Herbert_kopf user tried to scam me

[LonelyBitcoiner]

He basically saw that I am a newbie in bitcoin trading and wanted to scam me. I wanted to trade 200$ paypal for bitcoin and he told me to write him in telegram. I joined telegram as I have never used it before and we agreed to use escrow service provided from user    OgNasty. Then Herbert_kopf added "OgNasty" to telegram which was a fake user. I knew he is trying to scam me but I continued just to prove it.

He tried to trick me that he is going to send btc to the escrower but he posted different btc address than the one of the escrower. Then I confronted him and he edited the post with the bitcoin address. I am posting pictures here.


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https://ibb.co/SJR1wL9

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[shasan]

As you are a newbie image tag might not work. So I am using an image tag for you.

I think op is right. I have done to deal with the accused person, so when I sent pm to that person on telegram that an open scam accusation against him. The person blocked me. Proof:


@Op please post more information. Eg: from where you got initial contact info, the profile link of the scammer and also you may create a flag.

[LonelyBitcoiner]

This is the account of the user. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2730270
I posted this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5211575.msg53408190
and then he contacted me on pm here. As in the first image which I provided.
As you said now he deleted his fake telegram accounts.
I don't know what is to create a flag.

You can dowloand telegram chat logs from this file
https://filebin.net/tuwwya0ykfbf32xb/Telegram_Desktop.rar?t=ms1hhk9j


If you need anything else, don't hesitate to ask me. I just don't want someone to get scammed.


EDIT: Created a flag.

[DireWolfM14]

@LonelyBitcoiner,
Good catch.  I was contacted by another new member yesterday who was being targeted by the same Telegram user.  
The scammer was claiming to be me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209170.msg53412496#msg53412496
Here's another attempt from a month ago, probably the same person: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203819.msg53157095#msg53157095

[LonelyBitcoiner]

@LonelyBitcoiner,
Good catch.  I was contacted by another new member yesterday who was being targeted by the same Telegram user.  
The scammer was claiming to be me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209170.msg53412496#msg53412496
Here's another attempt from a month ago, probably the same person: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203819.msg53157095#msg53157095

I am a little disappointed how this forum does not ban people like him. The only thing he receives is bad trust rating.

[DireWolfM14]

I am a little disappointed how this forum does not ban people like him. The only thing he receives is bad trust rating.

It's not practical for the forum administrators and moderators to pursue scams.  There are too many gray areas, evidence is often difficult to verify, and the process is time-consuming.  There's also the fear that staff might suffer a conflict of interest if they are expected to moderate scams.  The best solution is the leave it to the community.

[Theb]

@OP you did good for a newbie on seeing through the lies and founding out the truth, I barely see a newbie who will escape such deceit where an impersonation of a trusted member is used. Remember that if any member tries to talk to you in TG or in any other messaging service you must get the hint that something dirty will go on especially if it is a newbie trying to transact to you.

I am a little disappointed how this forum does not ban people like him. The only thing he receives is bad trust rating.

It's not practical for the forum administrators and moderators to pursue scams.  There are too many gray areas, evidence is often difficult to verify, and the process is time-consuming.  There's also the fear that staff might suffer a conflict of interest if they are expected to moderate scams.  The best solution is the leave it to the community.

Practicality is not the issue here on why scams are not moderated here in the forum. Basically it's part of forum's way of practicing free speech just like how our trust system is unmoderated as well and they leave the DT members to decide on matters such as this where a member tries to scam another member. Basically what this do is make the admins and mods as neutral as possible here in the forum and let most cases like this be settled by themselves or with the intervention of DT Members.

[morvillz7z]

What's also interesting here is that he bought copper membership for his account, not so many newbies/scammers would do that.

Completed two separate deals with shasan and gameristo, one of the deals worth over $ 2k. which was basically an attempt to gain some positive trust before pulling out his scams.

Looking at his posts he was trying to buy mining equipment, altcoins, physical coins, crypto via WMZ/PM/SEPA/SKRILL, god knows what else.

This definitely looks like a well-planned thing.

[DireWolfM14]

This definitely looks like a well-planned thing.

Whether it's been planned out or developed over time, the guy isn't going anywhere just because his 11-day old copper account just got red-tagged and flagged.  Keep a look-out for another newbie making some legit deals with established members to farm some trust, and odds are you'll have your next Telegram scammer.

[LonelyBitcoiner]

@OP you did good for a newbie on seeing through the lies and founding out the truth, I barely see a newbie who will escape such deceit where an impersonation of a trusted member is used. Remember that if any member tries to talk to you in TG or in any other messaging service you must get the hint that something dirty will go on especially if it is a newbie trying to transact to you.

I am a little disappointed how this forum does not ban people like him. The only thing he receives is bad trust rating.

It's not practical for the forum administrators and moderators to pursue scams.  There are too many gray areas, evidence is often difficult to verify, and the process is time-consuming.  There's also the fear that staff might suffer a conflict of interest if they are expected to moderate scams.  The best solution is the leave it to the community.

Practicality is not the issue here on why scams are not moderated here in the forum. Basically it's part of forum's way of practicing free speech just like how our trust system is unmoderated as well and they leave the DT members to decide on matters such as this where a member tries to scam another member. Basically what this do is make the admins and mods as neutral as possible here in the forum and let most cases like this be settled by themselves or with the intervention of DT Members.

I am a newbie in bitcointalk but I own a forum myself(for betting) and I am not new to internet payments. I saw in the escrow thread that the user who does the escrow asks for payments only to 1 bitcoin address and if it's another - then its an impostor. I think this user was trying actually to fish me for more than 200$, he may have even went for this trade green and then scam me for bigger transfer.

As for the first 2 trades of this user, from what I understand he sent first because they were trusted users.
Thank you for the advices!