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December 25, 2019, 02:05:33 PM
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To get a reasonable outcome from protecting against government decision the people leading the agitation should be firm in their decision to lead for good and not to be bought over by the same government they are protesting against. It the reason for the protest is strong enough to encourage more people in that country to support the movement then at the end you guys will achieve your aims even if government should pay some people in their support you guys will win at the end. But once your reason is not genuine enough to attract good numbers of followers then you guys may not likely get good result at the end.
In India more than 90% of people are not happy with the changes made based on religious things and millions of people were protesting at every corner but still government yet to open their mouth related to this,next stage will become violence is that what government wants?

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December 25, 2019, 04:01:01 PM
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In India more than 90% of people are not happy with the changes made based on religious things and millions of people were protesting at every corner but still government yet to open their mouth related to this,next stage will become violence is that what government wants?

There are a little number of individuals who mention religion On the opposite hand most of people respect people of the other religion. a number of us are those who work together to assist people regardless of the problem however much of what's happening has become very bad and lots of people are harmed.

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December 25, 2019, 04:21:55 PM
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In India more than 90% of people are not happy with the changes made based on religious things and millions of people were protesting at every corner but still government yet to open their mouth related to this,next stage will become violence is that what government wants?

There are a little number of individuals who mention religion On the opposite hand most of people respect people of the other religion. a number of us are those who work together to assist people regardless of the problem however much of what's happening has become very bad and lots of people are harmed.
But those few people were in ruling power so most people can't do anything against them?

Lets go back to dictatorship then.

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December 25, 2019, 08:54:50 PM
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To get a reasonable outcome from protecting against government decision the people leading the agitation should be firm in their decision to lead for good and not to be bought over by the same government they are protesting against. It the reason for the protest is strong enough to encourage more people in that country to support the movement then at the end you guys will achieve your aims even if government should pay some people in their support you guys will win at the end. But once your reason is not genuine enough to attract good numbers of followers then you guys may not likely get good result at the end.
In India more than 90% of people are not happy with the changes made based on religious things and millions of people were protesting at every corner but still government yet to open their mouth related to this,next stage will become violence is that what government wants?
Government really need to be put on a serious pressure by way of the Economics activities stand still only then they will have a rethink about the bad decision they have made that led to mass protest. But if the protesters withdraw from their agitation just because of little pressure with the use of Police by the government then the government will have their way. You guys should stand your ground until the government call for negotiation.
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December 26, 2019, 05:03:37 AM
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To get a reasonable outcome from protecting against government decision the people leading the agitation should be firm in their decision to lead for good and not to be bought over by the same government they are protesting against. It the reason for the protest is strong enough to encourage more people in that country to support the movement then at the end you guys will achieve your aims even if government should pay some people in their support you guys will win at the end. But once your reason is not genuine enough to attract good numbers of followers then you guys may not likely get good result at the end.
In India more than 90% of people are not happy with the changes made based on religious things and millions of people were protesting at every corner but still government yet to open their mouth related to this,next stage will become violence is that what government wants?
Government really need to be put on a serious pressure by way of the Economics activities stand still only then they will have a rethink about the bad decision they have made that led to mass protest. But if the protesters withdraw from their agitation just because of little pressure with the use of Police by the government then the government will have their way. You guys should stand your ground until the government call for negotiation.
So you are saying its okay to lose few hundred or thousands of lives to the riots from police which was pressured by government just to speak out the truth and good for the community?

That is why I said its better to go back the dictatorship rule than calling as democratic country.

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December 26, 2019, 02:43:31 PM
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In India more than 90% of people are not happy with the changes made based on religious things and millions of people were protesting at every corner but still government yet to open their mouth related to this,next stage will become violence is that what government wants?

There are a little number of individuals who mention religion On the opposite hand most of people respect people of the other religion. a number of us are those who work together to assist people regardless of the problem however much of what's happening has become very bad and lots of people are harmed.
But those few people were in ruling power so most people can't do anything against them?

