      2 - 5 |     61,816       34.78       90.11
     6 - 10 |     10,929        6.15       96.26
    11 - 25 |      4,737        2.67       98.93
    26 - 50 |      1,356        0.76       99.69
        51+ |        549        0.31      100.00
------------+-----------------------------------
      Total |    177,718      100.00