BREAKING: Trump Officially Becomes 3rd U.S. President to be Impeached

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With what is going on, the only vote there that shows someone is really thinking and taking a decision objectively is the independent candidate who voted. Every other person that vote for or against or maybe abstain only voted along party lines and that is bad for democracy. The Democrats have called witnesses, documents were provided even people appointed by the President but some people instead of voting for sense voted on the party stand while the Republicans just went with a block vote to be on the opposing side. In essence, it further shows that politicians do not care about the country rather they are concerned about their own grasp of power and nothing else.

This analysis I think is wrong and here is why.

If one party (call it the aggressor) heads into the voting with a block vote the other is pretty much forced to respond in kind. You might say the possible game plays are dictated by the aggressor.

Thus your conclusion (bolded) cannot be true.

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The point is, everything has to be done according to law. If it isn't in the impeachment, it will backfire on the Dems.

Normally the impeachment paperwork needs to go to the Senate for final vote... or does it? The wording in the Constitution and law might be misunderstood. There might be a flaw in it. There might be a basic understanding that shows that impeachment DOESN'T have to go through the Senate.

There are basically two things the Dems are doing:
1. They are looking for a way to interpret the Constitution so as to keep the Senate out of the vote, and yet make it a legal vote. Why? Because they know that impeachment will fail it the Senate is allowed to vote.
2. They are using whatever time they "buy" themselves, to sway public opinion against Trump via the media. If they don't win in the 2020 election (which they won't), they want to assure themselves that they will win in 2024. Trump, and the Trump style, is the greatest opposition they have run up against in their fight to make the Deep State dictator of the USA.

Notice Pelosi's words in the below article. The Dems are after winning no matter if it is legal or moral or lawful or righteous. And who is going to arrest the Dems if they do something bad? The president would make himself look guilty if he tried. Taking the Dems and their Deep State down is going to have to come from the outside... from the people. There is a way... even besides recall.


Trump Not Officially Impeached So Far?

Will or won't House Speaker Pelosi select Dem impeachment managers (prosecutors) and transmit articles of impeachment against Trump to the Senate for trial?

Knowing the GOP controlled body will reject House charges against Trump and acquit him, will Pelosi and relevant House committee chairmen decide against a Senate trial?

Impeaching Trump by House Dems was and remains all about wanting him weakened and delegitimized ahead of November 2020 elections, not removing him from office — what majority Senate Republicans reject.

Ahead of Wednesday's impeachment vote, Pelosi said the following:

"(I)f we impeach the president immediately, everybody moves on to the next thing." 

"The next thing for us will be when we see the process that is set forth in the Senate."

"Then we'll know the number of managers that we may have to go forward, and who we would choose."

"When we see what they have, we'll know who and how many we will send over. That's all I'm going to say about that now."

"(W)e would like to see a fair process (sic), but we'll see what they have, and we'll be ready for whatever it is."

Note that Trump's team are looking for the same things that the Dems are looking for. The dangerous point is, if any of them find a way to get around the Constitution, it would mean that the whole country would be destroyed. Why? If the Constitution can be found to be flawed in an area, it can be taken down, and we would have failure across the whole nation.

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