Lets go back to dictatorship then.
The government is really powerful and even protestant would be useless. In fact because of protest it always cause harm to the people who are fighting their side because of police who depends the government. That was the sad reality in one society.

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December 26, 2019, 03:26:50 PM
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In India more than 90% of people are not happy with the changes made based on religious things and millions of people were protesting at every corner but still government yet to open their mouth related to this,next stage will become violence is that what government wants?

There are a little number of individuals who mention religion On the opposite hand most of people respect people of the other religion. a number of us are those who work together to assist people regardless of the problem however much of what's happening has become very bad and lots of people are harmed.
But those few people were in ruling power so most people can't do anything against them?

Lets go back to dictatorship then.
The government is really powerful and even protestant would be useless. In fact because of protest it always cause harm to the people who are fighting their side because of police who depends the government. That was the sad reality in one society.

In a real democracy, there's no use of protest for building or resisting laws and rules as the desire of public can be expressed through votes. But in a dictatorship, protest could be the only way to make a change.
At present context, almost all of the so called public protest are influenced by international catalyst than self arising within the population.



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December 27, 2019, 10:15:23 AM
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In a real democracy, there's no use of protest for building or resisting laws and rules as the desire of public can be expressed through votes. But in a dictatorship, protest could be the only way to make a change.
At present context, almost all of the so called public protest are influenced by international catalyst than self arising within the population.
Most of the politicians forget their promises once they reached powers so they will become more powerful than dictators?

Courts also favours governments even if whole society is against their decision.

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December 27, 2019, 02:22:22 PM
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I also think that if you choose the way to protest in the current era it will not be heard by the government. actually not only in India, even in my country. victims fell but did not reach consensus and solutions. it's better to meet face to face with both parties and make fair decisions.

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December 28, 2019, 08:47:01 AM
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Well it's not the same for all governments. Some are democratic governments are pretty tolerant towards protesters and sincerely listen to their plights. Some, like in hong kong, end up pretty violently. The side of the protesters also don't prove to have the right solutions. They fight for what they think is right on a certain issue though that can end up having worse results.

 
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December 28, 2019, 11:21:25 AM
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Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.
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December 28, 2019, 12:16:54 PM
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If you are in India you may aware of how serious the protests are getting all over the India against CAB,but until now Modi Ji government said nothing all they tried to do is to supress the protest by using police attacks on silent protests,banning internet on the major cities unofficially and protests from their party members with paid protestants who supports CAB.

So protest doesn't giving the solution then what is should be?

@akram143 I’m not from India but in my country there’re many Indians and these protests are a hot topic out here, but in my opinion these protests are not effective because there’s no positive response yet from the Indian government. The only option you’ll can exercise is to file suits in Court and pray that the judge will rule in your favour, but if the judge rules in governments favour then you’ll can do nothing about it.

Modi government did this in Kashmir also (a Muslim majority disputed region). Now CAB/CAA is targeting muslims in India and they are the one who are majority of protesters. Even Indian supreme court is fully supporting every act of Modi government and no decision has been given againest Modi government that's one more reason y ppl not going to courts

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December 28, 2019, 06:42:57 PM
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If you are in India you may aware of how serious the protests are getting all over the India against CAB,but until now Modi Ji government said nothing all they tried to do is to supress the protest by using police attacks on silent protests,banning internet on the major cities unofficially and protests from their party members with paid protestants who supports CAB.

So protest doesn't giving the solution then what is should be?

Protest done in right way with shared objectives can give right solution or atleast make authorities take actions. Having personal motives , lack of information and violence can never lead to peace and consensus. Everyone does have the right to vocal their veiws , but violence should be dealt strictly and culprits must be punished 
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December 29, 2019, 05:59:44 AM
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Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.

Being in majority doesn't mean that you stop caring for a minority group who are protesting for there rights. Government is like owner of house who has to take care of everyone right at home. Indian government must address these issue so they remain stable in years to come.


