lefties in the west have not much to do with the hardship that comes w communism

[KingScorpio]

many so called leftists in the west have nothing to do with communism, as they act often and behave irrationally, they are getting abused by hostile foreign forces.

a communists knows about the difficulties life brings to maintain an economy and infrastructure and keep people that do that motivated, lefties in the west are just highly populistic.

as soon as a communist republic banking cartel gets announced created western lefties get massively punished, turn nazi, parasite or islamist, while the rightwinger that they have constantly fallen into their backs will get their revenge, and take the revenge by running the communist dream they dreamed about

communism is openminded but comes with massive flaws, economic sabotage and other difficulties.

[coins4commies]

I'd recommend for you (and tecshare, spendulus, etc) to look into design thinking.  Its beneficial in all walks of life but one of the basic principles of design thinking is that you adapt the design to incorporate previous failures.  Its important to the scientific and engineering process. Failure is part of the process of building something that works.  The same goes for governments and economic systems.  We don't design new systems without considering previous failures and adapting the plans to avoid those failures.  This is how problem solving works.  Its the only way we move forward as a species.  Quitting on an idea because of a previous failure gets your nowhere. 

I didn't fail. I just found 2,000 ways not to make a lightbulb; I only needed to find one way to make it work.

Thomas Edison

The greatest teacher, failure is. Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters.

Yoda

[TECSHARE]

I'd recommend for you (and tecshare, spendulus, etc) to look into design thinking.  Its beneficial in all walks of life but one of the basic principles of design thinking is that you adapt the design to incorporate previous failures.  Its important to the scientific and engineering process. Failure is part of the process of building something that works.  The same goes for governments and economic systems.  We don't design new systems without considering previous failures and adapting the plans to avoid those failures.  This is how problem solving works.  Its the only way we move forward as a species.  Quitting on an idea because of a previous failure gets your nowhere. 

I didn't fail. I just found 2,000 ways not to make a lightbulb; I only needed to find one way to make it work.

Thomas Edison

The greatest teacher, failure is. Luke, we are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters.

Yoda

If only we were talking about light bulbs and not the murder of millions of people every time your idea fails, maybe you would have a point. Also the the quoting of an alien midget with telekinetic powers shows how grounded in reality your ideas are.

[coins4commies]

Then why do you continue to support it? We have socialist highways and millions of people have died since the highway act of 1956. Why aren't you pushing for private highways?

Everytime public highways have been tried, its led to a lot of deaths but commies like you never get it.  If you were at all genuine, you'd boycott all socialism by staying off of all public roads.

[TECSHARE]

Then why do you continue to support it? We have socialist highways and millions of people have died since the highway act of 1956. Why aren't you pushing for private highways?

Everytime public highways have been tried, its led to a lot of deaths but commies like you never get it.  If you were at all genuine, you'd boycott all socialism by staying off of all public roads.

I am not even going to dignify your insane ramblings with a serious attempt at a response except to say you seem to define anything as a public benefit as socialism and anything that is a detriment to the public as "not socialism".

[coins4commies]

Thats the whole point.  You're finally starting to understand.  Most socialists have abandoned things that don't benefit the public and only adopt socialist principles that would benefit the public.  I don't think you will find any socialists who want to convert to communism overnight.

Its almost like we are pick and choosing only things that work best and trying to build a world out of those instead of extreme purities of one system or another.  Hence why the most successful societies in the world are more "mixed" economies where certain industries are collectivize, publicly owned, workers have a high degree of control, and other industries that work well are privately owned.  Its called nuance.   

Its only people like you who  think giving everyone healthcare is the same thing as giving the government authoritarian control over every aspect of our lives. 

[TECSHARE]

Thats the whole point.  You're finally starting to understand.  Most socialists have abandoned things that don't benefit the public and only adopt socialist principles that would benefit the public.  I don't think you will find any socialists who want to convert to communism overnight.

Its almost like we are pick and choosing only things that work best and trying to build a world out of those instead of extreme purities of one system or another.  Hence why the most successful societies in the world are more "mixed" economies where certain industries are collectivize, publicly owned, workers have a high degree of control, and other industries that work well are privately owned.  Its called nuance.   

Its only people like you who  think giving everyone healthcare is the same thing as giving the government authoritarian control over every aspect of our lives. 

No, it is more like you are picking and choosing the parts of reality you want to acknowledge and abandoning or denying the rest. After all, what would relativism be without it Captain Postmodern?

[Artemis3]

many so called leftists in the west have nothing to do with communism, as they act often and behave irrationally, they are getting abused by hostile foreign forces.

a communists knows about the difficulties life brings to maintain an economy and infrastructure and keep people that do that motivated, lefties in the west are just highly populistic.

as soon as a communist republic banking cartel gets announced created western lefties get massively punished, turn nazi, parasite or islamist, while the rightwinger that they have constantly fallen into their backs will get their revenge, and take the revenge by running the communist dream they dreamed about

communism is openminded but comes with massive flaws, economic sabotage and other difficulties.

Yes its always the imperialist foreign forces. Communists can never do wrong, ever. Its always the external enemy and sometimes the internal enemy. Their ideas cannot be wrong, because they are perfect, and the fault always lies elsewhere, its never theirs.

Quite open until someone tells them they did wrong, then clearly that someone needs re-education...

[Spendulus]

Then why do you continue to support it? We have socialist highways and millions of people have died since the highway act of 1956. Why aren't you pushing for private highways?

Everytime public highways have been tried, its led to a lot of deaths but commies like you never get it.  If you were at all genuine, you'd boycott all socialism by staying off of all public roads.

Ayn Rand defined highways and similar infrastructure as a legitimate part of government services in a limited capitalist society.