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December 29, 2019, 07:41:01 AM
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Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.
That is exactly what is happening at the moment,and also they want all the people from India to prove their citizenship by bringing up recorded documents on your own before 50 years.DO you consider this has anything good to the community?

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December 29, 2019, 02:28:19 PM
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Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.
That is exactly what is happening at the moment,and also they want all the people from India to prove their citizenship by bringing up recorded documents on your own before 50 years.DO you consider this has anything good to the community?

I have a few Indian friends living in my surroundings. They are also very upset because of the growing protest in their country regarding this bill. What is interesting about this bill is that Hindus along with other communities will get nationality anyway even if they fail to prove there ID but this doesn't hold true for Muslims. So Muslims are the ones that are going to lose there nationality.
CAA, NRC 'may affect status' of Muslims in India: US Congressional report


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December 29, 2019, 03:48:14 PM
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They'd care... if there's enough outrage. This assumes of course that the government can't just silence dissidents. Obviously protests don't work in dictatorships, they've secured power without needing the people.

I'm not sure about India. It is a democracy (afaik) but I don't know how powerful are the institutions that secures its democracy is.

I have a few Indian friends living in my surroundings. They are also very upset because of the growing protest in their country regarding this bill. What is interesting about this bill is that Hindus along with other communities will get nationality anyway even if they fail to prove there ID but this doesn't hold true for Muslims. So Muslims are the ones that are going to lose there nationality.
CAA, NRC 'may affect status' of Muslims in India: US Congressional report


I think there are still groups that dislike that there were Muslims left in India after the partitioning. How does Pakistan treat its Hindus BTW? Since I don't hear much from them I'm assuming they were either fine or they got wiped off Pakistan, either fled across the border or died.
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December 31, 2019, 02:00:04 AM
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Depends on the government you're protesting against.
The Indian government is completely stable and have total majority to pass any law so I don't think protests would do any good.
That is exactly what is happening at the moment,and also they want all the people from India to prove their citizenship by bringing up recorded documents on your own before 50 years.DO you consider this has anything good to the community?

I have a few Indian friends living in my surroundings. They are also very upset because of the growing protest in their country regarding this bill. What is interesting about this bill is that Hindus along with other communities will get nationality anyway even if they fail to prove there ID but this doesn't hold true for Muslims. So Muslims are the ones that are going to lose there nationality.
CAA, NRC 'may affect status' of Muslims in India: US Congressional report

If they are going to enforce the rule in India then they are inducing civil war in their country but AFAIK the bill related to proving nationality is not going to be implemented in real soon so the only issue will be CAB.

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December 31, 2019, 04:32:32 PM
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I think there are still groups that dislike that there were Muslims left in India after the partitioning. How does Pakistan treat its Hindus BTW? Since I don't hear much from them I'm assuming they were either fine or they got wiped off Pakistan, either fled across the border or died.

Let human live in peace no matter where they live and what religion they follow. I am sure Indian government will find a solution to this problem which is disturbing minorities in there country. Life is short, another year passed. Can this forum members do anything to bring peace in countries where its required?

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January 01, 2020, 02:12:51 PM
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I think there are still groups that dislike that there were Muslims left in India after the partitioning. How does Pakistan treat its Hindus BTW? Since I don't hear much from them I'm assuming they were either fine or they got wiped off Pakistan, either fled across the border or died.

Let human live in peace no matter where they live and what religion they follow. I am sure Indian government will find a solution to this problem which is disturbing minorities in there country. Life is short, another year passed. Can this forum members do anything to bring peace in countries where its required?
Pakistan government discriminating the hindus but it doesn't means India should do the same thing to Muslims,Indian muslims has no relation with Pakistan so punishing their own citizen is the stupidity at its worst.If you want help hindus of Pak then make a war and bring peace in their country don/t be an idiot modi ji.

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