Realistically, though, today we do not need roads owned by governments, because micropayments can easily be handled by scanners and RFID technology, also cryptocurrency.

That's true for many other projects, but there would likely remain some that would have to be done by governments for the common good. However, who would decide which those were? If it was persons pursuing an outmoded, 19th century set of concepts such as yourself, the results would always be a total disaster.

[KingScorpio]

many so called leftists in the west have nothing to do with communism, as they act often and behave irrationally, they are getting abused by hostile foreign forces.

a communists knows about the difficulties life brings to maintain an economy and infrastructure and keep people that do that motivated, lefties in the west are just highly populistic.

as soon as a communist republic banking cartel gets announced created western lefties get massively punished, turn nazi, parasite or islamist, while the rightwinger that they have constantly fallen into their backs will get their revenge, and take the revenge by running the communist dream they dreamed about

communism is openminded but comes with massive flaws, economic sabotage and other difficulties.

Yes its always the imperialist foreign forces. Communists can never do wrong, ever. Its always the external enemy and sometimes the internal enemy. Their ideas cannot be wrong, because they are perfect, and the fault always lies elsewhere, its never theirs.

Quite open until someone tells them they did wrong, then clearly that someone needs re-education...

jes and among capitalists there is the rule, the more power the better so they constantly spam each other until they see no choice but violence

[TECSHARE]

Yes its always the imperialist foreign forces. Communists can never do wrong, ever. Its always the external enemy and sometimes the internal enemy. Their ideas cannot be wrong, because they are perfect, and the fault always lies elsewhere, its never theirs.

Quite open until someone tells them they did wrong, then clearly that someone needs re-education...

Communists are like a person trying to scuba dive with a garbage bag filled with air over their heads, then when the bag breaks they blame the ocean for flooding in.

[KingScorpio]

Yes its always the imperialist foreign forces. Communists can never do wrong, ever. Its always the external enemy and sometimes the internal enemy. Their ideas cannot be wrong, because they are perfect, and the fault always lies elsewhere, its never theirs.

Quite open until someone tells them they did wrong, then clearly that someone needs re-education...

Communists are like a person trying to scuba dive with a garbage bag filled with air over their heads, then when the bag breaks they blame the ocean for flooding in.

are you a traditionalistic british royalist?

[coins4commies]

Then why do you continue to support it? We have socialist highways and millions of people have died since the highway act of 1956. Why aren't you pushing for private highways?

Everytime public highways have been tried, its led to a lot of deaths but commies like you never get it.  If you were at all genuine, you'd boycott all socialism by staying off of all public roads.

Ayn Rand defined highways and similar infrastructure as a legitimate part of government services in a limited capitalist society.

Realistically, though, today we do not need roads owned by governments, because micropayments can easily be handled by scanners and RFID technology, also cryptocurrency.

That's true for many other projects, but there would likely remain some that would have to be done by governments for the common good. However, who would decide which those were? If it was persons pursuing an outmoded, 19th century set of concepts such as yourself, the results would always be a total disaster.

The concept I'm pursuing is the one we already have for roads.  I just want to carry it over to healthcare and education.   

[Spendulus]

Then why do you continue to support it? We have socialist highways and millions of people have died since the highway act of 1956. Why aren't you pushing for private highways?

Everytime public highways have been tried, its led to a lot of deaths but commies like you never get it.  If you were at all genuine, you'd boycott all socialism by staying off of all public roads.

Ayn Rand defined highways and similar infrastructure as a legitimate part of government services in a limited capitalist society.

Realistically, though, today we do not need roads owned by governments, because micropayments can easily be handled by scanners and RFID technology, also cryptocurrency.

That's true for many other projects, but there would likely remain some that would have to be done by governments for the common good. However, who would decide which those were? If it was persons pursuing an outmoded, 19th century set of concepts such as yourself, the results would always be a total disaster.

The concept I'm pursuing is the one we already have for roads.  I just want to carry it over to healthcare and education.   

Right, you would take an already outmoded, obselete concept, and expand it...

[coins4commies]

Where do you live where roads are obsolete? Sure the technology is available but it isn't being used for a reason.  It doesn't make sense to privatize something that everyone needs and everyone needs everyone else to have access to. 

[TECSHARE]

Where do you live where roads are obsolete? Sure the technology is available but it isn't being used for a reason.  It doesn't make sense to privatize something that everyone needs and everyone needs everyone else to have access to. 

He lives in Commy Land where everyone has flying cars, everyone gets free everything out of a magic hole in the sky, and collectivization doesn't inevitably lead to totalitarianism.

[Mometaskers]

For some reason this popped up in my Recommended and then I saw this thread. I just think it's a "sign" to share it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGWvOvBQlS0&t=

Doesn't matter who's "behind" how the transformation of the society or what their true intent is, what's important is the result and so far we haven't seen much success. And just in case any mention Denmark again, even they denied they are socialist.

[squatz1]

Communism has never worked, there's no way around that one. Communism causes mass killings. If there's a wikipedia on your model of government, there's a problem with your model - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

Flying Hellfish and I have spoken about this on multiple occasions -- Capitalism, while it does have its flaws, has been the best way (to date) to bring people out of poverty and to increase their income. It's the best system we've seen ever. Yet again, no way around that.

[KingScorpio]

Communism has never worked, there's no way around that one. Communism causes mass killings. If there's a wikipedia on your model of government, there's a problem with your model - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes

Flying Hellfish and I have spoken about this on multiple occasions -- Capitalism, while it does have its flaws, has been the best way (to date) to bring people out of poverty and to increase their income. It's the best system we've seen ever. Yet again, no way around that.

and why is china then considered such a threat today or the soviet union always was? do you work for the federal reserve central bank?

capitalism only works in the rich west and not anywhere else